decimation: what do you make of the panic with respect to the africanized bees coming from the south?
decimation: Maryjane: do you live in the usa?
decimation: asciilifeform: amusing story. the moral: once a wasp - always a wasp until death or total victory
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
decimation: " For example, in America, observed de Tocqueville, a book that does not make money – because it does not sell well – cannot be good, because the test of all goodness is money. And anything that makes a profit must be admirable in every way. I"
BingoBoingo: Using the ponzi label when advertising a Ponzi anytime after the historical ponzi's bust... fine. Advertizing ponzi under any other brand like Pirateat40, not fine.
BingoBoingo: With the caveat that you only advertise for Satan under his own brand.
BingoBoingo: Safer to make ads for satan. Recognizable brand. Customers know what they get when the Buy Satan.
cazalla: they don't get it, i'm not claiming they ran the ponzi but assisted it and like andreas, they don't accept their foolish behaviour so it will happen again
cazalla: i don't know how they could create an advertisement like that without at all being suspicious
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you had been ipbanned. i fixt it now. check tor too, if it works now then well... it's not all that tor-y
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller pm me your ip ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt? << i was doing the taunting. saturated mkt.
mircea_popescu: because as usual, bad money drives out the good
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today. << that's the beauty of nature tho! instead of making it secure, they decided to "stop criminality" by making criminal-cash worthless. inasmuch as they've rpetty much succeeded... they also made their own cash worthless.
assbot: /sovryntech and /S_Murphy_PhD helped bitcoin trader market their pump, scammers along with /aantonop, seems like all you lot at LTB are init
cazalla: thestringpuller, works here
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm enjoying 'the wasp'
mike_c: i don't understand. what's the fun of all the ddos if you're not going to come in here and taunt?
asciilifeform: ('live on' means, roughly, six fig. usd minimum., equiv. - folks who can live on tree bark, don't need to descend to writing turdware, tree bark is normally free for the taking)
asciilifeform: botnet << see logs from other day for rough calculation of how even half a million bots would scarcely suffice to live on
decimation: one imagines King Louis joining the paris mobs
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is that obama was complaining about credit card fraud while he (or at least, the people over which he nominally presides) are chiefly responsible
asciilifeform: the people who have the silent crown blessing to carry on with this - know who they are.
asciilifeform: (what fiat? mostly shenanigans revolving around the us/natoblok idiot credit card system)
asciilifeform: the basic fact is, unless you have the infrastructure for reprocessing hot fiat into purified chumpatronium, botnet is not of particularly much use today.
asciilifeform: decimation: existing botnet << often quite trivial. but then what to do with it.
TheNewDeal: I've been using them pretty much the last 12 hours with no issues. Must have just started
decimation: "with paper money he could buy a lot of the deeds needed to back up the words. With paper money he could persuade the Sirian foe to kick himself good and hard in the pants and save the Terrans a tedious chore"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: How do you thing NSA/FBI does their DDOs? They pirate legit ru/cn/Ohio botnets
decimation: the truely elite hax0r figures out how to pirate an existing botnet
asciilifeform: decimation: this was the most illiterate possible turd, consisting of entirely unmodified 'putty' with a batch script giving it command line args to create 'ssh tunnel.'
decimation: asciilifeform: w.r.t. the 'putty' controller above, I thought 'modern' malware used generated dns records to 'phone home'
mircea_popescu: dude do you know how much meat is out there ?
decimation: it's pretty likely that someone 'behind' the victim press sites have something to do with the ddos
mircea_popescu: i've been spidering the net since early oct
asciilifeform: well then.
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse things. the chump's list is 5k
asciilifeform: (otherwise entirely admirable)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 5k bots is rather threadbare for this purpose
asciilifeform: decimation: or to fetch backups (we all have them, no..?)
mircea_popescu: then take out one by one all the "press venues" that failed to report on my article, while at it.
decimation: cryptolocker's approach is to force the victim to do the conversion of fiat to btc, like a mule
mircea_popescu: so now the moral dilemma of all time : should i use my list of wordpress installs to blow wordpress.com off the internets or shouldn't i.
asciilifeform: turdware is an interestingly btc-related 'scientific' field, because one hundred percent of folks with brains who have any truck with turdware (production end, that is) occupy themselves with somehow mapping their activity to btc income.
mircea_popescu: i think that's the majority, ppl running office-etc
decimation: as in 'click the .exe' or whatever variant
asciilifeform: precious and rare, the 'drive by'
asciilifeform: decimation: almost all turdware is plain trojan. only exploit is between the chumper's ears.
decimation: asciilifeform: if all these boxes are exploited with the same malwarez, does that mean that the malwarez exploit the same unpatched holes?
mircea_popescu: let's do the math shall we.
mircea_popescu: WordPress: Now Powering 50 Million Blogs - The Next Web
mircea_popescu: now, at a conservative 50kb per page, each of these installations comes to ~11kbps sustained over a day.
asciilifeform: lengthens turd life
asciilifeform: many turdmeisters throttle the chump engines
mircea_popescu: not their upper bound bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: but my point is, this comes to ~100 hits an hour from each of these idiots. just slightly under, which means the 100 was the prospective rate set by the attacker,
mircea_popescu: so anyway, the ddos of qntra is dead. here are the captions : 12`754`766 requests from 5397 unique wordpress installations.
mircea_popescu: they be ceos.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: virtually the whole of the turdware world has, for some years, been accounted for by cargocult l4m3rs who 'license' a turd (why? because, even building a ready tarball found wherever - is far beyond their intellectual level)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for one thing, 99% of that 99% is the same damned three trojans
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has to be vulnerable to something, right ? << hate to disappoint, but 99% of the chumps are accounted for by perfectly lame trojans.
RagnarDanneskjol: is there a log arxiv available elsewhere?
decimation: for instance, bush jr, 'committed' to putting a man on mars, which is obviously retarded for many reasons, not the least of which being that no one is in charge of nasa, and certainly not von braun
decimation: but neither hitler not kennedy really knew shit about von braun or rocketry.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes it is o.o
decimation: re: kennedy "committed" < but all he really did was quite unknowingly empower von braun, whose scheme it was in the first place
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yup.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what's dig qntra.net say to you ?
mircea_popescu: "That line right there, if accepted into regulation, would be enough to conclusively destroy any hope of a Bitcoin monetary takeover. It effectively sets a 100% reserve requirement for Bitcoin banks, making it imposible for the supply of Bitcoin to expand in the ways that would be necessary for the cryptocurrency to displace conventional money."
assbot: Free Banking on a Bitcoin Standard–The State Prepares its Death Blow | PHILOSOPHICAL ECONOMICS
mircea_popescu: cazalla no, they'd leave trails like slugs.
cazalla: cry because they have no shoes (googled that one)
mircea_popescu: THE TAUNTINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL DDOS IMPROVES!~!!
mircea_popescu: dude what the shit, 0.27 load what is this bullcrap
assbot: This debunked Kickstarter project may be the biggest crowdfunding fail to date - The Washington Post
diametric: asciilifeform: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/10/16/this-debunked-kickstarter-project-may-be-the-biggest-crowdfounding-fail-to-date/
kakobrekla: was hoping to get the first line of the log for the day and messed up the first try. ah well.
BingoBoingo: So Buttcoin seems to have the best bearwhale gallery http://www.buttcoinfoundation.org/i-am-the-bearwhale-goo-goo-gjoob
mircea_popescu: not when we're talking peanuts ops on the fringe.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, idiot users aren't patchable, so probably the same box will surface again later
mircea_popescu: i was enjoying getting all the lists.
thestringpuller: !up devthedev
thestringpuller: Yea. He's usually high on weed like 95% of the time.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol not bad
thestringpuller: if cop dramas portraying kidnapping were real, I'd think that'd be in the media more often.
mircea_popescu: and the response came that "i might take that much to take her off your hands" ?
thestringpuller: are you saying the hooligans are not poor and stupid?
mircea_popescu: i have access to women and can't monetize them,
BigBitz: thestringpuller should I get a manager?
thestringpuller: i don't understant though fully. If hooligans have access to botnets and can't monetize them, why don't they rent them out for people to attack other people?
jurov: well, that's my proposal for qntra article: "Qntra was under DDoS sustained for 3 days. Ther was no newsworthy scam activity in bicoinland during this time."
mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.
mircea_popescu: resulting in a song, quite popular at the time, "mai bine huligan decit dictator", "better off a hooligan than a dictator"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you know, hooligans is what ceausescu called the dudes that shot him.
BigBitz: then put my name. Nice.
BigBitz: I like how they called my Anonymous.
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 17:29:41; mircea_popescu: cool, so perhaps qntra should run a piece about how whoever nobody from coinfire divulged today that coinfire is in the posession of signed letters by the sec demanding they do not publish information.
thestringpuller: ".I, BigBitz, can confirm the person in this video is indeed Mr. Ryan Kennedy. I say Ryan Kennedy, and not Alex Green or Ryan Gentle or various other nonsense, as Ryan Kennedy is the name I had him arrested under when he scammed me" - BigBitz via https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/new-sources-verify-bitcoin-exchange-moolah-ceo-alex-greens-former-scammer-identity/
BigBitz: thestringpuller got a link?
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BigBitz: I'd rather be a chick than a cat, that's for sure.
BigBitz: has the Hawaii chick been to space yet?
mircea_popescu: undata you know there's worse things than being a chick.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'm a sporting man. i like to lay the occasional bet.
undata: pow, right in the manhood
BingoBoingo: Ben Fox is usually the person with signal on this issue
mircea_popescu: jesus the prop market sucks in here!
undata: oh maybe the tip
undata: he takes me with him to uh... build space roobas or something, and the rest are left on earth which at that point is one big venezuela
undata: the fantasy for me goes something like emperor Musk establishing space stations throughout the asteroid belt for mining
undata: the huddled useless masses I'm paying insurance for, and who are going to receive unburnable housing
undata: mircea_popescu: so you're going to keep the Freen0deAdmins as pets?
mircea_popescu: not about yourself lmao, who the fuck gives a shit about yourself ? and you least of all!
bounce: concrete'll burn, if the fire getting it going is hot enough. or whatwasit, turn back into quicklime and whatever else they put in it
mircea_popescu: Freen0deAdmin read the logs.
mircea_popescu: bounce the roof is tarred tho.
bounce: the roof. on fire.
bounce: hm yeah still often quite a bit of wood. floors, roof holding up the tiles, that sort of thing
undata: box them in soviet apartments
bounce: so that's the problem. youse houses be just too good!
mircea_popescu: at least, not until the idiot westerners came in to build "offices" and "supermarkets"
bounce: the really young (and thus families with young kids) also are a drain.
undata: mircea_popescu: so pragmatically, what to do with the useless?
mircea_popescu: nobody in romania has heard of or could imagine the point of "a sprinkler system"
bounce: if you live in a house for a hundred years, it never burned down, you paid its rebuilding value (given the 2%) twice over. is that a loss? or a win, after al, the house didn't burn down.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, qntra editor needs his breakfast before the day begins
mircea_popescu: well that's probably the only universal atm.
undata: I wouldn't mind seeing the last few generations of americans starve, though.
bounce: the usg thing is a layer cake of fail. but yes, you'll end up with /some/ subsidizing in any such system. over the long run you'll have been young, subsidizing the old, and old, mooching off of the young both.
cazalla: "..which included a fingerprint scanner and camera, downloaded images of users' bitcoin identification cards." << where do i get one of these?
mircea_popescu: or in other words : someone's going to be stuck with the old and the infirm no matter how you work it out.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just pillage.
mircea_popescu: undata that's a different story tho. some allowance will have to be made for people who worked in one system, if you change it to another system,
bounce: ``Tooth and Claw is the easiest of my books to summarize. It's a sentimental Victorian novel in which all the characters are dragons who eat each other. If that sounds appealing, you'll like it. If not, then probably not.''
asciilifeform: and can hold off the town singlehandedly
asciilifeform: there was an sf tale where rich folks (alien dragon-like creatures, i think it was) actually get bigger
undata: maybe I'm smart enough to avoid them entirely
bounce: though anyway, the point of applying statistics in insurance is exactly because you don't know who's gonna get hit, you only know larger-scale numbers. even so, with this you can mitigate disaster to manageable proportions. that's why it exists.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, dinosaurs would still be "too big to fail"
mircea_popescu: we are, as a species, the results of that house surviving, you know.
bounce: plenty governments make that call, and even take away your ability to opt out of insurance altogether.
mircea_popescu: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/US/09/18/ike.last.house.standing/art.gilchrist.house.irpt.jpg << the argument that this is "just sheer luck" reduces to both "if you built a business it's not your business" and "einstein never happened"
mircea_popescu: you want me to pay 10% for the greater good ?
mircea_popescu: well thereabouts : if i live in a neighbourhood where flood is 10% yearly, but because of where exactly my house is my chances are 2.3%
bounce: the problem is that they're making the maps so detailed as to follow every single thing on there, real-time. not areas, single persons.
bounce: that's your argument, and it's not the problem
mircea_popescu: and similarly, arguing that insurance can't see the maps of the land because you want to have coops of idiots in insurance is nonsensicla.
mircea_popescu: but my argument is : just because your john is an idiot, itdoes not follow you now have license to make a rule as to what mircea the evil can or can not do with his slavegirls.
bounce: small ones that stick to their shtick can work pretty well
undata has been in the bit mines too long
mircea_popescu: bounce because mircea the evil can and will tell everyone to go fuck himself with a rolled up newspaper, among other things. because it's his motherfucking million.
bounce: you ask for the insurance administrator to hop by and observe your freshly burned-out house
bounce: that would appear to be the rub, yes. pension funds and "financial products" and whatnot
undata: bounce: how does the thing know when to pay out?
mircea_popescu: soon enough they're out there supporting causes and underwriting bonds with gs and stuff.
undata: complicated way to say that the primary role of the rich guy is dispensing his capital-allocating wisdom, if I follow
mircea_popescu: a guy with one million one dollar bills collected from his fellow nobodies is not a millionaire. he's a dangerously overpowered representative of the mob.
mircea_popescu: but irrespective of all this, they play a role to support a theory, and that theory is "we too".
mircea_popescu: they are not slaves, have not the training, nor the skill nor in the end the needs or structures of that relationship.
mircea_popescu: the girls in the ghetto, for love of their fatherland, pick up john, sit him down at the table opposite and cuddle at his feet, just like the others.
mircea_popescu: ie, john is a poor but stupod kid from some downtown ghetto in some derpy town. one day, mircea the evil comes there on business, sits down in the bar with his two bitches cuddling at his feet and drinks a rum or something
mircea_popescu: the relevant part : "Ca sa ne intelegem mai bine : Ion e un copchil sarac si cam prost dintr-un cartier amarit din ceva orasel indistinct. Intr-o zi, Mircea cel Rau vine pe-acolo cu treaba, se aseaza-n bar cu cele doua catele ghemuite la picioare si bea un rom ceva. Fetele din cartieru respectiv, din dragoste de patrie (in exemplu nostru cartieru respectiv) il iau pe sus pe Ion, il aseaza la masa de vis-a-vis
mircea_popescu: just because insurance co-ops exist doesn't mean they're anything important you know.
bounce: look. fire insurance. over some area 2% of the houses burn down every year. so you insure against that by gathering a goodly bunch of house owners and they contribute 2% of their own house's rebuilding value to the pot, plus a little extra to cover administration. instant rich party to cover houses burning down.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are things that should be emin ently insurable in bounce's paradigm of insurance
mircea_popescu: the solution comes from rich people.
mircea_popescu: enough people with the same problem construct a large problem, not a solution.
mircea_popescu: all you need is enough people doing the same.
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. you can also go to the moon by pulling on your underwear
asciilifeform: there are things arguably vital (civilizationally) that are uninsurable.
bounce: you don't need an external rich party to provide insurance; you can create your own. all you need is enough people with the same problem.
mircea_popescu: and it is the ONLY injection of safety in a market,
mircea_popescu: "the odds of this crop failling are 1%, pay me a dime get a ducat if your crop fail"
mircea_popescu: this is why the trading states (historical la serenissima, others) benefited so much from rich people in their midst. it creates stability, when there';s a guy with a large fortune capable to make specific statements about the future.
Adlai: bounce: i don't know what it's worth exactly, but just listening to everybody's fearbabble and the taboo against suicide suggest that it's way overvalued these days
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> obligatory: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/02/wheel-of-misfortune.html // thanks for the link, a quite enjoyable article
mircea_popescu: <bounce> you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions. << i do not agree.
bounce: you know, insurance by its very nature is a social institution: statistics to spread the pain of disaster over many in manageable proportions.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the market, if left alone instead of forced to "not abuse power" or w/e it's called, would push them to what can be borne on volatility
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the REASON insurance in the us is so expensive, is exactly the nonsense noise and crap induced in the calculations by the socialist legislation.
asciilifeform: what casino wouldn't love to know if some fellow blessed by the gods to win $maxint that day (or simply a card counter) walks in?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seems like the fight between insurance client and insurer is really a dispute over what the house edge should be.
mircea_popescu: same thing as discussing "average iq" or other similar insanities born out of an inability to statistics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as in, take five people, pretend they're all the same, insure the lot.
mircea_popescu: (as to the first part, bitcoin mining is EXACTLY insurance, as a mechanism. it turns a string of discrete events (blocks found) into a practically continuous stream of services (hashes))
asciilifeform: average out nonscalar values << curious what's in there
mircea_popescu: now these may be used synonymously, but this misuse speaks only to the idiocy of the user.
mircea_popescu: there's insurance, which makes sense, if events happen discretely converting them into a continuous stream is useful.
mircea_popescu: i think there's equivocation at work here.
asciilifeform: thing is, insurance and full-blast commune are both ways of distributing risk. (sorta how cannibalism is just another way of producing meat, but i digress.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he doesn't know the juicy details that fate was held as more powerful than zeus.
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Wheel of Misfortune
asciilifeform: that's precisely the thing. and pertains to earlier thread, too. people are reluctant to let go, destroy, demolish.
asciilifeform: propped up by force of the king.