asciilifeform: imagine if we knew precisely when each man would die. would we give up on the concept of life insurance? or would it turn into a ludicrous farce.
mircea_popescu: but THAT is the abuse.
mircea_popescu: that way insurers won';t be able to tell the difference in flood insurance between kansas and louisiana
asciilifeform: well, they'll walk into a casino, but not a 'leave yer money here house' typically.
mircea_popescu: you are objectively more expensive to insure. reflecting this in the cost of insurance is a subversion ?
mircea_popescu: so what's the problem with that ?
mircea_popescu: the person has no indemnity against "being affected"
bounce: the fact that your insurer knows you've been ill lately gives them the power to raise their rates on you
mircea_popescu: in short : everything worth talking about "affects the person"
mircea_popescu: bounce how far does this extend ? the fact that i know you're fair haired gives me the power to say "blondie"
bounce: why yes, disease affects the person; information about the disease can do the same thing again, and again, and again. so throwing it out for all to see isn't something doctors typically did, and when it inadvertedly happens, it's a big scandal. so the government elevating "sharing" medical details to the new standard just because they went all digital is a bit of a deviation from custom.
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's like 1/4 ton with all the lead required etc.
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Adlai: can't they just fly coach like a normal person
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a possible explanation : flying the whole thing relieves the family of the cost to fly a corpse (20-30k or so)
mircea_popescu: bounce so is the argument that disease is personal ?
asciilifeform: 'The corpse of a British man who died in Macedonia is being flown to Frankfurt for Ebola testing.' << for testing, small vial of corpse juice ought to suffice, no? what's the purpose of shipping the entire carcass...?
bounce: sensitive personal details thrown out in public? surely there can be no argument against that.
assbot: GP records soon wide open again: Just walk into a safe haven The Register
bounce: want medical records? soonish you can just buy uk medical records of anyone who didn't think to "opt out": http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/10/17/gp_records_soon_wide_open_gp_open_data_really_is_open_just_walk_into_a_safe_haven/
assbot: Tommy Lee - The Roast of Pamela Anderson - YouTube
jurov: use google translator then
BingoBoingo: OMG Theo De Reaadt caught being diplomatic! http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20141012180624&mode=expanded
undata: that means they're secret
mircea_popescu: that's how the function names end up being _____BgFkShit___1()
undata: masters write the function headers, slaves implement
Adlai: "this function is left as an exercise to the sucker"
assbot: Ethereum ASIC-resistant PoW spec - Google Docs
assbot: Slavery : the best thing for you. No, seriously. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/slavery-the-best-thing-for-you-no-seriously/ << sauce for the dorian pic
assbot: Europes Hidden Ebola Cases - The Daily Beast
assbot: /coinbase does charles "coblee" lee's autism make him difficult to work with at the office?
ThickAsThieves: lol i got 1 rt for the dorian pic already
ThickAsThieves: there goes my cred of getting retweets from my serious blog article earlier!
mthreat: if it's referring to the sarah silverman skit
undata: mircea_popescu: prized import destroyed by angry colonists not wanting the "over there" making decisions "over here" without their involvement
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: i haz a post i wanna give them dibs on <<< if you've posted it to your own site, i don't see much point in qntra mirroring it
mthreat: i wish they did that here
mthreat: as he drives him to the police station
bounce throws a chair into the discussion
mircea_popescu: well whatever you think, you're not thinking as person, therefore not a sovereign, therefore nevermind.
mircea_popescu: undata for my curiosity, be a darling and narrate the boston tea party ?
undata: ThickAsThieves: the above was more like "when a new continent is found, the new inhabitants sometimes try things a bit differently in regards to government"
mircea_popescu: bounce no, my point is, the likes of popescu. mircea popescu. the likes of redmon ? redmond who ?
bounce: the wired news rehash yesterday about no-ip.com
bounce: the likes of redmond could do that, plenty cash. instead they're abusing the legal system with ex partes
mircea_popescu: the second... meh.
mircea_popescu: jurov not a bad idea at all, the first part.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except the "czar" is a nobody.
jurov has an idea to "fix the computers".. just put together a fund to become highest bidder for botnets
mircea_popescu: which is why i said earlier, why;d the gunpile be integral.
bounce was just thinking, a real crisis tends to bring out the real leadership (if available). then so there's people like the skull+bones fraternity that believe the people are happiest when there's something to fight for, so they promote perpetual war(s on stuff) (and gotten the likes of dubya on the throne). and, well, the people're getting sick of it because weak leadership.
mircea_popescu: also a project. there's no shortage of projects, it's not like you can either pick "go to moon" or nothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this entire "fix the computers" thing is just a random example.
mircea_popescu: they'd come up with something a little better than derpobama.
mircea_popescu: and if there were some guys on a pile of weapons somewhere, who then could vet anything,
mircea_popescu: because well... it's a colony. it depends on its mother.
mircea_popescu: the most loyal subjects of each european crown were the respective colonies. for fucking centuries.
ThickAsThieves: pretty much amounts to, if i could be a god on another planet, everything would be my way
mircea_popescu: how the shit is this supposed to work ? if you don't have the ability to control anything, how are you going to own the industrial processes makin space flight possible ?
mircea_popescu: the proposition that space flight creates somehow independence.
undata: mircea_popescu: the leaders (obama) you're decrying are vetted by the guys on the pile of weapons
undata: spaceflight gives you the option of "stupidly far away"
undata: that's what I was poorly articulating yesterday, thinking it unlikely that one could either hide from or commandeer the vast pile of weapons and thugs manning them
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i dun see that many commercials.
asciilifeform: (via the usual mechanism, no coup etc)
thestringpuller: i.e. you send someone money via email or something with their app
mircea_popescu: there is no situation fubar enough as to render leadership powerless.
mircea_popescu: dude, who asked kennedy if he inherited the best throne he could have ?
asciilifeform: predecessors who pissed away the throne's authority also did not help.
mircea_popescu: well that's the extend of the discussion. what's stopping mr "nobel prize" from being it ?
mircea_popescu: all the music that didn't fit notation, developed at huge cost of time during times of frequent famine ... gone
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and that not a single line of code ever written, from babbage to today, can be used as is - or even with mild combing. <<< all the skills needed to drive carriages, honed at the significant expense of sweat and often blood by the original wells fargo corporation
mircea_popescu: <bounce> which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there <<< also don't neglect the ever essential part that someone somewhere may call you a cult leader!
bounce: it's a bit morisette on the scale of irony though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude. her fuhrer had people do a) rocketry. b) airplanes powered by hydrazine ; c) rommel in africa looking for the holy grail
asciilifeform: it's not like convincing folks to drink 'cyanide koolaid' - it's like convincing them to drink sulfuric acid. (who? management specifically. of any nation.)
mircea_popescu: from the chinese first of all.
bounce: which requires having something to say, an idea of where we are and where we should be going, organise how we're going to get there
mircea_popescu: if the obola was out there, "by the end of this decade we will have actually functional computers, this shit is ridiculous"
mircea_popescu: it'd definitely fix the us problem, which is a purely credibility problem.
bounce: you're talking about the "have a vision" part
mircea_popescu: to say "by the end of the decade - man on moon" is substantially different from "hey, we're spending some moneys on some things"
mircea_popescu: if you ask the us, it does "plenty of investment" today too.
mircea_popescu: not my point, the investmentr
asciilifeform: plenty of tech investment there, though
mircea_popescu: ww1, the war notoriously named by gallup poll ?
asciilifeform: ok we're on the same page. so we know how it ends.
asciilifeform: picture if, instead of zhukov, there was this kid who knew how to build death ray.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary. the way it worked was that the germans attacked, stalin commited, and a zhukov emerged.
asciilifeform: not surprised if nobody agrees - i think i've yet to meet anyone who does (other, than, possibly, chuck moore, and i haven't asked him in person - only read him)
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the war didn't work like, one day there was a zhukov, and he went hey, what if we had the germans attack us, so they i could be really cool ?
mircea_popescu: the job of having been zhukov does decompose.
mircea_popescu: but we're not discussing the job of being zhukov
mircea_popescu: so... everything except the problem at hand ?
mircea_popescu: let's try the great patriotic war, maybe that's a better knob. so... is that also a "doesn't decompose" sort of task ?
asciilifeform: number of hours in the clock?
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you just forget about it, hit the bottle, and then write a proper fucking thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, suppose your job for the next ten years, and you know this, now, is to read 29 different turds and report.
asciilifeform: how i know? my estimation, three people who can crap out the answer. one's a schizophrenic, far gone, other's me, who works 3 jobs, and the third is probably too old already.
mircea_popescu: the only reason it even exists atm is because nobody's forcing anyone to read it.
mircea_popescu: no it won't. how long do you think people can spend reading shitty c/c++ tcp/ip implementations before they give up their idiocy like the plague ?
asciilifeform: does it need to be gift-wrapped for the taking?
asciilifeform: and it might be important to ask, what qualifies as 'having' the better solution
mircea_popescu: you don't understand the network effects. once the entire fucking country is engrossed in throwing chattel around,
asciilifeform: one does not take flight by ordering every horse, ox, pig in the empire, assessed for suitability for flight
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes.
thestringpuller: is the dns repropagating or something?
asciilifeform: well, aside from wizards, you fly by understanding that you need a vehicle other than oxcarts
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? anecdotic agreement by wizard x with wizard y is not how you fly to the moon.
asciilifeform: and the ashes buried in chernoble.
asciilifeform: fly to the moon by stacking chairs, yes.
mircea_popescu: "i want a complete report on every tcp/ip implementation out there. by hand. line by line comparison of all versions ever made"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o yes it does. let's take the smallest part of it.
mircea_popescu: that is the royal superbity.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's why the entire "press" derped and ocasionally still derps about kennedy = us royalty. becauise that guy was the last us president to go "fuck you, do something useful with your time"
mircea_popescu: my words! they has been taken out of context! and given unforeseen boners!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, know the moon painting joke ?
bounce: some bezzle, gather together the people that can do the block-building, ship'em off to shenzen, open-source the results
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that dude. when they wanted to send a guy to the moon they didn't give gm "the contract"
asciilifeform: and we know the rest.
mircea_popescu: try that, see who hates you then. but no, they';ve tried "everything" : banged head on wall, sat on hot stove, kicked shin against all corners.... nothing in this house works
mircea_popescu: mysteriously, "everything" they do never includes a "we wil spend one trillion dollars to fix our software-hardware. all of it."
asciilifeform: bounce, mircea_popescu: not a money problem. the 'fix' is not available off the shelf.
mircea_popescu: what is this, the 80s and fucking reagan ?
mircea_popescu: bounce last i heard, the usg was throwing money into the street because "gotta spend"
bounce: fixing that is going to be expensive though. means rebuilding lots of stuff from the ground up. n'mind that the current tide is that of "oh we'll fix it in software nohow"
mircea_popescu: quite the contrary, such a programming paradigm is immoral.
ThickAsThieves: if you can auth into the wallety you can auto log into wherever using the bitcoin web browser
mircea_popescu: there's no advantage to trying to hide hardware deffects in software
ThickAsThieves: like adding password keychain to the bitcoin wallet app
asciilifeform: the last is, but in visual basic
ThickAsThieves: in the current sense, yes, but if decentralized wouldnt it be a way to purposefully maintain a continuity in your online identity?
mircea_popescu: sure, it saves you from interacting with various people. which, you know, if that's the goal why are you commenting.
ThickAsThieves: the advantage is keychaining a lifestyle that uses 10 3rd parties as is
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what's the advantage of "go everywhere with an identity provided by a 3rd party"
ThickAsThieves: disqus is good enough therein
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ThickAsThieves: the concept of a spec'd way to comment on websites with one account?
mircea_popescu: i'd rathe eat dirt.
mircea_popescu: i could see if it centralized in my own hands. but centralizing it in the hands of the enemies of everything that's nice and good in this world, the ycombinator crowd ?
ThickAsThieves: ok but i meant to highlught the concept of having a crypto version tho
mircea_popescu: devthedev centralization in wrong hands.
bounce: $site will just 403 anyone coming in on tor because the spamblocking system on the commenting system doesn't take half measures
mircea_popescu: yes, but they have to do it individually.
ThickAsThieves: it's the point you made
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not the point.
ThickAsThieves: i have no power over whether i cna comment on a website regardless
mircea_popescu: bounce no, better yet. "the MTA has turned off comments on blogs because reasons"
mircea_popescu: "centralize all the things" ?
mircea_popescu: same thing that's wrong with cloudflare, and with all the rest of the crap ruining the web
ThickAsThieves: i kinda like the disqus concept tbh, i wish there was a bitcoin/namecoin/wot version
mircea_popescu: devthedev "give us your comments! for free! " ?
devthedev: mircea_popescu: I agree that the Gravity ad platform is retarded but what's wrong with Disqus?
bounce: huh. so, to combat fraud they're going to heap even more sensitive personal information in some database or other
asciilifeform: from the loltron: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/17/obama-credit-card-declined-nyc_n_6004754.html
mircea_popescu: good idea to read the thing it comes from tho.,
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no that's pretty much it.
Adlai: sometimes fixing merge conflicts can be therapeutic
TheNewDeal: this an accurate translation, or is it butchered by AI - Wittgenstein , " Whereof one can not speak, thereof one must be silent
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 956.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.79 TH/s
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: <ben_vulpes> http://lino-framework.org/index.html < yes i had the unpleasure to work with ExtJS and Sencha Touch
mircea_popescu: devthedev im not voicing you, because last time i did you linkbombed and i dun see the benefit.
mircea_popescu: then watch the adjustments, retractions and "taking of full responsibilities" come pouring in.
Adlai was actually pleased about the SEC investigating pirate's scam
mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
Adlai: are the SEC targeting Moolah for being scammy shysters, or just for running an unregistered business?
mircea_popescu: the guy was arrested, it was all over.
Adlai: i hope it's more successful than the "year of multisig"
mircea_popescu: and so it goes, 2015 will be the year of that set of lolz.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is all mp butthurt, next the twobit idiot is going to want to claim "o noes, teh sec is talking to me in my sleeps!!1"
mircea_popescu: the sec can try all sorts of things, but why would it talk to some derpy nobody snipping at the edges is unclear.
ben_vulpes: oh guys guys i found the worst thing ever
ThickAsThieves: can the SEC even tell someone not to share info?
ThickAsThieves: are there even 7 businesses offering securities?
Adlai: had lunch with him a few weeks ago, he's very curious about all this decentralized stuff, in the best kind of curiosity
ThickAsThieves: so are they waiting for late tax filings to go after people?
mircea_popescu: "Coin Fire was first made aware of this investigation on October 14th but officials with the SEC and the Department of Justice actively informed our editorial team to not jeopardize current investigations. However, as new information has come to light and a third source stepped forward with further information our editors now feel compelled to begin publishing information."
Adlai: my uncle used to work at the SEC
ThickAsThieves: "On October 10th, we received a second confirmation of the information and an updated list showing that several companies while under active investigation have been placed on the back burner so that forensic accountants brought in from the IRS and other federal agencies to begin combing through the information."
ThickAsThieves: "On October 9th Coin Fire received information from a source inside the US SEC that Moopay LTD along with seven other cryptocurrency companies were under active investigation for unregistered securities in the cryptocurrency world. "
mircea_popescu: you should see what they eat here.
mircea_popescu: is this the one with the old guy chemist that joins some derpy kid and they make meth ?
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ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: there's really not much similarity between js/lisp and mongo/datomic
Adlai: HIMYM and BrBa were great for wasting hours in the army but i try and waste time productively these days
Adlai: i'd actually rather read, which is why i don't like tv series that last for dozens of hours
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: thank you, this looks like a sane version of the node/mongo stack, I’ll dig in
mircea_popescu: can i be an asshole just this once and bother people ?
ThickAsThieves: check out The Fades too if you like creepy stuff Adlai
ThickAsThieves: it was actually recommended to me by someone else here, and then when i watched it, i realized i had already seen it when it aired
Adlai: ah lol your nicks are the same length
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol "the alpha board"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they let anyone into alphadom dese dayz.
mircea_popescu: but then he'd be stuck quoting trilema instead of pretending like he's his own thing, so...
mircea_popescu: rather than the castrated "mother mary who thoust be in heavens in all glory and power, ready my letter of what i would like to see and DO IT"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and i'm sure he's saying "here, this is the registry i made, contribute"
mircea_popescu: incredible the sheer amount of slime bitcoin attracts, jesus.
ThickAsThieves: “If people use bitcoin in a lazy, easily censorable way where they are reusing addresses – which were always intended to be one-time in the design of the system – then this creates a serious systemic risk in that someone might try to order nodes, developers, and/or miners to censor the system.” ~Maxwell
mircea_popescu: :* "no, not up here, down there"
mike_c: we should get this ivan frimmel guy in here, i like the way he yells at bitcoin devs.
Adlai: what's the use
ben_vulpes: for API's we use liberator, which neatly takes all of the functions in a namespace and turns them into rest-y endpoints
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: clojure's mostly libs, less frameworks. the stack we use is http-kit for serving web apps, and datomic on postgres for data persistence.
Apocalyptic: if this is the film with Timberlake
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: Adlai how about you read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ and http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/ then we resume.
ThickAsThieves: "This is well known, but swearing won't do anything except insult people and elicit responses like: If you think you can do better then do better."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron no, you just shut the fuck up
mircea_popescu: let it be wot trust, it's the correct solution.
ThickAsThieves: they both play on same concept though
ThickAsThieves: the whole series is cool
ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2
Adlai was toying the other day with an alternate world where everybody is born into indentured servitude, but can buy their way to freedom once they've saved up enough