asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i heard before this phrase. what does it mean? 'this here is safe, but that there is where crocodile will emerge from your terminal and bite' ??
mircea_popescu: stupid, yes, but nobody said sexuate reproduction comes at 0 cost. seduction has to occur ~somehow~, the ship has a hole for a purpose.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the whole gambit of the "safe space" internet is that women will generally put their pics in on the strength of some superficial assurance of friendly environment.
mircea_popescu: end up doing with themselves.
mircea_popescu: kinda how 16yo schoolgirls coming from overcomfortable family circumstances (overambitious, overindulgent & overattentive father, overtolerant mother, overflowing dinner table, overisolated [no, no reason for girls to get own room wtf is this])
BingoBoingo: 98F... Seems like the window on that one closed a while ago
asciilifeform: if only merely 'spun in desert'. these are the folx who gave us 'i lost mah keyz' zimmarman, who then pupated into 'rng, what rng' koch, et al
mircea_popescu: these fucktards, spinning around in the desert for 30 years, then aiming to enact moses a fucking statue for his trouble.
asciilifeform: ( for ~what~ one might want this, is separate q , who the fuq needs voice )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for added lulz, given http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-07#1878844 , one actually ~could~, in principle, bake 'rsa pnoje' ( in the sense that, e.g., 2048 * (1/.296) ~= 7kbit/s , moar than enuff for voice )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in today's fetlife, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Ug2hz/?raw=true : the first reported ~marginal~ failure. (not the first encountered ; but i figure maybe someone has some use for almost-smart-enough female, so why not publicize.)
mircea_popescu: " There is an ad hoc demonstration of a new product, an AT&T "secure" phone, supposedly the first conversation-scrambler that's as simple to use as a standard-issue phone." << the kanzure mickey mouse club still doing this btw.
mircea_popescu: sadly, the field actually had to wait for us. but anyway, nice try america, you'll be remembered by the five or so people born there. of which i hear one just died.
mircea_popescu: "Their mutual interest is the arcane field of cryptographythe study of secret codes and cyphers. The very fact that this group exists, however, is indication that the field is about to shift into overdrive. " << yeah, such overdrive...
a111: Logged on 2018-05-04 17:15 zx2c4: mircea_popescu: oh. so. "the world doesnt care about the cool hackers on the internet, but only the assholes with prestigious positions." this has been a widely known complaint for a long time
mircea_popescu: it's always funny (for he who, being "old af" isn't born yesterday) just how 100% the "corporate success" bla bla is copied off "oh, those marginal guys whom http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-04#1809349 "
mircea_popescu: "A mattress is nestled in the rafters. In a hallway behind the reception desk is a kitchen laden with snack food and soft drinks." << check it out, early google office.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near as i can tell, it was a mixture of provocateur shilling and genuinely earnest usefulidjits -- schneier, for instance, was at the time an apparently-earnest 'activist', as was djb (who sued usg at considerable personal expense, and even won in some sense iirc )
mircea_popescu: "It's the FBIs, NSAs, and Equifaxes of the world versus a swelling movement of Cypherpunks, civil libertarians, and millionaire hackers. At stake: Whether privacy will exist in the 21st century."
mircea_popescu: "Early credit also goes to Hugh Daniel (since passed) who administered some of the initial Cypherpunks mailing list infrastructure and IMHO should be considered the fourth Cypherpunks co-founder. For a good and reasonably accurate explanation of the early Cypherpunks days, see the article by Steven Levy in the February 1993 issue of Wired Magazine." << dude, remember back when wired was readable, THIRTY YEARS AGO ?
mircea_popescu: about 1/10 the capital so to speak.
BingoBoingo: Roughly the same vintage as DailyKos and Howard Dean
mircea_popescu: luxuries of the republic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so there you go, ima have her do the entire book, can always read it in human hand now.
asciilifeform never heard of the subj d00d of ^ , but pictures that he was typical specimen of http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-19#1525131
a111: Logged on 2018-12-17 08:01 feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=107 << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of June, July, and August, 1715 - Part V.
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asciilifeform: they dun affect performance visibly.
asciilifeform: regularly. and just about all day, erry day, mass bruteforce idjits. formerly i 'policed' these, iptables, ban lists, but since indices nolonger bother
asciilifeform: and, notably, ultra-stable, i planted the thing on pg in '16 and has ran at all times it had a box to run on, 100% duty cycle, no crashes
asciilifeform: i dun have much in the way of seriously deep departure from default global config ( the defaults are surprisingly sane in pg -- e.g., no 'eat infinite ram' default like apparently exists in mysql )
asciilifeform: i'ma put on the conveyor, a piece re how to index ( supposing trinque dun get to it 1st )
mircea_popescu: trinque afaik, the original champion.
asciilifeform: the only item i have that is intensely pgistic is indices
asciilifeform: is anybody other than asciilifeform using postgres currently ?
mircea_popescu certainly not against having magic postgres ver+config tested out for mp-wp. never stumbled on the magic combo, but also never looked too hard. the hooks are in though, can be switched ~effortlessly.
mircea_popescu: prolly should publish this then
asciilifeform: ( all on postgres tho, and prolly not straight-portable to others, e.g. mysql )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881163 << fwiw in the end i tuned phuctor so has transactions + indices + fast + sliced bread
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/i-guess-well-know-for-sure-at-the-judgment/ << Daniel P. Barron -- I guess we'll know for sure at the judgment.
mircea_popescu: remembering arbitrary random associations is not enough, gotta now remember their order, also. what -r is recursive and -v is version, grep wants -v to be invert match and curl wants -r to be "range", whatever the fuck yahoos come up with you're stuck learning.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in wtf : iptables -nL works as expected ; iptables -Ln does not ; iptables -L -n does not either. dat "unix philosophy".
mircea_popescu: ANOTHER three years.
mircea_popescu: these are contrary, and the contrast is unresolvable, either you go for tall girls or you go for light girls. there's no tall light girls.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 21:21 mircea_popescu: "the notion that airplanes could reproduce through laying eggs is merely a naive extension, in the vein of 'object A has properties a and b ; object B shares property a and therefore it is reasonable ~~~on a first approximation~~~ to expect it exhibit proerty b'. nevertheless, artifacts differ from nature in that one fundamental aspect, that they're inefficient, and therefore to achieve same ends end up heavy, and in the case
mircea_popescu: ie, we're straight back to a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877543 : when it comes to flight, the strategy must include separating the egg laying part out of the airplane. whereas when it comes to fit-in-head or what have you, elegance, self-containedness, the egg laying part must be included in the airplane.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of the db issue, because yes i've been mulling it though, it is ~probably~ an unresolvable conundrum. things like trilema laughing at http://trilema.com/2014/mircea-popescu-is-an-asshole/ slash 2014 douchebags entirely depend on its underlying database (and its usage thereof) being very well flattened into vanishing nothingness. meanwhile items like the search discussed last time, support for transactions (which
diana_coman: but re articles on trilema in general I'd say that they certainly build a LOT on pre-existing stuff so yes, on one hand better and on the other hand more complex
diana_coman hasn't yet read the Post Malone thing
mircea_popescu: i'd say my articles are getting better, or rather that it seems to me there was a quality jump sometime this year. but this is to me, from outside i suspect the complexity just exploded (again).
mircea_popescu: "The article is short, its embedded references are a den of rabbit holes. " << this last one has, (i counted), 22 links. half of which (exactly) are linked to-reference inside, and most of the reference indices are three digits. one's 4 digits (2781!). the average is 427 (exactly!) and considering that thing counts objects...
diana_coman: and thank you for all the feedback!
diana_coman: the knob+time is always and forever as it was
mircea_popescu: "five dollars -- knob ; five grand -- the time it took to learn which"
diana_coman: ah, ah, re time; well, it's the 3 hours after ..how many years
diana_coman: I thought she was anyway moving on to doing the ocr thing?
mircea_popescu: and nicole is not in the slightest jealous at all.
diana_coman: this is not to say that any week would take the same, as I don't expect it would
diana_coman: ftr the whole thing took a bit less than 3 hours including some re-reading of stuff just-because
mircea_popescu: there's two basic salutations, anthropo-objectively speaking : "i'm with you" and "may you be ok".
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-263.110-263.118 << salve is the other one, from salus ("health", really though more like "indemnity"). cons rom reg phyrrh ~salutem~.
mircea_popescu: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/16/a-week-in-tmsr-3-9-december-2018/#selection-211.1-211.257 << maybe a bit of an overstatement. eg, turning off the checks will improve it still.
diana_coman: ah, I was scratching head re golden veal, lol; that'd be the steak basically
mircea_popescu: apparently it's called the golden calf, in english. pity, seems a wasted opportunity.
diana_coman: hm, I don't yet see it that way but it'll become clear one way or another quite quickly
mircea_popescu: i doubt the problem's etiquette. seems to me much deeper issue than that, civillian pantsuit expects anything can be taken in "at his own rate" because his personal golden veal promised him there will never be such a thing as the calling in this world.
mircea_popescu: and more generally, if it's a "oh, #trilema is item #608 on my list of 1850 vaguely maybe interesting items i found on the internet, among which i read to pass the time waiting for the bus or w/e" sorta affair forget about it altogether, there's 0 interest in supporting that kinda imbecility/pluralism/skepticism.
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mircea_popescu: !Q later tell juliankunkel would you kindly spare us the join/part spamming ? can read the weblogs just fine, no need to be connected with nothing to say.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881112 << interesting, and esp. from the pov where the bolixiana hoarders quite resemble him...
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asciilifeform: !Q later tell amberglint http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881109 << if you found the src, might be interesting , otherwise not imho esp. useful
BingoBoingo: The afterlife is a helluva thing
amberglint: N-World was relatively popular among 90s game developers, used in the development of Super Mario 64 and Final Fantasy VII which are probably the most popular console games of their time
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:59 asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
amberglint: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-16#1881097 << the most-well known item is the Lord of the Rings movie
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:44 asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
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mircea_popescu: " As a result, we have decided to turn off the bulletin board while we search for a better product (hopefully one that will allow us to migrate our previous content). Just to let everyone know, we have been working quite busily over the past couple months, and will make announcements of any new product availability as soon as it/they become(s) available! "
mircea_popescu: "Bulletin Board As you may have discovered, our bulletin board has recently been overrun by garbage posts, contributing in part to the crash of the Mirai forum. "
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bTqWsVqyzE << the most well-known item produced with subj, afaik
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt to tie this into prev thread -- seems as if the bolix 3d engine, 1 of the 1st to be sold as such, still exists as commercial product, owned by some jp firm. naturally cppized and renamed. )
asciilifeform: it's mostly used for ordinary boring guism, rather than game
asciilifeform: qt ( of last i saw it ) had a thin shim for opengl but iirc hat was all the '3dism' offered therein
mircea_popescu: but all this said, i see the "multiplatform" angle.
mircea_popescu: (let's take a moment for a libration in thanking the gods satoshi didn't fucking writer bitcoin in unity)
mircea_popescu: that hydro plant is NEVER going anywhere. if there's 5000 people left total, it'll still run.
mircea_popescu: unity is three dorks and a shoe string. not working, never will work, won't be here in another few years.
asciilifeform: they dun need to not suck to be taken up, only to suck less than the 'native' variant, which is surprisingly easy
asciilifeform: 'crossplatform lib'isms that even half-work (e.g. 'qt') end up wildly popular, on acct of how much sweat they save if condition 'must run on microshit AND crapple' is a given for $product
mircea_popescu: i suppose the question might be a little like "why are they all in flip flops, terrible design, utterly inconvenient, how the fuck is every dumbass on fetlife amange to pick em". ie, "pick nothing, it's what they had at the store. ALL they had at the store."
asciilifeform: btw 'unity' seems to be pestilentially common on the various 3dvisor boxen
mircea_popescu: the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from << this is a group of random morons, hardly together enough to find which side of the wall it's raining on.
asciilifeform: evidently they're cousins of somebody or else. or else why picked by hitler.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-16 04:24 mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
asciilifeform: or do they literally draw'em from hat.
mircea_popescu: so, dorks with no connections and no resources somehow nevertheless managed to schelling on this. why the fuck ? what ? cuz it's got a cube-like "icon" and 2010 was all about cube-like icons, gotta kubinetes on unity ?
mircea_popescu: anyone with even cursory qualifications in software project management could have pointed out they have 0 chances of managing the switch before their chosen platform dies (they took 12+ years to fuck up the original codebase, glacial foss devcycles as only gnu can exemplify).
mircea_popescu: and before "conspiracy theory", as in "they have a mailing list, http://qntra.net/2015/11/disgraced-gavin-of-global-warming-government-scaling-debate-moves-on-to-alt-kook/ style, talked it over there in secret and consensused to pick this" : the idiots s.mg forked legacy eulora codebase from also famously "decided to switch to unity".
mircea_popescu: ~why~ exactly the robohitler chose to act as if this piece of shit is "the future" for a decade starting cca 2010 is the faint interesting bit in here.
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity_Technologies << vaguely interesting to the entomologist, i guess. 100% vaporware, shit never worked nor was it ever useful. yet for reasons unclear it received the microsoft treatment, where usg.ibm started throwing money at it for no reason, rather than the http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ usual pump-and-dump scam treatment.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in heathen lulz, "Unity Web Player games are no longer playable on Chrome, Firefox, or Edge browsers."
phf: asciilifeform, yeah i just included the patches in case there's something interesting there (i don't know what the overlap of patchsets is between machines)
asciilifeform: ( at the very least, is moar than i've written for it )
asciilifeform: the 1st, lol, port of 'zork' to bolix...
asciilifeform: phf: the 2nd link contains dks patches
asciilifeform: asciilifeform's purchase of 3620 back in the day may've been a dead end, but at least only wasted a handful of posts on subj.
phf: i think he took a bunch of macro photos of random parts, and wrote a zmachine version 0 emulators, which in itself can be noted, if the rest of it wasn't so obnoxious
asciilifeform: at one time i actually went through his entire www, thinking to find even 1 shot of PAL/GAL with the sticker off, to identify the part. found 0.
asciilifeform: trinque: 'lisp engineer' (picture) is simply the most publicly-egregious example i know of . prolly there are others, similar, but with fewer lolcatpics
asciilifeform: also so happens also that the most recent piece of iron in the torture room , excluding FG, is from '09. ( the opterons in the box i'm sitting on nao. )
phf: i bought a barely used eizo cg243w from a russian guy. it was one of his last possessions (no work and didn't want to become a "corporate whore"), and he talked about how quality of everything went down and keeps going down and that you really only can trust 2009 hardware at the latest. i wonder if there are more people like that hoarding their prized bolix, but without yet hitting the necessity to sell one.
asciilifeform: for comparison, http://www.lispmachine.net/symbolics.txt is identical to the document i got from dks in '07. quotes 3.2k for the exact box i uncrated today.
asciilifeform: couldn't have all gone to the au recyclers, i dun think.
asciilifeform: iirc in early 2000s, 'american express' unplugged its bolix cluster ( handled fraud detection thingie ) , and surplussed coupla hundred machines. wonder where they went.
asciilifeform: i suspect it's moar like the high prices of illicit cell pnoje in jail. i.e. not high because megatonnes of money circulating, but because supply so thin.
phf: asciilifeform, that's entirely my impression. the xl that i bought went at asking price, because ^ wasn't bidding, the rest of them were bought by the same guy, and he was bidding against a handful of desperados. i suspect that the whole thing was a fluke, or rather the Rembrandt market was a combination of luck and skill on the part of dks
a111: Logged on 2017-08-03 03:38 asciilifeform: https://symbolics.lisp.engineer/goals << in other lulz.
asciilifeform: phf: damned if i know. in as far as i can tell, the entire 'user komyoonity' consists of asciilifeform , phf, and a dozen http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693150 's
phf: or it was always the same 5 people bidding
asciilifeform: possibly i'm the last archaeologist who didn't have 1 yet, lol
phf: ah, huh, he's an experienced showman, could've probably sold as a board, without anything else and still fetched the same price
asciilifeform: ( iirc the crapple box per se is worth about a hundy on junkmarkets )
a111: Logged on 2014-01-19 19:38 asciilifeform: as a boy, i read about an 18th c. book, 'Triple Power over the Forces of Hell'
asciilifeform: ( it also came with the nic, so i'ma run it through x11. but will keep these around for later http://btcbase.org/log/2014-01-19#449479 )
asciilifeform: and the infamous 1button mouse
asciilifeform: in other noose, phf , mircea_popescu , et al, the bolix is here. dks packs a++ , princely, all parts on manifest , and kilometre of bubbles. will post photos as soon as i wrap up my albatross of this week, ch14
mircea_popescu: precisely. i have regular bowel movements that do not tend to interfere with my daily life ; but even so i still spend most of the day doing other things.
asciilifeform: sorta how i've met runners, even competition-grade ones, but they did not run all day, erry day, to kitchen, to toilet, etc
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of variety out there, "i have a cuck, i'm marrying him" doesn't even top the scale.
asciilifeform: i thought it was mostly pokerists, and shirts rather than socks
mircea_popescu: btw, you ever met one of those athletes who never changed their socks this month
mircea_popescu: i thought we previously agreed last time any actual design work went into computing the year was 1979
asciilifeform: it's rather like to say 'sailors, they fear krakens' 'mmno? what century yer posting from?'
mircea_popescu: guess what -- people in the 70s hadn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't say i have ever encountered this phobia outside of the yudkowsky/reddit/etc weirdos
mircea_popescu: Ask him why he thinks he should be able to get away with unsafe code, core dumps, viruses, buffer overruns, undetected errors, etc, just because he wants speed. << "i asked him, he shrugged his shoulders and went 'well, at least my machine won't fucking take over the world.'"
mircea_popescu: this may then explain "insane" choices such as boggle naggum.
mircea_popescu: it's certainly evident in period napkin notations (because yes, stuff like asimov's productions are "the napkin doodles of scientific work") ; and strictly speaking there is exactly no difference between "sentient machine" and "metastable strange". that's exactly what sentience fucking is, metastable strange.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:31 mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880894 << thinking of this and the whole sns/hp nonstop etc thing : i suspect a large chunk of the way things went may be driven by a (naive, and not necessarily spoken) "what if machine becomes sentient and you cant' turn it off" phobia.
mircea_popescu: i think her situation is rather typical.
mircea_popescu: this whole "mate within age group" thing the anglos got going is really hurting them.
mircea_popescu: i expect it's another dazed twenty-something.
BingoBoingo: Damn "passed time" time stamping. Though for a second there was a 51 year old cuck involved
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/dcTLv/?raw=true << sample "makes it". they do exist, just, the english speaking world readily approximates as a small townstead drowned in an ocean's worth of inexplicably voluble & outspoken krill.
mircea_popescu: not 10%. >90% of them about evenly split between the indolent imbecility of silence and aggressive stupidity of the "wut".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approx what % pass the 'omfg it's cut off' litmus ?
mircea_popescu: aaand just in case anyone was missing these, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/0NV4h/?raw=true
asciilifeform: suppose cassette sat in trough of pb, 2cm or so in thickness. ( i.e. only path for photon onto paper, is through the $object )
asciilifeform: ( believe or not, this is an actual problem for folx keeping stockpile of photopaper, it fogs even without 'sunbathe' , from background gamma . which is likely why scheme wouldn't work.)
asciilifeform: btw gedankenexperiment -- given patience, and a rigid, immovable photo subject (e.g. pcb) , can take radiogram... without tube. ( sun. a la the 'erase uv eprom without eraser' method ) . by my napkin calc, 8 or so months of film cassette on rooftop oughta produce an image..
asciilifeform: if they'd watched it glitter from 100m, would've lived, lol
mircea_popescu: right ? buncha moron/anal princesses discovered the ultimate precious stones.
asciilifeform: the co-60 brazilians.
mircea_popescu: no fucking way, we so keked at the blue jool powder
mircea_popescu: no need for another curie.
asciilifeform: my particular setup ( and yes have 1 from ~last~ time this came up ) has somewhat opposite problem of 'shoot self and bystanders' -- it aint a dental kit, but surplus tube the size of finger, orig . was used to measure thickness of au on glass sinter
mircea_popescu: it's a thing. when you're going "meh, ima use a dental kit" you're being one kinda lulzy. when you're going "a-ha, ima make xray out of old tv tube and camera sensor" you're being ANOTHER kind.
mircea_popescu: there's also the what to discard, what not to have in there at all (yes there's such a thing as xray mirror, also some plastics are no good, and so on).
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 05:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880900 << i won't even be esp. disappointed if result is that the sitters-on-tapes pull heads out of collective arse and post the goods
a111: Logged on 2018-12-15 00:35 asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-15#1880867 << dude just how junkwars are you gonna get lmao. there's a special die, similar in principle, but diff materials, wtf.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880861 << incidentally, if and when this pays off (which i suspect it will), shall be lulzy to see the "oh, didn't happen, we did it first bla bla bla" morons.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:53 asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880848 << honestly taking the dram out of it entirely major simplificatory cut of great gain.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 22:49 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
mircea_popescu: what's not being discussed is the problem of space debris. but yes, unsurprisingly enough and predictably enough the end result of "people can now go to space" was "earth now looks like a ball of burata looks once the mold can '''go to space'''. ie, surrounded by a skirting of debris,"
mircea_popescu: it all started with the gps -- there, MUST have multiple sats for multiple positions. but "if there -- everywhere", so now the method is "just launch seven".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-14 19:33 asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-14#1880830 << afaik satellites meanwhile were chinesium'd. "oh, it is broken ? launch another one".
asciilifeform: could've sworn there was sumthing re a schism
asciilifeform: ( or was it over some other doctrine )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: plox to expand then, what do we get when we xor danielpbarron's no-free-wills with calvin
asciilifeform: incidentally, i had potentially interesting notion: a modern-day digicam ccd, of e.g. 25 'megapixel', is just about dense enuff that one could take a meaningful xray of the ivory die, if one could be found that responds to xray..
asciilifeform: the item can then be used as fairly compact instrument to probe behaviour of the chip vs. the old emulators.
asciilifeform: phf: i am thinking, instead of burning time on emulating 'nubus' and ancient crapple, when working (from mac-side pov) clone exists i'ma drive it directly via onboard ft2232hl or similar ( the mac-side src , i've had for yrs, and it's quite straightforward re what is done to the card; once i know what specifically happens on the card when nubus regs are written, may as well do it from pc directly to/from the ivory cpu via usb-to-5v-f
phf: yeah, the scsi/solidstate adapter exists, is actively used for "retro hardware"
asciilifeform: in fact damn near errything but the filter caps is socketed.
asciilifeform: ( actually 1st item will actually be to ditch the ancient scsi hdd and replace with solidstate. i'd hate to lose the box to platter rot )
phf: you know if ivory on macivory actually replaceable, the way it is on xl?
asciilifeform: plus i'ma need ivorytron with direct probes on the cpu lines, and there aint any room for such a thing in the orig
asciilifeform: phf: when thought about it, realized it was mistake : gotta find what the external-to-cpu logic on that thing actually does
asciilifeform: ( and really dun need dram at all, the drams on the daughterboard are all connected through period auto-refresher ic that presents as a sram )
asciilifeform: ( i aint gonna stick to the period srams/drams, cuz that'd be simply dumb , each really belongs as 1 chip )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-13 18:53 asciilifeform: 1st logical step , on the magic day when asciilifeform has both pcb layout and GAL contents nailed down, will prolly be to make an exact physical copy of the board.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw i still dunno if the bolix people set the lock bit in those things or not; possibly they didn't even )
asciilifeform: what i could really use is some PAL/GAL src. if ever turns up. will make the affair go 9000x quicker.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma prolly end up xraying with own hands, i dun trust heathen derps with the jools
phf: well, you'll still have to xray some, because i barely have anything on macivory, but i'll go over the scans this weekend. i actually have (miracle of miracles) free weekend coming up
asciilifeform: ( the crate is slated to arrive tomorrow morning... )
phf: i still remember one of the cobol guys pulling out random bits from it on day one and going "i can just pull a bunch of things and it keeps working"
phf: well, i appreciated it in theory, didn't have enough active drive to grok it, nor the necessary background
phf: asciilifeform: i worked on tandem for a bit (known by then as HP NonStop), i appreciated the architecture, but entire software stack was cobol
asciilifeform: the win, when there is a win, is that you can make the jesusbolt 'stateless', i.e. if particle whacks it, it resets and retries the last cycle rather than going into metastable strange
asciilifeform: reportedly items like this are being orbited , as cost-saving measure in place of ye olde saphire semiconductors. but there's ~nuffin publicly written re just how built.
asciilifeform: even the old ibm irons have a few things to teach pc re redundant/votingcircuit scheme.
asciilifeform: lotsa ancient artifacts are imho worth documenting. tricky bit is getting at the surviving crumbs.
asciilifeform: e.g. xerox lispm is rarer still ( and had own merits, which i pieced together 100% from docs and surviving photos and won't even go into in depth because approx as questionable as archaeology of merv... )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, bolix aint even the least-gettable old/interesting comp
mircea_popescu: hey, wasn't proclaimed the golden veal. merely worth documenting.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-23 02:41 asciilifeform: per dijkstra's 'testing can demonstrate the presence of bugs, but never their absence'
asciilifeform: in exactly same way that 'no reported thefts of gold from ft.knox' can mean 1 of 2 things.
asciilifeform: ( and not necessarily the 1 implied by commenter.. )
mircea_popescu: yeah, what the hell happened with sns ?
asciilifeform: ( can laff if you like, at the d00d, but he ~does~ apparently have a blog. and it's even 1 that aint in 'lamp stack' , and i envy the pg load latencies.. )
asciilifeform: in other lulz ( and given as http://logs.bvulpes.com/asciilifeform still dead.. ) , http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iLAh3/?raw=true << recent proceedings from asciilifeform's outpatient tele-clinic .
BingoBoingo: In local news, the people are now dying waiting in line https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/sindicato-y-autoridades-del-bps-dan-versiones-diferentes-sobre-muerte-de-jubilados-haciendo-cola--20181213193244
asciilifeform: els and VMM’s still have code injections and leaks the 1990’s versions prevented. Recent example being cache-based, side channels originally reported in 1992 in VAX VMM using analysis method from 1991.' )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, for pro entomologists only, https://archive.is/UFTWQ ( e.g. 'Some like SNS Server have no reported breaches over almost 30 years. Companies wouldn’t buy them. FOSS folks don’t build them. To this day and uniquely to this sub-field, most folks well-known in security act like none of that work ever happened, ignore those methods that got results, and slowly reinvent them or knockoffs of them with less results. Their kern
asciilifeform: yea strike that. ( asciilifeform mistaken in >1 way, it is also possible for '9000' legit clients to issue hello and overfill , even if it were actually the case that 1:1 handshake )
mircea_popescu: but "here's the 256 serpent keys i want you to pick amongst" is not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman: re queues filling : per my reading of http://trilema.com/2018/euloras-communication-protocol-restated/#selection-673.0-673.234 , well-behaved clients cannot cause queue to overfill, as it's a synchronous back/forth. so overfilled queue indicates somebody for the chopping block.
mircea_popescu: we make the queue large :D
diana_coman: they will just get potentially stuck waiting for queue to empty
mircea_popescu: do they check and signal when queue is fuller than some percentage << i expect the task manager will have to do this. not the wrapper, no.
diana_coman: because they are non-client/app specific really
diana_coman: given the decision for thin, it makes sense, yes
mircea_popescu: not like can't separate later. but generally speaking the tendency of v-trees is integration.
mircea_popescu: "I'm not even sure whether a sender/receiver should be in fact part of smg_comms" << while this has merit, i'd still keep them in.
mircea_popescu: ok, so the idea here is, that while maintaining different code on different boxes is costly and undersirable, nevertheless that is mitigated by the relative ease of the genericization/prototyping mechanism in ada ; whereas single queue model, as logically tempting as it may be, is costlier than it seems (not necessarily because insertion can't be o1, but still, machinery involved).
diana_coman: which other way?
diana_coman: they are same code except payload_len parameter
diana_coman: uhm, it's "different" in the sense of one parameter
mircea_popescu: so you're gonna run different code on them ?
mircea_popescu: and then if we get two boxes, there's gonna be an allocated and always-empty queue on each of these.
asciilifeform: ( item can be made as mircea_popescu described, either from 2 fifos or 1 priorityqueue. but the latter is actually much moar complicated, in re moving parts, than the former )
asciilifeform: so then 2 queues lol
mircea_popescu: oh so you DO have two queues then ?