asciilifeform: even then
asciilifeform: other than for exotic circuits that reprogram selves, etc
asciilifeform: if you had cheap chip fab, there would not even be much reason to build fpga !
asciilifeform: as in, usg can and will perish, but the widgets spoken of here will not magically appear.
decimation: as long as usg sits on the stool it will remain that way
asciilifeform: the same folks happily running winblows and ms-office ?
decimation: the only credible buyers I can imagine are non-us defense
asciilifeform: there will -never- be spare capacity for a counter-economic project.
decimation: unfortunately there is not much 'spare' capacity
decimation: that's something the russian billionare could help with
asciilifeform: almost as much as the first (and last, and only) xilinx part that had open docs from the vendor
asciilifeform: i did tell the tale, of how on one occasion someone succeeded in mostly reversing a particular chip
decimation: they would probably just discontinue that line
decimation: maybe some snowden working for xilinix will release the dox one day
decimation: yeah whenever I hear "ip cores" I immediately think of all the legal bullshit that they are pimping to support their 'business'
asciilifeform: otherwise it would be a simple matter to learn how the mystery meat module works and remplement.
asciilifeform: and their ability to carry out this 'air merchant' trick is entirely tied to a maximally-closed chip architecture.
decimation: apparently the the prices they charge for these "ip cores" are highly negotiable depending on your account with them
asciilifeform: (where!? see, e.g, the 'rio pmp' early mp3 player.)
decimation: yeah I've heard it referred to as the "ip cores" market
asciilifeform: they virtually never end up in consumer products except as a result of extreme haste (rushing a prototype to market)
asciilifeform: this is because it is quite impossible, as i understand, to really make serious money selling the chips
asciilifeform: decimation: notice that all known fpga manufacturers (xilinx, altera, lattice, a few others) have the same business model
decimation: yeah and copyright in the case of ms
asciilifeform: decimation: the midgets were exterminated, possibly before birth, by patents
decimation: is this dominance of xilinix, ms, etc really a case of the 'giant' sitting on the stool?
asciilifeform: for prototyping (the only thing they are presently used for) they are happy to buy the american chips and use their closed turdchains.
asciilifeform: decimation: after it, there could be no mistake as to the nature and motivations of the author.
asciilifeform: decimation: that line was a 'the mask fell off' moment in that article.
asciilifeform: as i may have once explained, the chicoms have not done this and should not be expected to ever do it, because fpga is profoundly useless in a mass consumer product.
asciilifeform favours the 'year zero' approach, but this is not news
asciilifeform: it was called the ussr.
asciilifeform: and daring anyone to try to stop them
asciilifeform: incidentally, there once lived upon the good earth a group of people who carried on development of entirely open computer hardware, prying open closed turds whenever they felt necessary without even breaking a sweat
asciilifeform: the most enraging thing is the idiots who think there has been -any- progress made on this front.
decimation: what about the keyboard uC firmware?
decimation: one wonders about the touchscreen drivers too
asciilifeform: where is the open fpga?
decimation: PCI is neither reasonable nor open
decimation: and they are still 'fundraising' as far as I can tell
decimation: it appears to me they have been 'prototyping' for about a year
decimation: well, I would give novena a hell of alot more credit if they actually shipped
decimation: I just want the spec and docs (with talmud of errata)
decimation: yes, I know about the 'novena'
asciilifeform: and then you go and buy 25 different gizmos to see if even one does not meet this pattern
decimation: they probably hired some taiwanese code monkeys to write drivers with the nda'ed full docs
asciilifeform: it will either refuse to run at all, or worse - run intermittently because there nominally exist open drivers for the necessary peripherals, but the manufacturer did not used them
decimation: asciilifeform: only google knows the right bits to flip I guess
asciilifeform: if you try to construct own linux (or bsd, whichever) on the machine - nothing but torment
asciilifeform: the chromebook thing is just like the situation i spoke of last week: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-12-2014#944963
decimation: but in the case it wouldn't openbsd anymore
asciilifeform: somehow the loadability seems to be psychologically necessary for blob acceptance.
asciilifeform: not that someone could not, hypothetically, link a blob into an openbsd kernel and try to persuade folks to use it. but the result would probably be: laughter.
asciilifeform: the only way to prevent this kind of situation - a pure scorched earth approach
asciilifeform: i can easily understand now why theo de raadt zapped support for loadable kernel modules in openbsd
asciilifeform full of wrath re: google profiting off all of the work that folks put into linux, to create the abortion spoken of earlier; a deliberate hardware troll.
undata: yet there are no bad blocks to be found
asciilifeform: but this tale was not about a 'proper' laptop, but attempt to glue together a portable-with-keyboard that isn't x86 and therefore can actually achieve some serious runtime on battery
asciilifeform: the non-thinkpad brands are even deader.
undata: the thinkpad brand is dead
undata: asciilifeform: tried doing a localyesconfig on the Chrome OS?
asciilifeform: but go and try to set up a normal gentoo, in such a way that all of the necessary peripherals (gpu, power controller) actually work.
mats: asciilifeform: seen the latest on 'Ubuntu Core'? piles on piles of shit.
mats: mircea_popescu: cool. i appreciate your patience, still working on picking up latin and romanian. and maintaining the other languages bouncing around in my head.
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mircea_popescu: mats http://trilema.com/2014/the-romanian-language-for-other-people/#comment-110532 wd :)
mircea_popescu: jesus the fruits in this country, i can't get over it.
mats: whatever the dudes talk about, i suppose.
mats: the more you know!
undata: the various romance subplots are insufferable
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mats: they do alright, generally, but chicks i talk to about it aren't happy with how women are portrayed in the show
mats: the last episode was terrible. they should've avoided all commentary about feminazis in the media
undata: mats: the newsroom is a good show
mats: i lost the battle in giving up TV. i haven't picked up anything new though, so thats a win, i guess
mats: if you enjoyed Ghost in the Shell, you'll probably like Psycho Pass.
mats: things i do watch: Homeland, The Newsroom, New Girl, Sons of Anarchy, Psycho Pass
undata: at least the UFC has very little pretense about that
undata: BingoBoingo: mats: or just accept that what we're doing is watching people fuck each other up
undata: football *certainly isn't* about watching idiots injure each other
mats: the NFL should just get rid of helmets.
BingoBoingo: Even though the players aren't allowed to do that anymore because it is "Targeting" and justifies suspending the SEC sacks leader mid game so Alabama won't have to suffer the possibility of a close game.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, they get that access to so much money so fast
mats: > Sports Illustrated estimated in 2009 that 78 percent of NFL players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within two years of ending their playing careers and that 60percent of NBA players are broke within five years of retiring from the game.
mats: yeah, what is it, like two in three NFL players end up broke after leaving the league?
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adlai: do we finally see potus for what it is, just another role on a stage? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95KTrtzOY-g
BingoBoingo: Yeah there's that too.
mats: yeah, and joining the military.
BingoBoingo also might have suggested the derps were racist for hating the football team because it is one of the most prominent means by which young african americans can achieve upwards social mobility
BingoBoingo may have called out fellow students for hating on the Football team, by suggested they we hating the way those young men expressed their gender...
BingoBoingo: Because when they are in the majority the social justic derps oppress, just less competently
BingoBoingo: Well, the university training wasn't much other than social justice derping as a minority.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'm already a university trained librarian. The rest is just getting a vague idea of what the law shit means
mircea_popescu: the more interesting tyhing is that BingoBoingo is practically becoming a field-trained paralegal.
undata: looks like I made the right choice
BingoBoingo: Not much in the documents other than how evil it is to plea guilty because it lets prosecutors become lazy
undata: I was working on my own crypto-only exchange for a bit, then thought better of it since I don't have piles of money for lawyers
BingoBoingo: Also the "Statement of Reasons" last filing is also unavailable
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing court appointed, but no way to tell. The only interesting filing was his handwritten filing pre sentencing.
mircea_popescu: it's like nigeria, except in nigeria you can't find dentists. in the us you can't find lawyers.
mircea_popescu: the crowd of vultures pretending to represent people's interests in the us courts while strictly representing the court's interest in people's lives is one of the most underrated problems of that country.
BingoBoingo: The entire witness list consists of one item "Group of Photos"
BingoBoingo: One of the presentencing documents is a prinout of the fucking wikipedia page on Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: i certainly am not about to go over the man's picks and "improve em".
mircea_popescu: i didn't pick it either, and i am thankful for not having had to.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, i didn't pick the 7! but i dare to guess that it was chosen out of spite.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically they're just begging for attention at this point.
BingoBoingo: The fuckers, part of his pre-trial release conditions was a prohibition on alcohol, 21st amendment yo!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sometimes, the buggers 'go into tilt' and make it laughably easy. that piece reads as if it had been written by mr. spamgun himself.
mircea_popescu: obviously, honest man would be in wot rather than sitting at the fringe arguing about how him being in the thief seats is wholly immaterial, he's just there for the view, comfort and etc.
asciilifeform: questionable attacks on aes, etc << there are stables of ops grunts paid to sow disinfo - false research leads, general-purpose 'fud' for the academic community, promotion of sensational mystery meats ('badbios' !), etc.
mircea_popescu: so the guy had a bag big enough is it ?
BingoBoingo: Well, Indictment lists the charges as money transmission stuff, and "possession of marijuana with intention to distribute"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they can put people away without even saying what for huh.
BingoBoingo: Finally got the login sorted out, vague indictment was vague
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (incidentally, coppersmith didn't think much of the xsl thing)
mircea_popescu: but the principle remains. "small integers" are not in fact either small or integers but for our perspective.
asciilifeform: 'there is like 30 papers each year published in cryptographic literature in which cryptosystems fail exactly because they use small integers...' << ahahaha. what a brazen and deliberate confusion. bringing up rsa coppersmith attack in thread on unrelated cryptosystem.
mircea_popescu: anyway, birdy whispers in my ear guy's from group that came up with the original xls aes attack. definitely more standing than tim swanson or w/e.
mircea_popescu: i wonder, if i say Dr. Nicolas T. Courtois will this then be the first hit on his name tomorrow or something ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still, i can see the argument that "7" is not safe just for being you know, the number of holes on your body.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm wrestling with my PACER login to find some filings in the Powel case
mircea_popescu: srsly, he keeps linking to reddit thinking/pretending to think he's engaging bitcoin thereby.
asciilifeform: 'one cannot safely just ignore the advice of the cryptographic community about the elliptic curves. Not taking these questions seriously is bad, potentially a gross professional misconduct, and one could in theory even go to prison for that on the basis of some existing laws, for example safeguards rule in the US Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act...' << obey or gasenwagen!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform atm im trying to discern whether the recent "secp256k1" talk is simply the defeated nsa trying to find a better reason to fork bitcoin, or these derps actualy have something.
mircea_popescu: so the guy that wrote that otherwise interesting post : 1) aslo wrote http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=640 , a complete misrepresentation of the tim swhatever incident ; 2) runs a blog where you need cookies/js to leave him a comment pointing out that no, he's not extempt from the common requirements of "know what you're talking about before you posture" ; 3) has a contact page where i could donate btc to him (or ltc he
nubbins`: jurov "he hand-illuminated the text which had been printed on his home Canon inkjet printer. He worked with a binder to assemble the resulting book."
asciilifeform: ecdsa curves, 'nothing up my sleeve' constants << think back to the legend with the 'randomly wired' neural net. if secp256k1 (or, another example, aes s-boxes) have sufficiently broad classes of 'weak key' - then all you need to do is find a simple, e.g., sqrt(2), whatever, 'sleeve constant' that impresses the fools.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, dunno yet, no court docs online, not entered in offender search yet either
kakobrekla: was there a new ssh vuln found past 24hrs?
mircea_popescu: http://blog.bettercrypto.com/?p=1004 << this by the way is an excellent write-up. anyone know the guy / invite him over ?
thestringpuller: I wish my teacher was a porn star teaching the class naked.
thestringpuller: shemlessly opened in the middle of a training session at work
mircea_popescu: "the mp stimulus package", http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/pula_mea2s.jpg
thestringpuller: i get booed off the stage when I do stand up :(
thestringpuller: Haha. I was just imagining you as Bitcoin's Obama. It was funnier in my head because of the implied irony.
thestringpuller: it's because you announced the mircea_popescu stimulus package
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empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=26 Or use a valid MPSIC!
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Namworld: I just checked, it's about 3/4th of the way through.
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decimation: that is an amusing image: the British public took offense because it looked like an ogre was breaching royal protocol
Vexual: thanks for the continue TomServo, i thought this was flappy birds for a minute
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah usg runs the tenement business now, mostly funded by its credit
decimation: punkman: thanks for the link
nubbins`: danielpbarron you'll find that most things around here are overly ad-hoc in their implementation
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cazalla: as i said to BingoBoingo, the trilema article on fat people and their diet which culiminates in day 10-14 gorging themselves on food, tonight, i gorge on alcohol after an abstinence
cazalla: nooooo, i want to believe he hates the nigs
cazalla: maybe fukashima farmer takes his tea to west japan, claims tea grown there
cazalla: then i was like, fkn japanese dogs try to sell mongorrians tainted green tea
cazalla: you fkn glow as green as the tea
punkman: they rebranded earlier this year
fluffypony: oh that's stupid of them
fluffypony: that's the untracked one?
cazalla: there is a john powell negro on youtube who is into bitcoin from 2013, nfi if it is him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q85mvDbX40
punkman: cazalla: did the normal man have a website?
fluffypony: then he should be called oobot
cazalla: ah it was sit but whatever the fuck
punkman: decimation: I guess my question above (rephrased) is this: does the secp256k1 algorithm allow for any arbitrary 256 bit vector to be used as a key? Or is there a restricted set that will be more secure than other cases? <- exponent must be smaller than curve order, which is 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141
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ben_vulpes: <undata> it's this social progress thing << sounds like it's time to have another dinner party
asciilifeform: incidentally, german phrase of the day:
BingoBoingo: That's actually the line the Jurassic park sequels take when dinosaur feathers happened to become the consensus-ish thing IRL
decimation: yeah as Mr. Yarvin enjoys pointing out, the past is dead, cannot live again
BingoBoingo: Actual dinosaurs impossible. Theme park monsters with vague resemblance to dinosaurs could probably be done in a decade or two if anyone cared to go monsanto on chickens
decimation: if watson wanted to 'go out with a bang' he would find the right young men to found an institute that explicitly is an enemy of his idio-cratic critics
asciilifeform: on one hand, old man feels old, envies young impotently, etc. on the other - has impulse for 'last hurrah.' word is that e. teller dreamed of presiding over a nukefest until the day he died.
decimation: "Of the 62 universities in the Association of American Universities, only four do not have programs in engineering, according to the plan. Of those four, two have joint programs in engineering with other institutions."
decimation: for instance, Indiana University has floated the idea of starting an engineering school http://www.idsnews.com/article/2014/11/committee-to-explore-engineering-program-at-iu-bloomington
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mircea_popescu: dithering, basically.
decimation: yeah he was unspecific about the amounts - "most"
mircea_popescu: he will ~talk about~ giving them money.
decimation: http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/41594/title/Watson-Sells-Nobel-for--4-1M/ "Watson told The New York Times that he planned to donate most of the proceeds from the sale to academic institutions, including the University of Chicago, which he attended as an undergraduate; Indiana University, where he earned his PhD; Cambridge, where he and Crick worked; and Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory. “The sale is to support
mircea_popescu: understand old man psychology : the whole world is made out of younger men
mircea_popescu: admittedly, the traditional behaviour of intellectual types.
mircea_popescu: he didn't seem to want to personally do anything past telling the others what they should be doing
BingoBoingo: But now Watson can surmise he will be saved by stotting behavior until the one time he isn't
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << i didn't read any such plan in there. just, "i want money" "what for ?" "fuck you lol:
asciilifeform: said, supposedly, that he will buy back into respectability with the money.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and his (alleged) plan to buy back 'respectability' with money is uncharacteristically foolish << Respect comes from the buyers returning it, like the many "Gems"
mircea_popescu: <decimation> eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds? << yep.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the greatest protest Watson could undertake would be to sell his nobel annually
asciilifeform: picture if - the equalistas will step up their game now. i recall there already was talk of (soviet-style!) revocation of watson's degrees.
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decimation: yes, and they can embiggen themselves to squash any troublesome midgets for a period of time
decimation: opec wants to grow into a giant to squash the midgets in oil
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decimation: no talk about rebalancing spending to cover the shortfall
decimation: academic/media/civil servant complex is the us is chattering about increasing the gas tax, since prices have nearly halved
decimation: http://forward.com/articles/154277/jews-stream-back-to-germany/?p=all << "But under German law since May 1949, any Jew — or the descendants of such a Jew — who fled Nazi Germany has the right to become a naturalized German"
decimation: eh? weren't nearly all the 'returning jews' from german backgrounds?
mircea_popescu: anyway, quick quiz : who is the first person to have spoken german in public in israel post ww2 ?
decimation: which is why the englishers had to squash that shit
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik about 40% of the us is actually from germany at some point