mircea_popescu: 's instead consider the underclass teenaged female.
mircea_popescu: by this token a discussion of primitive village demographics will center on the visible males
asciilifeform: zoological discussion tends to be about the organisms that 'make the weather' - most numerous or at least, most detectable
mircea_popescu: reflect that it's too bad we gave anyone over 40 the vote" <<< for what it's worth, this is a woesome misrepresentation of the male. it's the beta male fighing for cotnrol, about as relevant in the discussion as the fat female fighting for reproductive equality.
asciilifeform: favourite of downed pilots around the world.
ben_vulpes: re bug parts and rice have y'all heard about the cockroach protein farms in china?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://yarchive.net/med/social_osteoporosis.html << related hypothesis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ also see first note there, oddly on point.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hashfast-or-why-the-fiat-legal-system-doesnt-actually-exist-and-doesnt-actually-matter/
mircea_popescu: all people in prison - prisoners. whether "guilty" or "innocent". all those in the insane asylum - insane.
mircea_popescu: so. obviously for the needs of your own bed you may employ whatever perverse criteria.
asciilifeform: possibly it is 100%. given the correct reprocessor.
asciilifeform: the upper limit - shall be found experimentally. this - we know.
mircea_popescu: the fda says so!
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : bug parts are functionally identical to rice,
mircea_popescu: if i'm sending it to the mcdonalds factory it might be.
asciilifeform: ulterior << not even buying the 'they work precisely alike if you don't attempt to fuck'em' hypothesis
mircea_popescu: plurisemy and syntactico-lexical ambiguity are the actual reasons language is an adequate medium of thought,
mircea_popescu: but in this line of thinking you're baking in ulterior considerations into an anterior branch of the thought tree.
mircea_popescu: functionally the same.
asciilifeform: for the same reason that a man who has freshly lost his head in the guillotine is not 'the headless horseman'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, we're surrounded by women.
asciilifeform: the lie was obvious to an alert first-grader.
mircea_popescu: specifically, this gives the lie, exemplarily, to "oh, bip32 poses no threat to your security"
mircea_popescu: "Note that the addresses that appear only in the second list still may be in danger, e.g., if they stem from a BIP32 wallet and one knows the "xpub" public key."
mircea_popescu: "There seems to be a new buggy program that reuses the same R value for all signatures in a transaction. It started around September 2014"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, the derps derped about their webwallets on blockchain.info being safe. In the end it was blockchain.info that fucked them.
asciilifeform: anyone who wonders why this was never done... answer - uses mathematics that did not exist when the net was built (reed-solomon existed, yes! but quite inefficient)
asciilifeform: my scheme, given hardware acceleration for the signer & erasure decoder, is as low latency as it gets
asciilifeform: parameters of raptorcode can be tweaked depending on noise floor values (e.g. shortwave in the apocalyptic wasteland requires more 'leg room' than comfortable modern net under ideal peacetime conditions)
asciilifeform: thus every packet identifies what pubkey (i.e. who signed) and what particular fountain it belongs to (what's a fountain? see definition of 'raptor' and other 'fountain' erasure codes)
asciilifeform: i'll spill the beans, if somebody wants to reimplement. basic unit of transmission is 'raptor code' over udp. hence - connectionless.
asciilifeform: used by potentially anyone, but 'deadheads' (non-wot folks) will ride in the back of the bus at all times.
mircea_popescu: currently the way it works is however many people can route you in or out. and that's that.
mircea_popescu: jurov yes but more layers to the group.
mircea_popescu: answer the q lol.
jurov: "will simply prioritize, say, udp packets signed with particular keys" sounds to me exactly like "either you're in or out of the group"
asciilifeform: used by the users.
asciilifeform: what i want can be approximately described as 'internet that does not operate on the rivers of meat principle'
asciilifeform: (and - optionally - drop others, if congestion sensors are tripped)
mircea_popescu: i recall that "badon effect" dude reducing his "2004" to "2012" on the first cursory examination.
mircea_popescu: dude how is it that all these dudes with wild historicity claims fail to back them up ?
asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps i ought to have explained. not wot in the sense of numerics
asciilifeform: where every packet knows who paid for it << those who imagine a wot-routing based net as a rent-seekers' paradise are mistaken. it is today's net that is a rent-seeker's paradise, where folks who cannot abide ddos must buy bandwidth in vast excess of their normal needs
jurov: asciilifeform: on one side we explain to everyone how wot ratings are to be manually examined and not rating or similar number used... on other side you consider rating suitable for routing priority?
asciilifeform: '1. ditch PGP, it's a millstone.' << leper is ringing his bell. thank him and cross the street to avoid contagion
asciilifeform: jurov: you were probably thinking of the ancient classic: http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt
fluffypony: well I guess he struggles with the interwebs
assbot: This is the largest investment in a BTC company to date. http://t.co/MZl7B4Nj9F /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets /Mircea_Popescu /hashtag/MPEx?src=hash
asciilifeform: (or, question of how to prevent owners of large, expensive pipes - e.g., transatlantic - from charging for seats in wot? you don't, if you want them built & maintained, and this is approximately what they have now)
asciilifeform: wot at the packet route level.
mircea_popescu: how do you prevent your system from going there ?
asciilifeform: that just ensures hegemony of the richest spammer
asciilifeform: jurov: not the idiot 'stop spam via taxation' scheme that everyone is familiar with, no
asciilifeform: as it is, ddos mitigation does at least as much damage as the disease itself
asciilifeform: ddos << there will come the day when folks will remember the 'route to anybody who asks first-come-first-serve' internet - with disgust.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i was going to link to you and figured graphs are cool, but will just link the root and well...
jurov: on the second visit, browser has cached stuff and doesn;t do so many requests
mircea_popescu: it always hits me on the first visit tho.
mircea_popescu: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=just%20because%20from:mircea_popescu << i think i found a great way to traverse the logs
assbot: Exclusive Matt DeHart coverage: Paul DeHart and Tor Ekeland Interviewed | The Cryptosphere ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7ghas )
BingoBoingo: http://thecryptosphere.com/2014/10/10/exclusive-matt-dehart-coverage-paul-dehart-and-tor-ekelund-interviewed/
scoopbot: New post on Bingo Blog by BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/12/08/bowl-season/
mircea_popescu: haha. is there coinbread yet ?
Namworld: The heck is clams?
TomServo: at least they're upfront about wanting to redistribute 'satoshi's horde'
BingoBoingo: The big flaw with it is that dooglus came with too much quantity of name for this. People are going to be all "let's make clams have value" and dooglus goes back to what he tried to avoid.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin brings the worst autist specimens up for air.
TomServo: these clams are some pretty good lulz though
gribble: You rated user dooglus on Wed Jul 2 22:02:07 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Truly a pillar of the community..
BingoBoingo: Oh, I'm thinking make the attourneys or whoever sink fucktons of time into figuring out just what clams are.
fluffypony: tell the regulators that the USG owns CLAMs by virtue of them having a bunch of BTC in May?
BingoBoingo: Maybe that's the point of the clams thing, being a kind of retarded mess that's going to be a huge pain for rgulators.
mircea_popescu: i like this guy, but he has the communication abilities of an engineer, and as a result ends up with the local minimums ffs.
mircea_popescu: dooglus duide seriously that was the stupidest move ever. you could have just sold the damned site.
fluffypony: so in a court of law I'm certain the argument could be made that it has equivalency, and merely giving it a new name doesn't make it any different to Bitcoin
fluffypony: CLAMs are "special" because if you owned Bitcoin or Dogecoin or Litecoin at some magical date when it launched or whatever, then you can "redeem" CLAMs
mircea_popescu: seems to me better to defend the defensible position rather than try and defend an undefensible positon that's nevertheless slightly more inland. but wtf do i know about strategy.
assbot: The reasons why Bitcoin securities can't be regulated by the SEC pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1G7bshw )
mircea_popescu: fluffypony something like http://trilema.com/2012/the-reasons-why-bitcoin-securities-cant-be-regulated-by-the-sec/ 2012 is too far in the past so we don't remember it, therefore must make bitcoin clone to say it's a gaming currence ?
BingoBoingo: What's their shtick?
fluffypony: I'm still trying to figure out the raison d'être for CLAMs
fluffypony: have we spoken about the new Just Dice yet?
mircea_popescu: so the "legal process" in california is so very effectual, guy walks o jesus. ok, ima write this up.
mircea_popescu: so the tardstalk schmucks were going around acting as if this utter bum is somehow a businessman.
mircea_popescu: from Mr. Barber, even if a judgment was already in hand today. This factor weighed heavily in the Debtors and Committees decision-making."
mircea_popescu: "Mr. Barber does not have the ability to fund a defense of any cause of action and would likely be forced into a chapter 7 if forced to defend against claims brought by the estate. The financial statement suggests that such a chapter 7 filing would be determined to be a no asset case. Accordingly, the Debtors and the Committee believe that absent a settlement, it would be very difficult to collect anything at all
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell zaht http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-12-2014#948202 there you go, close enough.
mircea_popescu: "They believe the extreme difficulty of collection that the Debtors and/or the Committee will face in the event a judgment is entered against Mr. Barber warrants an approval of the Mutual Release, subject to the right of the Debtors and the Committee to pursue claims against Mr. Barber to the extent there is insurance coverage available to pay such claims."
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron these numbers are i suspect based in biology. they're not about to change.
BingoBoingo: Sure. They figured if pets.com could get dollars dumped on them, any idea could get them paid. On the other hand Bitcoin even in the earliest days supposed people STFU and get in line.
mircea_popescu: the pets.com thing, incidentally, was exactly opposite to bitcoin : wildly popular with the something awful centered libtard crowd.
mircea_popescu: there we go.
BingoBoingo: Amazing how the forum dreams have shrank from million BTC datacenters to, pls halp my store.
mircea_popescu: Oct 13 04:07:13 *jdany has quit () heh i knew i saw the name.
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing "faces of Wasted Money" http://dondodge.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/21/005.jpg check out the graduating class of awkward 2010.
adlai: and is there an api to this thing?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The pets.com mascot
jurov: <adlai> [20141208 01:41] jurov: what happens when a coinbr account has assets but no btc when you need to charge the management fee? << for now unpaid fees just keep piling up as negative balance
mircea_popescu: it was just a petfood seller with the odd idea of actually buying warehouses.
mircea_popescu: ie, "we're fleecing the living dailights out of you for no reason, but if you assemble in large groups we'll fleece a little less ?"
mircea_popescu: anyway, wasn't pets.com basically groupon arbitrarily limited for the pets scam only ?
BingoBoingo: Sure and pets.com was an idea, that could have totally worked if the thing actually was budgeted to live off of retailer profit margins instead of a VC funded money fire
mircea_popescu: fuck the arabs and so on. what, 1600s existed now ?!
mircea_popescu: i'm sure all the various 19yos that had THE IDEA of you know, a bunch of naked women in your house, are spiritual forefathers to the harem.
BingoBoingo: "Even the Pets.com idea is looking mighty good. The basic notion that people wanted to buy pet food online and have it delivered to their homes turns out to be a sound one."
BingoBoingo: "Were still waiting for Kozmo 2.0. But theres also good reason to applaud the folks behind Flooz.com. They wanted to create their own internet-based currency, and though Flooz was a flop, bitcoin has now shown that digital currency can play huge role in the modern world."
mircea_popescu: that the bubble popped ?
mircea_popescu: let me guess, it was only because of evil republicans pushing their obsolete, meanwhile technologically-revolutionized ideas about scarcity
assbot: Turns Out the Dot-Com Bust's Worst Flops Were Actually Fantastic Ideas | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1zikOou )
cazalla: at least from what i can tell, BingoBoingo maybe you are inclined to look it over a bit more, i'll take another look in the morning , zzz now
cazalla: boards and shit, which the venezuelan congressman bought
adlai is glad to have abandoned bc.i before the shenanigans beganigans
punkman: "That's why I love this page http://blockchain-status.com/javascript_verifier that blockchain has. Really makes it easy to make sure what's on their github is what they are giving to users."
cazalla: i'm sure they'll kiss and make up
cazalla: bit of a disagreement on trilema.com in the comments too mats
mats: i wonder what the odds are tat went and got a day job
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i suppose not everyone's fortunate enough to be on the receivingend of reader's digest prizes and stuff. which is why they keep doing this firstbiggestbest thing.
fluffypony: yes but this one is the "official worldwide" lottery
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Actually doesn't look that different compared to some of the 2012 era BTC sites
BingoBoingo: See this Salon ignoring Orlov thing is like the rest of the "Bitcoin Press" lapping up Bitpay spending out the ass to sponsor a bowl game while ignoring... That there's actually a game that's now going to be played with teams and stuff.
mircea_popescu: that they don't even mention orlov in there is insulting to the russian foreign service lol.
mircea_popescu: moar plowing flies, didntcha know, some anon derp working for some anon flavour of teh us propaganda has been really pulling the yoke!
mircea_popescu: anyway, salon and the derpage is entirely irrelevant to why and wherefore "we knew all along" and saw through the nuland bullshit from day one.
BingoBoingo waits for them to say haxxed
mircea_popescu: you wanna trade, move to fucking ny. you don't wanna move to ny, stfu and snort coke or w/e they do in la.
mircea_popescu: punkman well yes, "fairness" as misunderstood by the butthurt parade is going against a hard limit of the universe.
assbot: New York Times propagandists exposed: Finally, the truth about Ukraine and Putin emerges - Salon.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1sb7MD8 )
BingoBoingo: http://www.salon.com/2014/12/04/new_york_times_propagandists_exposed_finally_the_truth_about_ukraine_and_putin_emerges/ << lulzy
cazalla: on it's own it's a terrible metric but i keep an eye on it just to see if people are picking up the stories qntra runs
ben_vulpes: mats: today i discovered that docker images have a 10GB limit unless you specify otherwise with dm.whatever options on the command line for the docker daemon
BingoBoingo: ascii_in_bed: Done as in nearly abated, of done as in the virus successfully poetteringized the meat.
mircea_popescu: the 20yo makemoneyasleep zombie crowd was funny in 2009, will stay funny in 2019
mircea_popescu: "Sunt fondatorul uneia din cele mai mari retele de bloguri de nisa din Romania (Stepout Media), cu siteuri precum: www.construimimperii.ro," i am the founder of one of the biggest niche networks in romania, with sites such as webuildempires
ascii_in_bed: rather - switched off, toy computer
mircea_popescu: ascii_in_bed so whatcha got over there ? ebola ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller hm ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu> except for me. i'm watching zoey monroe being fake-gangraped and am all zen about all things <<< ya like the blondes eh
mircea_popescu: article goes on to say that name wasn't released, but that the pracitce of buying information about various legal misdeeds of other people is by now a common practice in romania, for they convicted who are also rich. like a trying to get out of jail thing.
mircea_popescu: "timisoara businessman accused of romania's outgoing president's brother [who is being sent to jail for a pile of various fraud, corruption and graft charges]"
assbot: No matter how badly your season ended, you are nowhere near the level of embarrassment of NC State and UCF fans. /hashtag/BitcoinBowl?src=hash
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something <<< sooo... set em right ?
mircea_popescu: can prolly set to you know, save draft only. then editor can publish.
mircea_popescu: adlai the exchange-reported tx for that day are small, and the books didn't even hold enough.
mircea_popescu: hanbot kinda how it works these days huh.
mircea_popescu: [Namworld] i guess if they're only interested to see where the ads lead, they wouldn't follow the redirect. trivial curl thing.
BingoBoingo: It's the Bitcoin bowl. There was an obligation to bring attention to how completely mediocre the competitors are.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's a game. The story is in the teams not the sponsors. No one remembers the sponsors of the bowl games.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-st-petersburg-bowl-preview/ << Preview of the "Bitcoin Bowl"
nanotube: looks like someone is trying to eat up some cpu by hammering the web server
ben_vulpes: http://cube-drone.com/2013_06_05-Cube_Drone_37_The_Often_Inscrutable_Motivation_Of_Programmers.html
mike_c: also, now that I have access, you just gave me access without checking if i'm authenticated :) and I'm actually the reddit police! (j/k)
mike_c: hehe, i was thinking more about getting ready for the not-slow periods :) but this is fine with me.
mike_c: that's fine with me, but you might want to think about how to get yourself more out of the workflow. makes scaling and doing this long-term easier.
cazalla: i do that via ftp, wordpress won't let me upload images, i think one of the dir permissions are off or something
mike_c: and upload images to put in the draft?
cazalla: mike_c, technically you already have an account, i create them for authors and use for publishing their articles, i can change so that you can log in and post a draft
mike_c: and I can write it myself. and then you review and publish.
mike_c: images. but embedded in the right spot. and ideally presenting you with the least amount of work necessary.
cazalla: mike_c, can you use images for the graphs or is it code
adlai: stats, whether an official press release or some guess based on data, are needed for bet resolution
cazalla: adlai, the stats are not really point of article, more so to point out stupidity of this bitcoin black friday scheme
ben_vulpes: exercise for the mike_c :P
ben_vulpes: i like the bot dependency graph
mike_c: this is the problem with relying on robots to serve our needs.
adlai: or just sum all the transactions during that day to get an upper bound, and assume that bitpay account for X%
adlai: crowdsource stats, collect a bounty to distribute among all entities providing valid signatures for transactions during black friday. pay the consumers for their data!
cazalla: if anyone remembers .au police taking a bitcoin atm.. cops have revealed the inventory from the bust, no info on actual bitcoin amount so nothing newsworth but this paragraph is lulzy "The cash haul was more than $313,000, with property seized including vehicles, mobile phones, computers and a rare Bitcoin ATM."
[Namworld]: Since ads are not direct link but a FB link that tracks and redirect, I guess bots just click and never request the page they're asked to redirect to.
[Namworld]: Aye, should have at least 500 clicks once it's done. At least FB side. Apparently most don't even get to have a request sent to the actual website.
mircea_popescu: (i just grep for the get request it used see)
mircea_popescu: [Namworld] pretty much all. but it'd show in the log for merely asking for the page, anyway
[Namworld]: Because the photos on those suspicious accounts have pictures of same person posted over and over. Yet they don't act like humans. Especially when you start tracking them once on your website.
[Namworld]: Hmm, I guess there's other smaller social networks, especially in non-english countries. I guess facebook botnets could crawl and use info from profiles elsewhere.
adlai: they use it to suggest tags
[Namworld]: They do?
[Namworld]: Either way there seems to be rampant networks of click-happy bots ramping up costs. At least on low bids/global audience.
adlai: facebook would probably catch onto copied accounts quite fast, they run facial recognition on every photo
[Namworld]: Yet when it's clicks for fanpage, they result in a fan, and randomly selecting fans gives you a realistic profile.
mircea_popescu: not like there's any rush.
[Namworld]: I'll try raising the bid a bit I guess.
[Namworld]: I read something about some FB users just liking tons of stuff like they collect likes and using FB in odd ways.
[Namworld]: For some reason, they just like tons of random pages. If I had to guess, hacked accounts/people not bothering to remove liked pages.
[Namworld]: If facebook likes are from bot... the bot accounts are pretty impressively well made. Photos of same person over years, often multiple years of Facebook usage, conversations that somewhat make sense when translated, although not sure if it's issues of translation or just gibberish. Just doesn't look like gibberish.
adlai: jurov: what happens when a coinbr account has assets but no btc when you need to charge the management fee?
adlai: or rather, LATD
adlai: looks like somebody needs to upgrade their log parser to LALR
xanthyos: no wonder the price hasn't moved much since
xanthyos: still there
cazalla: how's the dick xanthyos ?
adlai: you heard it here first: the next reward halving is an appropriate occasion for a 420 celebration
adlai: it's kinda the opposite of obama's
jurov: i once read somewhere abou soviet culturai influence on east germany and they wrote "even some people had slavic facial features"
jurov: i mean invading the whorehouse
mircea_popescu: tell you what, the us can't make a missile shield, and europe doesn't need any shield atop its cuntshield.
mircea_popescu: (and fwiw, the notion that a young woman won't readily bare herself on request strikes me more like a quaint anachronism of the islamic world & western colonies than anything. of course she would.)
mircea_popescu: europe is going to be pretty much naked in public as the norm in a decade or two.
jurov: actually i don't need imgur for it. around here the flats are so densely packed that there's hot inside (at least since they're wrapped in eurofoam) and most people run around naked
assbot: So, I was in the bath when the doorbell rang... "P.S. I like your lawn flamingo." - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1A6KL8t )
jurov: you've seen their butts?
jurov: i don't see how being a famous << i stopped reading there, that may be what he's for anyway
zaht: its nothing more than a counterpoint to the idea that his comeuppance is due
mircea_popescu: what exactly makes you think you're in a position to have an opinion, either about that general point or about the particular we were discussing ?
zaht: my point is that until the liabilities are in fact reconciled, he is getting away with it, he just might be able to for the rest of his life
zaht: well the loot is all that matters
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mircea_popescu: no, it just doesn't meet the "entirely vc-fraud and shitvapour" profile of f.derp
thestringpuller: and if the sopranos was a comedy
thestringpuller: cazalla: yea lilyhammer is almost like norway's take on the sorpranos.
adlai: whether the helix is "cauterized" at one end by linking the two strands is irrelevant for this specific point
assbot: Archaeologists find vast medieval palace buried under prehistoric fortress at Old Sarum - Archaeology - Science - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1A6H0A6 )
thestringpuller: i just like to make sure there is non-repudiation for my submissions, ie.e the editors know it came from me
cazalla: it wouldn't hurt, thestringpuller has a habit of clearsigning his submissions
assbot: The complexity of life, a triad pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1A6EV79 )
adlai: http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/ < re ptIII, two is STILL an understatement -> http://rosalind.info/problems/orf/#transcription-may-begin-anywhere (click to expand)
thestringpuller: is this where you wikileaks them Pierre_Rochard ?
mircea_popescu: i tihnk it was 4. "land of the lounge lizards" or something like that.
mircea_popescu: the original i think yeah
thestringpuller: oh wow! Dungeon Keeper ran off the Magic Carpet engine?
mircea_popescu: but i didn't realise at the time it's what it was, i thought it genuinely actually used it to keep you out if underage
fluffypony: and then Space Quest 3 or 4, the one where he travels through time, you needed the game manual to complete parts of the game
fluffypony: Leisure Suit Larry required you to put in a word from the manual at a particular point
mircea_popescu: i remember hearing about such a thing in the mid 90s, and being both incredulous