mircea_popescu: Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows... << nanotube you know, he brings a very good point. how would i go to check that he is in fact and specifically gpg authed ?
BingoBoingo: I just found the "Spread the Wealth" op-ed piece a bit... ironic considering every other headline there tonday is about the absolute pile of nothing they have.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but listen, if that's your angle (detroit sucks) then make it your title. if that doesn't work then why not ?
mircea_popescu: that said, i struggle to comprehend what the idea is behind BingoBoingo's collection of factoids.
TheNewDeal: Did I get that correct that the Mayor attempted to sync a calendar on an infected system?
Adlai likes the bit about feeding carrion to immigrants
xanthyos: You shall not boil a young goat in its mother.s milk.
xanthyos: 21 You must not eat of anything that dies of itself, but you may give it to the foreigner that is in your gates, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.
xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. the writers of walking dead missed an opportunity to have some surprise cheese or yogurt in the cannibal camp episodes.
Adlai: isn't it about time for the sequel, "Jesus Shrugged"?
assbot: Only invest in the USD what you can afford to lose.
gribble: You rated user napedia on Mon Nov 17 07:30:42 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/napoleon/status/534321538657308672.
Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification, but i imagine there's some way around that
Adlai: holy fuck that dpaste is painful on the retina
punkman: dpaste all the dpaste!
PiaAA: is the tits for 0.1 btc still active?
assbot: The Dutch Village Where Everyone Has Dementia - The Atlantic ( http://dpaste.com/2Q2H2QX.txt )
punkman: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/11/the-dutch-village-where-everyone-has-dementia/382195/?single_page=true
saifedean: well, this link worked, but the previous one didn't
saifedean: i haven't read the old one, where is it?
RagnarDanneskjol: AND the author can no longer reply, so
RagnarDanneskjol: indeed.. still, so much more could be said on the topic - and old one lives on tardstalk
RagnarDanneskjol: the world could use an updated, expanded 'so you wanna start a bitcoin business'
mircea_popescu: saifedean the way that noobs usually work these things is, they put in some work for a few months, and while they're small whatever bank they lied to doesn't bother to notice.
RagnarDanneskjol: I recommend thy try to get their old jobs back 'fore its too late.. a 'no risk' exchange does sound rather amazing tho
saifedean: one used to work in tech companies, the other in bullshit management consulting. they both quit their jobs to work on this full time
mircea_popescu: but, so far the business model is "dude where's my car"
saifedean: im not asking for trust for these friends, just wondering what you folks think of this business model.
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
kakobrekla: they as well dont see dns
mircea_popescu: https://webproxy.vpnbook.com/browse.php?u=TgiS5wSPehNu94A3&b=0&f=norefer << also other than assbot, proxies for the lost.
mircea_popescu: the footer
RagnarDanneskjol: that is a very nice feature add. raw is pretty tough on the eyes. at least you have some margin on standard paste and the option to show raw
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ( http://dpaste.com/28ADNN6.txt )
kakobrekla: demo test: http://qntra.net/2014/11/this-onion-it-smells-inherent-hazards-of-the-tor-network/
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500
mircea_popescu: and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists"
mats_cd03: i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k
thestringpuller: "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves"
RagnarDanneskjol: I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help
RagnarDanneskjol: most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration
decimation: the river of meat has spoken
cascadian_herper: well shit just give up then
mircea_popescu: "I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway.
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree?
asciilifeform: in the style of larry gonick, i dare say
asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
nubbins`: actually there we go, wasn't so bad
asciilifeform: at the very least, perfectly good chumpatronic engineering.
nubbins`: ooo i shouldn't have used the wifi connection to send this print job
mircea_popescu: i have this baby in bathwater obsession, myself. "teaching the controversy" is just americanized, which is to say, "cut into bits and rubbed in shit" hegelian dialectics.
asciilifeform: being the first step of a recipe for convincing folks of something that would otherwise be readily apparent as lunacy
asciilifeform: the phrase is a term of art from u.s. propaganda schools.
asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
asciilifeform: ^ re: how the cancer rolls.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
nubbins`: and by the time i explain why this is better, i've got an 800mb merged.pdf waiting for me
assbot: 1 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
asciilifeform: and if you forget to flip a switch - there it will be, staring right in your face
asciilifeform: if folks understood 'do not meet the enemy halfway' we would never have even heard of systemd.
mircea_popescu: i propose in this case "not participation" is punching some blind twerp right in the face.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
mircea_popescu: when some kid is annoying you don't pick up and leave, you punch him in the nose.
mircea_popescu: THEM. not fucking me jesus christ.
asciilifeform: the cancer will spread to wherever it can
asciilifeform: we may not like the cancer cell, but it 'works'. debian - dead.
mircea_popescu: except this'd be th every definition of not being people. if they were people they'd do something else for a living.
mircea_popescu: "have some empathy for the people who want to take a shit on the collected effort of the people you happen to respect! they're people too!"
decimation: 'we voted and this is the best course of action'
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you want some tight ass too ? so then ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about how the cock felt!11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
asciilifeform: well yes, how else will it stay gathered.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's not just "gather enough filth in one place"
asciilifeform: a sausage and a turd are rather different, even if both cylindrical and both given shape by a piece of gut
asciilifeform: if you simply gather enough filth in one place
asciilifeform: of course, anyone with even a spitting familiarity with software crud world knows that lizard hitler does not need to order these into existence - they happen naturally
asciilifeform: kerberos << among the many deliberately complex edifices of the u.s. department of wintel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually this connects to the thread from earlier today re: patterns of speech.
asciilifeform: debian compassion << cthonian horrors of the eldritch depths.
mats_cd03: gotta loosen up on the mad ravings my good man
mats_cd03: poor guy. cut outta the fold after bein' a regular for... what was it, a year plus?
asciilifeform: insult to perfectly adequate monkeys, who fight and occasionally settle matters in their monkey bands
mircea_popescu: anyway, seems to me clear teh usg-debian believes it got the votes
mircea_popescu: let's fucking "value each other's" banana peels and sing koombaya.
mircea_popescu: five fucking centuries of european intellectual heritate, which is the exactly ONLY reason the US even exists in the first place, down the drain. "We wanna be africans now. Hold hands."
mircea_popescu: and then driveby's have the unmitigated audacity to discuss #b-a cult-ness. how do you like that!
mircea_popescu: the point of discussion is not to discover the wrong alternatives, or the right alternatives.
mircea_popescu: i mean check it out. "there's no wrong thing" now.
mircea_popescu: There isn't a right answer. As Russ has explained a number of times in the TC, on debian-vote and on his blog, this is about tradeoffs. I'm sure some people will be happy if the project's values are aligned with theirs. When they take that as far as saying the project made the "right decision" or rejected "bad options," they are not valuing the contributions of those who disagreed with them.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, that letter is an exact summary of everything that's wrong with the english language space.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to save here. just burn the entire stack where it stands an' that's that.
decimation: well, considering usg employs 4 million people, I suspect there is at least one of each http://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller myeah. bbs.
decimation: mircea_popescu: the simplest answer is probably because usg is full of hartmans and gmaxwells
mircea_popescu: im completely unclear as to why the fuck usg wants the "one computer system" so badly anyway.
decimation: in fact one of the supposed prime 'benefits' of redhat enterprise is that it can 'hook up to' a windows active directory server which acts as an ldap/krb ticket server
mircea_popescu: then a few years later windows migrated to "kerberos" as its primary security protocol
mircea_popescu: the gutted thing was reimplemented by some nordic country university
mircea_popescu: decimation kerberos was developed by mit in the 80s. a gutted export version was created. as the usg was going to (again) change its export restriction in 2000,
mircea_popescu: perhaps an instructive case study as to how usg protocol confiscation works in the field.
mircea_popescu: the kerberos guy ? uh.
decimation: I don't think any future historian will fail to notice the parallels between this and usg's way of doing business
mircea_popescu: but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from"
mircea_popescu: this is the ultimate theft, these people are trying to introduce into the world. they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow,
mircea_popescu: considered even when we end up strongly disagreeing with them or valuing
mircea_popescu: "Then I'm hoping we can use that understanding to
mircea_popescu: "I'm hoping that we can all take a few minutes to gain empathy for those who disagree with us." << derping about "empathy" -> straight to the uranium mines.
decimation: yeah, if anything this is a loud bell ringing to anyone 'sane': "these people are crazy, now's the time to exit!"
mircea_popescu: who wants to work in an environment of "compassion" ? what are these people, retards ?
mircea_popescu: "Today, now, before the results are announced, we have an opportunity to extend compassion and empathy and remind ourselves of the spirit in which we'd like to work together." << lmao fuck that.
mircea_popescu: decimation one of the most interesting aspects of systemd is the irrationality of the proponents. it's almost as if you're discussing theology with the flat earth society or geophysics with the global warming cult of washington dc.
mircea_popescu: decimation let's be fair here : you're a freshman, there's 12 kids in senior year. eleven strip naked, pour gasoline over each other and set themselves ablaze. the 12th puts them out by running into them backwards then continues to run backwards into things for a week or so, until he's finally comatose and just spazzes quietly on the ground.
asciilifeform: decimation: in wwii << after invention of nuke, they realized that much as they would love to repeat the performance again and again as necessary, might put their own arses in peril. so - settled for a slow and continuous version of this.
decimation: this is one reason why usg is still fdr's usg (that and the fact that they and their friends razed the world in wwii)
decimation: in 'public life', they were immediately schooled by fdr's sycophants who were exiting power at the time
asciilifeform: actually they all entered 'public life' long ago, as the most loathesomely loyal cocksuckers imaginable.
decimation: obama is their wet dream, in the sense that they have finally overturned (superficiality) "the man's" institutions
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps I'm wrong, but in the us there is a context of the 'hippie boomer' generation who are all 'retiring' now
decimation: yeah Obama is pretty much the peak achievement of that 'movement', I don't see much more upside for them
decimation: the lady doth protest too much
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2014 04:44:03; asciilifeform: 'At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. "O!"applause. "O!"an ovation. "O!!!"the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, "Leonid Ilyich, those are the Olympic logo rings, you don't need to read all of them!"'
decimation: I'm pretty sure obama just signs what he is told to sign and reads what he is told to read off the appropriate prompter
mircea_popescu: early us kings were intellectually weak, in world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring "pr", people to protect them from the deep waters of speech and thought.
mircea_popescu: decimation admire this funny : early frankish kings were physically weak in a world that had but contempt for weaklings. they saw a way out in hiring bodyguards, which was convenient. for charlemagne.
decimation: asciilifeform: all powers to say things are reserved to the top tier of usg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ask diana what's her name, the sec senior counsel chick.
mircea_popescu: the rest's just icing, much like saying "robin hood governed Sherwood County by arrow."
asciilifeform: governed entirely by dagger-in-the-night
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more like, judging dentist by inverse count of loud screams on the premises ; plastic surgeon by inverse count of lawsuits.
mircea_popescu: it's a joke i was hoping to get in the bash.
decimation: mircea_popescu: which play, the private beheading?
decimation: at any rate nailguns, cars, polonium, ricin, these smack of a weak sovereign, not a strong one. who asked anyone in the 'chinese government' before they did something in Shanghai circa 1920?
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: i don't use keybase but my key was generated there <<< "your".
decimation: or the polonium?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you could say teh plugging with ricin episode was the result of competent kgb leadership neh ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the best explanation for that kind of thing would be some low-level derp with a hard-on for a particular agenda, who initiates - and the rest of the bureaucracy 'leads from behind'
asciilifeform: at any rate, physical 'hitlers' are not a necessary hypothesis. ussr was perfectly capable of plugging a poor sod on a london bridge with poison umbrella, without competent leadership
mircea_popescu: decimation it'd be the big bad, by definition. it only exists conceptually to accomodate asciilifeform's rampant pareidolia :D
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user khal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=khal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=khal | Rated since: Tue May 10 13:27:55 2011
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i wanted to see if anyone knows him. "can get an inquiry with" is the opposite of that.
thestringpuller: ah. what did you want with the namecoin guy?
asciilifeform: tenure revokes itself, car bombs plant themselves, nailguns - fire themselves, of course. and single-engine airplanes go down regularly for no particular reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, but they still have to be... you know, NOT wet pasta.
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:54:02; assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 22:24:42; asciilifeform: (for n00bs only: who is 'lizard hitler' ? a character approximately as real as magnetic field lines were to michael faraday. don't look for magnetic field lines, they aren't there. physically. or as far as we can tell, anyway.)
mircea_popescu: in that it's neither a lizard nor hitler.
decimation: I guess my point is, if you are looking for 'lizard hitler', here he is - a couple of high level derps decide they can 'get away with X' and convince themselves that 'it's the right thing'
mircea_popescu: what'd you want the woman to say.
decimation: she said, “Uh-huh. Is it the right thing to do?” “Yeah, I think so.” She said, “OK, we’ll deal with that when it comes.”"
decimation: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/united-states-of-secrets/transcript-61/ << hayden 'in the moment' << "And Michael Hayden goes home after briefing the president and the vice president about his ideas for expanding surveillance and takes a walk with his wife. ... "And when it gets public, it’s going to be very controversial. And the people doing it are going to be swept into this thing.” And
mircea_popescu: and nobody hates it, either. the usg is widely despised, and in some quarters reviled.
mircea_popescu: sudenly the entire polling thing won't be as legitimate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not what the man said.
decimation: mircea_popescu: he doesn't even realize either
mircea_popescu: "from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs." < < the sweetest sugar of etatism,
decimation: exactly. Thus, the quality of chicken
decimation: asciilifeform: can you imagine a similar conversation at a soviet university at the kgb recruiting desk?
decimation: annoy the shit out of some gov't clerk, he lashes out, news at 11
decimation: yeah the actual video is pretty lame
decimation: another lol http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/17/how-the-nsa-recruits-in-a-post-snowden-world.html << "“We need to recruit from Snowden’s generation,” admitted former CIA and NSA director Michael Hayden last July. “The challenge is how to recruit this talent while also protecting ourselves from the small fraction of the population that has this romantic attachment to absolute transparency at all costs.”"
mircea_popescu: mind that the fact that it so works in practice is no actual proof.
decimation: as a gradually larger portion of the 'sane class' in the us begins to perceive usg as more of an enemy than a friend, I suspect the quality of 'chicken' will degrade further.
decimation: asciilifeform: "supply chicken" << I get the general impression that the 'chicken' volunteers
decimation: https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/cryptologic_quarterly/the_parable_of_the_tail_with_no_teeth.pdf << another amusing gem
hanbot: mircea_popescu: hanbot mail the man would you. << so emailed.
mircea_popescu: that usually keeps them for a good half hour.
mircea_popescu: in the end the whole discussion neatly reduces to whether men are more like cows or more like mice.
mircea_popescu: yes. the man who wants to make woman cheese has a recipe to follow : https://shanachan.org/fetish/res/11776.html
asciilifeform: all it has to do is 'supply the chicken'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller try nao ?
asciilifeform: or lev theremin, for that matter
asciilifeform: pension << 'the last bullet health'n'life-insurance-and-pension co.'
nubbins`: incidentally, my trilema cookie was the one thing i didn't save when i wiped this machine
thestringpuller: i will when butthurt ddoser decides to stop ruining the nice things for us
mircea_popescu: just read the mpex category neh ?
nubbins`: "Provincial budgeting has been off by an average of $800 million a year over the past seven years, largely due to inaccurate oil projections."
thestringpuller: it was slightly before the "MPOE is likely monetizing itself" article
nubbins`: "well if my old-age pension won't be there, at least i'll have my... uh.."
nubbins`: govt coffers in a bad way as well: http://themuse.ca/2014/04/02/debt-and-unfunded-pension-liabilities-threaten-provinces-finances/
nubbins`: there have been several "take half your pension or take none of it
nubbins`: i expect to see them vanish as a concern in my lifetime
mircea_popescu: and so today you can buy an icecream cone like you could in the 80s, except : that it is "the same icecream" that's 1% icecream, that you buy it for "the same dollars" that have been inflated 10mn to one and that all this allowed imaginary profits nobody can spent to be safely stored where such things are usually stored : fort knox, the social security, people's pensions...
mircea_popescu: whoa look at the corporate profits!11 wall street is best street!
mircea_popescu: o look! we can print 10 million dollars to the dollar and inflation is pretty much even! because reasons!
mircea_popescu: and you know what the best part of it is ? meanwhile inflation...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'build $widget-prime and try to pass off to chumpers as genuine $widget' <<< what else is the 80/20 software engineering approach than "build 80% of a functional program out of 20% of the budget and then try to pretend like we're selling it for "half price" ?
mircea_popescu: decimation: "NSA as an institution, however has become a TQM believer, born again in the gospel of Deming" <<< im not even sure anyone groks the botomless pit of lulz this otherwise truthful statement contains.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i guess the tarpitting may be too aggrssive at the edges or w/e. anyway. anyone else want whitelisted lemme know.
nubbins`: guess i'll see what sort of lease i get on these things
nubbins`: the solipsistic soliloquist
nubbins`: "my roof isn't on fire here in the basement!
thestringpuller: took that long to cross the border?
nubbins`: thestringpuller looks like your pkg is in ny
nubbins`: but seriously, korg helpfully labelled all the interesting mod points on ths board
nubbins`: like 1/4 of the way through the thread people are posting pics of their diy "mod chips" ;D
xanthyos: everything is backed up that needs to be backed up, except for the specific way i like things presented to me in directories
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jurov: ;;google turd lathe
xanthyos: just the convenient way i had it organized
ben_vulpes: maybe not adding others' keys to your keyring but...pretty much anything else until you're comfortable with the process.
nubbins`: speaking of DIN, i've got this tiny korg synthesizer, with all-analog voice circuitry
nubbins`: <+ben_vulpes> dots for laffs <<< wouldn't be the first time
nubbins`: are those DIN connectors for the inputs?
asciilifeform: the round knobs turned smoothly.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes i think the round ones look indexed as well
asciilifeform didn't buy either. can't transport, can't supply 3phase
ben_vulpes: now that's a lathe