mrjr: one of the first services we're providing (closed beta now) is keeping your nlock'ed transactions for you, until they're ripe for confirmations on the blockchain
mrjr: los_pantalones: i run LedgerLock, we're working on a product called time-vault, to secure your bitcoins in nlocked transactions rather than protecting the priv key
los_pantalones: see if that's compelling to the ppl in here
los_pantalones: mrjr why don't you tell them a bit of what you are doing w/ ntimelock
nubbins`: how in the fuck is this a functioning business
nubbins`: guy made me wait 15 minutes while he struggled to determine if they actually sold 6-packs
nubbins`: you know this is the second time i've gotten dicked around over bulbs?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three. << so now you have to wait another 10 weeks to get the next 15 you need?
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nubbins`: i was getting there but my virtual disk was too small, ran outta space, weird disk error ;/
asciilifeform: there is precisely one enemy. but with many tentacles.
asciilifeform: hence, they add up to an act of sabotage. what probably amounts to a hard fork that 'no one' noticed.
asciilifeform: if what i just said seems like nuttery, consider this. the 'bug fixes', so obviously bright and good, by phoundation since 0.5.3 - somehow add up to us not being able to load a full blockchain.
nubbins`: so instead of 18 bulbs, the guy pulls... three.
nubbins`: soooo, the fluorescent tubes that took TEN WEEKS to get here? turns out "F20T12/BL 6PK" is the item number not of a 6-pack, but of a single bulb
thestringpuller: the one by rage is pretty good
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asciilifeform: at this point, the enemy is enemy not simply because of what he does or may do, but because of what he has done and what he is.
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thestringpuller: yes yes. but if this is case should we not remove nlocktime altogether?
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asciilifeform: one of the facts re: the phoundation is - even if gavin et. al. add something that is unambiguously, probably, angelically, positive to their turd - it is still an act of evil.
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thestringpuller: but yes I do see the new opcode as sorta crufty on "cruft"
nubbins`: surely the coar devs have spoken on this point
thestringpuller: hmm. what do you think of the nlocktime problem?
asciilifeform: but more generally, any and all 'improvements' from the enemy ought to be thought of as 'fruits of poison tree'
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 01:46:06; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bip-0065 << classic 'relevance farming.' the phoundation will take any excuse to add cruft to the gizmo. in their fantasy, folks will use it, and those who have resisted their turds will be forced to merge in.
asciilifeform: the deltas between the original and the end product are to be studied and judged by the participants (currently ben_vulpes, mod6, and occasionally yours truly)
asciilifeform: gavin is a fellow on the enemy side.
asciilifeform: Adlai: let's backtrack. the purpose of the effort spoken of earlier is to go from a 'bitcoind' of known pedigree to something worth using as a reference for, possibly in the future, reimplementation (how and by whom, deliberately not said)
asciilifeform: ah, the ancient mines vs sentries debate.
Adlai: would you automate the following system: a car that self-destructs (killing the intruder) when it detects that it's being accessed without the owner's permission? where ownership is determined in an arbitrarily advanced way, ie, physical token, password, biometric, whatever you fancy.
asciilifeform: Adlai: elaborate please re: theoretical.
Adlai: i'll admit that my feeling that darcs could be appropriate for this purpose is based more on speculation from darcs's theoretic background than on familiarity with the actual working software
punkman: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/11/11/cloud_heat_is_putting_servers_in_homes_and_offices_and_the_heat_from_them.html
asciilifeform: Adlai: i like 'git', 'darcs', etc. automata just as much as the next lazy fellow. but they are wholly inappropriate for this application. try to see why.
Adlai: in my experience, all systems can be automated, and it's only a matter of deciding at what level you're willing to lose a human's judgement/"moral compass", but gain the benefits of automation
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mircea_popescu: turns out there's a lot of predictive power in this tits like math thing.
xanthyos: it's a counterweight to the ass
mircea_popescu: nfi. i imagine it's purely aesthetic.
xanthyos: is it selection by males or did women with larger breasts simply have more milk to feed their young?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos monkeys don't have any tits to speak of. the female breast is clearly the result of selection. the only way that works is for women with tits to have money while women without not to.
xanthyos: so children with underdeveloped breasts now shop for themselves?
mircea_popescu: Singles Daythe annual Nov 11 online shopping frenzy in which Alibaba saw as many as 2.85 million transactions a minute at its peak, and a total of $9.3 billion in sales
mircea_popescu: "Besides the possible reasons for the trend namely that younger women with less purchasing power may be the ones buying smaller-sized bras"
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xanthyos: use the wot to set up your own network of unabusive clientele
mircea_popescu: xanthyos the only thing i've said bout price is http://trilema.com/2014/people-us-dollars-are-not-worth-a-fifth-of-a-bitcent-stop-selling/
xanthyos: now i see it takes 4 days for them to send btc
mircea_popescu: what's even the point of buying fractions of bitcents ?
xanthyos: stander is the guy that danielpbarron and RetroUpriser and i have bought btc through for a while
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mircea_popescu: you're just getting in the way.
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if a bank calls me up suspicously i will turn it on them. how dare you bother a long standing customer! << lmao this works, yeah.
thestringpuller: regulators gonna regulate like warren g and nate d to the double g
thestringpuller: i'm probably going to revert to cash only OTC. at least I know there is some resistance to my coincs going into Buterin's Waterfall.
xanthyos: the fact that it's taking 2+ days for me to even see these mcirodeposits speaks to the obsolescence of banks
xanthyos: if a bank calls me up suspicously i will turn it on them. how dare you bother a long standing customer!
xanthyos: also historically once the transgender cat is out of the bag that's all everyone wants to talk about
xanthyos: it's unrelated to trust though, and the insinuation of "boy pretends to be girl" is that bagels7 is dishonest
mircea_popescu: some people that used to do "refurbishing" places back in the bubble moved on to this.
mircea_popescu: yeah i heard this is the latest business model, "make cheap advertising paper to drive up numbers, wait for buyout offers". apparently it can be cycled in 2-3 years.
bagels7: They do newspapers which are getting more and more expensive since all the cheap advertising ones get bought, and there is a website somewhere
mircea_popescu: bagels7 you got a page up somewhere or how does the escort business even work these days ? dja advertise ?
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Adlai: on that note, i'm gonna wash the smell of diesel sweat and boot polish out of my hair
Adlai: (this is a false cliche btw... the oldest profession, imo, is "boss")
Adlai: what's disruptive about the "oldest profession"?
mircea_popescu: Adlai girls don't tend to like highly sexed girls because they're disruptive.
Adlai: there is nothing girly about not liking ass, girls are allowed to like manass
mircea_popescu: actually no, i dun read twitter. but i just added you know, two an' two together.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 don't take this the wrong way, because it's not actually going where it may seem, butt : are you a girl ?
bagels7: yeah to not see a huge ass first thing in the morning
Adlai: maybe they can start with not having mercenaries salute 20yo shitstains fresh out of west poopt
mircea_popescu: actually afaik the us army has been trying to do away with 1800s french military style hierarchy in favour of something more akin to the latter.
Adlai: and for the record, i got kicked out of officer school for being "unfit for military command", so i'm not exactly the most militarized person...
Adlai: well there's a big difference between military hierarchy and structured decentralization, but have your laffs while i have my baffs
jurov: ha, military. now i see where the "musta organize" comes from ;)
Adlai: whence the photo
Adlai: but the metaphor isn't too far from reality
Adlai: they were actually quite fascinated by it, and a surprising number had never ever heard of it
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller how do you mean it's not real yo.
punkman: Adlai: are you coding in the trenches now?
mircea_popescu: use instagram, it's what the best butt online uses!
Adlai: if only this imgur thingy would get its shit together
mircea_popescu: if this turns into another "you're mean and a cult because systemd" thing i swear...
jurov: look, when we'll have 100 patches then we can talk how to get "better organized"
mircea_popescu: no but look at the process! you heard about something, thought it was cool and now want to use it on that basis ?
mircea_popescu: well this exposes the problem eh.
Adlai: darcs is more organized than patches-over-mail, i've not used it enough to know whether it has any builtin support for patch signing
mircea_popescu: i get it, "patches by mail" = bad because that's how they did it before women were liberated or some shit. nevertheless. how is the spiffy work for our purpose ?
mircea_popescu: no, rather, YOU are too high and mighty to have meaningful input.
Adlai: i'll shut up and shower because evidently i've been too far outside the loop to have meaningful input to these high and mighty goingons
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi about coding workflow from the pov of the workflower, however, darcs seems that much math grad wankathon.
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> either goal can be accomplished from either starting point << that is a judgement.
jurov: Adlai how do you do with darcs the "beyond doubt" stuff ?
mircea_popescu: quite distinct, these.
mircea_popescu: the idea is not an alternative, non braindamaged bitcoin reimplementation. the idea is confiscating the canonical bitcoin implementation from the current set of monkeys.
jurov: Adlai because the goal is transparent verification of all contributions
mircea_popescu: Adlai because we're upset with the system.
jurov: on that note, if asciilifeform still did not get the emails, i'm gonna send him the diests by snail mail
punkman: yeah you can send them compressed too, so I suppose you could send quite big patches as it is
jurov: dunno . guess anyone who wants will subscribe and filter themselves
mircea_popescu: jurov get the deeds firehose, process them into a mailing list by criteria ? this is interesting.
mircea_popescu: cuz of the bot.
jurov: punkman or, since you have the form put, once verified you can just send email in
mircea_popescu: no, you can't. that's the fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: the other response of course is, "yeah, i have self-replicating backups, i just watched the deletion propagate across the whole cluster."
mircea_popescu: punkman they dun have backups where you live ?
nubbins`: punkman let's put a section on the deeds website for deed verification utils
mircea_popescu: but presumably the email goes into a script somewhere no ?
jurov: your key is there, gpgp knows your name, but message was damamged in transit
assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 09:54:46; Adlai: ben_vulpes: i'm not seeing it in the mailing list yet, and i have to leave. hope this cuts it: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pCFcsbrW
jurov: but that's buggy, too. yest it ate newline in the patch file and then proclaimed "sig invalid, wont publish"
Adlai: !up devthedev
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/mailman/listinfo/btc-dev << specified in second bullet
Adlai: you'd think that in the twenty first century...
Adlai: ugh and the fucking post office closes at ungodly early hours
nubbins`: thestringpuller RIGHT?!
Adlai: i don't know whether to be pumped at the rally while i was gone or fucking pissed that scalpl crashed right before it began
thestringpuller: nubbins`: i like the one where the baby is buying encyclopedias on the ipad and it triggers all these events.
thestringpuller: lol. the chick fil a on campus is the slowest one in the state. about 15 minutes being in line ;)
davout: wishing i wasn't in paris' blind spot, where the closest boulangerie is 15 minutes walk
mircea_popescu: they were polite, and thankfully now he left.
assbot: Why Is Beijing Downplaying the Supposedly Huge Climate Change Deal?
mircea_popescu: they should prolly get her to front paleo
mircea_popescu: she has 500 shitty perfumes, diets, underwears the works
mircea_popescu: dude that sucks. the watsapp faggots are worth 20bn and this chick 40mn ? get outta town.
mircea_popescu: besides, im sure you can sell "champagne that was spilled on kim kardashian as part of trying to get the booty shot" fgor more trhan it cost originally.
mircea_popescu: i hadn't. but the original sucks by comparison.
mircea_popescu: anyway, she's doing all the stuff jolie thought herself too good for.
punkman: did you see the original champagne photo, https://31.media.tumblr.com/decad7a5fb9715c1508942f7e12209f8/tumblr_newq2vmrOB1r106o0o1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: armenian chicks. no fucking wonder the turks had an in for 'em.
punkman: "Glee actress Naya Rivera allegedly commented on Kardashian’s Instagram, “I normally don’t… but you’re someone’s mother.”"
mircea_popescu: to think, not even 200 years ago the same woman could be put in stocks if the husband told police she stabbed the same watermelon in a slothful or wanton manner.
Vexual: theres a song about who fucker her first
mircea_popescu: easily the best looking chick alive.
BingoBoingo: Vexual: When are you starting a blog that blogs other blogs rinsed through MP's Google Translate Vexualator?
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BingoBoingo: Well, new meme clogging Derpistan seems to be "Forget the moon, we caught a comet"
BingoBoingo: The Chinese... enthusiastic
BingoBoingo: http://amblesideanimalhospital.com/blog/moose-by-products-dr-google-january/ << "The People"
decimation: asciilifeform: sure, the plane's dish is directional - my original point is that the satellite's might not be
asciilifeform: http://i1.wp.com/www.defensemedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/321.jpg << from linked article. the answer to 'how directional.'
BingoBoingo: Ah, the references to Disney
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asciilifeform: there.
asciilifeform: and even the simultaneously dumbest and wealthiest military bureaucracy in the world, would see this as an obvious thing.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I was confusing the two, I admit
asciilifeform: it is precisely because of the control apparatus.
asciilifeform: incidentally, people misunderstand why the bomber is costly
asciilifeform: flying camera - one thing. remotely-flown bomber - another.
decimation: asciilifeform: here's another one: http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/uavs-drive-satcom-modernization/ "The reality, however, is the role of the lion’s share of UAVs is to provide data to soldiers within 50 miles of the aircraft using line-of-sight air-to-ground links,” Gardner wrote. “Today these links are predominantly analog FM links for standard definition video, but a change to sophisticated digital links is under
asciilifeform: (one of the things which they did not - until, apparently, very recently - do - is use signed commands. hence one could in fact take the machine home, if using an appropriate antenna.)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you might be unimpressed with the reality of usg rpvs: http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2013/May/Pages/PentagonEyesDealsWithSatelliteIndustryToFillDemandforDroneCommunications.aspx
decimation: but I am assuming a world where e-m spectrum could be otherwise be allocated to other-than-friends-of-the-bezzle
decimation: well, the point isn't really the interfering signal from the satellite as much as the fact that no one on the ground can use the same frequencies without potentially interfering with satellite receivers
asciilifeform: decimation: line of sight. what don't you like about the picture ?
decimation: true, not the entire earth all at once
decimation: re: satellites << plus they occupy electromagnetic spectrum that could be put to otherwise productive use
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, unplunders there are. called craftsmen and artisans.
mircea_popescu: oh, the blacksmith ?
asciilifeform thinking of other one
mircea_popescu: among the tits of his concubine.
decimation: right, the problem is that it's hopeless
mircea_popescu: even more conveniently forgetting to mention the 100x more tons of metal, fuel and whatnot needed to make satellites.
mircea_popescu: conveniently forgetting to mention that the cable is resilient, whereas the satellites not so much, and moreover,
mircea_popescu: "Thanks to technological change, over the past few decades the capital-intensiveness of emerging successor infrastructures has been collapsing faster than the existing infrastructure itself. The classic example, from Buckminster Fuller, is replacing a transoceanic cable system emdodying God only knows how many thousand tons of metal with a few dozen communications satellites weighing a few tons each."
mircea_popescu: http://www.resilience.org/stories/2013-09-27/when-ephemeralization-is-hard-to-tell-from-catabolic-collapse << about the same topic
asciilifeform: quoted for just this. someone asked 'how could they undo french revolution.' how do you undo a catabolic collapse?
asciilifeform: 'Astolphe de Custine was brought up for a time by a faithful servant, living in penury with her in the only room of the Custine home that had not been looted and sealed off by Jacobin zealots and thieves.'
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the heck this works.
mircea_popescu: the guy that wrote the os romania still runs on, for almost two centuries now ? had a working model
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mircea_popescu: the thing they tried was in all ways french : lots of fun, and it nearly got to moscow.
mircea_popescu: they WERE going to try something.
mircea_popescu: once france was going to fail, louis settled into a comfortable "apres moi, le deluge" and the people felt right about the same way germans felt around hitler's bunker.
mircea_popescu: this ensured the failure of france as a going concern, because it couldn't keep up with the new megastate.
mircea_popescu: the weakness of the crown allowed the personal union of the dutch and england, which created a shipping superpower
mircea_popescu: here's a reduced version of the problem : england had a shitty king, that led to the empowering of a a bizarre sect. this is what happens when monarchy falters - secret societies.
decimation: I suppose it was the ultimate outworking of enlightenment philosophy
mircea_popescu: uh. i dunno, but i suspect the revolution was a historical necessity.
decimation: mircea_popescu: as a student of french history, how do you think the revolution could have been reversed?
asciilifeform: mr v did for liberasty what leibniz did for mathematics.
decimation: Voltaire attacks Leibniz for thinking too optimistically about human possibility, and then supports the elevation of the unwashed masses
mircea_popescu: how great it is tho, just think! to be the best person that ever was merely for having been born later !
mircea_popescu: they also buy into the theory of women, black people and so forth being a bunch of simpletons in need of special olympics
asciilifeform: a land of the blind, where the derp, with his magical enlightenment juice, is automagically one-eyed king.
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't they ?
asciilifeform: the real psychiatric root here is that the idiots actually buy into the notion of the past being a 'kingdom of simpletons'
mircea_popescu: oh if only they could be spared the humiliation of failing in an irc chatroom, how great life'd be.
mircea_popescu: not different in any sense, but the past does offer the dubious benefit of unverifiability
mircea_popescu: for one thing, you need to be conversant in their ideas.
mircea_popescu: takes a whole of a lot more than "i cursorily looked through my textbook on sciences" to meaningfully impact the past.
decimation: "By contrast, in Poul Anderson’s The Man Who Came Early, an American MP with an engineering degree finds that he can’t apply any of his high-tech knowledge in low-tech Viking Iceland. He destroys the blacksmith’s shop when he tries to use modern high-temperature methods, he suggests impractical ideas, like deep-keeled sailing ships, which you can’t pull ashore, and so on."
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah he discusses that in the other post: http://www.isegoria.net/2010/12/ideas-behind-their-time/
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: because the ancient chinese didn't know women can you know, tablestuffs.
mircea_popescu: get a load of this... the qin envoy guy is using the example of a chinese table tennis player as highly achievementful women.
mircea_popescu: the "body of human science" understood as "the government employees paid to derp on a topic" enacted "slow moving schizophrenia" as a thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation coelenterata. they just float around in the sea. not their fault some happened upon a vent, not their fault the vent will go out.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in a name.
mircea_popescu: the body of human science isn't derp derping about "relativity" by name anymore than the body of bitcoin is derp derping about "bitcoin" by name.
decimation: do they lack the ability to perceive the obvious or are they acting out despite themselves?
mircea_popescu: all these people whose survival strictly depends on a extreheheeemely unlikely arrangement imagine themselves like... you know, representatives of HUMANITY outright
mircea_popescu: basically "i am a worthless sack of dung. the proof of this is that if i got sent to any other circumstance i'd make a total fool of myself"
decimation: the us is soaked in it, and it is getting worse
mircea_popescu: The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change indicated!!!!