mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.' << exactly fucking right.
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asciilifeform: even if everyone suddenly desires to buy one, i half expect to be killed somewhere on the road between 1 and 2.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is quite mistaken in his picture of the missing parts.
BingoBoingo: To pass the time until cheap chicom memresistors?
asciilifeform: so, the bitcoind cleanup thing is conceivably useful, because end result could be the book i asked for, and a year or so from now i (or someone else) can read it, and build rational design.
asciilifeform: because the larger the pile, the more otherwise-reasonable folks say 'you cannot build a rationally built structure as tall as this pile, as glorious, without using old chairs and dead squirrels'
asciilifeform: now, observation: what kind of existing-computing-infrastructure project -is- worth participating in? (voluntarily, rather than because of starvation)
asciilifeform: idea is, roughly, 1) to avoid the kinds of participation that can be avoided; and, 2) try to expand the set in (1).
undata must sing for his supper, and therefore must participate
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: see, the thing about braindamage is that there is always one answer that costs nothing:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can the trollolol of having done his exercise already not be point enough?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq's the point
BingoBoingo: The one in Adobe Flash bytecode
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> author says he wrote it for me to trololol over but i'm merely bored. << If it still exists perhaps ship him his Lisp environment of the future.
undata: what I am trying to do in my own work is at least write lisp as the primary thing from which I derive the braindead shitpile
asciilifeform: undata: glad you enjoyed. i think there may even be one or two people in #b-a who ended up here on account of it.
undata: and by the way, I have enjoyed reading your blog.
mike_c: don't get too excited. gribble's a little dumb with the estimates
asciilifeform: also because there are armies of imbeciles (and their herders) who 'must stay relevant!' at whatever cost.
undata: asciilifeform: as I've learned lisp, I've started to wonder why there's anything else in the higher-level language space
asciilifeform: year zero, motherfuckers.
asciilifeform: the trick is to realize how many of the 'mandatory' features are actually anything but.
undata: can one person create a mass-producible lisp machine, the OS, etc?
undata: otherwise, shit pile
undata: I was anticipating the clojure plug about halfway in
asciilifeform: http://arrdem.com/2014/11/28/the_future_of_the_lispm << unrelated mega-lol
undata: asciilifeform: seems like there's just far too much spec for that to happen
jurov: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel. <<< you know UAE does not export much natural gas, just uses it to desalinate water...
undata: for their OS
asciilifeform: afaik there is still no www browser that correctly implements the whole pile of shit as an invariant
undata: asciilifeform: you mentioned whether browsers are simply tools to accumulate "market share"
asciilifeform: reminds me of something i wrote once: a kind of simple 'lisp machine' in 'adobe flash' bytecode. never published, because realized that the whole idea is braindamaged and will encourage further braindamage if anyone were to use it
undata: I suppose, though the DOM isn't relevant within it
undata: asciilifeform: a box you can either draw in 2D upon, or stick webgl in
BingoBoingo: Alternate history internet wish, dominant ircd fork is named arseC, name stick for the protocol
undata: I'm over here hacking clojurescript pretending my hardest that there isn't a browser underneath
asciilifeform: undata: the whole concept of 'web browser' is ultimately braindamaged. see one of my articles - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309
asciilifeform: i propose now a new and improved tax for usg: the -shitlicense-.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure you know. Just a dumb directory, except hypertext instead of the cheapest dead trees
BingoBoingo: But then they moved so far from that... I mean when facebook changed everyone's email address, insufficient people revolted
BingoBoingo: Much in the way Facebook was addressbook for dummies
asciilifeform: if interesting, get the fuck out of kolkhoz ('twitter', arsebook, etc.) and on real www
BingoBoingo: Or they silence anyone interesting, which happens appallingly often enough already
BingoBoingo: Tower of fire can have a standalone purpose. Making the orc fear that scarier orcs reside at the base
asciilifeform: for thermocouples - you want more of a potbelly stove, with long chimney
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd make more from selling the fuel.
undata: burn it to the ground; this field can't be saved
asciilifeform: these were pre-peltierjunction devices. dissimilar metals / seebeck's effect.
asciilifeform: somebody (does anyone give a shit?) could crawl the thing and deduplicate.
BingoBoingo: Many lols indeed, but I really dun want to test the limits of how far a blockquote tage can be stretched...
asciilifeform: 'how the world works!'
asciilifeform: 'Thank you folks for your work and I do apologize for the likely barrage of angry and childish emails I suspect you may already be receiving. The concept has attracted a couple of groups who can't accept playing by anyone's rules but their own.'
jborkl: They were pushing hard, thats for sure
jborkl: Any story behind all the SMPOE selling?
nubbins`: there's a ddos bot?
jborkl: thanks to the ddos bot, real mature
rithm: i bought the frame and matte for my heisenberg woodcut too
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rithm: it's perfect hanging in a music studio then
nubbins`: some kid named johnny cowabunga bought the rights to use it for an album cover :0
rithm: i'll send you a pic once it's hung in the studio
kakobrekla: deeds is punkman, search is mthreat the rest is me
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla runs the main site
nubbins`: various people are in charge of the subdomains
arij: can some one please point me in the direction of whoever maintains bitcoin-assets.com?
BingoBoingo: Save your self, run to the bacon and ham.
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BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_world_/2014/12/02/yoan_moncada_is_it_now_legal_for_cuban_ballplayers_to_leave_their_country.html << US office of foreign assets control now impounds and reviews... Baseball players before import
mircea_popescu: people are internet-interested, which is to say, up until that point when the wallet has to come out.
mircea_popescu: for the reason that you know, nobody absolutely had any ethereum in the first place ?
mircea_popescu: here's a newsflash : idiots defrauded by garza haven't "lost their money trying to take over bitcoin" anymore than the idiots defrauded by buterin & the us propaganda machine through the etherium scam have lost their money "trying to take over bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: dude such typical scammer behaviour. "set an impossible goal for your ponzi scheme, at least the chumps can then pretend they failed doing something important"
jurov: oh mod6 i forgot to suggest to send it as "patch" so that people can just add signatures.. nm, i'll add it there somehow
mircea_popescu: it's like the good days of the 90s all over again. "oh, you don't have a computer at home ? THEN YOU CANT PLAY WITH US!"
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jurov: lol i realized the foundation's activity last month can be best described as "DNS scavenging"
jurov: yes, there are ways how to avoid problems described
mod6: *nod* sorry, forgot that the orig wasn't wrapped.
mircea_popescu: all email gets 80 col wrapped, if the original isn't so wrapped you can't get it to ever verify.
mod6: I sent it... hmm isn't showing up for me in the archive yet
jurov: will be a good testing sample for piling up the signatures
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ? << i've got a copy of mine with SHA512
BingoBoingo: Also revisiting the why does AK need rails piece http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/7-G41026.jpg is a commercial product offered for sale
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at the job ad on the side of the bloomberg article https://missionessential.csod.com/ats/careersite/JobDetails.aspx?id=14
mircea_popescu: jurov http://thebitcoin.foundation/ << got a signed copy of teh declaration thingee you can put up there ?
mircea_popescu: text's not in there sadly.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking! << we'll talk once your kid grows up a little. it's not about you. it's about the Vladimir Lenin All-Union Pioneer Organization.
BingoBoingo: The fish get constipated?
jurov: they answer on #bitcoin.cz sometimes
kakobrekla: well fuck me then
kakobrekla: i mean, it stands for something other than hiv no?
BingoBoingo: Maybe load scamsite of the week in an iframe below a banner that says "Lol, cocks. HIV!"
jurov: well, if we have someone with +9 diplomacy skill.. try to turn them over?
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jurov: they asked some documents to prove i'm owner, so i let it go
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "<davout> yes, continuous trading seems so much simpler, not sure if there's a blocker i'm missing tho << it's nonsense, what exactly is a future that has no future date ?" <<< didn't say there shouldn't be a maturity date, i said trading should be continuous
cazalla: mircea_popescu: plowman desperately needs city man because well, his village is so boring watching flies fuck is a release <<< plowman has ample room for gardening, perhaps rabbits and even other livestock.. plowman is actually plowking!
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BingoBoingo: ^If notary were here would be entered into the record.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What are the rought loper-os dreams after Chicom memresistors?
asciilifeform: ^ another rocket ad
BingoBoingo had a dream... Where the avaians crashed a ship while trying to depose the reptilians and I managed to kit out a fishing boat with their sweet alien gear...
mircea_popescu: i mean it's not a bad way to waste money, who knows what the reaearching kids come up with
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point is not that it is physically impossible to shoot a falling cone. but that it is a thermodynamic race that the rocket man - wins. and the death ray man - loses.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all of them.
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, the implication is that you plot its trajectory and wait for it there
asciilifeform: decimation: the traditionally beloved pill is particle weapons
asciilifeform: the entire subject quietly went away.
decimation: also, the implication is that you either have an anti-missile that travels much faster (therefore less mass on target)
mircea_popescu: at some point, the rocket, low on fuel, turns back towards the earth. at that point it's damned slow.
mircea_popescu: decimation terminal velocity is not the point.
asciilifeform: for otherwise-ineducable imbeciles.
mircea_popescu: anyway, long story short, i dun think anyone's doing anything with any rockets. bulava or otherwise.
asciilifeform: potential of absorbing infinite money, the real military win.
BingoBoingo: Another /. submission http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=4029519
asciilifeform: can fire death rays at falling cones but this is what the decoy barrels are for.
asciilifeform: see also the american 'domino's pizza' bunker door ad.
decimation: yeah as far as I know, except for extremely expensive bezzlar rockets usg owns, there is very little that can be done to intercept ballistic missile once it is past its initial acceleration phase
asciilifeform: classical approach also has the rocket traverse from wherever to washington in 30 min.
mircea_popescu: half the planes in active duty can shoot one down ?
asciilifeform: what's the slow part?
asciilifeform: ^ they are conducting a whole series of made-for-youtube 'yeah they still work motherfuckers' tests.
decimation: http://theaviationist.com/2014/10/30/spike-in-russian-air-force-activity-in-europe-may-be-a-reaction-to-large-us-strategic-command-bombers-exercise/
decimation: maybe he was one of the famous 'bums of san francisco' who mistook the escalator for a toilet http://heavy.com/news/2012/07/transit-escalators-clogged-with-insane-amounts-of-human-turd/
decimation: they still generally expect to repair own heavy equipment
mircea_popescu: decimation the best way for you to access that spirit is, read up on koschei.
mircea_popescu: it worked because it echoed what the idiots in question were thinking anyway.
mircea_popescu: the propaganda said this specifically, but it worked not because it said it
asciilifeform: but aha, death in the great belomor canal, or in trenches, is exciting. wish i had some right now.
mircea_popescu: genuinely loved it. the fucking adventure of it all, fuck dude, think of it, he's like a hero of legend.
mircea_popescu: the other construction is that peasant 20 yo kid FUCKING LOVED getting to travel, getting to work on a construction yard and whistle at anon girls in skirts passing by
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
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mircea_popescu: "need" doesn't work in this ethereal, abstract way you use it.
mircea_popescu: if this patent nonsense had any sort of irl merit, you'll be stuck explaining the crowd at my door.
decimation: no far more important than food were reliable 'rivers of meat' to turn up at the voting-box
asciilifeform: until RuBisCo is fixed and you can grow five men's bread in a pot in the cellar under grow lamp.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform rural anything doesn't need keeping down. << I embrace it. If the gasenwagen need to burn moar wood to collect me...
decimation: there are loads of major and minor cities that were hollowed out as part of the dekulakization program
decimation: yeah but the us between the coasts (especially east of the mississippi) isn't exactly rural
asciilifeform: dead duck with one trump card - the food.
mircea_popescu: decimation chechens are a fan of whatever empire they happen to have clung to the skirts of.
mircea_popescu: turns out the solution is adding &ncr=1 to whatever string you use for autosearch
decimation: yeah, this is pretty much why blacks live in eastern urban cores by the way
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
asciilifeform: their job was to keep rural usa down.
decimation: such a grand strategy usg undertook, to import all of its enemies worldwide and make them citizens so we could all love them with socialism
decimation: asciilifeform: us chechens probably aren't a fan of usg either
BingoBoingo: decimation: The fear that people who aren't white are so pissed at whites they are targeting people most whites don't consider white in spite of optics
decimation: BingoBoingo: the fear being that the Bosnians didn't get the memo that they supposed to do whatever usg or the local thugs demand?
BingoBoingo: A lot of people in the region won't admit it, but yes Bosnians are very white and this worries them.
decimation: here's the ny post coverage. dude looks pretty darn white to me (the guy on the st. louis dispatch story is one of the perps) http://nypost.com/2014/12/01/teens-savagely-beat-man-with-hammers-in-random-attack/
BingoBoingo: My brother the Dentist in little Sarajevo in St Louis feels safer there than in Gretchen Wilson country where he grew up... largely because he assumes his neighbors are so much more armed.
decimation: apparently this video was taken shortly after the Bosian was attacked https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIPZ09WcTWk
BingoBoingo: In St Louis the Bosnians benefit from geographic concentration and the part where "white" people love living in bosnian neighborhoods
BingoBoingo: I honestly think is was stupid for a mixed gang of Hispanics and Black americans to pick on the Bosnians for lacking melanin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends on the races involved.
mircea_popescu: this is the original spark of mob turf wars, too. it's basically free money.
mircea_popescu: "we're the one you need to pay for rain and sunshine"
decimation: meanwhile on the other side of the river: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html "St. Louis police Chief Sam Dotson spoke with residents at the street protest Sunday night. He said he was sorry about what happened and sought to reassure people the killing did not appear motivated by race or ethnicity."
mircea_popescu: decimation listen, the market in security is such that various groups always tend to posture as you know
BingoBoingo: decimation> the real reason Ferguson was held was to excite the blacks to turnout 110% for hilary << Hilary's not running. Jim Webb.
decimation: that and to distract from the fact that obama & the dems lost big "we lost but whitey is still racis!!!"
decimation: if the 'oath keepers' demostrate that peace can be kept without swat/usg/fed/bureaucracy, 'people' might get the wrong idea
mircea_popescu: while it's not much a matter of perception. pure thermodynamics.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah which is why the 'oath keepers' who appeared were a serious threat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem here is that you're thinking this in terms of perception,
asciilifeform: more of a generalized hypothesis.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> they are seen as 'legionaires' standing between him and the horde. << Very true in the case of Ferguson particulars
asciilifeform: the very thing that keeps average usaschwitz inmate from wishing for dead swat men
BingoBoingo: decimation: How much are you bidding for the job?
decimation: how does one swat raid the swat team?
asciilifeform: this is one reason it is kept. because the supply of pliant cattle is bottomless.
mircea_popescu: country of cowards will straigthen in teh grave.
decimation: I donno, if jury trial is abolished, one might find many more declared and undeclared 'oath keepers' come out of the woodwork
asciilifeform: presently it's a useful propaganda tool - usg picks pliant juries reliably, gives extra spray paint coating of 'legitimacy' to everything the courts do.
mircea_popescu: take the 2-3year average lifespan to 16 monts, what of it.
Vexual: australia gets a lot more people shot in their kitchen for holding a kitchen knife than americaz
mircea_popescu: just on a general "well, vote for the underdog" thing.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, considering the line of work, a 2-3 year average lifespan for anyone involved would be reasonable.
BingoBoingo: SWAT man's advantage in the US is practice
asciilifeform: if there were danger, he would be a coward, like usa in iraq.
asciilifeform: the ss man is bold precisely because impunity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. kinda the problem.
decimation: mircea_popescu: that facebook post above demonstrates there are those who fantasize about doing exactly that I think
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm. << USG dealing with CHina and Russia, won't seize but torch. Owner torches.
asciilifeform: difficulty drops << expect others, as usg torches miner farm after farm.
mircea_popescu: "In 2009 Mayor Cheye Calvo proposed a measure that would require every Maryland police department that operates a SWAT team to submit biannual reports on its activities, including where and when it was deployed and whether an operation resulted in arrests, evidence seizures, or injuries."
decimation: I guess they were forced to not accept bank transfers right?
xinxiwang: none of them was shut down.
decimation: xinxiwang: what about the exchanges that were shut down?
xinxiwang: surely they can.
decimation: xinxiwang: are people in the prc generally able to hold bitcoin?
xinxiwang: they cannot ban it.
asciilifeform: 'We've apologized for the incident, but we will never apologize for taking drugs off our streets. Quite frankly, we'd do it again. Tonight.'
mircea_popescu: <decimation> like, you leave package on the postman's door? << pay homeless dude 10 bux ?
asciilifeform: they machine-gunned his dog.
asciilifeform: decimation: mayor raid << this was right where i lived at the time.
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