asciilifeform: http://www.identitymindglobal.com/blog/identitymind-lamassu-bitcoin-atm << lol re: the seemingly total absence of physically relevant detail (does the thing scan fingerprints? arseprints?)
TheNewDeal: The FIRST bitcoin atm
decimation: "Naturally, we should also immediately start rationing those scarce medical nuclear isotopes used in cancer treatments, so that those who oppose nuclear power would always be the last in the priority queue to receive them."
decimation: "The Brazilification of society can be a samba carnival assuming you approach it the right way, and most importantly, get to live on the pleasant side of the barbed wire fence."
decimation: bitter ethnic struggle over the few remaining spoils"
decimation: asciilifeform: I've been reading Herr Kokkarinen, there are some great quotes there: "Instead of being some hardcore immigration restrictionist, I very much look forward to the future when we white devils become a minority in all Western countries... We educated conservative white males will prosper in the Balkanized low-trust society whose overburdened social welfare net has run out of other people's money and collapsed into a
ben_vulpes: to the gdb, boys!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found xxxxxxxx' is likely the key, in some form, to the riddle
decimation: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least << nah, Nixon was actually trying to clean house, was pushed out by those who are above the law
kakobrekla: <ben_vulpes> what is wrong with the world < http headers
asciilifeform: what's the issue again?
ben_vulpes fell for the headfake
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's the standard debug.log that bitcoind craps out
ben_vulpes: what is wrong with the world
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain << YOU STOP THAT
undata: whereas in the case of the guy who denies he's in a gas chamber, he's straining his best to deny the category
undata: seems like the inmate has no choice but to accept the jailer/inmate dynamic, and then in madness runs for the higher symbolic ground
assbot: 59 results for 'how the world works' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=how+the+world+works
asciilifeform: !s how the world works
asciilifeform: undata: if you're thinking of 'capos' - that's another phenomenon.
asciilifeform not a shrink, cannot answer. but will point the interested reader to the - not really secret - chronicles of german camp inmates collecting scraps of ss uniforms, role playing the roles of jailers, other manifestations of syndrome
undata: "if I just believe the leader, I will be saved"
asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
asciilifeform: sorta like the folks who once proposed to grow chickens lacking brains
asciilifeform: the 'sense of stolen from' atrophied.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
asciilifeform: the reaction is, invariably, 'you nutter'
asciilifeform: undata: note, for instance, the reaction to the (ancient - 1970s) leak of u.s. having (empty) concentration camps, complete with concertina wire, waiting
asciilifeform: undata: one hypothesis is that the average chump has a limited width 'revelation register' that easily overflows.
undata: seems like he could've leaked us having gas chambers and the response would've been similar
asciilifeform: 'That the powers that be may have made it somehow understood that full disclosure might carry undisclosed, but very dire consequences indeed.' << lol
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts << not built for speed.
mircea_popescu: Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations. 1896 ~John Dewey, of the dewey system.
mircea_popescu: We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ~Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89
mircea_popescu: as it happens, i've been saying exactly that. course, the honest libertarian apparently doesn't personally use the terminology of some random polis to describe himself, nor does the random polis readily recognize him, and so... seth's safe.
mircea_popescu: The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller note that the question is leading. sure, "aes optimised" hardware may deliver better performance, at an unknown cost to security.
mircea_popescu: on the current, symetric cypher based process, not bad. to the tune gbps depending on your system specs
thestringpuller: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/56167/why-is-gpg-file-encryption-so-much-slower-than-other-aes-implementations << says GPG encrypts at 115 mb/s on an i7 2.7 ghz
thestringpuller: what is the speed like on encrypting large files?
assbot: CoinVault: Decrypt One File For Free, Send Bitcoin To Decrypt The Rest | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/11wH1T4 )
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/11/coinvault-decrypt-one-file-for-free-send-bitcoin-to-decrypt-the-rest/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: they match puffin with "nuffin"
thestringpuller: so they run out of money not finding useful stuff to do and ask for more. so does this make all the core developers essentially beggars?
punkman: hey 20 million bezzlars, that's gotta last them at least a year
thestringpuller: its like "the only thing I can do is work for cash burning start up or suck dick"
thestringpuller: its funny to see who is employing these "core developers"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: blockstream << lol i look at the founders page and of course gmaxwell is on it
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain <<< lale
thestringpuller: cazalla: a pokemon exchange?!? lol. i think I may be the only one in this channel who plays pokemon.
asciilifeform: funny how one can almost 'smell' these, without any need for detailed study
mats_cd03: this is the impression i'm getting, too.
punkman: "The reason we were able to attract A-list investors is our group of founders and the promise of blockchain technology."
punkman: "The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce it has received a $1,000,000 donation from Jan Koum, CEO and Co-Founder of WhatsApp. This marks the largest single donation to the Foundation since its inception almost 15 years ago"
cazalla: could call it.. the brockchain
mircea_popescu: exactly like star trek ninnies, speaking a wholly unintelligible pigdin and laughing out of the blue for nutty reasons.
mircea_popescu: all these fucktarded nsa "codewords". it would not surprise me if the central nodes in the administration of all this perpetually overbudget, perpetually mismanaged nonsense are desocialised to the point they can no longer interact with people in a shop or bar or w/e
cazalla: i am partial to the original 150
cazalla: i doubt there is any demand for it but i would buy a desired pokemon for btc
cazalla: mircea_popescu, never played pokemon? so you catch them as you would say find an item in an mmorpg, you train em, level em up, you can trade them as you would an item in an mmorpg to other players
TheNewDeal: pokemon was also a card game back in the day, like Magic. Not sure if he's talking about software game
mircea_popescu: oh they're like playing cards ?
cazalla: for trading pokemon, you know, so i can point and say hey, you said you would deliver pokemon xyz and you decided to back out at the last minute, don't trade with this guy
mircea_popescu: my idea of a pokemon is roughly speaking a beanie baby. what's to gpg there ?
cazalla: you know, with the new pokemon game coming out in a few days time, idea of a bitcoin pokemon market would be great, could even have gpg pokemon contracts
mircea_popescu: The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else. lol
mircea_popescu: curious that the "advanced northern europe" isn't coming out with "brevik is pretty much our greatest achievement",
mircea_popescu: The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.
mircea_popescu: guess the yea.
mircea_popescu: I guess you will have to go to jail. If that is the result of not understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there. We shall have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there. It will be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise under it.
undata: suddenly the use case becomes clear.
dignork: and a DRM solution, to protect the assets.
dignork: "For now, Snapcash is available to Snapchatters in the United States who have a debit card and are 18 or older." << there is such a thing?
TheNewDeal: From the article "We set out to make payments faster and more fun!!!"
cazalla: thestringpuller, need a few cuppas first
cazalla: seems BingoBoingo has been busy this morning and scooped me on the news before i was even awake
adlai: "... Now we should call them economical numbers"
mircea_popescu: (but seriously, if you, like me are a fan of the old amiga stuff, with HARD mobs and tough as nail bosses etc ? try it.)
adlai: it gives you a resolution bound for the precision of mental disorder diagnosis
mircea_popescu: the dsm has nothing to do with psychology.
kakobrekla: "they didn't officially delete it" < lol
adlai: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-5#Schizophrenia_spectrum_and_other_psychotic_disorders << ok, they didn't officially delete it, but have been revising the definition to the point where it's about as precise as "batshit fucking crazy"
mircea_popescu: jurov: i need the codes then :D << you know i just use the webirc hostmask they come in with right ?
mircea_popescu: adlai the derps in question make no difference. but, yeah, the problem has long stood.
adlai: no, seriously. some big association of mental scientists (lol) recently admitted that they have nfc what schizophrenia actually is, and that they should probably drop the term and start analyzing the conditions it refers to from a blank page
adlai: there are several somethings
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, sure.
adlai: it's a made up concept to lump together a bunch of conditions that psych(olog|iatr)ists have epsilon understanding of
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet <<< if it had worked.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? <<< well if he has split personality, then they won't know about each other's keys.
punkman: I've heard the same about athletes, not uncommon
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do i care what maradona does after he's too old to play ?
mircea_popescu: somehow people don't seem to say the same about athletes.
mircea_popescu: well, if "perfect butt, perfect shape" is your thing, then obviously it only lasts a little.
adlai: convenience is king, the rest is bunk
gernika: to answer my own question above, the value of the coins in USD will be retained in escrow until the outcome of the case is decided.
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oY84AU )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski btw, next time someone goes on the "marketing Bitcoin" kick, you can always use http://trilema.com/2014/the-usg-wasted-another-hundred-million-dollars-it-previously-stole-from-average-hard-working-us-citizens-nobody-cares/ : "Get lost and dont come back until you can either think or do something useful. Contrary to what you might have self-aggrandizingly imagined, we dont want you. Yo
adlai: maybe I'm doing it wrong, but ";;auth adlai" gives me a challenge string, and I need to reply ";;verify http://pastebin.com/blabla" with a signature for the challenge string, using my wot key
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 16:10:49; mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-11-2014#926544 << putting signatures in pastebin... I guess the known plaintext aspect can be circumvented by only including the signature data, rather than a whole --clearsign
assbot: The United States Scammers Service, Formerly Marshalls Service. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/11eescc )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-united-states-scammers-service-formerly-marshalls-service/
adlai: mircea_popescu: sorry for vanishing, had to tend to some fires, and put out other ones
assbot: Manufacturers warn that the world may soon run out of chocolate - The Week ... ( http://bit.ly/11ebKDA )
chetty: http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/272087/speedreads-manufacturers-warn-that-the-world-may-soon-run-out-of-chocolate
thestringpuller: scoopbot doesn't got the scoop yet?
BingoBoingo: !up TheShrander
mircea_popescu: The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner".
mircea_popescu: Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered.<< funny what the usg thinks of its own banking industry anyway :D
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is this legal? << the law of "no way out"
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? << how would an observer distinguish this situation from "angry muslim ex boyfriend finally manages to break into gpg key on ex gf's computer he hedl" ?
nubbins`: We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.
assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of How to tell the Birds from the Flowers and other Wood-cuts, by Robert Williams Wood. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaTcVI )
nubbins`: the y stands for sodium benzoate, vegetable oil, and a special evaporative process that removes all cocoa
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand the subtle but important distinction. they will have you believe that it -is- meat.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141117 16:05] you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!! << lol should i ask them outright to submit the buxom? i need the codes then :D
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Don't worry. You don't need meat. Protein is fine, have Prion jerky!
Pierre_Rochard: haha, exactly. These people will tell you “well Ethereum and Ripple seem to be gaining traction, so Bitcon may not be ~the~ digital currency, we need to stay flexible”
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Well if you can figure out who they are feel free to submit a likbez to Qntra
assbot: 5 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=teaching+the+controversy
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
asciilifeform: 'digital currencies' << a variant of the 'teach the controversy' propaganda technique discussed here earlier. create a category where there only exists a concrete.
Pierre_Rochard: yeah, they got tired of bit that and coin this, it’s all digital currency now
Pierre_Rochard: digital currency council is another pretend thing, they want to be a professional organization
Pierre_Rochard: “I don't see you in the WoT: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratings.php Do you have a nickname you're using?” <- my response
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Tell then you know a guy, rates are more favorable. Say here's the contact info and just give them my GPG fingerprint
gribble: bitcoingirl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bitcoingirl> the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet
Pierre_Rochard: Person from Digital Currency Council sent me a message on linkedin telling me I should pay them for training
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xanthyos: because they said so?
gernika: There must be some convoluted explanation as to why that's OK though
xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet
asciilifeform: the 'rationale' is - 'you are furniture'
mike_c: this guy has been pinging them once a month about his foia.. they went from stalling to ignoring. very gox of them. https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/usms-silk-road-bitcoin-auction-results-12405/
gernika: Anyone have any references to the legal rationale for selling seized assets prior to a verdict and before the appeals process has completed?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least
mike_c: "The USMS will not release any information to the general public pertaining to the auction process or results."
xanthyos: although how much of keyboarding is conscious and how much is muscle memory? does the body remember the sequence of muscle contractions well enough for the passphrase to be typed without knowing it/
kakobrekla: dissociative personalities < in such setup, does one personality have access to others passwords?
asciilifeform: nubbins` << can, possibly, prove who you are (for some value of 'who'), but not that you owned the key
nubbins`: the key is to be able to demonstrably prove that you are who you say you are without use of a pgp key
xanthyos: it's like warp 10, trust 10 simultaneously occupies every place of faith in the universe
nubbins`: see the thing is, you want a message from alice saying "alice1 is my backup pgp key in case this one gets stolen"
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=othernubs%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=othernubs%60 | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
nubbins`: ;;gettrust othernubs`
xanthyos: so then i guess just as ratings can't be moved accounts probably can't be renamed
xanthyos: i guess that protects people from making offensive name accounts and making it look like you endorse them
asciilifeform: are you rating the account or the person? << 'have sex - with humans; do business - with keys' (mircea)
kakobrekla: update the key in wot?
xanthyos: my question was only if there was a way to merge so rerating wouldn't be an issue if one could prove via gribble to simultaneously own two accounts
mike_c: where "good" really means.. i don't think there is a good reason.
mike_c: what's the rush? if she'll get alice1 back, just wair.
xanthyos: alice has ratings in the wot
xanthyos: so the ratings are all real
nubbins`: sums up the situation more succinctly
xanthyos: would all the people who gave rating have to be notified to rerate to the new account manually
xanthyos: but the security isn't my question
xanthyos: well he doesn't have the passphrase for it
asciilifeform: xanthyos: say boyfriend did not use key. but gave a copy to the Khalif.
xanthyos: if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged?
BingoBoingo: Just in the context of the prion discussion, I'm imagining sufficiently advanced aliens to have had this problem before. They came here to steal our water, but can't because of fish piss. Just like the Mad Cow blood donor ban
asciilifeform: Creutzfeldt-Jakob << just don't feed the brains. problem solved.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i once tried to write a tale of perverse world of differing chiralities for male and female, and implications thereof
BingoBoingo imagines the aliens landing in nubbins yard, spotting that all of the amino acids are flipped the wrong way, and putting a warning bouy in earth orbit announcing Earth's toxicity.
nubbins`: mp these rules were enacted by a competing prion which has figured out how to influence human behaviour in a more nuanced fashion
mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that painstaking effort ? still crazy as fuck, the canucks.
mircea_popescu: "In Canada, individuals are not eligible to donate blood or plasma if they have spent a cumulative total of three months in the United Kingdom or France from January 1, 1980, to December 31, 1996. They are also ineligible if they have spent a cumulative total of five years or more in Western Europe outside the U.K. or France since 1980, or if they have had a blood transfusion in the U.K., France or Western Europe since
nubbins`: i have friends who are still not allowed to donate blood because they spent more than 6mo in england
mircea_popescu: also, feeding cows their foals, it doesn't work. that's how you select for CreutzfeldtJakob
mircea_popescu: something like "i'm farming the lich king, 100k spent for every 80k worth of loot" ?
mircea_popescu: "also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness" << maybe we're not on the same page as to what farm means, here.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, if a hole is found in either but not in both, the situation is now glbse-ambiguous : anyone logged on can claim it wasn;t them
mircea_popescu: <nanotube> haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that << well, i do want to know.
rithm: reading reports under the pretense where one hands know what the other hand is doing is fallacy
rithm: asciilifeform it just means they subcontract it out
xanthyos: mircea_popescu: once a woman starts producing milk she'll keep producing it until she stops nursing. there are some children who nurse way too long and as long as they keep suckling, the milk will flow. also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness or has the moral concern to worry about his cows continually giving birth. their young might be inserted into the food chain that eventually becomes the moth
nanotube: not that it would harm anything to have the info... just curious
nanotube: haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that
nubbins`: say you want to know if someone's authed via btc or gpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl there's stuff to talk about!
mircea_popescu: which i guess kinda pushes the point,
mircea_popescu: sahould be more in the scoopbot than in the deedbot domain that, in the interest of not making a mess of things
mircea_popescu: as always, the security/sanity balance is unobvious.
mircea_popescu: part of it was the ip stealing attempt coupla days back.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would expect suicide is the definitve body modification all serious practitioners aspire towards.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` met modder chick through making fun of "all those freaks with the crazy shit stick on all sides of head".
mircea_popescu: hly abstract fantasy, roughly comensurate with the bizarre shit coming out of the lesbian feminist camp, which is why i made that comment.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. << nope. if you think about it, mammals are only productive after foaling. what would you do with all the babies ? this and numerous other considerations make dairy-female a hig
nubbins`: i can list maybe a dozen named cock piercings off the top of my head
nubbins`: the cock is a cornucopia of piercing sites
mircea_popescu: that's the main problem for people that got circumcised
nubbins`: altho my earlobe holes were done the old-fashioned way, pierced with a needle then immediately tapered to 6 gauge
mircea_popescu: unfortunately i may have created a monster there.
nubbins`: for those of you not in the know, a biopsy punch is a cylindrical scalpel, useful for removing round chunks of flesh from various areas of the body
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you punch the woman while ridin' her ?!
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is "intensifying" complexity. is complexity like pain or wtf.
nubbins`: nothing so innocent, although i've mostly moved on from the proclivities of my youth
mircea_popescu tries to follow in Adlai's footsteps reading that "accelerating change" piece, gets as far as "The goal of this chapter is to trace the general implications of what are identified as the two central characteristics of the future: accelerating change and intensifying complexity.", first line in abstract, and fails.
nubbins`: anyway idk what it's like now, but there was a time when private citizens had the hardest time purchasing shit like this
nubbins`: then i've never seen female ones :o
mircea_popescu: the female ones are just straight sticks.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you kidding ? the curved ones are male.
mircea_popescu: Alexander Fox @AutonoZone · Oct 6 @napoleon @BitcoinBelle Idealism is a dangerous investment strategy. Just look at the goldbugs. Global capital is pouring into the USD. <<< why does the usd sound so much like every other altchain scam ?
nubbins`: i don't know that i've seen gender-specific sounds, altho i guess the big sets would never ever fit into a woman's urethra
mircea_popescu: i also like how the sophistication, size and complexity of boy sounds vs girl sounds properly reflects the boy vs girl relation generally.
nubbins`: for the uninitiated among us.
nubbins`: 5 satoshi says i'm the only one here who got that
nubbins`: In a seemingly-unrelated revelation that perhaps hints at the true reason for the bounty not being paid, the mayor also revealed that he cannot sync his MS Office calendar to his phone due to technical difficulties.
nubbins`: Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan revealed at the North American International Cyber Summit that a 2,000 BTC ransom was not paid in order to regain access to the affected database because it was "not that important".
mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard best practice when newbs make accounts would be inserting a rider with "and don't add a btc address, it just creates pointless ambiguity"
BingoBoingo: Ah, that problem. The why Trilema must have so many words problem.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not saying the three links couldn't assemble into a great piece, but merely that it has to actually be done. ie, reader doesn't have access to the lulz in your head, put it on teh page.