asciilifeform: or did the gods smile on me alone.
mircea_popescu: and as the expression goes, he who illuminates illuminates himself, so, lots of perhaps unknown material about yours truly as well.
mircea_popescu: monster article, ties together a bunch of old stuff
assbot: The power of the press, in English this time. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/159m6ak )
kakobrekla: and dont forget to enumerate them.
ben_vulpes: i think the question that i'm asking is: is an embedded db even a good idea?
punkman: no there's more emails
punkman: I think there's more on sourceforge mailing lists
ben_vulpes: is that really all of them?
ben_vulpes: jurov: "the nakamoto institute" was working on an archive of the satoshi letters at one point. i don't know if they got anywhere with it.
jurov: is there a way to search for it?
ben_vulpes: but y'all know more than i on the topic.
ben_vulpes: the thought that writing to disk requires explicit concurrency semantics (DB_CONFIG requiring lock numbers configured by trial-and-error) in c++ with bdb etc (would this be true of sqlite as well?) makes me think that talking to a professionally written database over a local socket wouldn't be such a bad idea.
assbot: The Coinbase Blog — Introducing Toshi - An Open Source Bitcoin Node For Developers ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgM9sL )
assbot: btcdb: The bitcoin database package from btcd | Conformal Systems, LLC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1FgLM1l )
ben_vulpes: why is it a better idea for bitcoin to write the blockchain to disk instead of into an external database?
ben_vulpes: i suspect certain diets encourage certain bugs that diddle the endocrine system horribly
ben_vulpes: jurov: i can't imagine we've sequenced all virii inhabiting humans or even done a decent job at even the internal or external bacteriospheres
ben_vulpes: "Rejection reason: There's no way for a mod to find a suitable replacement for a random chance."
mircea_popescu: no, thank you for pasting the actual command, it'd have taken me a while to piece it together lol
Azelphur: yea, not the first time :)
Azelphur: he has a bot that does ^, I've already banned him in the past from #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-otc-eu, -uk, ...
Azelphur: (11:24:09) moriarty: there's also ##econometrics given your interest in cryptocurrencies
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can we have /mode +b *!*@unaffiliated/moriarty please, all he does is join here to pm spam and then leave :P
adlai: can't a man lurk these days
Azelphur: and for bonus points he's now joining other channels to harass me :P
Vexual: she stole some crayons and stuff and the otto was a resounding success for year sto come
Vexual: talk about horse pulling the wagon
Vexual: schoolar ships is the hard way now?
cascadian_derper: anyways, a question for the chan: "what disqualifies 053 and what criteria should be used to pick an 'angry' bitcoin?"
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2014 01:38:58; mircea_popescu: well anyway : two trains moving on the same track leave simultaneously 29 miles apart, one doing 5mph the other 7mp. a fly caugh between them flies straight until it reaches a train then turns back and recurses, doing 9mph.
asciilifeform: (for those who missed the relevant thread: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2014#930274 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: there is always an escape, even if you have to chew own leg off.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's one thing to live in mud, it's another thing to live in excrement.
assbot: Logged on 23-11-2014 04:53:31; asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.
asciilifeform: can at least upgrade to sucking with disgust, rather than unwittingly, or worse, eagerly
mircea_popescu: the revolution can not be stopped.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question << i guess time will tell no ?
decimation: really, what the existing internet fails at is a decent multicast model
mircea_popescu: for the reason.
mircea_popescu: if the average per-kb page of internet communication were one gallon of gasoline, i wouldn't have to explain to idiots why i don't want to see "webcasts" and why im in irc.
decimation: the point is, IP provides an elegant many-to-many mapping of network nodes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was five cents a minute yo! at the time a minute meant one page, or a gallon of gasoline.
decimation: now the costs are different
decimation: well, in elder days when the internet wasn't full of orcs it kinda seemed ok
mircea_popescu: "deliver all the mail locally, cheaper calls"
mircea_popescu: think about that. think about the early days of bbs, which is how routing fucking got invented in the first placer
decimation: it violates the principle of "the highest protocol layer ought to control" (end-to-end argument)
asciilifeform: decimation: in point of fact, you can get by without either tcp or the proverbial 'bad reimplementation' of it
decimation: why bother with the illusion of a private point-to-point connection if you can deploy a nice global namespace
undata: asciilifeform: the crude idea I had previously was just trying to jam a WoT into the blockchain
mircea_popescu: 2. Stepped in a majority of the holes, landmines and caltrops available.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not sure this is getting through the fog of their own farts, but the group of power rangers has so far:
undata: asciilifeform: you're about a mile over my head, but the n-axis WoT idea has had my brain churning since hearing about it
mircea_popescu: the name stuck.
mircea_popescu: that they went all "o you dudes are like power rangers"!!!
mircea_popescu: the gushing hordes on reddit were so very impressed with how the idiots in question "fixed" the problem (through leveraging a 50%+1 attack against the blockchain, thourgh meanwhile discredited bircoin mining pools)
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick? << hours after the fork gavin & hearn brought upon the network through their alleged ineptitude (which allegation i don't credit, it was deliberate)
asciilifeform: because not ready for battlefield yet, and other work
mircea_popescu: the exact opposite of "anonimity", of course.
mircea_popescu: only if every router out there actually implements this scheduling
undata: use flags are a bit of a blunt instrument, but they work
mircea_popescu: the fucking networking widget should instal and run without netbase, and do everything including populate the fucking fields and drawing the graphs.
asciilifeform: this is not high science, it was the original intent of the lowly gnu autoconf, even.
undata hopes to see any of the things asciilifeform has described someday
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in any case, my original change to github and generally the mangement of open source codebase of "add a read by X" field is not actually enough.
mircea_popescu: just like there's no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "contributed a patch to openssh"
mircea_popescu: because there is no punishment for the anon derp hiding behind "From: cve-assign () mitre org"
mircea_popescu: and so you know, to quote pankkake, "So, we'll see if the end-users actually want to commit resources on not using systemd."
mircea_popescu: and you know, talk abut "do-ocracy". the fake do-ocracy of they firing out syn packets and then closing the socket.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the attackers can just keep right on firing packets
mircea_popescu: and the usg wins anwyay, for the exact reason spam works : those five people were tied up for the five minutes they took to write and the however many it took them to consider all the angles.
mircea_popescu: then 5 different names have to waste the time out of their day, come in and say yo fuckwits!
mircea_popescu: http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q4/595 << meanwhile mitre (which is very much a usg-thing) is coming out with a "you know they don't really need to work because they're special kids".
asciilifeform: there shall be no 4. on account of biodiesel.
mircea_popescu: such bright future with the bright kids the fucktarded "progressive" generation spawned. they've tried and therefore nobody should criticize them! touch the screen now! Change the world! revolutionize the tubes! 2.0!
mircea_popescu: in five years people will be asking me why they can't load qntra and instead of pointing to braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress version 1-4, i'll point at braindamaged "code is poetry" wordpress versions 1-28, AND at systemd "hey, you can talk directly to the dns resolver, because it's on a fixed port, and the legit server can't even race you because it is standards compliant and waits while you rape the stack.
mircea_popescu: why not just put it in journal binary files with the core dumps!!1
mircea_popescu: later in that thread, "(This systemd component is optional, I strongly recommend not to ship it. It's not even possible right now to dump the cache contents to debug such issues.)"
mircea_popescu: holy shit is there something that's done right in systemd?
mircea_popescu: sees the query from victims upstream DNS, but since systemd-resolved also uses fix
asciilifeform: no, in this hypothetical, as i understand, we discover an irreparable boojum with chain as it exists.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let the idjits hardfork from it.
asciilifeform: tickles the megalomaniacal muscle in any man
asciilifeform: quite possibly this is ideal scenario. a hardfork that sane folks on the whole planet would immediately flee to.
kakobrekla: idk in a sense putting 0.5.3 together is worse than x10. not only it might tell you there is bad air, you cant open the window anyway.
asciilifeform not familiar with the figure in question, cannot comment
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff << they totally are. about 3/4 of my class in college was actual hos.
mircea_popescu: but this "in romania" discussion is entirely besides the point, not like she can't just as well do it in switzerland or luxemburg or w/e.
kakobrekla: no that wasnt the question
kakobrekla: and if it doesnt, whats the plan?
asciilifeform: back to that thread: can't speak for others, but i don't intend to use the trimmed 0.5.3 in anger.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax << what does 18k usd buy in ro ?
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:30:35; asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
asciilifeform: this may be the source of the reference in question. iirc, 'power rangers' was one such film.
asciilifeform: by same convention, they will only do so at the last minute, when about to be crushed one by one by the forces of evil (tm)
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: there is a film convention, found usually in 'superhero' yarns, where a gang of derps each of whom amounts to exactly nothing, 'combine their powers' and form an invincible killing machine of one kind or another
asciilifeform: take your pick of a sufficiently 'heavy' problem (not necessarily deeply-mathematical, however) and, carry it on long enough, will realize - that we don't really 'have computers.'
mats_cd03: what is the origin of this 'power rangers' nick?
asciilifeform: not entirely off the mark.
kakobrekla: 'i once tought about bitcoin but then realized we cant build a computer'
Vexual: oh, the book
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why do you suppose i asked for the book
asciilifeform: much like the early concept of 'space station' was born from the fact of 'a military satellite's expensive, someone gotta change the vacuum tubes when they burn' -
ben_vulpes is frustrated with the manual testing process
ben_vulpes: recently restarted from zero with the db_config file
ben_vulpes: no effect for me either with a wedged chain
ben_vulpes: ramming it into the iceberg again
Vexual: I'm no expert, I suppose they're all stuying polotics and stuff
mircea_popescu: chick makes 1500 per show, 18k for the whole season, pre tax.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: scratch that, it was 'getting started in electronics' (mims)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: for n00bz, 'basic electronics' (forrest m. mims). for adults, 'art of electronics', horowitz & hill.
asciilifeform: even today, the (rare) malware written in asm, once you get past the obfuscations, is easier to make sense of than conventional (compiled) turds
asciilifeform: at least, in the period when mostly written by hand
mircea_popescu: jesus they had some incredible "mystery code" back then, cuz you never really knew what's being addressed how.
asciilifeform: (where one can have multiple tasks, and each has illusion of owning the machine, swapping from disk on access to physically-nonexisting page, etc. the whole shebang.)
mircea_popescu: kinda when the insanity starts. "o, we'll fix it."
asciilifeform: though 'protected' also added page table and thereby virtual addressing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this the real that was address-ambiguous, which is how 286 "protected" mode came about ?
asciilifeform: you're still stuck with the 'segments' idiocy, though
asciilifeform: entirely identical to classical 'real' mode but without the 20bit limit.
asciilifeform: all compliant intel clones support another mode, not mentioned in manuals, which became known as 'unreal mode'
asciilifeform: therefore 'real'.
asciilifeform: afaik the etymology of 'real' in 'real mode' was such: no use made of page tables and other indirections
asciilifeform: but when weitek (original brand of 'fpu') appeared, registers therein were already, iirc, 80 bit
mircea_popescu: "real mode", in the following sense : just like you have ints and floats, ie, reals, ie, two ints bundled together one playing mantissa
asciilifeform: the year was pure idiocy.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: think of the children!
mircea_popescu: people easily forget that the "two byte year" comes from a time when they also had a 20 byte bus
jurov: we got there by piling chairs upon poor 8088. preserving binary compatibility for all costs worked for people involved
jurov: and i'm not sure it's actually intel fault...rather msft was utterly inept to use real mode emulation
mircea_popescu: anwyay, you could rewrite your io.sys. this was trivial enough to do that brigther highschoolers did it to prank each other.
asciilifeform: apps were expected to talk directly to hardware << except for disk. hence the 'd' in msdos.
jurov: not very fair comparison...there was Das IBM PC, apps were expected to talk directly to hardware
asciilifeform: that's another thing
asciilifeform: most folks who remember msdos with ill thoughts, i've found, suffered in the latter part of the '90s with 'memory hell'
mircea_popescu: yes. now there;s all this demonic elaborate suckage from hell.
ben_vulpes: mebbe a motto for the foundation
mircea_popescu: a point not commonly reached these days
ben_vulpes: i am interested in the history, though.
mircea_popescu: anyway point being it's the level 0 of suck, ie, a honest, basic suckage.
mircea_popescu: 2. what was the dependency hell like ?
mircea_popescu: you may have a point there.
ben_vulpes: all the free voice anyone could want...
jurov: these insufficiently beaten kids
asciilifeform: the one h. ford fought with
chetty: and sadly there are very few good horses now, at least comparably
chetty: I wonder if there was a gentlemans club somewhere that lamented the arrival of the automobile and just knew it would ruin good horses
asciilifeform: (slippery even without them, but manageably so)
mircea_popescu: in other news : the eulora tier 0 items recipes etc are finally finished as a bulk. on next update, game will get the ~100 or so maze of resources, armors, hats, what have you.
asciilifeform: identity is a slippery thing when there are brain parasites about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate. << the practical problem with this is that bayesian filtering only works for as long as it stays small.
asciilifeform: and seeking to infect others.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: author - straight to biodiesel. co-miserators - straight to biodiesel. <<< there's lizzard hitler, and then there'
kakobrekla: once you enable private network all the charts in their ui become unreadable colors form some unknown fuckin reason. i wanted old colors back, cant do it without downtime. fuckers.
mircea_popescu: hey there chiral.
mircea_popescu: apparently they're molesting britni
assbot: And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zag0yY )
mircea_popescu: i dun wanna rewrite the whole thing ;/
mircea_popescu: mebbe ? the onle where the entire cycle of kid sees spam -> kid imagines this works because it exists -> kid tries it for a while, thus perpetuating it -> kid fails to make any money goves up -> new kid
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you happen to recall that trilema article where i went in depth into the economics of spamming ?
asciilifeform: 'As the biggest online newspaper in Slovakia we need to effectively handle everyday peaks in traffic on our online discussions regarding "women segment".' << wat
jurov: ^ dudes feel pathetic (and don't accept btc)
kakobrekla: all i can say (as i dont have or had access to the machine) that there is something that looks like ddos + complaint from outside of do
punkman: kakobrekla got a mail that an attack was originating from the deed server
kanzure: don't they know it only counts if you come up with a novel zero day? otherwise all the points go to charity.
asciilifeform: specifically, there is a vandal lurking in #b-a who 'metasploits' uncloaked folks
asciilifeform: 'the time has come, the walrus said, to talk of many things: of shoes, and ships, and sealing-wax, of cabbages and kings; and why the sea is boiling hot, and whether pigs have wings...'
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: this plus the fact of the decryptor routine itself normally stored on disk
nubbins`: what, they're bandaging broken dicks now?
BingoBoingo: Is today the day gauze maybe comes off?
jurov: redditards being themselves
jurov: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2n261b/buttcoin_is_worth_its_weight_in_gold/ "teh r/buttcoin is the only non-circlejerk" circlejerk :)
cazalla: Belxjander: added this channel to my bouncer <<< i remember doing this, thinking to myself.. which bitcoin channels represent me as a person.. anyway, this is the only channel you need
mircea_popescu: so, it'd seem the various issues some people were experiencing were in fact due to upstream filtering due to an unfortunate interaction of various rules. should be fixed now, so,
asciilifeform: anyone who creates a gizmo which depends on shitstemd - has asked to share the fate.
asciilifeform: 'i would not, could not,' in the zoo, i would not, could not, with a gnu, i would not, could not, in a cage, i would not, could not, with a mage...
asciilifeform: the solution is not taxidermy. do we taxidermy cockroaches? mice ?
assbot: Logged on 20-11-2014 04:57:26; asciilifeform: achilles said to tortoise, let me stick the cock in halfway.
asciilifeform: why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head << no.
asciilifeform: and what, precisely, is the issue with 3TB disk ?
asciilifeform: this is easily the most putrid crock of shit i've seen in ages, masquerading as 'linux article'
asciilifeform: punkman: the 'solution' from the linked article (throw away the res, 4 pixels for 1) is even more obscene than the supposed 'problem'
punkman: "Your editor's laptop recently started to fall apart, to the point that some sort of action was required. Duct tape was considered as a solution; it would show that LWN is making careful use of its subscription revenues"
mircea_popescu: and then they bitch when people want to do them violence. they should be fucking thankful, a good whipping'd benefit em immensely.
mircea_popescu: on linux ffs. and then "So what ideas made "linux" and "unix" "worth using""
mircea_popescu: look at the sort of idiotic windows nt topics we're discussing.
punkman: another fun exercise, trying to install Linux on 3TB disk
mircea_popescu: the other even more ridiculous thing is, infantile minds going LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU WHY CANT YOU GIVE ME A STRAIGHT ANSWER THAT IS WHAT I WANT YOU TO SAY!!1
decimation: if you have ever used an 'android' system you encounter a similar thing when using their app 'permission' system. one ends up being a hostage to the app's demands for access
mircea_popescu: gvfs depedning on netbase is perhaps the biggest example. who the fuck ever heard of this.
mircea_popescu: more dependencies than needed anyway. creatinbg even more fucking bloat is the wrong way.
decimation: actually, the bigger question about systemd dependencies is this: what dependency of systemd is actually worth bothering about?
mircea_popescu: " All I can say is that there is stable LTE service between Texas and Colorado that work at speed in excess of eighty-eight miles per hour and that one can do a lot with a macbook charger, a working alternator, a bit of cabling and entry-level electrical engineering knowledge."
mircea_popescu: it's roughly like a stolid square from the 60s calling his woody a "party van".
mircea_popescu: he has exactly nothing to do with "tea party", this is beyond hot topicizing the issue.
mircea_popescu: http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png << t5his, if anyone's still genuinely wondering, is half the bile against poettering.
punkman: there are some people working on it
mircea_popescu: no need for all the shit it bundles to be actually bundled.
mircea_popescu: basically, gut it, use the remaining shell as a systemd-standardized interface for sane components.
mircea_popescu: one question left hanging in my head : once all the effort trying to push systemd is spent, why not just make a clone that's been shot in the head. specifically, that runs as an instance even if the root doesn't have it, and that masquerades as systemd to satisfy fake dependencies.
punkman: I never got into the might and magic series
mircea_popescu: hey jon! get in the wot!
punkman: '"I pirated Maniac Mansion and Monkey Island when I was a kid and I feel bad!" This reward tier instantly absolves you of all guilt and includes the Thimbleweed Park game. All subsequent tiers also include guilt absolution.'
decimation: well, you can clearly see the strategy of 'embrace, extend, extinguish'
mircea_popescu: the invasive plant
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah im not that close to it to recall the stuff, half the time im trying to guess, and i mean wtf -v
kakobrekla: yeah have you seen the logs?
kakobrekla: then it will be first, last and in order
decimation: I wonder if one can 'disable' the javascript hook that causes this
asciilifeform: paradoxically, it is actually more annoying to me than to most lamers, because i end up doing some actual work, to grab the machine by the neck until shits itself into submission
decimation: asciilifeform: a betrayal of the first order, this, the computer serving someone other than its master
asciilifeform: i want to stab authors of www browsers who enable 'right click disable' in the front.