ben_vulpes: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2lexl2/here_is_why_the_hash_rate_jumped_and_took_a_dive/
mircea_popescu: but generally : trust-but-verify is the best model available.
mircea_popescu: i wish to see the camho that figures out how to submit fuck you to this thing.
asciilifeform awaits the patch whores
mircea_popescu: so then ?
asciilifeform: foundation, l2 trust of assbot << i'd suggest switching from the #b-a voices for the turdatron to l1 of jurov (or ben_vulpes?) - i.e., do we want the camgurlz submitting patches?
asciilifeform: on account of my peculiar profession, i am rather addicted to overturned screens.
mircea_popescu: i don't overturn them anyway.
mircea_popescu: to be fair tho, i have a coupla other machines, so i suppose that counts as multiple anyway.
asciilifeform: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time" << this is how i ended up with 4 screens (and counting...)
mircea_popescu: this is trivially accomplished, just include the two links.
mircea_popescu: so you mean you want jurov's thing to reference the charter you two signed ?
mod6: just was hoping for a daisy-chained document sigs in the public record
mircea_popescu: the key to a functioning computer isn't that "everything is on your screen at the same time"
mircea_popescu: mod6 srsly, i wouldn't worry about it. it's there, it's signed.
punkman: should I look into creating a utility that does the multisig hack?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: and as far as "[R.1]" it should probably encompass both of our signed submissions of the charter to deedbot
mircea_popescu: to keep it lighter. i suppose you could actually put the whole thing sure.
mircea_popescu: google will haet you otherwise.
punkman: mircea_popescu: might as well put the whole thing there (gotta fetch from db and decompress)
mod6: so there should be a R.1 secion to the submission to deedbot for the charter, and an R2 that ties back to his submission of the Treasurer's contract to the deedbot
mircea_popescu: punkman can there be 1st line of deed too ?
mod6: just jurov's submission to the deedbot
punkman: handy when you are searching http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/from/jurov (can also add /rss there)
mod6: and if both ben_vulpes and I sign that exact document with our keys, there is a tie back to the deed submitted by jurov
mod6: ok so this http://therealbitcoin.org/treasurer_contract.html is the contract with jurov's submission
mod6: anyone whom already submitted might need to re-submit, not sure if there is a way to pull previously submitted deeds.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, in a decade or two once gpg ios the only basis of commerce, identity and general life, that's going to be the #1 scam : here's this document. it's signed. just by me.
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's just, "jurov has self-appointed himself"
mircea_popescu: i've been trying to get them servers for a coupla years now.
mod6: thanks for getting the address setup for the foundation jurov & for signing on to be the treasurer for the Foundation
jurov: on that link there is a button
jurov: ben_vulpes" i told you several times: s'il vous plait, do register with the mailman. it will *not* register you automatically1
BingoBoingo: <satdav> mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this << If you must use GPG on windows at least compile it yourself. The extant gpg4win binaries have a dubious reputation
satdav: mircea_popescu: is their windows setup for this
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>
BingoBoingo: <PeterL> was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list? << Prolly not, he stops by here very rarely.
PeterL: was there a consensus as to if I should add prestonbryne.com to scoopbot's list?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur. << Small, affluent compared to the surrounding error.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: u.s. towns in this case are either prey or small change. tertium non datur.
BingoBoingo: <bounce> the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations << No, it happens. You just need a town that can get away with it. Muni internet exists here and had no serious opposition.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the very minimum, one ought to live on jurov's site. (at present, i don't see it there.)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the moment i'm leaning against the idea of distributing binaries of whatever kind being a good one
ben_vulpes: there's also a discussion to have about how to distribute
ben_vulpes: there's that for sure
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unless, naturally, we're waiting for the turdatron where we can all sign on the patches thus far (i'm all in favour)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: (from qntra) 'our project will likely discard the entire GUI in the near future' << already gone
asciilifeform: jurov: fix it before all the qntra readers laugh
asciilifeform: jurov's site still has the 1blabla... contract!
cazalla: you got the scoop this time scoopbot
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/introducing-a-new-bitcoin-foundation/
asciilifeform: "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin << can't rule this out, but this would play straight into my 'clever buggers after all' hypothesis.
asciilifeform: they ran into an earlier issue << likely involves db corruption. see earlier link, ~1hr ago
mircea_popescu: bounce no apparently they ran into an earlier issue
bounce: and the block problem is a DB handling problem, wasn't it? making swapping DB thingies a bit of a priority.
mircea_popescu: in other news, "man can't find door, sues shop"
assbot: The woman taking on Coles in a landmark case | Illawarra Mercury
cazalla: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/2677538/the-woman-taking-on-coles-in-a-landmark-case/ But Ms Mesnage encountered a number of problems with the Coles website, including being unable to select a delivery time for her groceries and complex navigation that meant it could take up to eight hours to place an order.
bounce: maybe the same reason why "modern" word-produced turds end up with more fonts than words
mircea_popescu: i think ima make a list of romanian cursing. the internet is appalling.
nubbins`: you'd see this occasionally in old letterpress shit, where the publisher ran outta type in the given font
mircea_popescu: yeah i was thinking, why em the "with"
mircea_popescu: but if there was a candidate for "magic packet" undocumented behaviour of the subverted gavin-bitcoin, this is it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and zapping the idiotic db corruption <<< there is more to this story, i doubt it's just "corruption". sadly i dun have the smoking gun.
mircea_popescu: (said fallback list being another thing that should go away, but iirc this was mentioned)
nubbins`: ("kissco? the fu...")
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, actually, by editing the fallback list and wiping its other methods of acquisition
bounce: would be worth it to trace a couple yourself and pick a good one, then force-feed it
nubbins`: the r is silent
bounce: can you force what node it'll fetch the blockchain from?
nubbins`: 60KB/s is probably the best upload speed i'll ever get from some random user
nubbins`: they're all slow as shit
mircea_popescu: obviously exact result can not be known, because the specification is gavin's mother's cunt.
nubbins`: only thing i know how to flush is the toilet
mircea_popescu: nubbins` flush the node.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bitcoin is being introduced today for the first time, plays out exactly as described.
mircea_popescu: obviously usgavin then failed to deliver on this, as on anything else. another broken promise.
asciilifeform: if sewer systems were introduced for the first time in today's usa, they would be an exotic and unobtainable thing. because would be unfair!!!11!! to 'private enterprise' fleets of honeywagons carting shit away for a dollar a turd.
bounce: the US does have a habit of starting some community initiative only to see it lobbied into the ground because it would be "unfair" to overpriced unwilling monopolistic large corporations
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's another one for the endless list : fix the motherfucking p0p implementation so it actually is p2p
z33andO_o: if you pick a slow one then it takes ages
nubbins`: huly fu-u-u-u-u-ck it takes a long time to download the blockchain
bounce: but it's all the more poignant for the excellent backbone infrastructure that really doesn't exist in africa
mircea_popescu: really, most of the "poor countries" are basically ohio minus us style cops. bout same facilities and amenties.
assbot: You Suck: America's Worst Broadband Cities Include Most of Upstate New York, Much of Ohio • Stop the Cap!
bounce: http://stopthecap.com/2014/11/04/suck-americas-worst-broadband-cities-includes-upstate-new-york-much-ohio/
mircea_popescu: and from there ownards.
mircea_popescu: the area (ie, 2d volume) of a circle (ie, 2d sphere) is pi r ^ 2. the area of a circle half as big ? pi (r/2) ^ 2. so therefore 3/4 of the sphere's volume is within the tophalf of its radius.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deliberately left the proof as exercise for the interested readers.
cazalla: i'll keep pasting em seeing scoopbot no longer has the scoop
nubbins`: fast to order... eating it in a reasonable amount of time is the problem
ben_vulpes: not that moving forwards to "version number" parity with the rangers is in any way a good idea, just to handle this crud.
ben_vulpes: i wonder if 0.6.3 shows the same behavior.
mircea_popescu: bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us." << depends on what you mean by get away.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how was the donairine
nubbins`: meantime, i may have something special lined up for the cover
ben_vulpes: because it fails to bring the whole chain down?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, whoever else: has anyone taken an interest in actually making the turd vaguely usable? namely, plugging the leaks (yes, all of them) and zapping the idiotic db corruption (supposedly 'rare': http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/2051)
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: work is going well, we just moved half the employees to the other side, of I have an office to myself now. Just sandwiches
ben_vulpes: jurov: i just pinged the turdolator and didn't get a bounce and don't see it in the archives.
chetty: anyway if you think about the overton window only letting you see the middle parts of the sphere it does explain a lot
asciilifeform: chetty: i'd love to know who is behind the delusion that 'mathematical ability' is the ability to mentally crunch small numbers quickly.
asciilifeform: if you understand pythagorean theorem, you can do this one.
chetty: unfortunately not that many people can follow the math of it
asciilifeform: chetty: more fun. because in many cases you can blow idiots straight out of the water, with rigorous mathematical rocket, with it.
chetty: all very true, but not as much fun as the first one asciilifeform
asciilifeform: chetty: unfortunately schwartz's original essay appears to be lost in the burned library of googlexandria - usenet archive.
asciilifeform: chetty: hence, 'extremist' solutions, as dimensions are added to a problem (seen as a 'spherical horse' of course) are largely where the answers lie.
asciilifeform: chetty: n-dimensional sphere, as n increases, has increasingly greater fraction of its volume closer and closer to the surface.
asciilifeform: chetty: al schwartz had the ultimate mindfucker of an explanation:
asciilifeform: to which i answer: toilet - is good to have. kitchen sink - also good. toilet and kitchen sink hybrid - no thanks. the 'middle ground' is an idiot delusion, generally.
asciilifeform: (for the malefactors who give cause for such discussions, not the participants therein)
asciilifeform: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2013-03/msg01535.html << when the firing squads at last for folks such as these?
cazalla: damn BingoBoingo, you were not kidding about that quantcast.. i had to get up early and chase the rubbish truck down the street as someone forgot to put the bins out last night :\
bounce: wonder if you could get away with telling the SEC, "we're being regulated by the bitcoin regulatory foundation so talk to them, not us."
kakobrekla: and they are in eu/uk/si
bounce: kinda curious since they're apparently registered in london.
bounce: so no meaningful reply except a stream of dox to be expected then. right.
bounce ran into an open tab with the purported cex/ghash sec letter. can't help but wonder what happened next.
asciilifeform: other than that, it's a perfectly living book.
asciilifeform: note that classical 'k&r' variant of the language used a now-archaic function declaration style. that extant compilers have less than perfect support for.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla:jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that << aha.
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mats_cd03: asciilifeform: know where i can find K&R 1st ed warez? ive only read 2nd ed, and i can't find the first through hefty googling.
mircea_popescu: US $133,700 to turn the new album into an hour long musical anime
mircea_popescu: anyway, there were all sorts of offers, matching gains, i dun recall it all.
jurov: as for WoL.. did you ever do any giveaways on trolltalk? such as coinroll raffles, they made wonders
mircea_popescu: it's constructed to support a certain ideology. that ideology does not include the user contributing anything.
mircea_popescu: granted that dismating it now is probably the worst possible outcome, way worse than never having implemented it in the first place.
bounce: lovely error message: "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." -- but naturally, DO NOT EVER show the poor user the list of supported protocols, because, you know, having the user guess is much better than showing what you do know.
punkman: for fellow snake charmers: http://pyrasite.readthedocs.org/en/latest/Shell.html
mircea_popescu: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/2012nationwidecountymapshadedbypercentagewon.svg <<< all the experience playing WoL tells us anything about this map ?
CheckDavid: Doesn't show up in closed either, but not impotant
CheckDavid: jurov: some gold bets come up, but i don't think its the one that i saw in the notification
mircea_popescu: "where should the searchbox advertise itself" is jurov's q.
jurov: when you put gold into the searchox, it won't come up?
mircea_popescu: the ultimate face splat experience. you don;t even know whom it's gonna end up on!
jurov: kako's preparing for another lauch
jurov: these kakobux
mircea_popescu: same people then derp all about how ipad is great, costs them a little more than 5 bux, delivers a lot less.
jurov: plus another two per withdrawal
mats_cd03: i don't mind the bitcent fees tbh
qntranet: Remove the scare factor a little bit
kakobrekla: jurov i think ppl dislike the ongoing costs associated with an account on cbr and advertising wont fix that. my humble opinion.
jurov: it is mentioned in the mpex faq
qntranet: it's tough to break into the media.
qntranet: I can afford to write an article. I don't have the 30 btc for Mpex (or I'd buy bitbet shares)
mircea_popescu: just so we know you came throug there.
qntranet: I know. Who knew? Just click the link and I'm qntra?
qntranet: following the link to contact cazala
mircea_popescu: it's gotten to the point where trying to be taught something in the us is a worse gambit than just not washing.
mircea_popescu: `--- `--- `--- awkward patter bullshit with the headcharge movement to boot
mircea_popescu: incredible how much a few years change in the third world.
mircea_popescu: myeah. i remember the days a coupla years ago that used to be a part of the conversation.
mircea_popescu: soo, unrelatedly : the republicans now own the house, majority in the senate, a bunch more governors...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they're bitching about fossil fuels. here's an idea, libertard lobby : your understanding of bitcoin is going to fix the problem you imagine is "global warming". why hate ?
mircea_popescu: seriously, you couldn't have dug up boston for a decade if there wasn't government to make it cost 10 trillion.
mircea_popescu: bounce: there, science tells you what language to use, the size of team to pick, and the size of commits to commit. get to it, slackers! thank science! <<< this science allowed me to win the lottery for fifty eight times in a row by always wearing the same shirt i wore when i won the first time.
starzz_: in there. Don't know why it's not showing up here (otc it did)
mircea_popescu: heh. maybe get in the wot first eh.
starzz_: Hello. I want to join the cult
mircea_popescu: kids need clear signals to be able to live their lives rather than dream their lives, and encouraging this stupidity is the wrong signal.
mircea_popescu: and on the other hand into the business side of "your ideas are worthless, and what your head produced can't even be called an idea in any sense" i used to rant about back in 2013ish.
mircea_popescu: this dovetails into stans permabitch about the "mathematizing" and "proofs" issues in general computation theory
mircea_popescu: punkman honestly, i do not believe the empty wankfest of these schmucks "having ideas" and resolving theoretical problems in theoretical ways should in any shape or form be encouraged.
mircea_popescu: bezzle butts, what do they know.
mircea_popescu: well the bidet IS for pizde. and i guess for dudes cursed with a cock so short
kakobrekla: <jurov> and qntra is the sink < bidet you mean prolly
mircea_popescu: then by october he was already making preparatory moves.
assbot: And Gavin moves on to the dark side. The Bitcoin project is officially hijacked pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: punkman fwiw, http://trilema.com/2013/and-gavin-moves-on-to-the-dark-side-the-bitcoin-project-is-officially-hijacked/ was july 2013.
jurov: and qntra is the sink
kakobrekla: that the toilet
kakobrekla: i see you just flushed everything down the toilet
assbot: FAQ on the payment protocol
kakobrekla: sometimes i go through the pending list and just delete what i dont see worthy
kakobrekla: one thing to note jurov, when you approve, do them in order from top down
mircea_popescu: this one is only there for russian speakers, because in english u never crosses the barrier to a, nor w (a sort of u) to v
jurov: wow, it has even another meaning?
punkman: well someone had the idea in 2011 at least, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52715.5
punkman: oh never mind, they generate fake addresses like the first deedbot. http://vog.github.io/bitcoinproof/
jurov: on the root anal
mircea_popescu: punkman not only am i not loading google js pilefest sites, but is the dude even in the wot ?
mircea_popescu: somehow the quotes collected together get FUNNIER than they were in the logs. http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=304 << had me laughing out loud.
mircea_popescu: a sad testament to the poor quality of healthcare offered before obamacare became a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's a shame that most people go to their graves with 99%+ intact bodies.
mircea_popescu: punkman: have these people been outside the lab? << no dude, "corrupted bit" count totally is the correct proxy for insurance claims.
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin isn't a security, if they say it's a security, they would be the first government in the world to give Bitcoin that sort of value or endorsement." << reading between the lines, "leadership coach" that doesn't understand either bitcoin or his jurisdiction is shitting his pants.
nubbins`: fun fact, poutine is a common "first solid food" for babies in northern canada
jurov: only long after i discovered these "canadian foods"
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jurov: well... when i was in vancouver, my relatives there obviously knew better than to introduce us to poutine and donair
mircea_popescu: DON THE CROWN!
assbot: Muster the troops
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mircea_popescu: comes from the danube.
nubbins`: halifax-style donair sauce is the best thing
assbot: The devil is real: little girl tells Christian preacher to shut up - YouTube
nubbins`: enough is enough! order a jumbo meat lovers and send the donair sauce to the property owner!
mircea_popescu: lol "the yours one" j is adoooohrable!
jurov: so the solution is very easy
nubbins`: one thing the castellanos did right
nubbins`: would love to see o'dea's face when he gets the bill
mircea_popescu: right. 6 grunts for 2 hours + driver counted as 2 = 160 bux. 80 for the truck, provided you don't actually have a deal and get it for 6k or so a month.
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 21:08:35; asciilifeform: the age-old mistake of provocateurs - thinking their master's promises are to be kept
mircea_popescu: generally, nubbins wars against people owning half the street go pretty predictable.
nubbins`: this is maybe the 5th time in 3 years i've made this happen ;/
nubbins`: i already pay plenty by living next to the guy
mircea_popescu: i'm giving even odds the guy doesn't end up paying for it.
kakobrekla: property owner , no matter what the cost to the owner! Enough is enough! < ask for pgp signed statement, email isnt safe.
kakobrekla: Please arrange to have this removed immediately and billed directly to the
nubbins`: plastic is the new wood
nubbins`: anyway, good on the city, i guess; reattaching the deck is way cheaper than dismantling it and hauling it to the dump
nubbins`: ^ that little bit of white trim is where the door used to be
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