undata: I watched a documentary recently on the prevalence of suicide in some dreary UK town. I'm not surprised.
pete_dushenski: "no game with the world balls shall be permitted"
undata: they'll ban sheep-fucking
pete_dushenski: "Kmart has become the second major retailer to pull controversial video game franchise Grand Theft Auto from its Australian stores... Target said on Wednesday it would stop selling the game in response to customer complaints sparked by an online petition posted by three women identifying themselves as victims of violence in the sex industry."
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate thebroker -1 aka digicoins.io. Inept and unreliable smalltimer.
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mircea_popescu: ;;rated thebroker
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/jenna-bush-admits-to-hanky-panky-on-the-white-house-r-1666727070 << Bush daughter
undata: same chick threatened me with airborne ebola once; I didn't bother to find out whether she was serious
BingoBoingo wonders about all of the angry postgrads with no money wishing they could afford Watson's LSD
undata: "The sale also became symbolic of a quest for redemption after he became what he called an “unperson” in the scientific community seven years ago; he had told the The Sunday Times of London Magazine in an interview that he was pessimistic about Africa because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours, whereas all the testing says not really.”
mircea_popescu: of course it was going to break the record. all "art" is going through roof.
mircea_popescu: ndata> it wouldn't mount /home for example << prolly home didn't have the right pid.
undata: and it kills the competition between for example various implementations of cron
BingoBoingo: I dunno why if init is the problem the solution also replaces console kit and everything else
undata: I tried systemd and bizarre breakage occurred which I couldn't be bothered to debug
undata: I like the idea of declarative config, knowing dependencies and whatnot; upstart doesn't seem too onerous to me
BingoBoingo: Yeah systemd eventually is supposed to eat the entire userland, so Pulse audio works better or something.
undata: among them cron?!
BingoBoingo: Well... on the outs...
undata: BingoBoingo: that he's proposing something in the realm of sane is not surprising given that he's on the way out of congress :p
undata: punkman: ours is way better than that rubbish they grow
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punkman: "In 50 years, US trust in government dropped from 77% (1964) to 24% (2014)" << is that because everyone was high back then?
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nubbins`: he could just rate assbot if that were the case.
nubbins`: no, that's the wrong graph
mats_cd03: just look at the graph
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nubbins`: am i not allowed to down him becaause assbot hasn't refreshed the trust list?
mats_cd03: move somewhere reasonable, then
nubbins`: what's the use!
bagels7: Feminism is the new fascism and it needs to be addressed before men are entirely pussified from birth
bagels7: i would just like to point out what a burden it would be to marry a crazy woman in today's politically correct world where the woman can do no wrong.
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thestringpuller: ;;google the dude abides
mircea_popescu: day slightly thus improved, we proceed to the waiting car!
mircea_popescu: arrange meeting for today at 3 with kinda shaky individual, have secretary confirm it today. wake up, check, confirmation comes in the form of "in the immortal words of dude, yes, 1500. he'll wait you."
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Blockchain.info becomes the second website (after Facebook) to have been issued an HTTPS certificate by DigiCert for their .onion address. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pXLZTI )
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2o5ghz/blockchaininfo_becomes_the_second_website_after/cmkutcr?context=3
fluffypony: Hearn tried to debate the point with me on Reddit
mircea_popescu: davout: cazalla: i don't even get why they feel the need to talk about bitcoin << virgins also feel a need to talk about the cock.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites <<< bwahaaha this IS a fucking point. and it goes on : microsoft leading the way for linux, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me <<< i don't recall an infosec expert of the webz that wasn't a sort of "assigned female at birth genderqueer individual".
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on? <<< mining moved away from the general public to "specialised experts". this always results in a drop of quality.
mircea_popescu: teach all the idiots how to read and write - get fifty billion pages about how important idiots are, aka the internet.
mircea_popescu: it never ends either. jesus.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soo, chick findsa out that her "father" is infertile, gets fixated on it, tries to replace him, imagines this sort of pathology ius somehow universal or important for people generally.
cazalla: davout, "Black Friday figures for MasterCard were not yet available, but the company reported in October that it had processed $2.4 trillion in payments in the first nine months of 2014"
cazalla: davout, no idea, perhaps to encourage gov to crack down on it, seems to be the case given their submission to aussie senate.. sorta like an ex gf that insists on fucking things up with your new gf
davout: cazalla: "prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left" <<< what for? push bitcoin?
cazalla: reminds me a bit of iraqi info minister, no bitcoin in the city at all!
cazalla: prolly an attempt to use what influence they have left
fluffypony: I can't believe in 2014 we have GoDaddy leading the way in managed DNSSEC and Facebook leading the way in correct Tor hosting for clearnet sites
fluffypony: facebook, of all things, actually spent the time and energy in getting right
fluffypony: rather than fucking around with SSL
fluffypony: the most annoying thing is that they should have expended effort in using eschalot to create a memorable address
fluffypony: that fuckwit infosec "expert" that's helping them irritates me
davout: fluffypony: nice comment on the "blockchain onion gets an ssl cert" derpage
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BingoBoingo: Maybe someone who bought S.MPOE round 2 shares finally decided to part with them?
BingoBoingo: Either that or Obama's secretly had an MPOE account
mats_cd03: i sold ma shares after it crashed and temporarily recovered to ~0.00075, then bought back at 0.0005 thinking it was the bottom ;_;
BingoBoingo: That's a good question, but given the options market is hibernating in wait of better price signals some large share dumping seemed inevitable... prolly...
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: Sure. Nice place to build another launch pad.
mats_cd03: 01:14:25 <+BingoBoingo> Such flat, BTC made it to the moon, but got stuck in the sea of tranquility << makes me happy, tbh
punkman: maybe less so with the right flag
BingoBoingo: Either in the sense of a literal ocean going craft or the metaphorical Ford Crown Victoria
BingoBoingo: What's wrong with the mud? Also maybe considering saving up for a boat.
punkman: might need on of those if going the land route
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punkman: payoff not that great if you win the solo mine lottery
BingoBoingo: I have to admit I've been eyeing the pretty Bitcrane machine as a spaceheater++
punkman: I liked the "personal lottery machine" angle
BingoBoingo: Also thinking maybe a ploy by manufacterers with farms to get consumers to buy this spendy time of the year at any cost?
BingoBoingo: So, what's the hypothesis. Hardware breaking and mining farms being more selective about the hardware they keep on?
mircea_popescu: (in china. which then we bitch at for polution)
asciilifeform: plus the kerosene.
decimation: the end-to-end principle would suggest a minimal amount of protocol overhead is needed - let the application layer figure things out
mircea_popescu: just the successive "encryption solutions" they implemented is enough for humour in hell.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why <<<
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Things exist this way because danielpbarron is right and there is a vengeful old testament god. Jesus and mercy were a lie!
decimation: asciilifeform: the wifi protocol is needless complex is why
asciilifeform: i don't even grasp why a wireless to ethernet bridge needs to be a computer, with stateful memory and an os
asciilifeform: but want gizmo that fucking works as printed on the box
asciilifeform: i don't even know what is more enraging - the sc4mz0r manufacturer, or all the shitmonkeys who claim to have 'fixed'
decimation: no asciilifeform, the real thing is you make a light that says 'pay money to dealer'
asciilifeform: 25 << have an urn full of these
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decimation: louis xvi was 'in power' in the same way I guess
mircea_popescu: nono, the press derp.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the examplke i was waiting for was the iranian, what's his name
decimation: my impression is that they constantly awoken so they can be 'in the loop' on whatever derpish retardation is going on in the world
asciilifeform: sleep is the measure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has apoint with the sleep.
mircea_popescu: there's one trend that unites all us presidents that i've ever seen. that trend is, that going in they look above average health for their age,
decimation: I guess it's power in the restricted sense that they are only allowed to act in one direction
mircea_popescu: who is the "people in power" in one of these systems ? who, in hollywood ? who, in washington ?
decimation: but each one has a tyrannical journey to the top
mircea_popescu: you're roughly speaking of the "bubbles in power" in a bottle of beer.
decimation: they are not coordinated like that
decimation: yeah, I agree that's the effect. furthermore, those in real power use the process as cover for their own agendas
mircea_popescu: no, my point is that it's easier to give the police guns and then bitch when they shoot the wrong people than you know, hold a gun and pick and choose. and similarly...
decimation: is your point that it is easy to hand out one mili-slice of power to each sg citizen and leave it to them to ruin the place than to actually run it?
xinxiwang: who knows. if it’s the trend, nobody can stop it.
decimation: the chinese have lived under strong men, emperors and bureaucrats for thousands of years. it would be better to go with a winning formula
decimation: malaysia is kinda like their ozarks I guess
decimation: people in the us have democracy, it's not great. the people should be happy with the lee family
decimation: surely the 'mandate of heaven' still smiles upon singapore?
xinxiwang: many don’t like. but since the family is doing quite well. people still accep that.
decimation: xinxiwang: do people in sg generally like the way the lee family have been running things?
BingoBoingo: Guurkahs are pretty much the default neutral people, because... Nepal is poor and isolated.
xinxiwang: they are still commanded by local people
decimation: well, certainly turkic highland folk from the west are not to be trusted...
xinxiwang: given that the majority are chinese people. I don’t think people from other races can be neutral here.
decimation: http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/303042 << "It has been said that during the Falklands War, 400 miles east of Terra Del Fuego, or Cape Horn, South America in the Atlantic, after the Gurkhas landed, it was sufficient for the RAF to drop leaflets over enemy Argentine positions, merely saying that the Gurkhas have landed and are sharpening their Kukris, for the conscript Argentine army to flee for their lives."
decimation: aren't chinese a big part of the sg population now?
xinxiwang: they should bring people from china to do that.
decimation: because both sides thought that the gurkhas were 1.) hardcore and 2.) neutral
decimation: I guess I take it by your questions that the answer is 'no'
xinxiwang: Nepalese? SG is in southeast asia.
decimation: the Nepalese police?
decimation: well, on the street?
BingoBoingo: Would be much better if included random kako jokes. kako jokes are the best
mircea_popescu: are the pms annoying ?
decimation: of course there is a small cottage industry selling reversed parts
joecool: hey mp, can you make assbot only use notices instead of msg? I know the ddos is a pain in the ass but if someone is unlikely to respond to notice, they are unlikely to respond to privmsg as well
mircea_popescu: basically, they made a ruling for a purpose. then industry lobbied on the basis of cost.
decimation: that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section."
decimation: here's the exact usg 'regulation' http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/FCC/Part-15/fcc-part-15-radio-frequency-devices-15p203.htm << "An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there was, iirc, a record of this very procedure being performed on a woman in (?) mexico
mircea_popescu: for instance : through a surgical intervention mandatory in schools for girls aged 12, they could reverse the asshole and vulvar opening.
decimation: there are many such capitulations to reality involved with usg 'regulation'
decimation: asciilifeform: they throw in trash and burn more money
mircea_popescu: this is like the dumbest thing i ever heard lol.
decimation: asciilifeform: was there actually a serial console present or was it a bootloader?
asciilifeform: i mean, back to the story, all i had to do is reach across desk and grab a ttl serial octopus. but what are folks supposed to do who don't have one?
decimation: the FCC demands that you reverse thread the connector so you couldn't plug your 1 watt router into a 30 dB amplifier
decimation: http://www.rfcoaxconnectors.com/Technical_wifi-interface.htm << "In addition to specialized interfaces which are relatively new to the coaxial market, such as DMX, MC Card, MHF, there are variations on standard RF connectors styles which satisfy FCC Part 15 and 802.11 requirements. The most popular method used to achieve compliance has been to create reverse polarity, or gender, versions of BNC, MCX, MMCX, N, SMA, SMB, SSMB and TNC
decimation: everyone can tell themselves that they couldn't possibly buy a reverse-thread sma connector
decimation: yes, but the fig leaf that covers this is that they are typically 'reverse threaded' from the standard socket
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket << What, like my laptop wifi card has??
asciilifeform: decimation: most of the consumer trashware have external antennae sockets, wtf
decimation: asciilifeform: the FCC cracks down on routers with an easily accessible antenna socket
BingoBoingo imagines if asciilifeform became diabetic he'd keep his own pig for the insulin.
decimation: yeah there's no way it could pass class B without a shield or metal case
asciilifeform beginning to think that networking hardware that behaves sanely out of the box was banned, and no one told him
asciilifeform: one of these days i buy something that doesn't have to be vivisected to make it go.
BingoBoingo: Isn't off topic what's been sustaining it these last few years, and even off topic still makes a case for loper
mircea_popescu: off-topic is an idiocy anyway. you're writing it, you're the topic, how the fuck could it be "off-topic"
mircea_popescu: i'd rather read it on your platform than on some bezzlatron platform. is that so bad ?
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't work, all the redder.
mircea_popescu: gernika not just, but sure. also, i don't care about form. if meditation works all the better.
mircea_popescu: http://sov.ro/ << romanian pseudo-tycoon (the sort of derps that live off govt spending in cvasi-socialist states), meanwhile convicted and eventually released from jail, started his own blog.
asciilifeform: (as they say in britain) 'a whole policeman!'
mircea_popescu: what can be said of the average policeman ?
asciilifeform: sed income, but that is the price of freedom.'
asciilifeform: 'What this means in practice, for me at least, is that as soon as it starts looking like I am heading in the direction of acquiring a specific job title or job description, or getting involved in something that might require registration, certification or licensing, then I need to backtrack or head in a different direction for a bit, until everybody loses interest. In doing so I sometimes forgo some opportunities for an increa
asciilifeform struggles to make sense of the thing
mircea_popescu: i guess we progressed past the classical philosophy of either rome or the east. a well.
mircea_popescu: "I seem to be doing a lot of hyperproductive things lately: explaining to people how to kill the foul beast of Empire, revolutionizing the way English literacy is taught to both native English speakers and the rest"
asciilifeform: one untrained, equally irrespective of measured iq, is quite unpalatable << perhaps here speaking of taming, rather than training ?
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: da fuck you care whether she can do heisenberg matrix calc in her head or not, really.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, experience shows pairs work better, because errors average out rather than compound.
mircea_popescu: one can train to build muscle by himself. one can also train to comprehend the torah by oneself.
asciilifeform: teach self to control emotion. and to grasp, e.g., group theor
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do you think intelligence is other than the ~knowledge~ of what is noise in the psychocrosstalk ?
mircea_popescu: what else ? first you gotta teach her to rule over her emotions, then gotta teach her the modes of logical failure of teh brain, on it goes.
mircea_popescu: the difference is that the first's entirely negative (don't do this. don't do that. don't do the other. do something) while the latter's entirely positive. (do like this and like this and so on)
mircea_popescu: they may look similar, sure.
mircea_popescu: they are not.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why people readily imagine training a woman to think with whip in hand and training a woman to dance whip in hand are the same thing.
mircea_popescu: the important parts aren't visible.
mircea_popescu: same thing, for the exact reason you don't see much reading on tv.
mircea_popescu: to the ignorant, there's little difference between circus seal being trained and you sitting in room flipping page after page.
asciilifeform: and there's exactly one way to train it
mircea_popescu: much of what YOU know is learned like what a dog learns. specifically, where the fuck the control key is and how to make pretty letters on the screen.
mircea_popescu: because well, they don't get wtf french is.
mircea_popescu: dressage has the unfortunate implication of dress-up in english
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, we always had separate words for these.
decimation: asciilifeform: what I find amusing is the common practice is us business to use the word 'training' when they mean 'education'
asciilifeform: in the latter, a тренер is the fellow who helps an athlete get.. more athletic. in english world, 'training' is done to dogs and cubicle dwellers
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter) << Not every circus need be honest.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the word 'trained' - i found - means something quite else to english speakers than for folks from the sov blok
mircea_popescu: no, but every man can either become a circus lifter or die trying.
asciilifeform: if trained as in what a strong man in a circus does to get strong - then, yes, trained (but note, not every man can become a circus lifter)
asciilifeform: if 'trained' is what one can do with a parrot - then, no, intelligence is something quite else
mircea_popescu: well so if all your intelligence is in fact trained, then what are ye bitching about.
asciilifeform: and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it << ding ding ding - winner
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy when you visit a blog with one of those blinky geomaps, and the only blinky spot is in argentina.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how many women do you know that could do this ? and, importantly, out of these how many are not actually in special-school-for-it ?
BingoBoingo: Starting from a drawing of an catecholamine, draw a prototype for a drug that could antigonize the receptor for some sort of catecholamine neurotransmitter.
asciilifeform: considering the fact that no such item has been built, or, afaik, discussed, other than here by yours truly.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it. << bulb battery wire?
assbot: How dare the Eric Garner protestors dare try to disrupt a sacred ritual commemorating the birth a man who was murdered by the state.
asciilifeform: the easiest way to distinguish 'intelligent' and 'well-trained' is to invent something (sufficiently synthetic - as in, requiring grasp of multiple disparate and reasonably deep scientific fields) to apprehend, and then see how much explanation creature requires to grasp it.
mircea_popescu: most of the things one identifies as intelligence in the field is actually artfulness.
mircea_popescu: in the world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the right kind of circus - absolutely
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "through the carrot", for elegance of form :D
decimation: mircea_popescu: perhaps not, but one can still measure them, and find that measures correlate