mircea_popescu: "since the early 20th century, Earths mean surface temperature has increased by about 0.8°C." lmap
mircea_popescu: wait, caesar saves the republic ?!
decimation: the romans would use lenses though
decimation: most of what is accepted as common knowledge in the us would have been rank retardation to the ancients
decimation: yeah surely these people are trolling
mircea_popescu: the feminist one is pretty good.
asciilifeform: even the laziest student of archaeology knows this.
mircea_popescu: actually midden is pretty much the best approximation of culture in physical terms.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very-first-time/#comment-109841 << a competitor emerges!
Vexual: people on the river are happy to give
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BingoBoingo: Meanwhile the Mississippians had suburbs and shit, some suburbs more populated than they are presently https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emerald_Mound_and_Village_Site
BingoBoingo: Well, no. Kansas had those fucking barbarian nomads with their dogs
assbot: Mound 34 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BingoBoingo: They even seemed to have had their own skunkworks program where they might have been trying to get to bronze a few millenia too late https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_34
BingoBoingo: decimation: Yes "Mississippians" Seems smallpox probably got to them before the pale faces did.
decimation: BingoBoingo: the 'mound culture'?
BingoBoingo: The geographic area occupied by present day Collinsville, Illinois had a population of ~35,000 600 years ago, and has a similar population today.
Vexual: Might give it a look, The tourist was watchable
Vexual: and then some
mircea_popescu: the zulus managed to start over each century moving 100 miles.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the germans come from fucking central asia. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: iroquis also came from somewhere, but once they came, it was all new.
mircea_popescu: maybe it's scaling with the usg *gasp*
mircea_popescu: decimation> so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture? << my point being that culture is strictly a matter of time. how people organise is irrelevant. which also means there's no shortcuts.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything.
decimation: I guess 'person' means whatever some court finds that it means, when they are presented with the question
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy?
asciilifeform: normally they state 'u.s. subject' or similar.
asciilifeform: 'It shall be unlawful, except as provided in section 2121 of this title, for any person, inside or outside of the United States, to knowingly participate in the development of, manufacture, produce, transfer, acquire, receive, possess, import, export, or use, or possess and threaten to use, any atomic weapon.'
asciilifeform: ^ the nuke thing.
ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up
decimation: so your point is that the lack of egalitarianism did not foster a culture?
mircea_popescu: decimation it owned all the land, and allocated it. it owned the peasants, and regulated their life. basically think beehive with the queen unembodied.
decimation: you mean the space station :)
ben_vulpes: nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office
decimation: plus, the radical egalitarianism is like an acid that dissolves the nascent culture before it begins
decimation: I think that the low country "jante law" culture is one of the things that provides an impetus to the lack of us folklore/home culture
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mircea_popescu: the us may only have a folklore after 2276.
mircea_popescu: what is this then, folklore ?
decimation: they actually do have a culture, it is just roundly rejected by every elite with a printing press
mircea_popescu: kansas culture = "move to ny, for a better life" + "check out the corn!!1"
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, but there's something lacking in the us - they can't seem to believe that they have their own culture and avoid trying to make one
decimation: mircea_popescu: usians hate the idea of paying for roads
mircea_popescu: maybe the author could be come a girl by selling lipstick.
mircea_popescu: " If we could even get ourselves down to a Western European level of car dependence, we would cut road fatalities to a third of their present value and improve our quality of life in innumerable ways."
decimation: lincoln and then fdr removed that restriction
decimation: in the early constitution era it was thought that congress was limited to passing laws about things that were actually mentioned in their charter in the constitution
decimation: the 'lacey act'
asciilifeform: that is, there are actually laws on the books which specifically say 'anyone, anywhere, whether he even knows we exist'
mircea_popescu: for most of its history, the us knew better, an saw itself as a minor player.
asciilifeform: citizens - yes. i was thinking of other
mircea_popescu: that us libtards gave themselves and in their own mind some sort of major role in the world is novel.
asciilifeform: i can remember a few - the one with the flag-less submarines, and the one forbidding any biped on planet 3 from working on nukes without u.s. blessing
asciilifeform would love to read a collection of all the u.s. federal laws that claim extraterritoriality.
decimation: like the national assembly in revolutionary france, congress feels that they can make policy about anything whatsoever
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us it is customary to label any policy whatsoever as 'reform'
decimation: asciilifeform: I finished 17 moments of spring, thanks for the recommendation. It was an interesting show
mircea_popescu: he 114th Congress may seem like an unlikely source of major reform. With the Republicans in control of both houses and a second-term Democratic president wielding the veto pen"
The20YearIRCloud: otherwise we'd be broke
asciilifeform: they are paying in btc without computer ?
The20YearIRCloud: I wanted to run a contest and give a few away to non-tenants, as they'd likely have much more of a desire for em
nubbins`: fwiw i think they'd have been better served given to people who we'd like to see in here, but hey, i'm just the printer 8)
nubbins`: at this rate you'll have the first poster given away in no time 8)
BingoBoingo: ^ The TLDR, shift some bezzel around and make it easier for the US to partition further
nubbins`: <The20YearIRCloud> Looks like we (RentalStarter) are in contract for two more homes, putting our total to 12 properties / 17 units
BingoBoingo: http://theweek.com/article/index/271644/its-time-to-abolish-the-interstate-highway-system
undata: asciilifeform | at any rate, 'jeff of 1950' was not entirely wrong; computers have yet to really catch on... << this printing thing hasn't really caught on yet; all they're printing are more bibles
Vexual: all the players died from seizures or something?
Vexual: thanks for the link to your blogpost mp, not I know what I sound like 3 force drunk
mircea_popescu: which is why either he has one or his kids want one for xmas.
mircea_popescu: war is generally the best part.
mircea_popescu: would be a sore loss to win without a war. instead of a solid enjoyment of rape and plunder, do not pass go, directly to the trudge of administration ?
mircea_popescu remembers a time "the line" was, you gotta raise a woman's kids to get laid and you gotta pay a hooker to get your cock sucked.
mircea_popescu: the jeff of 1950 knew all about how computers "won't catch on"
asciilifeform: their turd.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. << do tell ?
mircea_popescu: that leaves a 16 btc worth of volume, which was exactly half making a gain while exactly the other half made a loss.
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BingoBoingo: Well, that's why I prefer playing as black and starting with small pawn moves. Harder for the opponent to see in the dark.
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asciilifeform: !s in the game of chess you must never
BingoBoingo: The Manul's greatest asset in combat is that through the fur, an adversary can not tell from where on the moving limbs the claws will emerge
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in.
dub: i think its worth noting that for eveyone other than mp and mike it was a 50-80% loss
BingoBoingo: On it's own it's a naive thing, but the conversation around it will lead to bad things as it will probably lead to hard fork talk to set the stage for the blocksize increase discussion.
cazalla: BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0065.mediawiki <<< anyone care to provide thoughts on whether this is a good or bad thing?
mike_c: just in case it's helpful, i was seeing some wonkiness with mpex.ws last night too but didn't have time to debug. so the problem may be 24+ hours old.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course all of those agents were found because after seeing folate's role in cell synthesis, feeding a bunch of leukemias high dose folate was assumed to be the way. It helped the cancer so much!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the remaining lesson, possibly, is that we are still without a general-purpose btc-powered hoster.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my takeaway is that firmness is a quality, but rigidity a sin. the boob rule : good if made out of young woman, bad if made out of bone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one could also hypothesize again about 'married men' and who can or cannot afford to take what risk, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if there's a psychiatric lesson here, it is that resisting crud is not necessarily from cleverness, but could also be on account of being a goat herder in afghanistan and what even is all this recycled food.
mircea_popescu: i can also understand how half the heads populating pikes around the stronghold used to be attached to people who didn't mean to.
mircea_popescu: but no, because conservative mindset depends on random derp being the king of all creation. which works about as well as you'd expect, boring in the bedroom, offensive in the forum, etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't really argue that 'no we won't even talk' was a correct answer. but i do understand how a n00b might associate bitcoin as-a-concept with the derps and sp4mz0rs.
mircea_popescu: fuck, maybe the people throwing away quarters know all about n answers you can't find on your own.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: moving a functioning usd-fueled business to btc - other matter. especially if you're sensitive about not wishing to fatten vultures.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fact is, i and the other jugglers - find ways to hoover up enough usd to pay the usd-eaters in.
mircea_popescu: plenty of people manage to juggle a wife and a job and an insane government and still be here. i'm not one of them, as it happens, but that's neither here nor there : to condone jeffidiocy would be more of an insult to their otherwise unguilty face than i can stomach.
mircea_popescu: somehow you're of worse human quality than jeff is the argument here ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but brings back to the fact that usaschwitz is a thing. if i presently had to rely on btc for anything life-sustaining, i'd be quite dead.
mircea_popescu: the fact that the spots go on the cheetah as part of what it is saved no cheetah to date.
mircea_popescu: this is a major blindspot of the conservative mindset : rigidity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my reaction just now was 'why won't they show up and at least talk' but then realized that this may be the flip side of the medal, so to speak, of the same conservative thinking that ultimately made n.f.s. co. even interesting in the first place (they've resisted every known variety of crud)
mircea_popescu: rather than try to conjure up imaginary molehils of secure superiority to take refuge upon.
mircea_popescu: and in any effect, i most motherfucking DEFINITELY did what told, by the people who knew
mircea_popescu: should be in the dsm-6, this,.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: seems the only option is the swap coins with someone who isn't going to put them in the waterfall :P
mircea_popescu: jesus, who was the electrician turned expert in physics again ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: care to draw a simple picture of what you'd do in their place ?
mircea_popescu: many smart people suffer from the what's his face mental issues
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's their folly.
cazalla: Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu, i will go cry in the corner and rethink my approach
mircea_popescu: so in a sense, i'm the one thing supporting this here bitcoin economy.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller actually, here's a fun notion : outside of trilema credits, pretty much everything is really just facelifted paypal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no one was asked to care, but trying to explain here that folks are sizzling in an electric chair not necessarily of their own making, rather than simple death through individual folly
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how do you buy things with btc that don't end up in the waterfall?
undata: asciilifeform: so sell out when you receive them via derpbase?
mircea_popescu: im sure the mango is going to want to talk to the upstream enzymes about matters too ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this death is a collective one. or, go try to tell the nearly free speech folks how to get their upstream isp to take btc, and where to get spare disks and pizza for it, and in such a way that it doesn't immediately end up in the waterfall, etc.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not here asking random derp some favours. no matter who the derp thinks he is.
mircea_popescu: no emotion. i am telling the sad truth just as much : adapt or die.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol. why the emotion. the article told the sad truth: 'We have nothing to spend bitcoins on...'
mircea_popescu: as a matter of policy, it will now cost these guys 10k to get any of my business, and if they ever get into the wot i'll negrate them right off.
mircea_popescu: cazalla did you mean to say "the article is trying to push the humorous theory" instead of "concludes" ?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/11/ethereums-contract-language-implemented-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain-with-counterparty/
Apocalyptic: cazalla, re your article, "once regulators and politicians control and enable the continued development of Bitcoin", they can't be that clueless, how the hell do they hope to "control the continued development" ? by sending a gavin-bis ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what i meant was, that it offers no useful mechanisms for anything other than, well, making ordinary backups for own use.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but neither is bitcoin.
novusordo: after reading some of the FAQ it sounds like they follow much of the same philosophy as tarsnap.
mircea_popescu: greatly simplifies the process and saves me a bundle of moneyz this.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i must say i am thankful to the "experts". they've got the rot so advanced by now it's sufficient to look at a site and know you're dealing with actual experts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i learned of them when looked for a hoster that specializes in censor resistance (through traditional legal-wrangling, rather than fancy tech. it was another age.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform write to the owner/admin/whatever ticket system you use, tell him that i am offering $100 in bitcoin if they as much as show up here, to claim it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't know them alive, no. but it is entirely possible that they could be lured. it's a small family op, afaik.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik they only eat usd however.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been using that hoster since starting my site, >7yrs. ago. they're absolutely super. the cost is virtually unbeatable for low-traffic, simple sites. and, on top of this, almost wholly ddos-proof.
mircea_popescu: vaguely related, how long you been using these guys ? do you know em ?
asciilifeform: jurov: but so far the results are not encouraging. email doesn't really work!
asciilifeform: jurov: nothing in my email either.
jurov: but i'll thry to configure the timeouts shorter
jurov: it already helped the site to survive aone ddos without anyone noticing
assbot: The BTC-dev November 2014 Archive by thread
asciilifeform: jurov: and why not here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/thread.html ?
jurov: no i did not fix it yet. but at least it's here: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000010.html
jurov: and then declared signature invalid
jurov: that damned stuff just decided to snip newline in the end of file before archiving
jurov: ok. you can send other ones
jurov: asciilifeform: thanks, i need something to chew on. apparently mailman mangled the patch before saving to archive
jborkl_: yeah, I have the chicken and the egg problem. Now I have traffic, but not know what to do with it. I concentrated so much on making it all and writing the code, I never thought what was next
asciilifeform: this is getting rather tiresome.
jborkl_: i tries adsense for a week, did not like that. So the idea ben vulpes had was right on target but I am not sure if that is ongoing? ok, thankd mike_c
nubbins`: scoopbot what's the scoop
nubbins`: do you have any idea how much stamps cost these days
mircea_popescu: ok, dun get jurov angry, email the stuff lol
jurov: it jsut needs to be fed the fuking emails
mircea_popescu: he has a point here. asciilifeform so where are they again ?
asciilifeform: jurov: once someone (you, ben_vulpes, whoever) reads them - can also sign, and display will read 'two people signed...'
jurov: and where are they?
ben_vulpes: rather bad form.
asciilifeform: jurov: i signed my patches. so if sent, from whatever addr, they should be displayed. (with note that one user signed.)
asciilifeform: you send them << wai me?
jurov: <asciilifeform> jurov: patches << http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html >> 404 << because you haven't sent any. it will get generated when you send them
jurov: will also mail you anoother problem ina minute
mircea_popescu: who could pass up on some liver damage for the holy cause of keeping the insides of one's body away from themselves.
mircea_popescu: the parts "cheap" "can be self administered" somehow override "safer" in this construction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why i'm writing it out. easily verified, completely unfamiliar to the general public.
mircea_popescu: and the people in the game are really amazed by the reaction. "what's the big deal ? we've been doing this forever nobody complained ?"
mircea_popescu: so then you know, your average thinking person gets really upset once they hear about the entire "global warming" scam,
asciilifeform: folks who are n00bs re: pharma racket - the above is SOP.
mircea_popescu: as the patents are starting to expire now, the secret everyone know "is being investigated" : aminopterin is actually more effectual in the role of folate synthesis blocker, perhaps not just in the case of leukemia.
mircea_popescu: soon enough the production of the former was judged too expensive, the latter was rebranded as methotrexate, and a history of "bad side effects" and other fud was created retroactively for aminopterin.
mircea_popescu: the company that marketed it also marketed amethopterin, which is in many ways similar.
mircea_popescu: (and other things offlabel, like psoriasis)
mircea_popescu: back in the 50s, aminopterin was discovered, which does exactly that, and was used to treat leukemia
mircea_popescu: this thing works as a highly afine for folate that locks out dfhr, impeding tetrahydrofolic acid synthesis, without which you can't have a nucleus, or many proteins.
mircea_popescu: by the way, since BingoBoingo brought up methotrexate earlier :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of nobel prizes, god help us if satoshi ends up awarded the nobel for chemistry and gavin dressed up as princess leila
mircea_popescu: truely i am a broken hand in the chest of bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: -/** Threshold for nLockTime: below this value it is interpreted as block number, otherwise as UNIX timestamp. */
thestringpuller: i just find it fascinating that the percent of redditards against any hard fork is going up by a lot.
mircea_popescu: at issue is the gavinesque/redditarded interpretation of what's being proposed, especially in the "how to implement" side.
mircea_popescu: in case this wasn't entirely clear : the foregoing has little to do with todd personally.
mircea_popescu: ex-powerful, now irrelevant duke derping around the corners of the new order, whining pathetic is one thing. raising actual banners to, that's beheading.
thestringpuller: i would assume no less. it would seem though that in the future commandment 1 of bitcoin would be:
mircea_popescu: but let it be clear that if we get that far i will paying for abducted and gangraped usg politico daughters, and putting the videos online.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they want a hardfork or five hundred, they can get it any time they feel ready.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: what they get or don't get is not material here. i understand that it's hard for politicos to look past pretty much their only asset, skill and ability, the herd.
asciilifeform: everyone wants... gavin's is just the one that emerged << precisely same verbiage as the pro-poettering useful idiots. vox derpuli, vox dei!
mircea_popescu: the problem with this entire usg strat is that bitcoin never was and likely never will be for the retards.
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is long enough an intricacy that the retards won't be able to follow it.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2i6pz0/peter_todds_checklocktimeverify_means_bitcoin/ckzdetm << reddit isn't fully retarded << basically, they know they won't get away witrh a hard fork, trying to dissolve the "gavin is making a hardfork" issue into a seemingly better "everyone wants a hardfork, gavin's is just the one that emerged from the democratic hardforking process"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller:
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have had a spyring from before satoshi had a clue on c
mircea_popescu: the two major marketplaces were unaffected
mircea_popescu: it sounds impressive, but once the dust settled it became obvious what they got was something that everyone thought a scam and a cvouple of tiny ops
mircea_popescu: so yeah, whatever, im so thoroughly impressed with the oh-so-almighty hb headshot response bitcoin went all the way up to 420
asciilifeform: lol! i actually saw that film for the first time a few days ago.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: Sutler: My fellow Englishmen: tonight our country, that which we stand for, and all we hold dear, faces a grave and terrible threat. This violent and unparalleled assault on our security will not go undefended... or unpunished. Our enemy is an insidious one, seeking to divide us and destroy the very foundation of our great nation. Tonight, we must remain steadfast. We must remain determined. But most of all, we must re
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also must understand the 'good cop / bad cop' dynamic here. the buggers lure folks to their sugary 'imponade' (see naggum) by, among other things, sabotaging the rest of the universe
mircea_popescu: the only thing the bureaucracy knows how to do, and can in fact do, is in the words of V,
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, the world trade center bombing.
mircea_popescu: what happened here is exactly the equivalent of, "sniper got obama between the eyes with a shitbullet, while on conference with the security staff"
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that nobody i ever knew was seriously using the newer debian releases anyway for any purpose, you';d have to be fucking insane to think the way this goes is, we kill their heartbleed and they sit and wait.
mircea_popescu: anyway, news at 11. it's not just bitcoin the shitgnomes are after, but the entire stack of software guaranteeing a free world.
hanbot: a far worthier prize then than that 5 btc!
asciilifeform: that tale carries much of the blame for luring me into this den of vice.
hanbot: mp oughta be goaded into making moar writing contests, they're fun
asciilifeform: belongs on the mandatory reading list for cultured people of the future, right next to 'the cold equations'
asciilifeform: 'shall be delivered' << imho the single most educational piece of crypto-related fiction ever written.
assbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
hanbot: http://thewhet.net/2012/shall-be-delivered/ << that? yeah.