mircea_popescu: but no, the definition is i imagine quite ordinary.
asciilifeform: i suspect there is great variation
TomServo: Is there some definition of beating I'm unaware of?
asciilifeform: TomServo: it is possible to play the 'advanced' game, but you probably cannot assemble mircea_popescu's harem that way.
decimation: yeah yudkowsky and him co-wrote a paper on the 'ethics of artificial intelligence'
TomServo: mircea_popescu: no matter the level of advancement, always beat?
decimation: "The way you talk about superintelligence reminds me a lot about how medieval theologians talked about God. It's unbounded. It can do anything. Except maybe created a rock so heavy it can't move it. Has anyone ever made that observation to you, and what's your reaction to that? Guest: I think you might be the first, at least that I can remember. Russ: Hmmm."
assbot: Logged on 11-04-2014 11:50:41; Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
mircea_popescu: TomServo the theory is that you don't get that advanced human in any unverse that doesn't include beating as a possibility.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what's more insulting than the plain declaration that "[i really don't care enough about you to be bothered to] ever beat you"
mircea_popescu: it's like the nukes exactly. kids that know they can't EVER get in trouble grow up with various mental illnesses. kids that grow up knowing they could easily get in trouble grow up fine, and generally don't need to be beaten either.
asciilifeform lulz, having missed all the good shit
mircea_popescu: TomServo such wives exist only in a world where people are WILLING TO slap them.
decimation: the xenosystems author
kakobrekla: non-deterministic < better to stream comments to #b-a and harness the power of trolls
TomServo: I like the cops with no guns, find a citizen approach.
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decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/the-islamic-vortex-note-3a/ << herr land dismisses isis
adlai: when there's a deterministic profile for further scrutiny (public announcement of the bet in-channel), those who specifically wish to minimize scrutiny will stay just outside the profile. what if we make it non-deterministic?
mircea_popescu: no us citizen alive today is willing to sucker punch the wife if she talks back
decimation: now the situation is reversed, and citizens must ask police to wield guns. This confusion is at the root of much of what is wrong with usg.
decimation: re: only citizens could carry guns << that's a very good idea, and probably very close to what the 'founding fathers' had in mind
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: ;;later tell kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/859/cardano-to-ship-in-2014/#c4350 http://bitbet.us/bet/1078/bitcoin-to-drop-under-250-before-2015/#b32 http://themonkeycage.org/2011/03/11/randomizing_customs/
undata: argentina might have some things to say there as well
undata: so they've been getting this stuff ready
BlueMeanie4: they are anticipating things getting out of control
BlueMeanie4: theyre not prepping to get Al Queda
BlueMeanie4: he already clearly violates the Constitution
undata: one could see lots of the "antiterrorism" stuff as prepping for a civil war
undata: somebody rides in to "save the union"
undata: BlueMeanie4: gun control, but they also ship people around so they don't have a group that's entirely from one state
BlueMeanie4: i live in a red state, generally stay away from the blue areas
undata: BlueMeanie4: I'm actually from there
undata: the military though takes steps to avoid a state having its own state-sized chunk of military
BlueMeanie4: there are parallels for sure
mircea_popescu: it's their thoroughly debased and humiliated sons an' daughters that get the hitler.
mircea_popescu: those generally go fight in the trenches for five years.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not generally peoples wanting their "standard of living being preserved" that end up with hitler.
mircea_popescu: where is hte painter. show me the painter.
BlueMeanie4: MP: we can grow rich by serving each other Lattes!
BlueMeanie4: twatter is the most hilarious for sure
mircea_popescu: <undata> making pizzas << aaaand whose brilliant idea is that "we don't need industry, we can grow rich by doing each other's laundry" ?
BlueMeanie4: they are an increasingly ridiculed group
undata: BlueMeanie4: less and less of that with the economy as it is
mircea_popescu: so.. yeah, this "police will protect us" thing is going to last what, another year or two.
BlueMeanie4: one and the same with homo redditicus
BlueMeanie4: they have no relationship with reality
mircea_popescu: a town 3x the size of nyc.
BingoBoingo: "They should make Kalashnikov Mobile phones.. With high level of rugged-ness to be used in the harsher parts of the world..."
mircea_popescu: the us... heck, they're so fucking cowardly you can piss in their face and they'll likely limit themselves to complaining sottovoce.
BlueMeanie4: undata- oh ya , we call them Trustafarians
undata: BlueMeanie4: I recall some "livestreamer" of the PDX "protest" calling them pigs, then chatting up a girl
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 let me tell you something. they got bums everwhere here. one night, one prolly drunk dude got rambunctious and started yelling.
BlueMeanie4: its really nothing like e. europe, there are underlying tensions that you just dont have in a place like Romania
BlueMeanie4: tis the most immature deluded nonsense you can imagine
mircea_popescu: it's the people.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a low income "area".
BlueMeanie4: to them 'police' are these annoying characters who want to get between them and their pot habit
BlueMeanie4: they really have no idea what living in a low income area is like
BlueMeanie4: this is what a lot of these protestors dont understand, most are white middle/upper class
mircea_popescu: yeah, but that;'s principally because they suck.
BlueMeanie4: as that last video showed, there are plenty of ppl of all colors who do not want the police removed
mircea_popescu: if tyrone's the man and you're the woman, wear the fucking cock cage and go about your business.
mircea_popescu: go suck off to tyrone, why should the state push things away from equilibrium.
BlueMeanie4: in most american cities, esp. most black neighborhoods they wouldn't dare remove the police
mircea_popescu: solves the fake "problems" in all of five minutes, but also exposes the real problem :
mircea_popescu: and if you're unable or unwilling to stand your ground, well... you're not a citien either. go find one and hide behind him.
BingoBoingo: Celebrated winning the election, but... pretty despondent ever since
BlueMeanie4: ya 'centralization' is the problem, weve never had this much federal power before, mostly the states governed themselves
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 the "whole country" is only "a mess" in the sense that random idiots are inept, and the model where you run a continent as a centrally planned economy requires a lot more than a conclave of idiots in charge.
BingoBoingo: Now that the governor elect here in Illinois is getting briefed on how fucked the state is, I'm thinking he might quit before he can get sworn in.
BlueMeanie4: basically the whole country is a mess
mats_cd03: i lived there for several years
BlueMeanie4: let me guess - you live therE?
BlueMeanie4: they dont come out and say it but they all silently hope California falls into the ocean
mats_cd03: california's getting fixed, slowly. legislature's getting their shit together, but who knows if its enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess it can work as glass too. the noun i only knew as woad, paint.
undata: maybe that'll take care of the west coast (and me along with it!)
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BlueMeanie4: then you talk to a californian, and it's like : NEW BMW! something is very wrong here
BlueMeanie4: California in particular is going to be a huge mess. they can't pay their bills esp pensions and social services, politicians keep passing the buck
BlueMeanie4: the disparity in attitudes is just tremendous
assbot: C. Plini Secundi Naturalis historiae libri xxxvii., recens. et comm ... - Pliny (the Elder.) - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/12wcrcQ )
undata: mircea_popescu: the enemy which is opening the orifices through which our other enemies are barging in
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mircea_popescu: tl;dr : architect hired to build monastery, walls keep falling down, builds his young pregnant wife in there, walls stand,
undata: they're going to cause a collapse then their meat-puppet is going to pull an american-flavored hitler
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re hyalus flexibile (there's no such thing as flexile, and vitreus -a -um is an adjective in latin, directly mapping on vitreous) : http://www.poezie.ro/index.php/poetry/13925568/index.html
asciilifeform: of collapse? plenty savouring the taste as we speak.
BlueMeanie4: they've lived in uber-affluence for decades
BlueMeanie4: meanwhile the Californians are like: but it's got Flappybird!
BlueMeanie4: its just getting totally nuts here, you have to scotch tape the camera on your cell phone so they dont turn it on and record you
mircea_popescu: if they find a tyorne.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: That's kinder imagery than the Candida.
mircea_popescu: the low level morons might escape, maybe
BlueMeanie4: just the low level morons will get hung
mircea_popescu: i didn't get too far with my bloodlust in the romanian collapse,
mircea_popescu: time to jump ship, because the idiots that persist in "working for the government" WILL be hanged.
undata: that's what I'm anticipating; bezzleland seizes up, and there's a horde of superstitious morons suddenly available as a resource
mircea_popescu: the important part here is just how weakly this old man is.
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of aureus on your armpit hatching one regarding you, right now.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 there are numerous long, middle and short plans to break down anything standing all the time.
undata: the thing that comes after it will be worse.
BlueMeanie4: this place has become a !@#$ing nut house in the past 15 years
BlueMeanie4: i think there is a long term plan to break down america
undata: I don't deny that there could be foreign interest in stirring this up, but there's plenty of homegrown entitlement and idiocy to go around too
BlueMeanie4: maybe for you, but the average mouthbreathing american goes by TV or Twitter feed
BlueMeanie4: tells you that the agenda here is something quite different. They WANT tensions- that is the goal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how it matters obviously depends on context, but i was merely discussing the principle.
BlueMeanie4: just watch that video i posted. many regular black ppl think this is bogus, but they suppress that
asciilifeform: people aren't fundamentally evil, people are fundamentally stupid << is the desire of homo redditicus to be 'relevant!1!!' - at any and all cost to his betters - 'evil' or 'stupid' ? and how does the difference matter?
undata: oh, to their benefit
mircea_popescu: here's a pop quiz : would you say the "stricter laws" past 2001 were to the detriment of al-quaeda or to its benefit ?
BlueMeanie4: the Russians I think are running this
BlueMeanie4: i think personally they want to bring it to such high crisis level they can totally remake US govt.
undata: I don't see why the Russians have to be involved as boogeyman
mircea_popescu: im not keen on any of the derpy "national sovereigns"
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> in engineering these problems << the agenda is, "send nuland to dance naked in teh lubyanka. we didn't think the ukraine posturing was funny."
undata: there are similar barbarians in UK shitholes
BlueMeanie4: the UNHCR was invented specifically for Palestinians
undata: are you kidding? these "riots" are the US version of the same festering problems you see anywhere people are rotting in socialist paradise
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: To be fair when the Despots on the UNHCR criticize your human rights record, there may be a problem http://qntra.net/2014/12/un-report-criticises-united-states-on-human-rights/
undata: ... what problems, the "riots"?
BlueMeanie4: there are plenty of black ppl who think all this is ridiculous
BlueMeanie4: in engineering these problems
BlueMeanie4: there's a clear agenda here
mircea_popescu: there IS a differece.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: funny thing is, nyc probably sees the equivalent of five or six 'good riot' every night. just, not all in one street.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm thinking something like "Do the right thing" trashcan through windows... prolly at least one good fire.
BlueMeanie4: the whole thing is a massive media manipulation stunt, seems we get one every few months these days
BlueMeanie4: any Americans in the house?
BlueMeanie4: if they close KFC, yes
BingoBoingo: Anyone offering odds on whether New York gets riots tonight?
asciilifeform: (allowing also the possibility of copies residing in ru, cn vaults. but notice - their security, in that case, also - by inference - works.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so why is this piece supposed to bother you ?
asciilifeform: their security - worked.
asciilifeform: or which mathemagicians, from what nations, went desaparecido for refusing an offer you can't refuse
asciilifeform: or whether factoring is in p.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, i'd enjoy reading, e.g., what the aes weak key class is.
undata: If I have mastered 2+2=5, there are things completely out of my reach
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asciilifeform: when some bozo walks a genuine master key out of ft. meade (and not opsec garbage) - i'll believe the 'poor security.'
undata: asciilifeform: so someone can surely be beaten into this state; what I'm asking is whether they don't become useless as a tool in that state
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: it is beyond us to produce a dual system of astronomy? The stars can be near or distant, according as we need them. Do you suppose our mathematicians are unequal to that? Have you forgotten doublethink?' '
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 05:15:13; asciilifeform: 'Winston made another convulsive movement. This time he did not say anything. O'Brien continued as though answering a spoken objection: 'For certain purposes, of course, that is not true. When we navigate the ocean, or when we predict an eclipse, we often find it convenient to assume that the earth goes round the sun and that the stars are millions upon millions of kilometres away. But what of it? Do
mircea_popescu: undata there's a reason i dun want new york after all.
mircea_popescu: the only reason obama doesn't get a glass shard through the eye is that nobody gives a shit about him and his eye
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: (in actuality - jp theatrical convention, actor in black is shorthand for 'not seen by the others' on stage)
mircea_popescu: ever wondered how these dudes in their very distinctive gear manage to go in and out of the roman camp ?
mircea_popescu: i know this from experience, so does anyone else in any way involved with any aspect thereof.
mircea_popescu: "Then, God be bless'd, it is the blessed sun: but sun it is not, when you say it is not; and the moon changes even as your mind. What you will have it named, even that it is; and so it shall be so for Katharina."
asciilifeform: or 'all the security cams just happened to fail that day. act of god. whatcha looking at.'
mircea_popescu: undata> there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so << yes. this class of people is called "women".
mircea_popescu: <undata> what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane << of course. why not ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> because you 'clearly do not know how the world works' or the like. << a sword that cuts both ways.
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2014 08:57:03; mircea_popescu: decimation: sign, google or apple, pick your poison <<< yeah, isn't chrome basically one of those spammy "toolbars" they had for netscape that sort-of mutated into being its own browser ?
undata: these do not work
undata: "if works" << that's the whole point, isn't it?
asciilifeform: does 'the pear' have 'legitimate use' ? what kind of question even is that? matter of taste.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 16:46:43; mircea_popescu: logo could be one of those mechanical vaginal pears they had cca 1600
undata: what troubles me is whether that thing has a legitimate use, or whether there are particular humans that are irredeemably broken
undata: the religion rootkit, whatever you want to call that
undata: this, that there's a script which is expected to precede that which my own eyes tell me
asciilifeform: the hole was not a secret (not for long, anyway). but anyone of any note, who believed 'his lying eyes' and spoke out in public - is now written out of the script.
undata: there must just be a class of people who are wholly programmable, who will ignore reality completely if told to do so
undata: what I'm stuck on is this: you can have a hole in the pentagon smaller than the wingspan of a plane
adlai: ditto for studies on the objective and subjective effects of 'oiling' the thinking machine with various alkaloids, terpenoids, etc
asciilifeform: crank bait is normally factual material that blows 'official truth' out of the water, placed deliberately in the public domain.
asciilifeform: sorta like trying to get a sense of the lesser-known work of n. tesla.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'baghdad battery' is an example of a subject that is virtually impossible to research on the net - on account of it being a favourite of ten thousand kinds of prolix idiot, and consequently shunned by most thinking folks
undata: I'm still stuck on the CIA having given a bomb to a guy who boarded a plane
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf
mircea_popescu: oh check it out, the us warcrimes list includes wartime looting!
BingoBoingo: Who said anything about downloading... It's probably in one of the piles of processed tree corpses in the garage.
asciilifeform: a stooge can have no possible guarantee of not being thrown into the woodchipper at whatever convenient later time by his patron.
adlai: "The ‘batteries’ were among objects looted from the Iraqi National Museum in Baghdad during the invasion by the USA and its allies in 2003. It is not known where they are now or if they even still exist." http://www.badarchaeology.com/?page_id=208
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo remember that piracy is theft.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: informants << ever read 'mother night' (k. vonnegut) ?
undata: however they've done this, bravo...
mircea_popescu: just so, these dudes were going there because "el dorado", not because... whatever, empty space.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: notice date on article. the only interesting aspect, arguably, is how the whole thing vanished neatly into 'the memory hole' without a trace.
mircea_popescu: take woman with cock in her mouth. she's there because "the guy really respects her" right ? and "he has a great sense of humor" right ?
mircea_popescu: the ways common psychology works, the ways people motivate themselves to do things they'll do anyway...
BingoBoingo: Turns out underwear bomber was likely very cooperative because he thought the CIA would bring the FBI in on this whole informant thing.
mircea_popescu: it has everything to do with wanting to motivate euros to get the fuck there, much like the wild stories propping up the south sea bubble
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i'd posit it has nothing to do with gold, olr with "gems" which they claimed the streets are paved with (most of which - obsydian).
assbot: 'Underwear bomber' was working for the CIA | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FNVMNX )
BingoBoingo: More on how the US treats informants http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/may/09/underwear-bomber-working-for-cia
asciilifeform: the gilded [place]
asciilifeform: (how did conquistadors get the idea of massive inca gold? easy - shown outlandish heaps of 'gold' junk. which was in fact plated.)
mircea_popescu: im in the business of trying to form an idea of wtf happened.
asciilifeform: arguably this got them killed.
asciilifeform: incas, in particular, were rather handy with electroless plating.
asciilifeform: now, if you find an item that could only have been plated electrically - then.
adlai likes the speculation that artifacts throught to be gold are just electroplated
asciilifeform: last i recall, they assume 'electroless' plating and rest.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot of fucking debate as to whether 1000s of individual pieces are or are not electroplatred.
adlai: mircea_popescu: facts don't check out, but 'the story is true': "Chloroform was discovered by accident in 1831 when eccentric American chemist Dr Samuel Guthrie mixed hen house disinfectant with whisky." - http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/thematerialworld_20050728.shtml
BingoBoingo will wait a while before trying this translation challenge. Suspects the subtext is the girl is Andy after Tyrone's empire collapses.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather drink bleach.
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assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 22:56:56; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> greer's article is not entirely wrong that ancient egyptian tinsmith could have built it, if he knew how and had a reason. <<< electroplating was the reason, and the tech was in fact used in all likelihood in the golden crescent cca 1500bc.