decimation: it's 'dead' in the sense that there's apparently no serious alternative to redhat-salaried developers who 'maintain' the core of userspace
ben_vulpes: wither compute?
decimation: when asked why they were not going to support a standalone udev, Lennart wrote: "Anyway, as soon as kdbus is merged this i how we will maintain udev, you have ample time to figure out some solution that works for you, but we will not support the udev-on-netlink case anymore. I see three options: a) fork things, b) live with systemd, c) if hate systemd that much, but love udev so much, then implement an alternative userspace for kdbus
decimation: they got the idea (probably from Lennart) that it would be a good idea to make udev depend on systemd
decimation: it seems that Kay Sievers (and before him Greg KH) were the de-facto maintainers of udev
mats_cd03: looks like mp was right, the price didn't budge for black friday
xanthyos: even easier to mouth synch with the latex turtle head mouths
xanthyos: looks like many other "bad lip reading" clips on yotuube
kuzetsa: cazalla: I'm uncomfortable with the voiceovers and such on it
cazalla: kuzetsa, there is like 10 episodes and it is a better watch than the remake you intend to watch
xanthyos: remember the scene when young shredder takes all the bells in the dark room without ringing one?
cazalla: kuzetsa, nigga turtles is the best remake to date http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJspVE355Do
kuzetsa: either it's racist humor or your misspelling was unfortunate
cazalla: ah yeah, i've never watched any of the reboots
kuzetsa: the one that came out in the past 36 months & just came out on bluray in the past few weeks
kuzetsa: I'm old enough to have grown up around the time the original TMNT animated series was still on the air, but that doesn't make it (or me) any cooler I guess
decimation: Translation: in exchange for political support, manipulation of the masses, etc, we expect to be paid in usg-authorized indentured servants
decimation: news from the 'stem jobs' chumpatron: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-11-24/the-tech-worker-shortage-doesnt-really-exist << "Asked what evidence existed of a labor shortage, a spokesperson for Facebook e-mailed a one-sentence statement: “We look forward to hearing more specifics about the President’s plan and how it will impact the skills gap that threatens the competitiveness of the tech sector.”"
assbot: We are very happy to be able to inform you about the news on Skrill (MoneyBookers) via this new unofficial twitter account!
assbot: We’d like to assure our customers that /skrill is in no way associated with the /MoneyBookers account or the news and views that it shares.
cazalla: adlai, turns out that @moneybookers account has nothing to do with them, they rebranded as skrill and someone is squatting the old name
adlai: with overlays of all the possible nonsense generated by overfatted TA
adlai: candles in the mpex charts change color!
adlai: cazalla: did anything happen from that? the twitter "conversation" is pretty thin
cazalla: adlai, plus given the social media raping of western union the other day, moneybookers preempting it happening to them.. look at us, we're pro bitcoin, really!
assbot: Our vision of the future? Drink real beer, pay with virtual money. http://t.co/isEXOgFIyZ /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash /hashtag/OpenYourWorld?src=hash http://t.co/SOXL9IShdN
cazalla: adlai, similar to when Heineken said bitcoin is a vision of the future, drink our beer etc, BitPay offerred to help and then turn around and go oh nah we're good https://twitter.com/BitPay/status/412782271821656064
assbot: /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash is truly an amazing invention. Thank you all for the feedback!
cazalla: adlai: cazalla, BingoBoingo, et al: qntra doesn't seem to have covered https://twitter.com/MoneyBookers/status/537127236881907713 yet <<< these things read like nothing more than an attempt to drum up some social media chatter, look at their response https://twitter.com/MoneyBookers/status/537824090610888705
ben_vulpes: get a shitty old computer, wipe it, put debian on it and keep it isolated from the internet.
xanthyos: yeah the whole way apps are installed is so foreign
ben_vulpes: i'm actually just checking the robustness of my new bouncer setup, xanthyos
mircea_popescu: they'd make great soviet bureaucrats, if only there existed a soviet soyuz for them to run into the ground.
mircea_popescu: all things considered, i would say this is a reasonable summary of the business acumen of your average argentinian.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/MUhiziud << so basically these idiots want me to what, bring-my-own-contact for their idiotic group ?
mthreat: evinrude the motor
mthreat: The Rescuers was one of my favorite movies...
assbot: King's Bounty, the iPad reboot pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vWAzSR )
thestringpuller: the voice actors must be old as fuck
pete_dushenski feels like the cricket cooks from the rescuers down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnEIh1GR3SA
mod6: thestringpuller: thx!
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding actual gold use is 1% or less of the metal in circulation, and usually less than production.
mircea_popescu: adlai those are mostly in india, and they have a huge problem keeping supplies up
adlai: it might not be the most open market, but I doubt that's to the detriment of the interest in question
adlai: well, I imagine factories that need physical gold for actual use have some way of obtaining it from the entities that are holding gold for whatever "speculative" use
mircea_popescu: it's like the proposition that there's an open market in police work. no, there isn't, not for as long as an agent steals any of it that it feels like and torches the efforts of anyone else.
mircea_popescu: adlai except how would there be an open market ?
ben_vulpes: who knew the usg'd bought so much MPOE :p
adlai: at least, not in the vault where we'd expect
adlai: mircea_popescu: maybe less braindamaged with the unspoken assumption spelled out: that some nontrivial amount of the gold returned to germany etc must first be bought on the open market, since it might not exist in any vault right now
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 32 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> yeah. puh-the-tic
mircea_popescu: and so the scammers of all stripes and colors, under the high patronage of the united states government, keep doing great business.
mircea_popescu: other than that, germany is always happy to think that a claim, no matter how unlikely, to "its gold" is more valuable to it than blowing the scam open.
mircea_popescu: in the entire history of that fucking thing, there's like, one case where the "i'll pay a little sometime when i can" thing blew up, and that was when mpoe-pr prosecuted harnett's "bank
mircea_popescu: decimation here's the thing with scammers, in bitcoin or otherwise : to the chump, a "claim" is worth as much as it can be pretended into being worth. and so, to chump-germany or to random tardstalk "investor", it is actually better to credit the scammer ("oh, they'll repay eventually) than to enforce the loss.
mircea_popescu: you srsly just went "we'll see how it goes for employees, maybe 50 btc in danny's wallet is a great thing for them" ?
adlai: we'll see how things work out for germany in a decade. who knows, maybe all that gold being bought on the open market will pay off nicely for germany by the time they receive it
decimation: heh. in that case germany 'tried' to actually take the 'bill' from the 'wallet', turns out they couldn't and just gave up
mircea_popescu: people are just doing what they're used to, and then they're surprised when it doesn't work. it didn't work before, either, but hey, still in denial about that part.
mircea_popescu: so ? isn't this how the usg works already ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: i wonder if im the youngest asset-er << how old are you ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: the tricky part is speaking it, i often sub in canto words by abusing tones and i don't realize im doing it << dude's got some problems i can scarcely imagine.
mircea_popescu: scam ddos, it does nothing by itself, it just hopes and prays maybe someone gives a shit so that the "countermeasures" actually do some damage.
mircea_popescu: not like we want the sort of noobs it filters out anyways.
ben_vulpes: yeah. puh-the-tic
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: well. i mean, you can pickle and ferment anything, but i doubt regular cabbage would be any good <<< are you fucking kidding me ? regular cabbage, without none of this fish sauce crap, is THE THING.
mircea_popescu: (and from the ground up)
mircea_popescu: lol they're doing it with safety in mind ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wait, actually they ferment FISH products ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes " throwing their kids" << ?
cazalla: armageddon or whatever the fuck you want to call it
cazalla: dub, day of the rope
cazalla: 1hr:25m into this 4hr australian senate hearing, they have no clue of what is coming
davout: and who is aethero?
fluffypony: we all thought you'd been kidnapped by aethero
adlai: although it does seem that there's a difference between what section 7 says and automatically faster blockchain *downloads*
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=27-11-2014#937485 << expertise usually consists of more than just understanding the concept of a hash tree
punkman: $10k for the RGB LED version
mats_cd03: watch out for gavin in the second iteration
BingoBoingo: Then again if it was a turkey induced halucination Bitcoin wouldn't exist and I could learn C to become Satoshi.
BingoBoingo assumes inevitable death regarless of bot attitude, because the avians will eventually depose the reptilians
mats_cd03: they're smarter than me, remember everything, and i have persistent nightmares one will kill me someday
mats_cd03: i refer to all bots in the feminine
BingoBoingo: For Srs though there's people who pop in here who have yet to finish High school
BingoBoingo: Still, there's prolly younger.
mats_cd03: i wonder if im the youngest asset-er
BingoBoingo: The best time to retire was Yesterday...
mats_cd03: i don't know shit about music either
BingoBoingo: I mean can you find a single Texan capable of speaking the Queen's English?
mats_cd03: the tricky part is speaking it, i often sub in canto words by abusing tones and i don't realize im doing it
mats_cd03: i can understand mandarin at a sixth grade level and generally fill in the gaps with educated guesses
BingoBoingo: And not because the language is hard, but because the way the language has been twisted are so stupid.
Vexual: learn it on the menu
BingoBoingo still awaits the avains to depose lizard hitler in favor of Hawk Hitler
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: So the procedure for that is you but up a bid and see who bites.
Vexual: yeah, what are you gonna do with all the money?
mats_cd03: and some sysadmin skills to relieve the mind fuck
BingoBoingo: What the fuck is a thanksgiving resolution. Thanksgiving is the holiday where you embrace your vices!
BingoBoingo likes the approach he observes locally where the hajis sell substances of vice because revenue
punkman: but I think I might find some of the good cabbage now that I look at it again
punkman: there's one that sells to hotels/restaurants, doesn't have fresh produce though
Vexual: I can't believe you don't have an asian grocer; they're ubiquitous here
assbot: How Fish Sauce Is Made: A Visit With a Fish Sauce Maker in Sa Chau, Vietnam — Maker Tour | The Kitchn ... ( http://bit.ly/128Ay08 )
punkman: http://www.thekitchn.com/how-fish-sauce-is-made-a-visit-with-a-fish-sauce-maker-in-sa-chau-vietnam-maker-tour-203405
punkman: guess that might do the trick
Vexual: those koreans love world of warcraft until they dont eat
Vexual: wee you playing wow in the kitchen?
Vexual: got the recipie now, give thanks
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That's what the flintstones are for.
kakobrekla: anyway cant tell from the pic, is it still breathing or not ?
nubbins`: p has been complaining whenever i open the container to peek
assbot: How To Make Easy Kimchi at Home — Cooking Lessons from The Kitchn | The Kitchn ... ( http://bit.ly/1zBB2Xw )
nubbins`: http://www.thekitchn.com/how-to-make-cabbage-kimchi-cooking-lessons-from-the-kitchn-189390
cazalla: ok, revised story is up http://qntra.net/2014/11/the-bitcoin-com-au-story-continues/
mats_cd03: 17:43:31 <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42300 @ 0.00030027 = 12.7014 BTC [-] << whoever's dumping shares can't possibly be running a profit ... the mystery continues
BingoBoingo remembers Bob Costas covering the Winter Olympics with his eye herpes
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I watch the sport and even I've conceded to refering to it as Handegg when addressing an international audience
ben_vulpes: help i cant get off the couch
ben_vulpes: dads not even throwing their kids rather just elevatoring the pupae up and down in a mockery of the act
TomServo makes another manhatten.
TomServo: ben_vulpes: thanks for the debug.log tip
ben_vulpes: well i shopped for the wine but thats mostly because nobody else can be trusted with that
BingoBoingo: Well, not enough come with the Turkey on its own. But yes the day is about eating, napping, eating again.
kakobrekla: but who is shopping then ?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's all about the stuffing. Stuffing is always better than the Turkey. This year picked up an extra pound and a half of hearts to go in it.
ben_vulpes: poor guy has nothing to do and so derps in public when the forum's out
BingoBoingo: It tastes sweet. More so than the sweet potatoes which get baked with marshmallows
BingoBoingo: Google Image's best picture of the item in question
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The cranberry sauce as is traditional retained the shape of the can. Not the best part of the holiday, but the best that cranberry sauce can be
kakobrekla: how was the turkey?
diametric: oh so thats the guy ddosing?
kakobrekla: idk i thought they work in groups at mcdonalds
mats_cd03: the spammer's life is lonely
kakobrekla: <fivezerotwo> now I am going to ddos targets I actually give a fuck about. but don't worry, you can have you fun with bitbet afterwards with the same qntra/trilema-down flood
kakobrekla: another round pls.
mircea_popescu: diametric: decimation: pretty much whats been happening for the last few days << freenode (and irc generally) isn't exactly a paragon of predictable behaviour
mircea_popescu: lol people love to herd. you should see teh argentines, it's like their favourite passtime, form a queue.
jurov: The attached image is an ominous depiction of a massive Walmart retail shop with throngs of would-be shoppers waiting outside with American flags in the evening rain as dark clouds roll in.
kakobrekla: highlight the funny line will ya?
diametric: i'm tempted to go drive around now and look at the idiots waiting in lines for black friday midnight sales.
diametric: So the server running at 2610:150:4b0f::: is fucked up badly.
diametric: the particular ipv6 freenode server i was connecting to I was getting like ~15% packet loss on. I picked another server from the round-robin AAAA records for chat.freenode.net, no packet loss now.
mats_cd03: the evaporation of my mpoe shares continues
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla has been abusing their shit with bitcoinds
kakobrekla: they are a spinoff of some serial company
diametric: decimation: pretty much whats been happening for the last few days
diametric: decimation: happened about 30 minutes ago, i was afk until now, but i could see the bouncer informing me it was booted from freenode.
decimation: asciilifeform: there is also an art to packing the keys on a keyboard to just the right density
decimation: diametric: I don't see any join/leave logs from you in the past few minutes
diametric: so even cloaked I'm getting randomly booted off freenode. I think my disconnects are entirely coincidental and unrelated to any join ddos, since I can't find any evidence of the latter.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i never understood the 'happy hacking keyboard' and imitators. being as i live and die by function keys, the more the merrier. why voluntarily have fewer?
adlai: whether you keep provably irrelevant merkle branches is more of an afterthought that an individual node can do on its own
adlai: what is there to buy?
adlai: ben_vulpes: section 7 "Reclaiming Disk Space" in the whitepaper explains this, and also suggests that this issue long predates and is unrelated to block size
ben_vulpes: http://atreus.technomancy.us/ << perhaps the solution to the "portable computing" problem is not a laptop per se, but more modularized infrastrucutre.
ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that it's not a real blockchain unless it has all of the transactions.
assbot: Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'") ... ( http://bit.ly/126wjSL )
adlai: ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/10/25_notes-on-increasing-the-maximum-bitcoin-block-size-or-why-it-aint-happenin.html#fn.5 << you can have the entire blockchain without most old transactions, since the block header commits to the merkle root of the block, not the entire thing
adlai: "I would like to claim as my own… the theory of comparative superpower collapse" - dmitri orlov << I get that he's perceptive about the present, but has he not read any history from more than 100 years ago!?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai. Trust relationship from user assbot to user adlai: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=adlai | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adlai | Rated since: Sat Oct 11 10:15:58 2014
adlai: where'd the -assets go!?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: jurov: yeah I meant on the IRC network level
fluffypony: eugh, "reverse" the hash
diametric: but someone pointed out that all it would take is someone to reverse the hash.
diametric: also theres a guy with magical powers in #freenode that can reverse hashes.
mircea_popescu: jesus sitting in the safe confines of over here one readily forgets just how fucktarded teh outside world is.
mircea_popescu: anyway : another job on the job board - who wants to take https://github.com/mikexstudios/qwebirc and run it on a box somewhere, except NOT leaking out the IP of the user ?
Diablo-D3: somewhere in the realm of too lazy, though.
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: the website sucks, we alllll know.
diametric: kakobrekla: oh yeah. i worked for the isp that hosted riaa's website when napster was shutdown, i'm all too familiar with ddosing =)
diametric: I'm not looking at any particular ports, i'm just looking at the raw interface stats
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe if you ignore it it goes away, and the room average iq jumps a coupla points.
diametric: mircea_popescu: yeah i figured, but the interesting part to me is that it only interrupts my connection to freenode. nothing else.
diametric: but i'd still see tons of packets on the interface coming in
diametric: i mean the peak throughput i've had sustained for any period of time has been 100k/s
Anduck: so, the 'experience' would be you trying to dos me?
diametric: i'm connected to my bounce server when the "ddos" happens, but i don't see any unusual packets coming into it, nor do is my connection to my server from my house impacted in anyway, but i do get booted off freenode.
diametric: sigh.. the staff keep ignoring my request for an unaffiliated.
mircea_popescu: say something interesting then!
indiancandy1: inthe conv
kakobrekla: do you want the experience or not?
gribble: You rated user Anduck on Thu Aug 14 13:39:36 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/14#l1408037518 and this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/07/23#l1406132751.
kakobrekla: here, i cleared the way for you.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user assbot to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012
Anduck: i am trying to find out the same about you, it is...
kakobrekla: Anduck tell that to the ddoser - not me.
kakobrekla is taking most of the hit
diametric: i'm actually quite curious how the ddos is taking place, my server show absolutely no abnormal traffic.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 you go in #freenode ask for a cloak, then you login first then join chan
Anduck: kakobrekla: what's there to be warned about not being cloaked?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell michail1 you left a rating on http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=the20year&sign=ANY&type=RECV
kakobrekla has been trying to warn people about lack or misuse of cloaks for the last day
kakobrekla: read the assbot message
Anduck: is the deeds site up?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Prune differences between file manifests in bitcoin src dirs. Edit the "bitcoin" and "chicken" paths to suit your environment. ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5ye84 )
PinkPosixPXE: ;;later tell ben_vulpes Hey there, prune_manifest.sh done for you and mod6 to review. Feel free to use/modify as needed, or let me know if you want me to make any changes. (if you decide to use it). Dpaste is not preserving my paste, so here's a gist: https://gist.github.com/thelinuxgirl/738cda58f5c85946b1a5
kakobrekla: loot the container in far cry 4 - get 'Cryptocurrency Drive'
decimation: well, yeah or the ring binding
nubbins`: "i had a dream last night where i made a solution of 1.0 g 5-benzyloxyindole in 20 mL Et2O, cooled it to 0 °C, vigorously stirred it, and treated it with 0.6 g oxalyl chloride in 10 mL Et2O, added dropwise, over the course of 0.5 h. my dream self wondered if a yellowish precipitate was normal. any thoughts?"
decimation: all of the sites I have found seem to want you to 'build the calendar with their web 2.0 warez!'
decimation: nubbins`: hey I have a question - is there somewhere in north america where one can order custom calendars?
nubbins`: for context, there's probably a thousand posts on drug forums that go something like "SWIM took a large dose of 25I-NBOMe and is feeling severe heart palpitations, and wonders if they should call 911"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=swim | S.W.I.M.. Acronym meaning: Someone Who Isn't Me But general use indicates that it is indeed the same person. S.W.I.M. decided to walk his dog today.
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FOAF | FOAF. Friend Of A Friend The way all good stories start ;). I heard from a FOAF that there's these twins named Lemonjello and Orangejello. Yeah, this pharmacist ...
asciilifeform: 100k << who the fuck cares about this number. the only number worth caring about: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-11-2014#924743
nubbins`: i have a FOAF who's really into 3d modelling, did some work on the hive queen in ender's game
nubbins`: i tried picking up blender a few years ago but realized i just don't have the patience
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 3d studio max r2 << 3d studio for msdos, last release - was the last really good proggy of that kind. i still use it now and again.
decimation: they would like to think so. also bureaucrats
decimation: mds in the us are basically insurance bureaucrats
mircea_popescu: "Godaddy sucks and it is a nightmare to register and transfer names using them." << doh.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> that;s right : i have more empathy for the god damned coins than for the derps involved. << this.
decimation: so you gotta wonder what they think in wall st. when some $90k a year 'bigshot' walks in and presumes to tell them how to conduct business
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hm. well... better save up buy an ipad then, turn it in for his share of the russian stock market later,
mircea_popescu: o but wait... they don't exist where he lives.
mircea_popescu: first case in three centuries where the state ends up prosecuted for bringing a case.