mircea_popescu: <adlai> there's probably a nice little niche scamming these services << and a good thing for that, too. if there weren't no parasites praying on parasites we'd be awash in 'em
kakobrekla: you going to scam the scammer?
adlai: is this a payment processor? web wallet? "merchant portal"? whatever the fuck does that even mean?
adlai: here's a new word for the scamtionary: "pre-enroll"
mircea_popescu: oglaf is the official cult comic.
thickasthieves: rewrite all the things
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> well if you are playing 'what stan wants' game you prolly end up with 100% mechanical implementation of bitcoind << some things stan wants stan gets, some other things he gets to want even harder!
jurov: upon further reading... so stan wants to make everything into own OS. ic.
jurov: asciilifeform: in the raw device as database, how do you index utxo to verify incoming transactions?
mircea_popescu: if one can read past the marauding sew he spwes.
mircea_popescu: btw, Auction of Souls is a must see, but preferably in the uncut version.
mircea_popescu: TomServo you know, i'm too old for the cross bullshit.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/0d0dbaac6674f72042e594d6890b8194/tumblr_n1ilpvL6fA1sotprvo1_500.jpg << proof that the question mark is drawn all wrong.
TomServo hails the great leader.
thickasthieves: of course i had a following out with the jeweler so maybe not
thickasthieves: i can probably buy $10k worth by driving 10m down the road
thickasthieves: thats not the same, but yes jewelers do usually trade gold
chetty: never bought a ring for the wife?? :P
chetty: thickasthieves, I bet thats just paper tho, try and buy the actual stuff at those prices :P
chetty: <cazalla> it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes
thickasthieves: more beatings for btc then too
xanthyos: wonder if the site will mysteriously go down in 62
TomServo: thickasthieves: ahah, wow that's awful. Way to fight the good fight though - more patience than I.
thickasthieves: omg, the tview chat has up/downvoting on EVERY comment
cazalla: it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out
thickasthieves: some great spices there
thickasthieves: "Add warming spices to your diet, such as cinnamon, ginger, cardamom, cumin, coriander, chili & fennel seed to help kick start the digestive fire."
thickasthieves: "This discolouration of the urine, to red or pink, after eating beets is called beeturia. It’s caused by the betalain pigments in the beets, breaking down and being excreted. The stomach acid and the flora of the gut play an important role in breaking down the pigments in food, so if they are low or compromised you may experience beeturia."
cazalla: then i remember i made beetroot relish for tmw and ate a bunch of beets while cooking
cazalla: prob cause she has been stuck at home all day with bubs and she realised i'd been at the beach once i got home
punkman: why the look?
cazalla: gotta get some beer so i can yell at the kids who dare come to my doorstep and ask trick or treat in australia
punkman: how was the water cazalla
cazalla: looks like it was quiet on the news front, i pissed off and spent half the day at the beach
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ben_vulpes wonders if anyone's running on the 0.5.3 testnet
mircea_popescu: "the user is your only true enemy." ~ che guevara
ben_vulpes: i've only ever seen the programmable stuff.
mircea_popescu: fuck me sally. they got excel "macros" for firefox now ?
mircea_popescu: "Selenium IDE is a Firefox plugin which records and plays back user interactions with the browser. "
ben_vulpes: oh lol you said "prove" in the context of software around asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: therein lies the real chthonian ur-terror here. <<< nah, we know it works. we just can't prove it to arbitrary standards yet.
ben_vulpes: keeps the immune system from attacking itself.
mircea_popescu: gotta get the girls dirty now and again, best thing for 'em.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: diversity of systems << idiocy << no dude. if bitcoin code all ran on the same platform that'd be pretty much the end.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here! <<< not terribly fair. the mercedes is not made out of coffee like code is.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just seems in Buenos Aires you spend less time on the Keyboard than you did in Timisoara
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one of the things pretty much no one (save possibly mircea_popescu) << possibly eh ?
BingoBoingo: I think the biggest MP endorsment of hardware b-a so far is how much less time spent at the keyboard happens now compared to timisoara
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: mod6: I prefer the term Stanix << as in "the dyslexic coder sold his soul to stanix" ?
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: well, that's part of why the comment states upfront you'll just get banned first time if you screw with the order - I just noticed kakobrekla's name so decided it'd be better to talk to him here first instead :p << dig the power of the wot
ben_vulpes: dev anarchy over there, i tell you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mod6: idea was, blockchain, as potentially the majority user of future hdd space on planet, deserves own (ab initio) scheme of mapping to block device. <<< this is actually a solid point
ben_vulpes: i did get a sane guy on the phone today.
ben_vulpes: i actually want these guys to do well. they've apparently fallen into an infinite buy wall for what they do.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to know lol, you come in here with your pseudoquotes and pseudocode and etc :D
mircea_popescu: a then nm me
mircea_popescu: in any case the part you quoted is bad voodoo, and you know that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: then maybe leave just that and appear all friendzoned-and-happy-about-it
ben_vulpes: oh well there's a "here's what you should do" section as well.
ben_vulpes: i swear half what i do is herd cats and the other half is tell clients what the fuck to do.
mircea_popescu: dear client, here is our contract and here is our previous agreement. if you would like to modify either, please forward me the required modifications and i will send you the corresponding quote.
ben_vulpes: b) retain us through the demo day, and let us work with your technical team to do the best we can (all we've ever promised) to make you look good for your next big relationship.
ben_vulpes: a) let the contract terminate, accept our sw in its current state, shit your pants, blow your demo.
ben_vulpes: i appreciate your flair for the dramatic but lol chilllllll frere.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: veloper using Selenium to exercise his hand-cobbled JavaScript to those of Netflix and their Chaos Gorilla), but to distill the reference implementation into something that can fit in a single humans head and rip out braindamaged code-arson like the moronic wallets and their change behavior."
mircea_popescu: "You misunderstand my goals. My goal with 0.5.3 is not to produce a high quality implementation of the bitcoin protocol from Satoshis work (people interested in such should take a dependency on software thats actually rigorously tested like the Conformal codebase. Comparing the tests for *any* version of the Satoshi codebase with the Conformal implementation is like comparing the tests of a first-year Ruby web de
asciilifeform: back to above, the gods loving a joke, perhaps this is how we find out that p==np.
asciilifeform: i should also point out that 'fits in head' does not mean yours and mine, necessarily. there are many different heads.
asciilifeform: i can't guarantee that anyone will especially like the answer, if an answer were ever to appear.
BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking about the first, operates "correctly"
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 04:35:44; asciilifeform: 'suppose every program can be shortened by a line, and contains a bug. therefore all programs can be reduced to one line - which does not work.' - ???
kakobrekla: there is only non working code atm so stfu.
mod6: there is only better or best.
asciilifeform: because mathematically impossible.
mod6: there is no correctly.
mod6: well, they dont, for good reason
asciilifeform: my point earlier was not that dr. evil should force everyone somehow to use similar $widget, but that the whole 'monoculture is bad' concept exists in the popular mind solely because of microshit.
mod6: i don't think the question is why, it's how.
assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard
mod6: what I mean is, if your worried about everyone running the same code, 'safety critical code' wouldn't it be good to have some diversity of systems, and decentralized
asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here!
asciilifeform: mod6: you can probably download most of the info necessary to build a vintage mercedes benz.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> like, your whole reich goes down << wouldn't it be grand to have a spec so people can use that to build their own compliant reference implementation?
kakobrekla: you can skip the first option.
BingoBoingo: Code does what it is, without regard for the underlying
asciilifeform: one of the things pretty much no one (save possibly mircea_popescu) seems to comprehend is that bitcoin is, what old timers call - 'safety critical code'
asciilifeform: 'first the man takes a drink, then the drink takes a drink, then the drink takes the man'
asciilifeform: what other things?
mod6: what about like 69000 other things?
asciilifeform: mod6: idea being, among other merits, that in the future shedding the os entirely will be considerably easier.
asciilifeform: mod6: custom fs doesn't require an os-level turd, just a raw block device that the process is permitted to r/w.
BingoBoingo really wants the disorderly conduct case to fucking end
mod6: so, since we're talking about it, what would be the most idea env for such a reference implentation? a fully stripped openbsd with a custom fs & drivers?
BingoBoingo: My domicile was slow rolled by the local 5-0 about half an our ago so mzt misssspelt words
asciilifeform innocent of ab initio unixen, other than as school homework
BingoBoingo: mod6: I prefer the term Stanix
mod6: asciilifeform: perhaps. i worry that we're all of the sudden going to fork *bsd and make mpexos
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: From what I understand ECC is still a luxury sold to the discerning which the "cloud" is trying to handwave over
asciilifeform: mod6: idea was, blockchain, as potentially the majority user of future hdd space on planet, deserves own (ab initio) scheme of mapping to block device.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: I have wanted ECC ram for about a decade now, but never pulled the trigger on it
mod6: but sounds like we're getting into RE-ENGINEER ALL THE THINGS if we start to not trust whatever is already out there
mod6: the fs idea is sexy, and indeed ufs2 w/soft updates would be probably best, which is default for everything post fbsd 5 iirc.
assbot: Do you know the three main causes of prostatitis for teenagers - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: http://slashdot.org/submission/3947571/do-you-know-the-three-main-causes-of-prostatitis-for-teenagers
BingoBoingo: So I'm pricing used workstations. All of the opteron based stuff in the past 6 years is pretty equivalent, yes?
BingoBoingo: Going off of the concusion leap
dignork: yup, no dice: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Testnet - "Testnet3 is the current test network. It was introduced with the 0.7 release, introduced a third genesis block..."
dignork: nubbins`: btw if you're trying to boot the 0.5.3 version, try the -testnet first, the db is smaller, and it's supposed to contain borderline crazy transactions
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The indexing is slower.
nubbins`: downloading the blockchain is slooooow.
asciilifeform: them.
asciilifeform: she must've cleaned the last throne with eyes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as the history of that firm goes though he did start out though as an audio/speaker guy
asciilifeform: (theme of block devices...)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe both. Maybe they have a new firmware tool? They really wanted operators though because PC 9000 kept pissing Ben off.
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_BeGDkNRtA << non-obligatory, but goes with the theme
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: remember the fella who booted linux on dead 'seagate' pcbs ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Last I checked. They opened the Toronto lab entirely for recruiting russian speakers
BingoBoingo will now drop that http://datarecovery.com/about/ has been seeking russian speakers to operate "PC 9000" hard drive firmaware tool since I part timed there in 2004.
asciilifeform: ('metal port' being a hypothetical 'bitcoind' that boots up as x86 os)
asciilifeform: and crap directly therein.
asciilifeform: if we're talking about a humbler turd that runs on unix, it'd take /dev/sdwhateverthefuck'
mircea_popescu: so who are you going to steal the hardware drivers from
mircea_popescu: there is no way you can do anything novel and useful in terms of fs.
asciilifeform: meant - fs crafted for the occasion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you compress below fs layer then the fixed blocks thing is kinda a meh idea.
asciilifeform: http://www.lovethesepics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pampered-rats-at-rat-temple.jpg
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit << What, no warfarin in the milk?
asciilifeform: 30+gb << 40gB was the turd upon croaking
asciilifeform: they get milk dishes, but will happily nibble on the toes of the maths students who visit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform of course you realise with 1mb sectors the current size of the charade would be 30+ gb.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crab bus << reminds me of my consulting partner's tale of the rat temple in his home town
undata: then my joke is dead to me
undata: asciilifeform: how else were they supposed to hotfix it later?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's my expectation of 5yos, yes, but recently they make broken ones or something.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: well, that's part of why the comment states upfront you'll just get banned first time if you screw with the order - I just noticed kakobrekla's name so decided it'd be better to talk to him here first instead :p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah. encouraging how clearly you can see right through their bs.
nubbins`: _youraddictionbyplacinganotherbet.us
asciilifeform read that useless piece re: herr omidyar, kept waiting for it to mention his specialty as no. 1 hoarder and withholder of snowden turd. then saw that article is by 'greenwald, poitras, ...'
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu let them do 1. ill start with 0.
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr let us fight. we will see who the better coder is.
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: heh, well, the whole reason for that policy was because people kept fighting over order/positioning on that page XD
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually i just had my finger in the right cunt.
mircea_popescu: now the advantage to an actual fs is that since you know your blocks wil be 1mb tops, you can actually make the sectors 1mb size.
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: anything we can do to make it clearer? there should have been a comment at the top explaining
undata: well, you'll otherwise reinvent acid and whatnot yourself
mircea_popescu: undata i wouldn't loathe anything
undata: mircea_popescu: regarding db, would you loathe sqlite?
assbot: The Russian Computer That Ran On Water
undata: asciilifeform: http://gizmodo.com/5879106/the-russian-computer-that-ran-on-water ?
asciilifeform: my grandfather worked on a hydraulic computer. memory literally leaked.
asciilifeform: the secret of being a war...
nubbins`: leak all the memories
undata: the secret to being a whore is to fuck all
mircea_popescu: the secret to being a core is to leak all...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform and therefore the secret to being a whore is to fuck all ? << No, secret to being a whore is to be firm on prices.
mircea_popescu: the secret to being a store is to keep all...
asciilifeform: 'the secret of being a bore is to tell all'
asciilifeform: 'this here's the block where i stuffed $redacted'
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr will respect you authoritah on the wiki.
nubbins`: there's a wiki?
ben_vulpes: what these software cultists do -- has no bearing.
ben_vulpes: in the notion of testing with which I am familiar at least.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes. but you have to create the ill-behaved nodes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller listen, you ever got that cookieshop thing off the ground ? actually deliering ?
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: do I need to ban you from the wiki, or will you respect alphabetical order on the Gambling list from now on?
ben_vulpes: not being cpp competent, a useful thing for me to do is write a bash btc harness that points bitcoinds at each other for mining, tx validation, broadcast, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also remember that there is no deterministic test of bitcoind, nor can there be
mircea_popescu: well the b onus of leaking software is that it's guaranteed to act impredictably at least some of the time
asciilifeform: i suspect, though cannot say for certain, that there is nothing magic about 252448
nubbins`: there are larger blocks than 252448 before it
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: what the fuck.
asciilifeform: he has something grunted together that works almost like real computer
mircea_popescu: somehow ? how about "can't read the system logs no more!"
asciilifeform deliberately did not yet post debug.log, to encourage folks to run on their own
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform doesn't know who jolie is/was either, but no matter << Titless IRL Laura Croft
asciilifeform doesn't know who jolie is/was either, but no matter
BingoBoingo: On the plus side though B movies have never been this profitable ever in history thanks to netflix
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she's the sorta-fuckable cali blonde that tits-and-assgelina jolie massacred to get the mimbo at the time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah looks like an inverted porn career. chick turns 17 and 11 months, does 170 featurs that year, then 50 the next and then 2 a year to pay rent til 65.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Her career is sad because of the Sitcom curse. If one successfully does TV, the best they can hope for is to do Windows ads with Bill Gates as Seinfeld did.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're not serious if you don't put #ifdef book : turn page on the cover.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i was gonna toss the toy os
assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 18:53:30; assbot: Logged on 30-10-2014 17:09:54; asciilifeform: in other news, turd firmly wedged at block height 252450.
asciilifeform: your result will depend, at the least, on bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: ;;google jennifer aniston in that retarded film with the flares
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only thing us management has going for it generally is consistency anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: See, my reading of the story is that the Silicon Valley management style is even more broken than typical 'Murican MBA bullshit. <<< really, it's just a lot more inconsistent. meaning the scary stories are TRUELY scary.
kakobrekla: >It has been over 30 years since the distinguished Slovenian designer Davorin Savnik designed an Electronic Telephone Apparatus (ETA) 85 for Iskra. Beside the fact that it won numerous awards for design and that you can still see the phone being used today, the design got stolen and was a big hit in USA.
bounce: the samsung GT-E1107 is kinda cute except that the solar panel feature doesn't actually work very much at all.
asciilifeform: like the soviet one
kakobrekla: theres*
kakobrekla: there prolly one or two laying somewhere
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. Used to be GTE, then Verizon, now Frontier or muni fiber
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes> dafuq am i going to do with bt pop the chip out?
BingoBoingo needs to get a Western Electric for the return of dialup days
ben_vulpes: android too these days.
mircea_popescu: samsung, too cheap to even justify the paint to put a model number on it.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Who here prefers other phones?
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Inside Story Of Matt Taibbi's Departure From First Look Media - The Intercept <<< what they don't want to say is teh real scoop - "people heard about the qntra model and it killed anyone's will to life i nany competing project."
ben_vulpes: hammering out texts without even looking at the keypad
mircea_popescu: PeterL: why would they do that? <<< because they're business school majors, and this means social studies, and this means they don't understand that words carry meaning.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you got it. about the time i threw my hands up too.
ben_vulpes: what the ever loving fuck is a press list and--nevermind.
mircea_popescu: you might remember all the huge tada in 2013 re putting a bunch of derps on the "press list" and excluding matonis, on the grounds that the derps were well versed in things from wikipedia practice or something
BingoBoingo: Seems to happen to a lot of the 2011-2012 Americans
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo originally he was all excited about derpfoundation. back then we were on speaking terms, so i told him he's nuts. he thought i was nuts. then he got all unexcited, and left. then he came back. now he's leaving.
BingoBoingo suspects Matonis actually despises the monster he helped nurture
mircea_popescu: cazalla: my god this hag of a wife, god must be punishing by introducing her to me before bitcoin << tell us your pain brothar. we're the relationship support cult, among other things.
bounce wonders what this executive chief sellout thinks of that open letter posted by a member on their own forum
bounce: plenty people falling for the ruse though
mircea_popescu: bounce: did I get that about right? << "that bitcoin thing, aka some fiat nonsense trying to call itself bitcoin", rather than "this bitcoin thing" :)
BingoBoingo: undata: Well you also have to consider, anatomically that mean focusing on their left side and trying to slot in between just the right ribs, vs left side just hitting anything open and soft hoping for the abdominal aorta
mircea_popescu: (you have a lot of forward mommentum running for the 22 feet in 2 s)
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: yeah, victim could get on their back as a defense
undata: BingoBoingo: probably hence the 45
BingoBoingo: <mats_cd03> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jimmy_fatwing/Military/infantry_knife.htm << i was taught to kill a man with a knife prison-style; reduce distance to <20ft for purpose of sprint (2 second rule: a man can travel 22ft/2s), clinch the neck or bear hug the man while stabbing at the heart with 45 degree angle << Seems to be the only way justifiable from a self defense standpoint
mats_cd03: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jimmy_fatwing/Military/infantry_knife.htm << i was taught to kill a man with a knife prison-style; reduce distance to <20ft for purpose of sprint (2 second rule: a man can travel 22ft/2s), clinch the neck or bear hug the man while stabbing at the heart with 45 degree angle
mircea_popescu: so the plan is, a) make new processor file as ascii art in emacs
mircea_popescu: if you think satoshi's stuff can not be refactored to the point of rewriting, you're living inside a candy globe.