mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, because i realised this while sleeping re some convo a few days ago : "knowing what a word means" is, for the marginally illiterate "read-by-letter" type, a matter of memorizing definitions. this however is at best a sorry approximation of the real deal.
asciilifeform: 'I have concluded that it is a phenomenal curse when it is and children experience that they can guess faster than they can learn. This latter thing is what I mostly associate with stupidity, however, and why I do _not_ equate intelligence with absence of stupidity. Quite the contrary, the more intelligent, the more potential to be stupid in just this crucial way, to believe that what you can pick out of your o
mircea_popescu: total obama ideal, nothing in there but nyt and wp
mircea_popescu: imagine what the web would be like if domain name resolution worked on a "what know domain is this new domain most like"
mircea_popescu: i hold that libtards are born by using "own head" as a source to extract the unknown.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, when the "internet" from microsoft encounters a word aka domain name it doesn't know
chetty: well yeah, but why limit the toolbox that way
mircea_popescu: father, whatever.
mircea_popescu: chetty they have a boyfriend or something.
mircea_popescu: the unrigurousness of natural language is fundamentally useful here. you can ask about this without being able to define this.
chetty: but they dont have any tools ....
mircea_popescu: no they're not stuck lol. "what is this"
chetty: learning initially with phonics lets a pérson breakdown a word they encounter that dont know regardless of their normal reading method. The look-say method people are stuck.
mircea_popescu: (i mean, cases where the text was correct, but your brain threw an exception)
mircea_popescu: well yes. but iof you count, the syntax error is almost always caused by an error collating the stems with the endings.
mircea_popescu: at least, judging by the types of errors that end up forcing me to re-read, vast majority of which indicate a mismatch in the 3rd stage.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure 3rd stage reader actually has two cvasi-simultaneous processes where the same photogram as registered by eyes is first parsed for stems then parsed for endings and they get superimposed in a 3rd stage
asciilifeform: quite a few folks seem to be rather attached to the 'built-in iq test' of english mechanics
asciilifeform: and same for the foreign n00b
asciilifeform: then straight to chinese hieroglyphs.
asciilifeform: as if there were anyone who did not know this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem with this approach being that literate readers do not actually read by letter anyway.
mircea_popescu: "I was able to validate my hypothesis that quite a few English-speakers lack phonological awareness and are not aware of the alphabetic principle. Many people have simply memorized some number of words, by sight and by sound. And since learning Unspell involves having the ability to analyze spoken English as a series of phonemes, people who have been taught to read English using the look and say method, which doe
mircea_popescu: it actually isn't cost effective for them, just like shitting cow dung is not cost effective for you.
asciilifeform: dogs and fleas have been living together for quite some time, but afaik dogs never invented ddt. perhaps because not cost-effective.
asciilifeform: whether this is happening presently, or has been for two years, or the trigger will be pulled for the first time tomorrow - only devil knows.
asciilifeform: fundamentals << as things, presently stand, the most cost-effective 'mining' presently is... to pwn existing operators.
Naphex: asciilifeform: prolly a few days to set up the infrastucture and 're-ingineer' the essentials in bitcoind
Naphex: from the official ad
mircea_popescu: the economy needs it, privet.
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mircea_popescu: take the body in this case : a whiny 25 yo beta masquerading as an "executive dating coach".
mircea_popescu: "the left always wins" in the sense that the left is dumb as rocks, and rocks always win, in the sense that nevermind.
mircea_popescu: just seamlessly moved into the global warming thing.
mircea_popescu: then we ignored them, the problem somehow magically went away, they're no longer mentioning it (and in no case are they mentioning it as what it was : here's our most resoundingly humiliating defeat to date)
mircea_popescu: sort of like the ecologists, that made all the bruhaha in the 90s about how the world was going to end because ozone layer, and if "We" don't "do" what they say it';s gonna be bad etc
mircea_popescu: so now they've moved on from "porn activism", a soundly lost battle, to "rape culture" bs.
mircea_popescu: in spite of all the "successes" (like getting deepthroat to lie and so on) it never went anywhere. for the obvious reason.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, 10-20 years ago the same people ( http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/238063/916229.png ) were trying a different tack ( http://www.happyboulevard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/women-are-not-for-decoration.jpg )
asciilifeform: 13+k of these and counting.
asciilifeform: in ru net, there is actually a perversely reactive 'memecult' based on 'lookatme, i'm not a special snowflake at all!' - folks replacing their 'avatar pics' with little red squares with 'serial number'
mircea_popescu: somehow the (other) elephant in the room (ie, "dogs wouldn't fuck you, if you paid them") is gingerly never mentioned.
mircea_popescu: "rape culture" it is, ie, they don't hang around with their friends talking about what it was like last night, like THOSE SLUTS
mircea_popescu: they soon enough discovered that society doesn't care, so now this large headcount of overweight, middle aged women are trying to invent their own version of fucking that'll link them to actual society
mircea_popescu: however, a bunch of people have managed to paint themselves into a corner, by an unfortunate meeting of government welfare and libertard ideology.
chetty: I been hearing that term 'rape culture' a lot recnetly, what the hell is that?
mircea_popescu: in other news, i don't want to be a fat black woman.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Gavin Andresen: I don't want to be 'king of Bitcoin' <<< mmmmywah, that was really on the table lol.
mircea_popescu: jurov: gute blinkenlichtenbeobachtung! <<< bwahhaha top of the mornin' to you too.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: so what's best practice when something like this gnupg 2.1.0 modern comes out? <<< i use 1.4 branch. depends what you're after, but in general best practice is read the update notes see if anything you actualy want [then in the unlikely case that yes, patch your sources with just that and recompile].
mircea_popescu: who the shit ever heard of this, it's like germany over here.
bounce: curious problem for universal there-is-only-one gods, though. gods with domains typically have some sort of job description. "care for fertility" "make the rains come", whatever. but a universal god? what's it got to do with it?
mircea_popescu: and i must say, i have never in my life seen public works like in argentina. so three days ago they announced they will fuck up the sidewalk before my building, and garage won't be accessible for two days. then two days ago they fucked it up, yesterday they were fixing it and today it's all fine, new pavement.
mircea_popescu: because all the weird sex people use it.
mircea_popescu: rainbow is the color of hate anyway
mircea_popescu: colors and everything. the rainbow umbrella hat.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 20 weeks, 3 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?
mircea_popescu: there's no place in our cult for haters!11
mircea_popescu: sheeeit look at all the smart trilema commenters.
mircea_popescu: punkman: hah, same story as SR1.0 <<< im not so sure i believe that, incidentally. iut's called parallel construction for a reason, and that reason is, "lying through the teeth".
kakobrekla: that explains the 'go home white pig'
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2lkevi/buterins_waterfall_a_likbez/ < asciilifeform this is the right subreddit
jurov: youtube, in other words
bounce: that's his signature, not really part of the announcement.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, what i read as a fix is just as likely to be now broken and vice versa, so i would prefer to defer to those smarter in here, i'm sure someone will discuss the addition of elliptic curve keys at some point
jurov: I suggest to use this excerpt from the gpg announcement: "Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz."
BingoBoingo: Maybe a short little blurb, sentence or two and a link to the announcement?
Vexual: no ive never eaten the seed
punkman: you ever try the papaya seeds?
punkman: but I got there too late
punkman: there's guy that does papayas too
Vexual: i just hadmy frist mango for the year
cazalla: anyway, gotta do that weekly skype with the grandparents lol bbl
assbot: Grams: Search The DarkNet Marketplaces! - Deep Dot Web
punkman: cazalla: well if you ever wanna write about the topic, here it is http://www.deepdotweb.com/grams-search-darknet-marketplaces/
cazalla: if i was a small time operator and wanted to steal some coins, maybe i'd copy/pasta the silkroad 2.0 shut down images and claim i too got shut down and knick whatever coins were on the site
Vexual: that other news outlet reported sr2 getting a big dos a few weeks ago
cazalla: yeah but i've never heard of em, not into drugs so i'd have to spend half the day finding out about these small sites and then they're shut down now anyway so difficult to verify
cazalla: yeah apparently, doubt they do any vol though so who gives a fuck
Vexual: other drug markeys got busted too ?
punkman: they are just phoning it in at this point
punkman: "Silk Road 2.0 initially was owned and operated by another individual (hereinafter referred to as “DPR2”), BLAKE BENTHALL, a/k/a “Defcon,” the defendant, who had been acting as second-in—command to DPR2"
cazalla: his missus isn't that bad though she had a big emo about cheating so maybe he had a few others https://www.facebook.com/Stephaniemckaykay
Vexual: theres a book on opsec kids
mircea_popescu: ah i've not gone through the complaint.
assbot: GE is the only remaining member of the original Dow Jones Industrial Average launched in 1896: http://t.co/KLHZHqQ46w http://t.co/oo6J9GAgkD
punkman: they can smell it anyway
Vexual: now ben10 might recoil at that question, but it's invariablt the firs one of every scammor everywhere
punkman: "Each successive Silk Road is headed by a DPR with increasingly poor opsec, like they're reverse-learning from their predecessors' mistakes"
mircea_popescu: this is the day, when a pretend-company cites as source of its own fucking moves the official usg news outlet.
mircea_popescu: and they tweet on their own (and mostly ignored) twitter account a link to... coindesk, and via@coindesk.
mircea_popescu: these dudes lmao.
mircea_popescu: Your Bitcoin is secured by next generation security practices. You are your money: palm-vein biometrics keep money in the palm of your hand, while protecting your account against theft and identity fraud."
mircea_popescu: "The Fort Knox of Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: aaaand if they don't ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it took special chars and other issues (\n\n separated deeds) like a champ
assbot: UN takeover of internet postponed indefinitely • The Register
mircea_popescu: then people are all "o noes, what do you mean same script means same govt agency"
mircea_popescu: it's so fucking lulzy how full of fail that thing is srsly. almost 100% copy of vessennes' scam "foundation". won't say how much money it spent, masquerades as "open", astroturfing to the hilt, the works
punkman: "Everything will be done bottom-up, this is the mother of all bottom-up processes," < who's bottom is getting buggered?
mircea_popescu: "They announced that a further twenty members will be chosen (seemingly by the organizers) according to geographic region and different sectors, split equally between: academia; civil society; governments; and business." << lawl.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, the bitcoin foundation actually is ahead of the icann internet foundation.
punkman: gotta use that ICANN money from all the new domains
mircea_popescu: "If there is a cybersecurity issue, or someone who has figured out how to protect children through a browser," then they can use the platform to connect with others as well as crowdsource and fund their efforts, ICANN CEO Fadi Chehadé enthused.
assbot: ICANN creates 'UN Security Council for the internet', installs itself as a permanent member • The Register
bounce: http://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/11/07/internet_un_security_council_net_mundial_initiative/ -- ICANN, the bitcoin foundation of the internet
Vexual: see him down the pub occasionally
mircea_popescu: everything gotta be repackaged in the libertardism du jour, because a worthless tool is perhaps going to be less visibly worthless if it's nominally used to solve all problems.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck all this song and dance about "our values abhor" and "degrading misoginistic" blablabla baclava. what's wrong with the obivious "this is a fucktarded kid, broken in the head to the degree he imagines strangling strangers is an adequate substitute for his absent social skills, we don't want him here, and ideally he should be undergoing a special needs program somewhere."
mircea_popescu: lol derp goes around randomly strangling strangers as a pickup method ? jesus these idiots.
mircea_popescu: shit, your values are an agent now over there ?
asciilifeform one day will visit parts of the world where one can actually hunt deer
asciilifeform: (point re: deer was that habitat creation, rather than destruction - as envirowhiners normally focus on - is a thing)
asciilifeform: doesn't help that no one hunts the beasts here (densely populated, shoot one deer and bag three random bozos)
asciilifeform: in the past season i got to watch precisely how deer work.
mircea_popescu: the interfaces, wounds, muddy waters, everywhere there's a border is where things happen.
asciilifeform: (back to the titanic pile of acorns, it did - if only by accident - make a useful point: sufficiently concentrated pile of $goodies is a 'target-rich environment')
mircea_popescu: best i can see he's the luddite sort of socialist, believes technology empowers intelligence to manifest as difference
asciilifeform: the whole edifice.
asciilifeform: as i gather, he sees bezzlamatics as baked into, fuck knows, aristotle onwards.
asciilifeform: the 'clef' to the 'roman a clef' of orlov is that he wants, more than anything, to live to see some kind of 'curtain call' on technological civilization and coherent culture -as a concern.-
mircea_popescu: take my earlier piece re cooling. i in fact had counted fucking gas molecules, in the untold zilions.
asciilifeform: but, suffering from some of the same intellectual vices, i find him entertaining
mircea_popescu: see, dirty thinker. i mean the squirels are a much ulterior consideration to thinking.
asciilifeform: ^ his attempt to address the question of gravitational collapse of maxint gold
mircea_popescu: so i suppose "in the real world" pluricellular organisms don't exist.
asciilifeform: o keep track of, and your concerted effort to keep adding one more to the pile while fighting off squirrels may cause small children to start calling you silly names. The bigger the pile grows, the more likely you are to have to take inventory, and in the process you are increasingly likely to make a mistake, so that it turns out that 1,000,000 + 1 is in fact 1,000,001 - δ, where δ is the number of acorns you
asciilifeform: 'Mathematics uses inductionthe idea that if 1 + 1 is 2 then 2 + 1 must be 3, and so on up to an arbitrarily large quantity. In the real world, if you are counting acorns, then 1 + 1 acorns is not the same as 1,000,000 + 1 acornsnot if there are squirrels running around, which there will be once they find out that you are the one who's been stealing their acorns. A million acorns is just too many for you t
mircea_popescu: the last simultaneous events happened like what, 100 trn years ago ?
mircea_popescu: neither is yourr meal "all at once"
asciilifeform: where's the steel pyramid?
asciilifeform: (from the entire planet!)
mircea_popescu: a one mile by one mile steel plate pyramid about 100 meters tall will get you there.
asciilifeform: 'if all the elephants in the world were dropped in one pile, the whales - in another...'
mircea_popescu: decimation: if you want something modern and not a rusty bucket you are talking ~$1-2 bn and your money can't buy one << you gotta be kidding me. an aircraft carrier is like 5bn. and i mean a large 100k tdw one, not the shitty 50k uk has.
asciilifeform: let'em dig into the silt.
asciilifeform: no reason these need to float.
asciilifeform: what storm at the bottom.
mircea_popescu: untying the novel mess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the hedgehogs would be approximately the size of christmas tree ornaments. <<< god help you after the first storm,
asciilifeform: also to have the cake.
mircea_popescu: the secret to great cake ? don't oversugar.
mircea_popescu: im having like the best banana-chocolate cake
asciilifeform: who goes willingly to the fermenter?
asciilifeform: for them - biodiesel.
mircea_popescu: they won't bite, because screams.
mircea_popescu: the alternative is start beating your children.
asciilifeform: if given an 'alternative' that's slightly more attractive than drooling despair and starvation, they'll bite.
mircea_popescu: so you know, the "small government ; work within the system ; we can fix things" people are nice and quaint and no doubt mean well
asciilifeform: we even have the financial equivalent of 'ramdoubler'
mircea_popescu: all the tea partiers and so forth keep going on about how "capitalism works by itself". sure, so do computers.
asciilifeform: from the food replaced with synthetic garbage, to the car which costs a few years of avg. pay (hello ussr 1950) to... whatever.
mircea_popescu: which is why the economy can't really function "on its own"
asciilifeform: but, as various people proved to the satisfaction of any but the thickest case of maliciously ignorant - it's everywhere.
asciilifeform: the man on the street is gagged with 'shuddup plebe, where's the hyperinflation, nowhere'
asciilifeform: so what if yesterday there was a penny and today - two.
thestringpuller: i thought it was the insurance companies
asciilifeform: it may very well be the case that, in the bulk of it, gram for gram, the answer is: printing press.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the hunt for 'who pays' in cc fraud may be a unicorn hunt.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, coin.org should be confirmable once digital btc submit their next quarterly to the asx
mircea_popescu: heck, by now they even have automated "ecommerce sites" making software.
mircea_popescu: then it stopped reporting.
asciilifeform: with the enthusiastic cooperation of 'paypal' et al.
asciilifeform: (not collectible curios, either. ordinary junk.)
asciilifeform: buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it << incidentally, the ancient 'secret' of 'ebay'
thestringpuller: i guess people got sick of being the "gemholder"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller never going away
gribble: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/03>; 3 ani experienta pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/3-ani-experienta/>
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to prosecute asshole ceo who colluded with asshole "expert" to buy worthless domain for 1mn, then laundered 800k out of it and left the company to burn.
cazalla: making it easier to sucker the next buyer in to pay x amount
cazalla: the $1,000,000 is difficult to know given everything out of gawminer guy's mouth is bullshit
mircea_popescu: lots of these domain "deals" are simple collusion, as it's in both parties interest to announce a high price.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coin-org-sold-for-us-75000-to-digital-btc/ << cazalla would be worth investigating if the 1m was actually paid or merely fraudulently announced.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire) << story of this business since its inception.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: noble gases, while inert, will not absorb as much heat << gases are shit for sheer caloric capacity anyway. the reason you want technologica gases rather than plain argon is the compress-and-cool heat extraction process. works better on the hfcs than on random neon w/e.
decimation: well, it's one thing to have laws (silly or not), and it's another to lack the ability (or will) to enforce them
mircea_popescu: the us military principally consists of paper.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch? <<< nope, you have it exactly right. same thing, except one is run by fraudulent "real estate" developers and the other by fraudulent "recruiters".
decimation: the fiat state's bona fides in this matter are not exactly well established (controlling geography)
mircea_popescu: if the fiat state loses its alleged right to control geography, it loses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: danielpbarron would make great fireman. holding a sign, 'do away with fire.' << he has a point. do away with borders and welfare. the latter will occur naturally once the first is done.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: Speaking of bezzle, I just did my yearly health insurance signup. makes me mad how much I have to pay now, about 4 times as much as two years ago for the same crappy plan <<< terrorist doesn't understand how obamacare works.
Adlai .oO( Bitcoin is actually VERY lispy... the entire blockchain is code-as-data )
asciilifeform was there back when it was readable
decimation: "Buying the vessels from Japan could threaten Abbott's hold on power at the next election, said Martin Hamilton-Smith, the defense and trade minister for the state of South Australia, which is home to 27,000 defense-related jobs including 3,000 in shipbuilding."
kakobrekla: cooking the fish, one hash at a time.
PeterL: is this the NSA project after Cardano?
decimation: you could deploy them in strings off a buoy
asciilifeform: and about the same shape.
asciilifeform: at any rate, so long as each 'hedgehog' ball contains one chip, the surface-to-volume ratio is favourable
decimation: no, but like all 'renewables' the energy is so widely distributed that it would require laughable physical plant
asciilifeform vaguely recalls a flight of fancy calculation of how much 'tidal plant' it would take to... yank the moon from orbit
asciilifeform: (didn't learn thermo in school? dig out a 1990s pc with 'peltier' cooler and connect a load to it instead of powering. then see how long until cpu melts.)
asciilifeform: (and i hope i don't have to explain the thermodynamic folly of trying to run waste heat through it)
asciilifeform: via whatever. ideally, tethers.
asciilifeform: (private - on 'mother ship')
decimation: yeah ideally one would locate the whole operation somewhere near a heat sink
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is why i suggested small 'naval mines' with steel capsules in water pool. << plus side you can grow Tilapia further north
cazalla: scoopbot, you gonna get the scoop or what pal
PeterL: the stuff they made apparently had great properties, just not quite cheap enough to replace the incumbent technology (which suffers from high propensity to fire)
asciilifeform: circulate the oil though whatever.
decimation: PeterL: I would suppose that the first step would be to use a fluid heat exchange cooling system
asciilifeform: am i the only one who stayed awake in first grade?
PeterL: you want something that will absorb heat, thus the cfc
BingoBoingo: It appears, BUT THEY HAD A "PROOF"
decimation: yeah the most expensive part in any case is going to be air sealing
decimation: yeah, if anything usg agents will do what the movies, newspapers, and tv tells them they should
asciilifeform is aware of the threadbare physical metaphor here
decimation: I'm dubious that there is much real coordination of these things, more just random entropy in various usg departments
asciilifeform: they get 'cracked down'
asciilifeform: the only reason they even bother with visa bureaucracy is that a whole class of pestilential 'helpers' feeds off it.
asciilifeform: there's plenty of delicious meat left on the bones of the gigantic dead dragon that was usa.
PeterL: asciilifeform: my sister, lives in NYC, complains about the homeless bums who piss on the sidewalk
asciilifeform: every elevator pisser on the planet dreams of meeting a virginal elevator.
BingoBoingo: decimation> at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america' << Is that so different from USian pauper dreaming of actual Galt's Gulch?
asciilifeform: decimation: this is only partly due to bezzle. it is also because in usa, 'they don't piss in elevators like back home.'
decimation: at any rate, the most amazing thing to me is that the chinese, indian pauper still dreams of 'coming to america'
decimation: yeah at least then, if not earlier
decimation: asciilifeform: instead we have the 'fire brigade' who show up with a tank full of kerosene
asciilifeform: if fire got out of the burning houses business...
decimation: look, if usg got out of the money manipulation game, hard money came back, and folks had to get by on their own achievements, immigration wouldn't be an issue