asciilifeform: let the hero step up.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, as i gather, 1 and 3; mircea_popescu - 2 and 3.
asciilifeform: and provided basic impetus for anyone who wishes, to take up the work
asciilifeform: imho, the only way this will 'go anywhere' is either 1) mircea_popescu releases some 'declassified' portion of his in-house gadget, or 2) a free man takes up the torch of the turdlathe
asciilifeform: presently i'm not getting the impression that anyone actually gives a sufficient fuck about this undertaking.
los_pantalones: wonder if this is the short swap closing
los_pantalones: 11k on the bid @ bfx now
asciilifeform: does anyone know the cause of permanent blockchain wedging in 0.5.3 ?
asciilifeform: t caused the indirect leak is fixed, Memcheck won't report such blocks individually by default.' << from manual
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: '"Indirectly lost". This covers cases 4 and 9 (for the BBB blocks) above. This means that the block is lost, not because there are no pointers to it, but rather because all the blocks that point to it are themselves lost. For example, if you have a binary tree and the root node is lost, all its children nodes will be indirectly lost. Because the problem will disappear if the definitely lost block tha
asciilifeform: the idiot db 'caching' also pisses away ram
adlai: dunno, maybe if we regulated bitcoin a little better, then we'd have proper insiders n stuff
kakobrekla: there is even less (leveraged?) bids on bfx than on stamp
thickasthieves: someone posting 1000btc bids, someone filling them all at once
adlai: these are some nice dumps though
adlai tries not to watch the markets when he's not actively tinkering with scalpl
asciilifeform: (texas abolished the tradition of last meal in 2011)
asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.
asciilifeform: as orlov pointed out, the u.s. bezzle consists of an iron 'car, house, job' triangle.
asciilifeform: those who are willing to pay the 'auto tax' into housing bezzle and get a 2-3x costlier flat, can live in special reservations where driving is optional.
xiando: could actually be true if the vehicle had a constant speed of 34 Kph (such likely)
mircea_popescu: and yet argentina has the world's widest street.
asciilifeform: the general magic number '1 hour commute' defines where usaschwitz inmate can work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform important. the notion that all the lemmings drive... meh. not really so great.
asciilifeform: or, so it was when these roads were built.
mircea_popescu: they're just not standard in shitholes.
mircea_popescu: scandalous, this. but they are standard in new england
asciilifeform: other thing to remember is that sidewalks are not standard in usa.
mircea_popescu: "According to the forensic report, the vehicle never exceeded an AVERAGE speed of 34 Kph." << gotta love these forensic reports. the never exceeded average ? lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, bikers in romania pissed me the fuck off. bikers here are actually pleasant,
asciilifeform: drivers also struggle to escape from the 'funeral' lane, hastily swap lanes to the left, and often collide
gernika: I once ran over a bicyclist. She then got a ticket.
mircea_popescu: just run them over.
asciilifeform: important detail when you're in this type of 'funeral parade' every other day.
asciilifeform: elementary missing piece here - in many places in usa, a bicyclist is permitted to occupy a full lane. this slows traffic in the entire road to a crawl, very often, because now everyone is stuck in first gear.
mircea_popescu: so there you go. otherwise, the "animosity" is properly resolved with bikers paying the fuck attention and being humble and apologetic all the time to everyone.
mircea_popescu: but the ruminants are really good at bleeting, and in the us currently that temporarily means something.,
mircea_popescu: bounce easy to explain : all preditors have an innate hatred of fast moving, light items ; preditors are better suited than rumminants for life on earth. as a result, people on bikes are in a position ot annyo people in cars, and people in cars are in a position to give them what for.
bounce doesn't really understand the animosity between bikes and cars, though. seems to be a north american thing.
xiando: change it in the db if you have access to it
thickasthieves: i figured out the email, it's a dead one :/
mircea_popescu: so change it in the mysql.
mircea_popescu: should be a little link on the page.
thickasthieves: if you forget the email addy for an admin in Wordpress, how to password reset?
asciilifeform: any idiot can scrape together a few pennies and get on an airplane.
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: i think i explained on, possibly 10+ occasions, the hard part is not the airplane (i even bought one of those arse-search passes we spoke of.)
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: why would slave take the railroad to a slave territory?
xiando: It is like property rights locally, you are supposed to have them but you don't anymore
xiando: mircea_popescu, if US laws apply in practice if you serve US citizens or not is basically a question of where you are, really. If you are in this country and the US tells the regime they want you then you're just picked up and put on a plane and maby, if you are very lucky, someone in the regime will bother to ask why they want you
thickasthieves: random thought, reading qntra this morning, i pictured 5 years in the future, where it was the craigslist of localized anarchonews
mircea_popescu: this is so easier when y'all don't go fucking crazy with the keyboards!
thickasthieves: would they let me run SR from here if i only sold to Russians?
mircea_popescu: the world is not a us subject. the us is a subject in this relationship. an incredibly cheeky one, to boot.
mircea_popescu: you don't likle us citizens betting on bitbet, put fucking dildos in their chairs.
thickasthieves: granted, though i realize now the quote is missing a bit of context, I think he was more pointing out that you could operate in the US, outwardly
mircea_popescu: this is like pretending that ranchers must register with one another because the cattle strays on their land and eats their grass.
mircea_popescu: i will NOT register with anyone ever on the guise that they can't keep their cattle in line.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: " Whether one is a US-based exchange or not doesn't decide whether one needs to register. The question is whether a company has clients in the US or not. If so, they are subject to regulations of that jurisdiction." << utter bullshit.
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undata: what openssl version is the 0.5.3 fork being built against?
thickasthieves: it's the script pankkake made to run a node
thickasthieves: “The scenario of deflation is not there, because indeed we don’t consider that deflation is going to happen,” said the ECB’s vice-president, Vitor Constancio, ECB
thickasthieves: mad at the world
mircea_popescu: what the shit even.
mircea_popescu: "Its like talking to a wall. Theres no use arguing with a cult."
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 13:20:00; thickasthieves: pankkake says hello: "That’s not an “update”, please avoid associating your nonsense with my script. Your “solution” provides no easy maintenance and comes with greater hardware requirements (as with anything pre-0.8), but I suppose you guys are pretty much clueless on this. Also conveniently forgetting that 0.9 introduced the possibility of disabling the wallet functionality
adlai: but at some point i'd like to algorithmically snarf this data, and i wonder occasionally how exactly to correlate between all these feeds
thickasthieves: adlai, most of the swaps are taken up by swap dealers, and more likely, bfx itself
adlai: xanthyos: another scenario: i place a margin bid. you market sell. usd swaps go up, but the market has dropped. does this show up in an eyeballing of the charts?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> why are we polishing turd again...? << only way there is.
thickasthieves: lol ur like the annoying kid that always wins
mircea_popescu: punkman: so pack of tobacco from corner store, 4-5eur from 17gr, bag of tobacco from guy I know, 20eur for 1kg. << srsly, you're too useful to be smoking by the kg.
mircea_popescu: <thickasthieves> oldest trade org <<< check it out, they're aware bitcoin foundation is going to destroy bitcoin scamfoundation.
mircea_popescu: we're here in the process of reimplementing the world because we don't trust one set of turdmeisters, you expect code will be reused from an even derpier set ?
thickasthieves: "Matonis has served as the head of the bitcoin industry's oldest trade organisation since July 2013"
thickasthieves: was onlybringing it up in case their stuff can be repurposed to save time
mircea_popescu: in the sense that braindamaged implementations of nothing in particular are similar to actually useful implementations on the same basis, then yes, all c code reminds one of all c code and deeds of colored coins
thickasthieves: does it already serve the purpose?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's at least two holes still extant to this day, i thought i said at some point
xiando: adlai: I actually do not get what you mean or why you are wondering if there is a colleration, if you short sell 1000 BTC then you borrow 1000 BTC so obviously swaps increase when the sell happens.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever plugged the leak in your secret magic turd?
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2014 00:24:04; mircea_popescu: Jason the idea is to expand current bitcoin-assets functionality with a register of deeds.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2014#789340 latter reprise. and there's a pastebin with the actual spec too.
adlai: xiando: eyeballing correlations is nice, but it's just eyeballing... then again, this is just my kneejerk distrust of eyeballs rather than any concrete reason to suspect there's a problem with this approach
xiando: most swap taken is either used directly or within hours
xiando: adlai: You see it clearly on bfxdata, like 2 hours ago there was a 1600 BTC trade where you clearly see both USD and BTC margin take spikes
mircea_popescu: gernika it's in the logs, yeah.
thickasthieves: "Her charming babe-in-the-woods persona also contributed to her post-Idol success" lol
adlai: they broke import!?
gernika: Is there a seminal discussion on deeds/deedbot I can read up on?
adlai: this is not the attitude that put a robot on mars
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, as you well know, easy to make small holes while writing c++. in fact, the best use of c++ might be irrigation systesm.
asciilifeform was recently issued just such a machine by the fellow he works for. had an interesting 'face' when saw the holes.
mircea_popescu: punkman: I've always thought the drainholes under keyboard in Lenovo machines were a great idea, haven't had a chance to test it though <<< this is the train of thought that ends up with keyboard rats.
asciilifeform: there is also the possibility that this shit is too much like work, and that is the explanation.
adlai: well odin probably does, and a handful of grunts handling the sweaty work
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: So if the SEC is enabling some traders to get early info, will the SEC fine the SEC? << funny how that works eh.
adlai: swiss guy's license is all in Deutsch, natürlich, so our brilliant state trooper scribbles in huge block letters in the accident report: "DUTCH LICENSE NUMBER 123456"
adlai: best mistranslation I've seen recently was a cop booking a swiss friend for rear-ending another car in massachusets
mircea_popescu: russians : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" ; nato : "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow".
mircea_popescu: also this is why english is the international language whereas russian is not : english allows two parties to reach a "mutual conclusion" which they can both live with.
mircea_popescu: "The U.S. and the European Union have imposed several rounds of crippling sanctions against Moscow" << lolmkay.
mircea_popescu: adlai: "The system, akin to an X-ray machine for the stock market" Here we see the useless metaphor in its natural habitat, a NYtimes article << lol, quite. at least salon and the rest of the sew crowd make their metaphores pointedly wrong, rather than useless.
mircea_popescu: course "loophole" doesn't have the same sound to it as "bug" does.
mircea_popescu: but i like how bounce's legal mind works. seriously, contrary to all the pretense of the entrenched "profession" to the contrary, being a lawyer is EXACTLY being a coder, nothing different at all, let alone substantially different is taught in law school. the ONLY difference is that the hardware is very limited and the api incredibly old and terribly buggy.
thickasthieves: the internet makes crime easier, and US just wants to make sure they are the ones having it easy
mircea_popescu: much like the tsa bs, it's never been reviewed.
mircea_popescu: bounce: so, is there any data anywhere of the efficacy and efficiency of KYC and AML reg implementations? << nope.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 only if you think of them.
adlai: "Linux's spread... reinvents the flat tire" nice
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 no, not that one. the one where you kiss a girl while the other sucks you off.
mats_cd03: not that i don't enjoy the taste of my own dong, just... i don't
mircea_popescu: then feelings.
jurov: soon the replicas will be able to transmit feelings
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 whatever you do, don't do the bj kiss. it'll ruin "traditional" life for you.
adlai: i'm already pissed from the lack of hyperlinked endnotes
bounce: we'd be back with the whole eugenics problem, only with a different face on it
adlai: well what would you do with the extra cock
thickasthieves: it's like youre really there
bounce: lots of tools out there
bounce: somehow I think I'll prefer food the old fashioned way
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i had a bet with a younger, entrepreneur friend, which went that if automatic "make clone of your own penis" and "test yourself for all diseases" kits appear at the same time, the former'll oversell the latter.
ben_vulpes: but i been out of the atoms biz for a while now.
bounce: on-demand printing of otherwise unobtanium and expensivium parts is kinda useful though
ben_vulpes: i really don't see the difference.
mircea_popescu: adlai and what it means is, "even cheaper furniture and finishings for the us mortgage mouse"
bounce: squirt acid on pcbs with an inkjet and skip the whole masking thing?
adlai: bounce: so you could theoretically "chemically print" the composition of any drink, medicine, poison, drug, explosive, etc
adlai: "chemical printing" gets tossed around as the next step in automated manufacturing
mircea_popescu: so coffee depletes the uranium in your got ?
adlai: then i began drinking coffee and my turds are now denser than depleted uranium
adlai: well i did notice at one point that squeezing my asshole while pooping could theoretically sculpt the resulting turd, kinda like a lathe
adlai: analyze jack&coke, engineer enzymes targeting its contents, put them in yeast and feast
bounce: local airport is closed. nice long tarmac strip though, so send over the bitcoin jet.
mircea_popescu: well no, but there's airplanes where you ppls live neh ?
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, i have a metal hand press, and a pile of oranges. so im going to make myself some freshly squeezed orange juice and douse it in the local cognac.
thickasthieves: so all these old fogies are watching bj vids now
thickasthieves: just launched their capital campaign
thickasthieves: yesterday their domain expired and now points to pornhub
bounce had been playing with the idea of an aggregator. didn't get around to actually do it though.
thickasthieves: this often puts my in either a devils advocate position, or stranded
thickasthieves: in case you havent noticed i like to explore the space in between things, and question the extremes
bounce: something like abstract algebra. do math to numbers only forget about the numbers.
thickasthieves: as i knew i was about to explain something as i thought it, but i also knew it was a concept in my head from the past but which i have never articulated in words
mircea_popescu: but the particular definition you gave indicates to the compiler, were the compiler human, that a) you hadn't considered it before using it and b) as defined prolly doesn't serve you in any sense.
mircea_popescu: now, it's entirely your privilege, as the human in this relationship, to define function x any way you please
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mircea_popescu: xiando o, no ? http://trilema.com/2013/in-which-noobs-learn-lessons-and-pay-for-the-privilege/ ? http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-how-much-i-rule-today/ ?
xiando: It doesn't matter if you really are 12+ whales on some private IRC channel, you can't just set the price anyway.
thickasthieves: in the end we're all just floating muck, without context
thickasthieves: with the outer being total meaninglessness
mircea_popescu: not everything is. that's the essential point.
thickasthieves: i'm not commenting on whether its just a shared delusion
thickasthieves: sure, i meant this with the spectrum comments
mircea_popescu: whereas for all you know in bitcoin twelve whales get together in a secret chan somehwere and that's how the price moves ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves do you understand that as dubious as charts are generally, which we won't rehash, at least generally there's the atomic market ?
thickasthieves: but it's the spectrum in which traders play
thickasthieves: so if you are attempting to chart or even look at trends or volume alone, you relaly need the whole picture
thickasthieves: there are big players working across exchanges
mircea_popescu: maybe my needs are unrepresentative, but i find they're served equally well by any of the older providers. bitcoincharts, bitcoinity, whatevers.
mircea_popescu: generally what everyone thinks is the thing to do is wrong, which is why the "never compete in saturated markets" advice's served me so well over the years.
mircea_popescu: not to be a parade pisser, but there's problems lurking.
thickasthieves: other turdtards are already on this
thickasthieves: maybe mapping otc in there, trying to pry info from people like coinbase or bitpay, i dunno
mircea_popescu: this being kinda why all the however many exchange feed centralizers went nowhere.
mircea_popescu: everyone does want to know the price, but a speshal few know you wouldn't know anyway.
mircea_popescu: you will become the reddit index provider, which is not how you feed that market. you don't make goof stuff for the consumers, you make cheap shitty stuff for them
thickasthieves: but everyone wants to know the price
mircea_popescu: you won't become the dominant index provider because people who matter don't chart and people who chart don't matter.
thickasthieves: Coindesk seems on this path, but theyre bound to fuck it up
mircea_popescu: that's the risk, you put the work in, "traders" love it, then it turns out the "traders" are 500 redditards all sunk to the hilt in bitfinex/bitjam/whatever
thickasthieves: i also would like (and surely others would to) a cumalitive customizable chart for bitcoin exchanges
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves the way people do. you write down the task, break it up, write down the parts, break them up, read up on the topics, implement, refine...
thickasthieves: how the fuck to make a search engine?
thickasthieves: the project i'll never work on but always talk about
mircea_popescu: "oh, everything is on wikipedia" is not curation. why the fuck would i want google to return a wikipedia result in the first place, what, as if i don't know they probably have a shitty article sort-of talking around topic x ?
mircea_popescu: and google is the shittiest curator imaginable. people in commie romania thought they had it bad, but this is pointedly worse.
thickasthieves: they already are tho,
thickasthieves: and would be smart to move harder in the curation direction in the face of such a service
mircea_popescu: it'd certainly be useful for linux-y types, me and google divorced when it took out the operands.
punkman: I am also considering making the bot spit out expiry/revocations in a diff channel
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves i suspect this is like the "myspace, music industry killer" idea a decade ago. yeah, it'd work, if people didn't suck. people do suck, and as a result, myspace dies.
jurov: even then, it did some failures like "key rejected by input filter"
thickasthieves: and default mode is the average of all users
jurov: mircea_popescu you forgot the wot ratings must be examined manually to be useful?
thickasthieves: my search idea could combine with a distributed one, have all ranking factors be open and weightable by the user
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thickasthieves: the local rap group in my hometwon was called 12Majestik
TomServo: The other points seem much more specific, and I would think there is at least something in mind when referring to innovations into the social order.
mircea_popescu: well the way i read it it's not referring to anything, merely refusing to commit to anything.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: It just struck me as not fitting with the rest of the message. What innovations might he be referring to?
thickasthieves: it's why i always loved the Apple logo designer
thickasthieves: Pentagram is like the identity design elite
TomServo: "Russia favors a conservative approach to introducing innovations into the social order, but is not opposed to investigating and discussing such innovations, to see if introducing any of them might be justified." << seems like an odd point to wedge in amongst the rest.
ben_vulpes: i ultimately went the route of shelling out to gpg directly and writing my own little lib that did exactly what i needed and nothing else
ben_vulpes: punkman: i've run afoul of the python gnupg wrapper
nubbins`: the host!!!
RagnarDanneskjol: thickasthieves - thats what coinsetter did their first couple of years for that reason
jurov: iirc it's already established MPEx server everyone, what are they gonna do about it?
jurov: and if it does not register, then what?
thickasthieves: can a US exchange run unregulated by the US if it only serves non-US customers?
thickasthieves: " Whether one is a US-based exchange or not doesn't decide whether one needs to register. The question is whether a company has clients in the US or not. If so, they are subject to regulations of that jurisdiction."
thickasthieves: altogether."
thickasthieves: pankkake says hello: "That’s not an “update”, please avoid associating your nonsense with my script. Your “solution” provides no easy maintenance and comes with greater hardware requirements (as with anything pre-0.8), but I suppose you guys are pretty much clueless on this. Also conveniently forgetting that 0.9 introduced the possibility of disabling the wallet functionality
nubbins`: then quit
kakobrekla: i dont know anyone younger than 40 there
punkman: kakobrekla: teach them how to bitcoin plz
kakobrekla: for the high end.
jurov: punkman, are you aware there are gnupg and python-gnupg as not fully compatible forks of each other?
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kakobrekla: ;;google shut the fuck up
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nubbins`: what's the backend written in
punkman: maybe today, gotta remove the stupid
punkman: I've always thought the drainholes under keyboard in Lenovo machines were a great idea, haven't had a chance to test it though
thickasthieves: So if the SEC is enabling some traders to get early info, will the SEC fine the SEC?
adlai: thus the modern stock market enables us to calculate the free-market price of a fuck, commonly only approximated through dark pools in back alleys
thickasthieves: Tim COok just came out of the closet
bounce logged in with $site, nuked cookies somewhere along the way, now can't log in because "csrf token invalid, try again", no matter what trick I throw at it. support is in a forum that requires logging in through the same form of course.
thickasthieves: <+cazalla> i bet this multisig shit turns into a customer service nightmare for coinbase ---- and they explicitly only do online customer service, no phone
thickasthieves: but yes, the Putin thing is mostly uncovered in us