decimation: I want to play a game where I can stab Marat in the back
decimation: semi-related lols (warez): http://www.isegoria.net/2014/11/denigration-of-the-great-revolution/ "The latest Assassin’s Creed video game takes place in Paris during the French Revolution, and French leftists are appalled that the heroes of the People are depicted as bloodthirsty savages:"
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mircea_popescu: aka, they "contribute".
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 the one thing three eyar olds have in common across language and geography is this tendency to bring you a piece of paper they took a shit on, for your admiration.
mircea_popescu: just like it's better to run a car just slightly slower than the maximum speed at which you can control a car, just so it's better to aspire to less than what one can actually do.
mircea_popescu: in any case, no amount of energy put into cutting short the ego and curbing the enthusiasm of the general population is wasted.
decimation: it might be the case that this kind of understanding can only be had through a few cycles of systemds
mircea_popescu: sure, but that's cleaved. personal experience is one thing, personal understanding another.
decimation: there are millions of pankkakes who have become comfortable with living in whatever jungle conditions they find themselves
mircea_popescu: this is a very visible symptom of the problem of well metastasized socialism : a general sense of entitlement in the crowd of idiots. an unwarranted expectation of efficiency on their part.
decimation: yeah I think I mentioned about how the gestapo used the same effect to 'terrorize' the population
assbot: Logged on 04-11-2014 02:49:05; decimation: so after watching Stierlitz, I surfed the wikipedia describing the NASDP government intelligence 4th department http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo "According to Canadian historian Robert Gellately's analysis of the local offices established, the Gestapo was—for the most part—made up of bureaucrats and clerical workers who depended upon denunciations by citizens for their information.[78] Gellately
mircea_popescu: decimation r fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet << check this shit out!
mircea_popescu: and b) be told the exact same thing.
mircea_popescu: problem is, the derps in the studio should have a) been repressed enough that they never dared think of speaking in front of the camera, let alone be allowed to do it
decimation: so, this girl should have been told "You are not smart enough to become a scholar, but you have the material needed to become an excellent wife - learn to make non-lashable cooking, darn socks, and be feminine"
mircea_popescu: that he dares to spin this entire web where "he puts the blame" on linus is nothing short of outrageous.
mircea_popescu: and that the groups he tends to attract and promote are nothing short of malicious.
mircea_popescu: it's that poettering personally is a malignancy, that what he says is poisonous, not just for the free world but individually for people that are intellectually mature,
mircea_popescu: anyway. the right way has to be defended.
decimation: that suddenly makes me sorry for fbi agents. they are essentially at the bottom of a gigantic public suggestion box/toilet
mircea_popescu: oh, no. it's because the internet is bad. because when you get negative feedback, you gotta blame the feedback.
mircea_popescu: "I also have no doubt that Poettering has received such attacks. Unfortunately, that comes with being a public figure on today's Internet. I myself have gotten death threats serious enough that I've turned them over to the FBI"
decimation: yeah, it is the exact opposite of that german education circa 1880 that we discussed earlier
mircea_popescu: basically, her problem is that the people who can think have decided lying to her is okay.
decimation: her problem is that she is a tiny, aimless midget in a world where massive giants are wondering, and they get 'roided daily with debt
mats_cd03: i was tickled by the chick flipping through a picture book
decimation: asciilifeform: the 'join or die' mentality?
decimation: I don't follow the extraction economy comment
asciilifeform: decimation: not simply 'known turds,' but the -behaviour- of him & followers.
mircea_popescu: and it goes right into the extraction economy discussion. you familiar with that one ?
mircea_popescu: it's that "first they came for x but i said nothing" thing, exactly. it's not in any sense a novel or a marginal idea.
decimation: at any rate, asciilifeform makes a good point, the main ding against systemd is that its main author has written several well-known turds, thus the fruit of the tree
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/trei-exemple-si-o-concluzie/#comment-39254 << duca reference, for the perenially curious.
decimation: this idea could also explain why debt-funding (usg bank style) is ruinous compared to capital-funding in the long run
mircea_popescu: without him, romania spent half a century in the warsaw shitter. with him, it'd have probably been greece instead.
mircea_popescu: the best case study for this in my view is romania in the 30s. idiot, indolent romanians allowed the worst among them (iron guard, dubious local fascist wannabe) to assassinate the best romanian that then lived, one duca.
mircea_popescu: and the former can't live.
mircea_popescu: they are really narrowed. what happens there is treason. treason never works politically.
decimation: now the question is, are the economic possibilities of the midgets really narrowed, or do they just perceive that they are?
decimation: the window of economic possibility is narrowed
mircea_popescu: at first they promise "jobs for everyone and cheapoer prices"
mircea_popescu: the shops that were closed by its competition won't return
mircea_popescu: the stool he sat on, however, will never recover from having been sat upon.
mircea_popescu: think of a supermarket as if it were a giant, walking the land of midgets.
asciilifeform: poettering and his followers have demonstrated that they cannot be trusted to build a non-diabolical doorknob, much less init system
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the "giant stool" approach to economics ?
mircea_popescu: then fails to deliver.
asciilifeform: actually we have here a rare case of danger from an unwillingness to move from the technological into the political gear of thought.
mircea_popescu: just because your old clunker is rusty doesn't mean you should add a bamboo patio on the roof.
decimation: but systemd is worse, in the sense that it adds a layer of obfuscation
decimation: heh yeah I read that. to be honest, I'm not sure the existing init system is worthy of much praise
mircea_popescu: i feel unequal to the task.
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BWs391 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110090 << if anyone feels like explaining to the kid 'what the unix/linux values are'
decimation: he knows how to please those who please the state
decimation: he knows how to please those who please the state
thestringpuller: "The idea that taxes drive the value of money.known as chartalism.goes back at least as far as German economist Georg Friedrich Knapp.s 1905 book .The State Theory of Money."
decimation: "The now-retired NSA official, a longtime code-breaker who rose to top management, had just learned in 2009 about the top secret program that was created shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. ... “An individual did bring us these questions, and he had some great points,” Alexander told the AP. “I asked the technical folks, including him, to look at it,”"
assbot: AP Exclusive: Before Snowden, a debate inside NSA - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOqZiH )
mats_cd03: they're displaying now, i didn't know that happened with new bets
kakobrekla: they go to 1?
[]bot: Bet created: "Case hardware wallet theft reported before November 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1073/
nubbins`: !up theotcguy
asciilifeform: 'Hindus enjoy 36 crores of gods - that's 360 million, or more. None of them offered a Sanscrit pre-publication proof of Classical Electrodynamics by Jackson or volunteered Novocain.' -- al schwartz
mircea_popescu: fizzled as one'd expect. there's a reason india was a colonial empire and not vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: Even worse would be to think that the simplicity of Africa holds some kind of answers for Western society: remember "It Takes A Village"? Trust me on this: there is not one thing that Africa can give the West which hasn't been tried before and failed, not one thing that isn't a step backwards, and not one thing which is worse than, or that contradicts, what we have already.
asciilifeform: and they aren't even infectious.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, what the african activists willing to speak plainly say sounds a whole fuckload of a lot just like what the paternalist southern lobby was saying in the us, early 1800s.
mircea_popescu: "If a cure for AIDS was found tomorrow, and offered to every African nation free of charge, the growth of the disease would scarcely be checked, let alone reversed." i ca see this.
mircea_popescu: at least whitey TRANSPORTED them, ya know ?
mircea_popescu: yeah seems the inescapble fate of the black race, extermination at the hands of the yellow.
asciilifeform: once they're done terraforming it.
asciilifeform: perhaps the chicoms, in a decade or three, will share an honest picture of that continent.
mircea_popescu: other than being an european in the "mare nostrum" sense of that concept, me either.
asciilifeform not expert on africa, does not know how much of the piece is 'reversed stupidity'
jurov: if they exclude maghreb, too.. but nairobi seems to have decnt infra, too
mircea_popescu: this is very unfair. i have personally used the egyptian trains, cairo to luxor
mircea_popescu: The result of decades of "foreign aid" has resulted in a continental infrastructure which, if one excludes South Africa, couldn't support Pittsburgh.
mircea_popescu: well, in fairness part of this may be that the african gdp is sinking in realer terms. if same were applied, the us sunk since the 80s something fiercer
jurov: Brazil is the country of future. And forever shall be.
mircea_popescu: you shoulda just ate the damned peas!
mircea_popescu: see jurov, and now god gave them aids for your sins.
jurov: i was quite a brat: "you don't want to eat this? think of starving children in africa, they'd like this" "well, so send it to them"
mircea_popescu: "In my lifetime, the following tragedies have occurred, causing untold millions of deaths: famine in Biafra"
mircea_popescu: mnah, safely along the tracks
mircea_popescu: lettuce see there. boldly
asciilifeform: approximately: 'bravely the railman / drunkenly struts / if he's run over / he'll show you some guts!' - 'comrade, don't fear death!'
mircea_popescu: lemme make the argument here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "casual attitude to life and death" he discusses is in no way typically african.
pete_dushenski: not uncommon either
pete_dushenski: lol yup. a moose will do the same thing
mircea_popescu: Two friends died from stepping on landmines while on Army duty in Namibia. Three died in horrific car accidents (and lest one thinks that this is not confined to Africa, one was caused by a kudu flying through a windshield and impaling the guy through the chest with its hoof--not your everyday traffic accident in, say, Florida).
mircea_popescu: "Finally, if you add the horrifying spread of AIDS into the equation, anyone born in sub-Saharan Africa this century will be lucky to reach age forty." ahem.
assbot: “The Community” Will Bust Your Balls If You Don’t Listen To Them And Break Your Bank Account If You Do | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1z5e62R )
pete_dushenski: pankkake is firing up more than just trilema today :) http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/the-community-will-bust-your-balls-if-you-dont-listen-to-them-and-break-your-bank-account-if-you-do/#comment-5452
xanthyos: god is teasing me, the same way he teased jesus
jurov: i'll prolly reply "yes, bugs are fine, they eat every day and laid some eggs"
asciilifeform: some of these could work well with new text.
undata: asciilifeform: the characters in those posters have an almost minstrel quality
asciilifeform: in other news,
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i kept waiting, in your article, for the link to the canonical classic on the subject ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/924795/posts )
asciilifeform: (when 'they' - dare, e.g., stuxnet, somehow it goes 'down the memory hole' and magicked into 'never happened you consp1r4cy nutter')
asciilifeform: on account of 'but they wouldn't dare'
asciilifeform: the only apparent exception is pki, which 'everyone' seems to know is a master key anal orifice of the first order, wherever it chances to appear, and yet virtually no one objects
asciilifeform: and when produced, are typically built to be physically indistinguishable from the 'natural' kind.
asciilifeform: undata: the entire architecture (soft & hard stack) is a meta-backdoor
undata: asciilifeform: certainly there are intentional back-doors, but I'm not going to give every steaming pile of microshit that excuse
asciilifeform: 5) patch is reversed by folks paid or otherwise happy to carry out this duty, and go to step 2.
asciilifeform: 4) exploit is patched, patch introduces more of the substance seen in step (1) (plausibly-deniable spaghetti that contains seeds of next iteration of cycle)
asciilifeform: usg cycle goes approximately: 1) produce anal orifice (entirely plausibly-deniable bugpharms like microshit, with pedigrees going back into the sands of time, and impossibility of attribution or meaningful study - easy)
asciilifeform: which is to say, the exact mechanism whereby the supply of 0day is in fact inexhaustible
assbot: “The Community” Will Bust Your Balls If You Don’t Listen To Them And Break Your Bank Account If You Do | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOeHa2 )
pete_dushenski: so here's some redeeming contravex: 1) http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/21/the-community-will-bust-your-balls-if-you-dont-listen-to-them-and-break-your-bank-account-if-you-do/
asciilifeform: (what will we hear, when they do? approximately, what everyone already knew.)
asciilifeform: one day they will talk.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there are folks who reverse microshit's patches for a living.
BingoBoingo: My bad on hitting the publish button
asciilifeform: incidentally, the one type of winblows 0day that will remain in inexhaustible supply for so long as microshit remains a thing, is the usb drive 0day.
assbot: Now e-cigarettes can give you malware | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOeofk )
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/11/21/its-amazing-how-fast-these-weeks-are-moving-now/
asciilifeform: the apple et. al. 'born again in crypto' thing is cheap psyop.
assbot: The Simpsons - Helen Lovejoy - Think of the children - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOdy2d )
assbot: DOJ Tells Apple Kids Will Die Because of Their Encryption Stand | DSLReports, ISP Information ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOdpMd )
mats_cd03: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/DOJ-Tells-Apple-Kids-Will-Die-Because-of-Their-Encryption-Stand-131411
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2014 02:17:56; assbot: Logged on 27-07-2014 19:05:02; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
asciilifeform: there.
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOcWd1 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110073
asciilifeform: 'what two men know - the sow knows'
assbot: The wisdom of crowds. Apparently, it mostly depends on the crowds in question. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOcHOW )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wisdom-of-crowds-apparently-it-mostly-depends-on-the-crowds-in-question/#comment-110072 o look, there's a debate.
asciilifeform: punkman: generally there is very little to be gained by telling other people anything re: where and how you keep your key.
punkman wonders how many people in the WoT use airgapped gpg to auth
asciilifeform: hell, some apparently clever folks (taleb?) can't even be bothered to dredge up a computer, or figure out 'irc' - so, no amount of free voice will help.
mircea_popescu: but there's your answer at any rate : voice model chills speech. this includes some speech you didn't apparently want chilled.
mircea_popescu: anyway, how did that theory go, it's a balancing act.
asciilifeform: thing is, a fellow who doesn't 'believe in' or like pgp, and doesn't care for the guarantees proper use provides, can automate up to a hundred percent of the process
mircea_popescu: kanzure generally the way i use it is hit a curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452|gpg and feed it my pw
asciilifeform: most of it spent with [censored] rather than on anything particular to 'gribble'
asciilifeform: kanzure: it takes me all of 5 minutes to auth, and i do it every other week or so (when isp disconnects for a spell)
kanzure: i'm not gonna sit around like a jackass sending signed messages to gribble all the time
assbot: SilentVault launches aiming to 'silence the blockchain' - DGC | DGC ... ( http://bit.ly/1uOcb3B )
asciilifeform: kanzure: (no irc client plugins or anything of the kind)
TomServo: Assuming it's the same dude? idk.
assbot: DGC Founder Discusses His New Book, The Digital Currency Challenge | DGC ... ( http://bit.ly/1uObSFS )
punkman: http://www.dgcmagazine.com/dgc-founder-discusses-his-new-book-the-digital-currency-challenge/
TomServo: Well the name in the qntra post links to: http://www.amazon.com/Philip-Mullan/e/B00IC5R90Y/
BingoBoingo: So what brings you around these parts?
gribble: kanzure was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 6 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <kanzure> did he claim that his property rights were violated, or that the owner's property rights were violated?
asciilifeform: kanzure, fluffypony, a few others i think
asciilifeform wondered why there, and not here
asciilifeform has been reading it, on and off, because there are two or three thinking folks in there who occasionally discuss maths/crypto
mircea_popescu: copying the voice or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the skism is unavoidable : they don't fit here, and know they don't. they can't admit they're idiots, and so they';re stuck
asciilifeform doesn't know the story
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well if you're gonna copy something, gotta copy the lot neh ?
asciilifeform: ^ that channel appears to be besieged by obnoxious crackpots, and they're starting to talk of #b-a-esque voice controls
BingoBoingo: It happened a few times all right after making the latest post
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well if nothing else that advisory thing is useful because it explais how to turn off the idiotic "html texturizing" wp been doing
punkman: they still can't sanitize HTML?
mircea_popescu: bars moved, an' im sure they're drilling.
BingoBoingo: She said: "This is very disturbing but can you imagine! The author was over 60 and cut his [Pooh's] testicles off with a razor blade because he had a problem with his identity."
assbot: Half Naked Winnie The Pooh Banned From Playground - Around the World News - Croatian Times Online News - English Newspaper ... ( http://bit.ly/1vwEu8D )
BingoBoingo: Tales of Jaundiced Pooh horror http://www.croatiantimes.com/news/Around_the_World/2014-11-19/36417/Half_Naked_Winnie_The_Pooh_Banned_From_Playground_
mircea_popescu: davout: i wonder if the broken cock dude's friends will visit him in the hospital and write their names on his cast <<< well, mebbe their gfs.
punkman: always found these shops curious, trying to sell furs in a place that doesn't get cold http://www.vossfurs.com/media/1087/Hersonissos1.jpg
mircea_popescu: fwiw the november thing is mostly bull, esp in btc.
mats_cd03: xanthyos: might wanna hold off in the event of waterfall following nov 28
mircea_popescu: the eu just got proclaimed illegitimate wholesale o.O
mircea_popescu: might as well be the greater congo masquerading as europe.
mircea_popescu: i suppose what im saying, in the end, is that i absolutely don't see any connection between the noises coming out of europe currently and the european tradition.
punkman: girl worked hotel reception in the summer, all the russians were calling in saying they needed proof vacation was booked before embargo otherwise they weren't allowed to get on plane.
mircea_popescu: why even bother with all the pretense ? if you're going to do THIS sort of thing, why even bother dress ? eat fucking roadkill, go around screaming and tossing garbage, what fucking difference does it make.
mircea_popescu: how, it boggles the mind. how is this not even entertained.
mircea_popescu: what is wrong with these people! give them some technology award, this cultish idiocy is unheard of.
mircea_popescu: and yet, nobody, and i mean NOBODY comes out with the fucking obvious.
mircea_popescu: them being on average 55 yo or some shit
mircea_popescu: but as soon as fucking novemver rolled around, it's not even winter yet, the eu is already soft like the average penis of the average european
mircea_popescu: which, you know, back when putin was merely pissing in the guy's mouth at public meetings, hey, i guess it's what people do, make this type of false claims.
mircea_popescu: all autumn they spent in this "o noes, bombama put teh hurts on putin!111"
mircea_popescu: on the eu.
mircea_popescu: well, the embargo on russia is working
xanthyos: i just hope i'm not a sucker, i was a bitcoin denier for years until i got backdoored into it through my interest in getting around the internet poker ban
xanthyos: coinbase purchases are better for btc than otc because they are made on low volume exchanges and are more likely to spike the price
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 20:07:46; asciilifeform: 'these fellows won't see it again like they won't see their ears [without mirror].]
asciilifeform wasn't there, didn't move it
asciilifeform: and, https://www.bullionstar.com/blog/koos-jansen/the-netherlands-has-repatriated-122-5t-gold-from-us
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Following publication of legal act on the implementation of the ABS purch. programme, the Eurosystem has started the purchases on 21/11/2014
asciilifeform waits for one of you folks to write an updated 'the nutcracker' opera
xanthyos: the one positive aspect of having a broken penis is having an excuse to show it to people on webcam in a non-perverted medical way. so they can all see how big i am
xanthyos: still not allowed to bathe
mats_cd03: we can go to the beach, do a pub crawl, discuss world domination, scribble on a man's dong cast... it'll be great
davout: i wonder if the broken cock dude's friends will visit him in the hospital and write their names on his cast
jurov: there's supposed to be scoopbot
assbot: Ben Bernanke & Mervyn King Share Their Thoughts On Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvO9MF )
mircea_popescu: in other news, qntra seems to look pretty good : http://browsershots.org/http://qntra.net/
mircea_popescu: "We're not just talking about a CD of anything, of love songs. We're talking about a CD (cover)
there is a revolver with bullets," said Deputy District Attorney Anthony Campagna.
mircea_popescu: here's a thought : preet bharara benefited from the shootings, because HIS gang gained in status, allowing him to sell more whatever the fucks he's selling.
mircea_popescu: this is so fucking out there....
mircea_popescu: "Though Duncan hasn't been tied to the shootings, prosecutors argued that he benefited from the shootings because his gang gained in status, allowing him to sell more albums."
mircea_popescu: in other news, the chan4chan webiste donation address ? https://blockchain.info/address/1KaHdHYgYUDUYuMYCXLu83gXuniZMiSMhb
mircea_popescu: that's the flipper arms thalidomide brought about
asciilifeform: 4 way plus their 'everything's?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Girl under a train - they sometimes fumble, / She might cry hysterically, or no; / You can hear Reanimator mumble: / 'Please give up your ghost, my dearest, go!' / Lifetime as a cripple? Who will feed you? / Even could I do a bloody thing? / Tell me, dearest, who you think will need you, / Without legs, and without everything?' << approx. partial transl.
mircea_popescu: you get to guess the op.
assbot: The GUI, the twerk and the most valuable resource pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1z0EHhr )
Vexual: must be the voltage regulator
Vexual: 6v stuffs always blowing, it's the amplitude modulations, see?
Vexual: i like my flasher under the dash
decimation: some cars in the us have a 'flicker' mechanism built into the tail lights which I find highly annoying
Vexual: when ledtailights flicker, you can almost see which way the calbing runs
decimation: but the point is that apparently it sets a 'noise floor' for low lever signals
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I've had a few as adult, and I found that I passed if I breathed through my mouth - breathing through my nose was too noisy <<< if breathing through your nose is noisy you should prolly have it fixed