a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:33 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877949 <-- ftr, v.py was the first vtron that I read, and I think it's a great didactic implem (though nowadays esthlos v is imho a good competitor in that field)
asciilifeform: i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust
asciilifeform: spyked: the other headache is that google's orig boot rom will format your hdd if you forget to hit ctrl-d on coldboot
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877921 <-- noted. this placement of heathen os in the bootstrapping process is indeed big problem and I hadn't previously considered it.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 <-- doing the regrind, I also had the sense that "this is akin to fitting lego pieces together in order to obtain meaningful result". and I'm pretty sure there's a log line describing v patches this way, but I couldn't find it.
auctionbot: BingoBoingo: Eggog: Please express the opening bid as a positive integer
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:14 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263
asciilifeform: ( and iirc he in fact undershot the probability by an order of magnitude, when calculating )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 15:53 mircea_popescu: though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877980 << l. szilard's proposition that los alamos nuke might chainreact atmosphere, was neither moar nor less 'insane'
asciilifeform: ( loox like it's 1 of those 'haha, he thinks he has courage, let him sit in gulag! see how much courage then!' sorta flames )
asciilifeform: kinda smacks of ye olde 'bagdad battery' ( i.e. 'they ~could~ have, and we found these-here vaguely suggestive pot shards..' )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you know of specifics re the 'millenia' item, i'd be quite curious to see, 1st time i hear of this notion (outside of the hindu nationalist lolcows, who are deadly certain that they had nuke and supercomputer 'millenia' ago also.. )
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: this also gives me another reason to take diana_coman's V setup for a spin (http://ossasepia.com/2018/11/13/v-with-vtools-keccak-hashes-and-its-own-tree/)
lobbes: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << this is pretty cool Spyked. I'ma give your regrind of logbot_command_router_python_genesis a test and if it all presses I'll sign
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, it's only called vaccination to convey the (at the time important) notation that "it's like variolation, but with cow bits". because exposure to variola infected tissue had been used for half a century or more by then.
mircea_popescu: which isn't insane in any sense, on the contrary, ~fucking reasonable~.
mircea_popescu: the perfectly sound logic being that "if we follow the proponents, and believe stuffing human with selecrted bits of beef, has medical effects of a type, why not believe it has medical effects of another type!"
mircea_popescu: though, the important part isn't of course "how insane that was", but rather ~how reasonable~. the reason it's even called "vacca-cination" is because original 1800s version preceded a good understanding of microbics, and was purely "if this done, this comes out" black boxk of human body approach. used literal chunklets of infected cow to generate immunity in humans to DIFFERENT strain of virus (ie, measles, like cowpox, same
mircea_popescu: and all this just because women take on the personality of the cock they wrap around.
asciilifeform: 'biological horn' made comebacks when blood transfusion 'oh noez, will subsume personality of donor' and then in '80s for pig organs and whoknows nao
mircea_popescu: yeah but the more biological horn seems more interesting to me. the other just stale dry biscuit.
mircea_popescu: turns out there's a 2010 version of "mp has spaceship wtf"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea olympus lives 4evah, but asciilifeform is making a serious stab at rolling with the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 release calendar
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want to link in dec. snsa broadcast, the nov '18 ch's are 12A, 12B, 13 .
asciilifeform still carrying on with the promise given in ch1 , 'you oughta be able to eat a ch in ~1hour'. tho i do not know if succeeded to date, so far no one said how long it took'em to eat
asciilifeform: ( ch14 in particular, is the most algebra-heavy ch to date, and it's beginning to look like i'ma have to cut it in 2 as i did with ch 12 )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 10:26 spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html <-- seems to have been lost in friday's deedbot downtime.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877907 << my orig proof-of-concept v.py did not Do Right Thing on multiple branches in some tree shapes ( iirc phf orig discovered this effect, yrs ago ) , prolly i oughta rewrite the relevant piece , given as some folx other than asciilifeform apparently still want to use v.py
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 13:08 mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877916 << to date we've had both types of regrind ( e.g. diana_coman reground 'mpi' into 1 genesis, for use in smg ; ffa on other hand had a 'history-preserving' regrind , http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2743 ; and iirc mod6 is baking a 'history' regrind for trb ; diana_coman had 'history' regrind for eucrypt; and possibly i missed somebody in this list )
asciilifeform: http://summaries.logs.esthlos.com << last update : nov. 2. which is a shame, imho these were a++ summaries
a111: 2018-10-23 <esthlos> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-19#1864316 << apologies alf, I'm running behind! trying to gather time to get caught up in the next week or two
mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877917 << If this is regarding payment for the 9.5k wFF, I sent payment at the beginning of November, Sir: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-30#1867587 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-01#1868263
asciilifeform: spyked: keep in mind that to do almosg anything useful with the box, requires the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2415 cable
asciilifeform: if you can build it, potentially quickest pill is to transplant the trad fs logic from uboot to it ( google's shitware demands that the kernel lie on a custom googlistic partition, and be 'signed' with their sad-rsa in custom format etc )
asciilifeform: ( theoretically theirs is 'open sores' but building it requires a multi-GB toolchain that i never succeeded in getting to run )
asciilifeform: what i never had time to bake is a working replacement for their faux-uboot thing.
asciilifeform: ( the 'signing' shitware, that is )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 10:39 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875947 <-- hm. so I'm seeing a few distinct problems here. 1. de-googlifying the bootloader (and getting rid of the cr50 mess); 2. using a non-googlistic kernel; and 3. replacing the rootfs with a cuntoo userspace. if I understood correctly, then 2 depends on googlistic signing software because of 1, but 3 should be doable either way (if anything, ave1's compiler is a more immediate requirement to get
mircea_popescu: might as well, seems eminently the right time and place for such testing.
mircea_popescu: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-147.0-147.65 << nice work. imo this is a fine golden standard, "test all noted V implementations on a regrind/regenesis."
mircea_popescu: previous thinking was generally that a regrind pretty much means collapsing a whole tree into a single genesis patch. but thinking about it i don't see why that has to be the case, if there's the hands to do more fine work.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-08 18:50 diana_coman: in other possible interesting things: I got invited to give a talk to students at local uni (Reading, UK) on "bitcoin and blockchain"; personally I'm not all that keen on it but given the recent ideas regarding reach out and all that, I am at least considering this; any input on this is welcome
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-08#1859582 -> following up on this, the presentation will happen next Monday (10th December), 4.15pm GMT; it's one hour only so I'm not that sure there will be enough time to get online at the end of it but who knows, maybe some students will actually get it and even... do something with it
spyked: anyway, I got the c101pa because I need a lightweight machine for travelling. so I might as well assess whether it's possible to build a somewhat sane system on it for productive work.
spyked: the userspace built).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 14:51 asciilifeform: presently, cuntoo won't run there (even if trinque's process can be coaxed into building arm64 bins) cuz it has no way of blessing the kernel.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875947 <-- hm. so I'm seeing a few distinct problems here. 1. de-googlifying the bootloader (and getting rid of the cr50 mess); 2. using a non-googlistic kernel; and 3. replacing the rootfs with a cuntoo userspace. if I understood correctly, then 2 depends on googlistic signing software because of 1, but 3 should be doable either way (if anything, ave1's compiler is a more immediate requirement to get
spyked: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html <-- seems to have been lost in friday's deedbot downtime.
hanbotectomy: ty, they're telling me all's as expected
hanbotectomy: howdy, thanks BingoBoingo, greetings all from the laproscopic appendectomy recovery chamber.!
asciilifeform raged. hence prepared microscope slide with the thing in formaldehyde, for if anyone ever walks in bukovsky to link..
mircea_popescu: "He used to regard our conspiratorial fussing with the indulgent air of a grown dog watching puppies at play." << which is why they were looking for "bold" taciturns. "oh look, as close to adults without adults we can get!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this sounds like the kanzure klub.
mircea_popescu: "Afterward, at the next assembly, you had to recommend him and present him to the others under an assumed name. If no one objected, he became a member of the organization and joined in the common work." << how the fuck would anyone object ? THEY HAVE NFI WHO IT IS.
asciilifeform: hole without doughnut, iirc is the technical term.
mircea_popescu: "Naturally he at once sounded you out about the possibilities, and you gravely and meaningfully gave him to understand that intelligent people didnt discuss such nonsense; that the organization didnt have any political aims. Aha! he would nod enthusiastically, hastening to make it clear that he too was an intelligent man and realized you couldnt talk about such things aloud."
mircea_popescu: it's basic shit test even fucking today in gringolandia. go up to girl in bar, "hey baby, wanna leave together ?" 80% or so odds she comes back with "can you get drugs" in some shape or form.
mircea_popescu: peppered with the usual "elected impotence" bs. "make sure they have no criminal connections ?!" what the everloving fuck, no male's worth two bits if he doesn't at least KNOW the local boss wtf.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why they do this stupid woman thing. the only thing this "organization" is good for is to report which shop now has flour. or w/e, "unde s-o bagat lapte", where's the cheap kid shoes, stuff of this nature.
asciilifeform: or the oregon ranchers etc
mircea_popescu: it definitely sounds like the "neonazi" morons would have come up with, yes. bois with 0 life experience.
mircea_popescu: all the "we're project managers and this is our sikrit club" wank ?
asciilifeform: the 'organization' lulz
asciilifeform: yes but linked for other point
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the guy has a solid point, continuing with the "soviet republic is actual republic" notions became well impossible for thinking man in the 50s. the whole trotsky thing hadn't done it, but by the time of hungartian uprising...
BingoBoingo: Sure, matter taken from black lives will occasionally burn a QuikTrip gas station in the heat of passion, but... the UStards just aren't social enough to organize on their own
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NvtlH/?raw=true << the imho somewhat interesting gibblet of his mega-b00k.
asciilifeform: in misc lulz, i located an eng translation of bukovsky. historically i've avoided reading him, couldn't get past the fact that he not only ran off to 'anti-sov' for usg, but works there with gusto ~today~.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Of course it comes with the realization that popular fever dreams aside, the US tards don't appear to be as capable as the French
mircea_popescu: gotta start somewhere, and it ain't gonna be the you're/your distinction.
BingoBoingo: That plus a little bit Monsanto 710 (apparently 710 is replacing 420 among anglotards because instead of smoking week they vaporize Monsanto weed oils like crack)
BingoBoingo: But still the juxtaposition "its Mexicans people have the bad wrap that you deserve" to "Nooooo your costa rican so your a fucking spik. You Spaniard bred fucks."
BingoBoingo: "we had technologies and mathematics from higher beings" << LOL, We Waz Kangz!
BingoBoingo: HAHAHA, just got to the spik rant
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking funny tho, utterly fucktarded pantsuit moron imagining "india" is a definite reference to something, "nation of africa" style, and then, if that weren't enough, adding "armenian" to it. because yes, totally, the armenians, those indian fucks.
mircea_popescu: is this like that time kramer saved the half-man half-pig army mutant ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is agriculture an industry now ?
BingoBoingo: "stop fucking up the weed industry" << LOL
mircea_popescu: by now they're pretty entertaining, this last crop of femfricans.
asciilifeform: stalin had an imho quite prophetic uttering, 'when i'm buried they will pile shit sky high on my grave, but wind of history will blow it away' .
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877821 << it apparently aint in the log, as such. but iirc there was some pantsuit reddit-wank campaign to try an' turn mircea_popescu into a sort of 'mad beria' in 'eye of history' or somesuch nonsense, that was supposed to pin on that phrase
asciilifeform: orc political theatre has this quality, where they get carried away and lose all sight of plausibility / lifelike sin, and create a 'french, british, and japanese spy coprophagiac cannibal rapist' .
asciilifeform: ( didja know... he had a '#metoo'-style parade of chix, even, for the occasion, 'he raped! and i saw meat grinder! and he coprophagia'd!' etc. x9000 )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 08:53 mircea_popescu: (now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e. that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle or the bur
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877819 << i saw the film and quite familiar with the 'mad beria' ~stereotype~. simply was not able to find any evidence for it that doesn't genesis-block in hrusch's show trial and Official 'unmasking' .
asciilifeform: nao, on other hand, 'cyclical histories' where 'confederacy of dunces' gangs up and dethrones their betters, and then whole edifice turns to shit, from shit grows sumthing new, etc. -- this i can buy, we're quite evidently in the trough of that sinusoid just nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: poul anderson had a hilarious novella, 'brainwave', where people were quite like your crabs in that there turned out to be a 'stupidity field' surrounding our chunk of galaxy, which came and went. but i dun know of any real-life reason to introduce that hypothesis.
BingoBoingo: !Qlater tell ben_vulpes Here's the requested numbers, enjoy http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/pfgtX/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: "all the crab kings at the times of high tide were great crabs and great kings... whereas at low tide..." "dude, you live in a tidal ecosystem!" "wut ?"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-02#1877782 << the risky part of "results speak for themselves" is that well... "clinton fixed the economy". cause and effect not always readily associable in complex systems.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 03:55 asciilifeform: whereas their predecessors' results speak for themselves.
mircea_popescu: (now, all four are demented, a point unrelated to whether they rape any of the kids or w/e. that's what kids are for anyway, and besides, who the fuck cares. the problem is, specifically, that their brains don't work, and don't work in a strictly typical, almost commedia dell'arte highly structured sense. the histrionic valletti or the copacetic anyones-weird-quiet-uncle-that-touches-the-little-nieces quintavalle or the bur
mircea_popescu: so much so as to even inform the specific choice of casting.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've seen p p pasolini's salo, but i always thought cataldi's role ("the bishop") was specifically patterned after beria.
mircea_popescu: demented means something akin to "this computer is waltzing the ram", not something akin to "this computer is displaying stuff not within code of conduct".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 23:41 asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877727 << note for the record that the argument isn't whether he ate them or not. the argument is whether he had functional behaviours under his own control or not.
mircea_popescu: turns out... 0 items needed my attention since your last comment, on the 28th. a bunch auto-marked though.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:33 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the biggest threat to parked cars is people parking their own cars. According to local lore plastic bumpers make vechicles immune to low speed collision damage and so when parking local will force a parking spot into existence
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877381 << fucktards do that in italy, too. will push the car round the fucking block during a few hours.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:31 asciilifeform: it's rather like molestation of cow in india
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 19:21 asciilifeform: btw a very good chunk of the present-day cad monopoly biz is powered by tech written by bolix escapees. i tracked some of'em down ( and no they dun answer my mail... ) , they built the current cad houses.
asciilifeform: or was it 'red southern rose', lol
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 04:10 ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hrm, where even was that thing. could've sworn it was in log. << You flipped the words
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: tyvm, will anotate and dispatch the transactions in a few hours. About to take a second walk tonight (cold wind == Indoor Uruguayos)
a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 04:05 ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 17:38 asciilifeform: the notion that sumbody might turn away from 'modernity' consciously, rather than because alzheimer patient, apparently is a bridge too far for some folx
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-30#1876430 << old-timey DSP/IC gent i hired for degrading mobile ui work recently overheard myself and teh boss riffing on john denver; boggled: "that music is older than either of you! in chorus: "sure beats ~anything recorded in our lifetimes, though"
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: send me pizarro transactions s'il vous plait, note payments for service in advance; i'll put them into the hopper and produce statement numbers. asciilifeform: next girthy table and calculation to write is the customer equity tracker, i will draft and populate with historical data over the next few days and let you know if i hit any puzzlers (low odds, i'm well-acquainted with the process).
asciilifeform: hrusch & co, on contemplation, have all the credibility of 'woodcollector'.
asciilifeform: an' proceeded to tell themselves, and 'historians', all kindsa bedtime stories.
asciilifeform: without time machine cannot say which ver. but overall picture invites itself inevitably , that what happened was exactly that the kakobreklas ganged up & killed their mircea_popescu , and put on his regalia.
asciilifeform: ( incidentally, yet 3rd version is b's son's, who to his grave insisted that father was killed in his office, without surrendering , 'binladen-style' . )
asciilifeform: also describes how the usurpers could not decide who is to actually do the wet work ( per serov, beria was killed several days into captivity, not 6mo when Officially 'sentenced' )
asciilifeform: serov describes the coup in some detail, in particular the times & places where various folx who would have gotten in the way, were neutralized
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 22:19 asciilifeform aficionado of autobios of the period -- most recently, serov's. and this element -- recurs.
asciilifeform: there are other bits an' pieces. for instance, diaries of serov ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672808 ) were found in 2000s . fwiw i read. the usual rotters all 'fecal consensus' that they are a forgery, but i'm actually sold ( not convinced that they were printed ~uncut~, sure , but that not outright fabrication -- convinced )
asciilifeform: again -- impossible to authenticate 'did he ? or donation of constantine' w/out time machine.
asciilifeform: not exact, no. but in the style of my http://ave1.org/2018/%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE-%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%89-%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%B5%D1%80/#comment-100 translations.
asciilifeform: there's a preserved communique from stalin to hrusch, where the latter served up umpteenth list of meat grinder candidates and stalin replied 'rejected, have measure, idiot'
asciilifeform: ( hrusch for instance is known to have pinned a good coupla 10k corpses that he was himself the author of, on beria )
asciilifeform: it isn't impossible that he did; but in so far as i can tell 100% of that narrative comes from the folx that killed him & danced on the corpse
mircea_popescu: yet conversely, he might actually be the imago of what later came to be "sluggish schizo". man went nuts in his middle age, or so they thought (or so i suspect they thought).
asciilifeform: b was personal friend, incidentally, of stalin; the latter persuaded him , not w/out difficulty, to come out of his local gig in sunny south and work in 'big league'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:27 asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
asciilifeform: but per my pov , as 'fan' and chronic eater of just about any period material that can be squeezed from the dried mummies , is that beria was a prime mover of all sortsa http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877568 .
mircea_popescu: stalin certainly was. "designated successor" my foot, if he lived another 18 months they'd have all been decorating pikes, beria first.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wouldn't have been 'rehash of nep' that other players indignant over, but ~their removal~, d00d was, i suspect, getting set to clean house.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, "market system" entirely meaningless in the man's context. it's like "moses let it slip he's in favour of nuclear weapons". for the other thing, LENIN came up with the fucking neps. nobody was going to be all that indignant over rehash. in short it predicates both meaning and effect projected from an outside world.
asciilifeform: ( and to tie this into the other subthread -- by some accts, beria let it slip that he was in favour of 'transition to market system' of some variant. 2 wks later, nailed , actor played him at show trial in 6mo )
mircea_popescu: or w/e, the scientology head muppet, closer example.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to finish k thread -- my read was that his contemporaries read him in the vein of "promising but sadly insane". this happens with some regularity, napoleon himself one thin hair away.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform recently probed pet, re whether there was a figure like e.g. matrosov, in ameri-folklore. all she could think of was a 1800s mythical character who 'died with hammer in his hand' trying to out-steam a steam hammer
mircea_popescu: that's the important part there, as usual off screen : "while this was going on, dad was busy doing actually important shit -- because no, neither cat nor its spawn are it"
mircea_popescu: A MOTHER. a heroic mother, losing eye ~in performance of her unworthy of praise or much mention duties~.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway -- the korgyn fellow is remarkable (and remarkably funny) because he managed to come up with a 100% worst-of-all-worlds plan of nonsense.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is one of the folx who do not regard stalin-on-throne and rockets-fly as a mere coincidence.
asciilifeform: i'm prolly the wrong fella to do it tho, very much not unbiased, i'll still like the character even if time machine supplies incontrovertible proof that he was a cannibal and ate hot chix erry morning for breakfast
asciilifeform: ( at some point i'ma have to do a serious with-bib-refs treatment of the subj in engl., afaik none exists ! )
a111: Logged on 2015-03-04 01:20 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact
a111: Logged on 2015-10-07 13:51 asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-13 22:28 asciilifeform: it's rather like how when they shot lavrentiy beria -- pile the crimes onto 1 d00d, then flush him, and it's as if the enablers 'never happened'
asciilifeform: if asciilifeform could pick b/w working for obummer & co, and beria, would pick the latter any day of week.
asciilifeform: ( whether in between being bluebeard, or not, fact remains )
asciilifeform: ( and then turned into a kinda 'bluebeard' in Official Troof )
asciilifeform: the troof, to the extent i was able to get at it, was that the d00d was ~soft~ and 'modernization'-inclined. and hence got nailed.
asciilifeform: it's exactly like going with suetonius re the emperors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i looked into the 'deranged', virtually 100% of the extant sources are tainted with hrusch & co.
mircea_popescu: "name how many heroic worker hours for this fridge! THE SACRIFICE IS RIGHT!!!")
mircea_popescu: his idea was, summarized by someone who's not retarded like they were : that if a) portions of industrial production get redirected to consumer goods and b) the state media finds a vanna white in the zaporoje countriside, then c) soviet union can turn into a large game of stakhanovist jeopardy.
asciilifeform: ( successfully conspired with other 3rdraters to kill beria, the designated kronprinz )
mircea_popescu: then brejnev let a certain kosgyn be "boss of economy". and then they had an electoral dispute, as to who should lead. kosgyn came with the lulziest perestroika v0.1a you ever saw)
mircea_popescu: (likbez : su was "dictatorship", nevertheless, brejnev got place by talking to everyone about ousting nikita, which then happened even though the retard got wind of the plan, because he was a retard. just like in dictatorship amirite.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, you recall the lulz of kosygin's programme ?
mircea_popescu: i recall the endless hordes of pantsuit "free women" going there to whore out to him a little for a few decades. what they said at the coffin... w/e, you know how old the dood was ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-18 17:54 asciilifeform: ( 'stierlitz walked on the streets of berlin. mueller recognized that he was a soviet spy, but not because of the ppsh machinepistol clumsily slung across his shoulder, and not because of the parachute he dragged behind him, but because of the maker tag on his waistcoat, 'bolshevikess', which in typical russian slopiness had not been torn off.'
asciilifeform: ( recall the bacchanalia of bloodlust when defeat of ghaddaffi , among pantsuit )
mircea_popescu: imo they live in a female (see http://trilema.com/2011/epifania-cu-pedofilia/ ) hatred of beta bois pretending to my regalia. which, honestly, can hardly ever be faulted.
mircea_popescu: this has not been my observation, but then again.
asciilifeform: they live in a 'zoological' hatred of actual people, and nail'em whenever the occasion permits
mircea_popescu: nobody would even have any objection, if they didn't ineptly get into the way of actual people now and again. (though in fairness it's vastly in the sense of "bus got in way of old man").
asciilifeform: erry yr or so they hang 1 , ' pour encourager les autres '
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the usg lands are constructed out of idiots "making laws" and idiots "following laws". these two are interchangeable, and the system works well for the lowest common denominator.
asciilifeform: evidently there aint enuff selection pressure.
mircea_popescu: in chickens that's rather needed w/o all they do is "fly" balistically into nearest road.
asciilifeform: revisiting upstack, the pokerists -- i am led to conclude that usg's inquisition is not particularly vigorous , or the paypalistic poker dens would have gone to sane place as dodo bird
BingoBoingo: Some chickens need the feather clipping too. Knock a bit off one side and all they can do are small circles
mircea_popescu is not a duck expert, but afaik not that much expertise to be had. you can clip their feathers.
mircea_popescu: bad genetics, bad nutrition, bad culture, who the fuck knows.
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi how flight program worx in the bird
mircea_popescu: eh, there's infinitely better things to sad over, than the idle contemplation of the intricacies of "why this goat is not boar".
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot had a post somewhere addressed to 1 of these, 'yer already in prison'
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:13 danielpbarron: that wouldn't be the worst thing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw current-day ru ( and great num of other places ) still has 'male hut' army
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same as "state of the art" of strippers, if you recall that lengthy lulz. 100% moved to http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
mircea_popescu: which is why so thoroughly reviled by the http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ ; especially in "male" flavouring.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877611 << what's the current state of the art re pokerism, anyway ? has it moved to 100% btc yet , or are idiots still being gassed when they cash out in paypalade and travel to reich 'vacation resorts' for no apparent reason ?
mircea_popescu: which is the important part of THAT kind of army, not "winning chechen war", but "here we sit in boy hut, waiting for feathers to grow on -- if they take long time, have no one to blame but self"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg never had army in the sense here contemplated. had "selective draft" or w/e.
asciilifeform: upstack, since we're connecting loose dots... father's generation pissed away su; never knew famine. grandfather's -- built, knew.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:05 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for instance prolly good for three or four hangings, simply on what's in the l0gz
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877609 << there's even a vacant rk, available to danielpbarron .
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:11 mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877608 << pogo is a 256MB ram / 2core / 800MHz box, and takes up considerable vertical space if you mount the sata disk ; rk is a 2GB / 4core / 1.8GHz box, and takes up 2cm of vertical ( and there is existing rack of'em )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 22:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877602 << there's listed pricing for 'rk', 'rk + fg', you get 1 of the pizarro stash with the latter.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877589 << aa but asciilifeform had some exposure to folx who were 'old' but not quite old enuff for having been in the war. ~these~ were 'generic old'.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:51 mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:50 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877582 << sorta why asciilifeform is an 'old-time su' fan, of sorts. thing was run ottoman-style, 'these are our slaves, let's keep them in decent quarters, actual milk, etc', 'let's build rockets so barbarian invader thinks twice' , etc. 'phree world' sees the plebe as moar of a game animal than farm horse, 'if dies, dies'. turns out, makes for objectively shittier existence for near-errybody.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:36 mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of that shithole.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so why not just use one on the box, send nothing ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose they'd host a pogo for you, but latest thinking here is that not rly worth the amps.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877303 << im sure they'll even host one of yours. didn't you have a crate of them or such ?
mircea_popescu: "yay team! we get the benefits of vicarious athelticism!!" "in the sports bar ?" "of course!" "what benefits are those ?" "FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!"
BingoBoingo: At the time of 9/11 first WTC attack had largely been forgotten in favor of OKC event
BingoBoingo: Merkel hadn't driven this new EU thing into the Mud and the Russians had a long rebuild in front of them
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877296 you know, not like you couldn't use a fg. there's code ready made by smg for all this
mircea_popescu: close the book, let's go to bed.
BingoBoingo: The SU may have had the loss of Stalin shock, but my generation grew up in gringostan on a solid diet of "end of history"
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:31 asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
mircea_popescu: any attempt to reconstruct this argument (yeah, but the tea -- coca leaves!!!) dies the same death, ultimately. "this nonsense could only be interesting to morons" "that's ok, we here in gringostan proud country of morons" "and how do you expect to survive on any sort of time horizon ?" "WE SPREAD AGITPROP RE BENEFITS OF STUPIDITY ALL OVER GLOBE!!! WORK PAYS LATER, LAZY PAYS NOW!!!"
mircea_popescu: if you tally up the list of "well, since we got engine with turbine we get air conditioning free anyway" on either side, usg is an eyesore, and the argument becomes "steam engine locomotive won race because could offer free tea to passenger ; whereas diesel-electric lost because who wants free electricity anyway".
a111: Logged on 2014-11-24 22:58 asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
mircea_popescu: n of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-24#933189 ). similarily, su books free, because. su collegiate education, free, because. su pineapple expensive, because who the fuck is paying dole its ransom ; but su milk cheap, because. and so on in this vein -- su hospital free, but does not work like gringo hospital. you know ?
a111: Logged on 2018-07-06 18:46 mircea_popescu: (ro used the prefab construction process -- first, send mining equipment, flatten land ; then, put in rail ; then, roll out a rail crane, and roll prefab on cars up to it ; then move the derivation
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:23 asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877555 << in fact, atari is terrible example. consider : su housing free, BECAUSE industrial construction process (discussed pluriously eg http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832377 ) existed, and might as wqell make hruscheba as wartime-replacement-machining-plant-in-six-weeks-in-ural-jungle (which is wat it was invented for, "industrial" meant a specific thing cca 1941, something in the vei
mircea_popescu: those 16 months doing pushups and fucking the mud, those happened. your dad was army grunt was he not ?
asciilifeform: there's ye olde 'comfort breeds idjicy' hypothesis, but it's a 'what' and not a 'how'
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't a generation reproduce the previous ? if not formally, at least the larger chunks of substance ?
asciilifeform: as a larva i had nfi ~why~ the 'grandfathers' were made of diff stuff, quite evidently to naked eye, than errybody's fathers, but was clear that they were.
asciilifeform: last gen that worked with stalin and was actually answerable for results, with the psychodynamics of 'it worx, or my arse on a plate' baked into their firmware.
asciilifeform recalls burial of grandfather, with orchestra, rifle salute, etc. and vague notion that various 'changes' all about are indeed connected with the disappearance of that gen
mircea_popescu: main problem of historical / archeological work is to discern the coincidence from the item. (is this spec of dust or is it portion of priceless artefact ???)
asciilifeform: ('coincidentally' su folded shop when the ~last d00ds who knew what german mg sounded like, went to grave)
asciilifeform: modern ru only distanced from zimbabwe at all because ~those~ d00dz wound up the clock spring.
mircea_popescu: wtf happened, women stopped sucking the right part of the cock ? for seven decades ?!
mircea_popescu: (followed france before, nothing new there)
mircea_popescu: now, what the fuck reason, i have nfi. it's comparatively clearer with the gringos, they had been sheep-following su, went off cliff eyes wide open.
asciilifeform: it is quite evident that there was no kurchatov in 1978.
mircea_popescu: well, kurchatov, strictly. as per carlyle, history exists strictly as the biography of great men.
mircea_popescu: hence "you think the chain is powering your chainsaw".
asciilifeform: so, to extend lemma, atari ~because~ cheap ic, and not other way ?