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(trilema) nubbins`: not much mucking involved
(trilema) nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: it's admittedly a poor payment choice for any in-person transaction
(trilema) nubbins`: no connection for your phone. POS has wired access
(trilema) nubbins`: it's a lot to ask, i know
(trilema) nubbins`: or one of the thousands of dedicated qr apps
(trilema) nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: so carry a phone with a couple of QR codes loaded into the camera roll
(trilema) nubbins`: for your smartphone?
(trilema) nubbins`: if only you had a throwaway address with some BTC
(trilema) nubbins`: you can't get a net connection
(trilema) nubbins`: oh, whoops, the cell service sucks inside this mall
(trilema) nubbins`: okay, sweet!
(trilema) nubbins`: ideal scenario
(trilema) nubbins`: how would you do it?
(trilema) nubbins`: but let's say that you want to spend btc at a store
(trilema) nubbins`: kakobrekla: cash is still king in many, many places
(trilema) nubbins`: but it's no more inconvenient than going to the bank to withdraw cash
(trilema) nubbins`: sure, it requires the purchaser to perform a modicum of work before they go shopping
(trilema) nubbins`: it's an obvious front-runner
(trilema) nubbins`: but given the lack of alternatives
(trilema) nubbins`: now, i mean, obviously sweeping isn't the best way to conduct ALL transactions
(trilema) nubbins`: or the purchaser could just generate a ton of throwaway addresses, load each with some BTC, and hand over a private key whenever he makes a purchase
(trilema) nubbins`: signing the tx requires the purchaser to have net access
(trilema) nubbins`: a five-dollar bill is a private key
(trilema) nubbins`: hell, maybe some iSeries/DB2 machines as well
(trilema) nubbins`: it's running a mixture of osx, linux, and windows
(trilema) nubbins`: no need to increase attack surface
(trilema) nubbins`: no need to plug it into POS
(trilema) nubbins`: now, suppose the trezor instead just displayed private keys
(trilema) nubbins`: allowing free access to usb ports exponentially increases the attack surface
(trilema) nubbins`: a likely response would be "why did you plug a strange device into your computer, you fucking asshole?"
(trilema) nubbins`: and then see how they react
(trilema) nubbins`: if you work in an office, tell the help desk that you plugged a usb stick into your computer and now it's acting strangely
(trilema) nubbins`: plugging a trezor into a computer = plugging a keyboard/mouse into a computer
(trilema) nubbins`: problem is, how does the OS know whether "send all BTC to xyz" is coming from the actual keyboard or the fake trezor?
(trilema) nubbins`: HID apis are available for any modern OS
(trilema) nubbins`: non-trivial to restrict HID devices
(trilema) nubbins`: trivial to restrict net access
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm assuming HID is platform-independent
(trilema) nubbins`: i.e. your computer recognizes it as a fucking KEYBOARD
(trilema) nubbins`: it's a HID device
(trilema) nubbins`: inserting tremor = unlimited physical access
(trilema) nubbins`: obviously you're going to
(trilema) nubbins`: are you going to use that physical access, or not?
(trilema) nubbins`: for example: i'd like you to compromise the computer i'm currently using. you have unlimited physical access.
(trilema) nubbins`: not only more visible, but higher risk
(trilema) nubbins`: but your chances of getting a disease are WAY higher if you get a tattoo on your ass that says "open for business"
(trilema) nubbins`: sure, you might get a disease just from walking around in public
(trilema) nubbins`: letting someone plug a device into your computer is the same as letting someone stick their dick in you without a condom
(trilema) nubbins`: you airgap them from the public, yes
(trilema) nubbins`: tremor provides a bridge for a foreign army to walk over
(trilema) nubbins`: NFC/QR provides an air gap
(trilema) nubbins`: it boggles me that you think plugging in a strange USB device is no more dangerous than being connected to the internet
(trilema) nubbins`: in a perfect world, yes
(trilema) nubbins`: and now you've plugged a strange USB device into a machine with a hotwallet
(trilema) nubbins`: well, how the fuck else is it giving change to people?
(trilema) nubbins`: if i mail you a USB stick, will you plug it into a machine that holds all your private keys?
(trilema) nubbins`: oh wait, it does
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: no big deal as long as it doesn't handle money
(trilema) nubbins`: thestringpuller: that's exactly what it is
(trilema) nubbins`: it's the height of retardedness
(trilema) nubbins`: kakobrekla: if you were a vendor, and you accepted BTC, why the FUCK would you let people plug foreign USB devices into your POS?
(trilema) nubbins`: terrible idea
(trilema) nubbins`: thestringpuller: yes
(trilema) nubbins`: or you could just print a sheet of QR codes on paper
(trilema) nubbins`: doesn't even need to be connected to the internet
(trilema) nubbins`: hell, you could make a low-cost e-ink device that you can load with QR codes
(trilema) nubbins`: Scrat: the other side is that ANY smartphone can display QR codes. some smartphones (*cough* apple) don't want you to run bitcoin wallets
(trilema) nubbins`: "Bob visits his first store and purchases a pair of sunglasses for 0.15 BTC. He provides the cashier with a QR code for 0.2 BTC, which is swept; he then provides the QR code for his change address, to which the cashier sends his change, 0.05 BTC."
(trilema) nubbins`: or you can just hand them a private key and walk away
(trilema) nubbins`: so then you have to fire up your smartphone app, scan their QR, send the coins, wait for confirmation
(trilema) nubbins`: well, currently, you walk into a cafe and they say "wanna pay with bitcoin? send your BTC to this address!"
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, the exact implementation isn't important
(trilema) nubbins`: software automatically sweeps funds
(trilema) nubbins`: they scan it with a webcam
(trilema) nubbins`: nothing wrong, but why not just show them a QR code?
(trilema) nubbins`: you then provide them a public address for them to send your change to
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: essentially, the only sensible way to conduct a face-to-face transaction is to hand the vendor a private key, which they sweep
(trilema) nubbins`: half of which goes to the retard operating the ipo, half of which goes to the guy selling the shares
(trilema) nubbins`: so in this example, we have a retard buying 4000 shares
(trilema) nubbins`: assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00041 = 1.64 BTC [-]
(trilema) nubbins`: which is now trading for 2x ipo
(trilema) nubbins`: case in point, cbtc
(trilema) nubbins`: brokerage, if you will
(trilema) nubbins`: i'd consider that a case of facilitating retards giving money to other retards
(trilema) nubbins`: i give money to retards indirectly via taxes
(trilema) nubbins`: and realize a net loss of money
(trilema) nubbins`: because later, the retards buy back the things they pawned
(trilema) nubbins`: i think so
(trilema) nubbins`: but i can't think of any
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm sure there are plenty of legit reasons why this is a bad approach: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291904.0
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: ooh, true enough
(trilema) nubbins`: BTC-only pawn shop!
(trilema) nubbins`: no pawn shops here
(trilema) nubbins`: coulda been gold. lot of addicts around here, and they like breaking into houses and stealing things
(trilema) nubbins`: so i said "my wife's a cop, she might want it" and the lady ran away ;(
(trilema) nubbins`: when i answered, she held out her hand, with a gold necklace in it, and asked if i wanted to buy it
(trilema) nubbins`: the other day, a frail, nervous-looking woman knocked on my door
(trilema) nubbins`: speaking of retards and money
(trilema) nubbins`: e.g.: welfare cheques + video lottery terminals
(trilema) nubbins`: giving money to retards is OK as long as you have a plan for getting it back
(trilema) nubbins`: everyone blames ballmer
(trilema) nubbins`: and the closed caption video screen says "(or vagina)"
(trilema) nubbins`: dance music blasting "the words 'micro' and 'soft' don't apply to my penis"
(trilema) nubbins`: that conference thing reminded me of that MS conference in europe
(trilema) nubbins`: there's a lovely hiking trail here that passes right next to the dump. little teeny tiny bits of plastic everywhere throughout the forest
(trilema) nubbins`: everything else aside, what a masturbatory waste of time. who goes to a conference to see some drooling fuck-up make puns about tits?
(trilema) nubbins`: from the article: "With two 60 second presentations of tits and jerking off..."
(trilema) nubbins`: ClivePalmer: this may imply that i'm stupid for continually being surprised
(trilema) nubbins`: ClivePalmer: i keep thinking people can't get stupider, and i keep getting surprised
(trilema) nubbins`: like, what was it, cryptx? that was promising to pay dividends up to the point where you got your IPO share price back
(trilema) nubbins`: it's actually surprising how greed can blind people to obvious scams
(trilema) nubbins`: boggles me
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, each IPO share i can sell at 2x "value" is essentially a small public service on my behalf
(trilema) nubbins`: see dealco, see cfig
(trilema) nubbins`: scoop up shares, sell em for 100% return, watch them slowly sink into oblivion
(trilema) nubbins`: IPOs are great
(trilema) nubbins`: !!! @ cbtc
(trilema) nubbins`: (from Italian: balcone, scaffold)
(trilema) nubbins`: no balcony
(trilema) nubbins`: deluxe family rooms with a direct full anal view
(trilema) nubbins`: that's a great name for an all-woman band
(trilema) nubbins`: Male Groups
(trilema) nubbins`: now the goat looks like he knows what he's doing
(trilema) nubbins`: similar penchant for consuming human souls
(trilema) nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: LEL
(trilema) nubbins`: it knows so much!
(trilema) nubbins`: interestingly, if you remove the word "monster", that image doesn't appear in the results
(trilema) nubbins`: i google image searched "karpeles monster"
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm gonna say no, given that i'm not sure who/what karpeles is
(trilema) nubbins`: sneak peek of a concept sketch for the Eulora heraldics: http://imgur.com/Rx0KQDZ
(trilema) nubbins`: it's a zine we publish
(trilema) nubbins`: "a whale and other disorders"
(trilema) nubbins`: about as good as it gets right there
(trilema) nubbins`: my drawing style is too noisy for most things anyway
(trilema) nubbins`: but with our powers combined...
(trilema) nubbins`: i can't draw for shit, and she's not great with ps/illustrator
(trilema) nubbins`: she holds the pencil, i hold the mouse
(trilema) nubbins`: fuck it then, just pay me and my wife to make one :P
(trilema) nubbins`: i don't know any of you ;(
(trilema) nubbins`: TAT RECORDS
(trilema) nubbins`: well, if you do, you should get a logo contest started up
(trilema) nubbins`: (i don't actually wonder)
(trilema) nubbins`: i wonder will he sign my band
(trilema) nubbins`: wasn't there someone on btctalk trying to get a group buy set up for coolio's entire library?
(trilema) nubbins`: now that's an IPO i'd buy and hold
(trilema) nubbins`: hmm, i used to be huge into aphex
(trilema) nubbins`: lel @ dealco
(trilema) nubbins`: let's discuss why devices like the trezor exist when it's obviously a bad idea
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;google aleotoric
(trilema) nubbins`: of the aliases
(trilema) nubbins`: everyone keeps saying it's the best
(trilema) nubbins`: i haven't gotten around to much villain yet
(trilema) nubbins`: well, it's certainly easier for me to notice
(trilema) nubbins`: it was on a Vice compilation that my friend's band was on
(trilema) nubbins`: he did a sweet track with Jake One a few years ago called trap door
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, a lot of his producers kinda lack
(trilema) nubbins`: just came across this gem: "It has become a topic among fans how he sets up gigs like robberies. For example, demanding more money to show up which if accepted by the venue, results in a breach of contract, leaving him legally sound to send impostors or even skip it altogether."
(trilema) nubbins`: You guys listen to MF Doom?
(trilema) nubbins`: ClivePalmer: xmas gifts for employees?
(trilema) nubbins`: their albums listen like technical demos
(trilema) nubbins`: production-wise, it's hard to beat Shellac
(trilema) nubbins`: IDGAF about non or dre anymore, i'm just dusting off old memories
(trilema) nubbins`: it was a long time ago :P
(trilema) nubbins`: and he was all "uh, i'm used to working with 4"
(trilema) nubbins`: apparently he shit his pants a little bit because the guys were mixing down like 65-track songs
(trilema) nubbins`: ah, just the one, then
(trilema) nubbins`: dre helped produce a couple of nine inch nails albums
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, time for a beach fire
(trilema) nubbins`: if you haven't seen a mutated, melting jeff goldblum whimpering "kill me", you haven't seen jeff goldblum
(trilema) nubbins`: like retail for < 0.1 BTC
(trilema) nubbins`: i think with even low quantity (5-10k units) i can get these HW wallets made insanely cheap
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, just browsing now
(trilema) nubbins`: anyone ever used alibaba?
(trilema) nubbins`: you mean it's not all about me? ;p
(trilema) nubbins`: all you really need is the ability to display images and do some math
(trilema) nubbins`: even a web browser is pretty heavy for this sort of thing
(trilema) nubbins`: no physical connectivity at all, aside from your own PC at home
(trilema) nubbins`: the beauty is that they don't even need any sort of net connectivity
(trilema) nubbins`: supermarkets are already using them for live-updated price tags on shelves
(trilema) nubbins`: cheapie e-ink displays, on the other hand
(trilema) nubbins`: besides, you can't fit a smartphone on your keychain
(trilema) nubbins`: and we know how people feel about cute things
(trilema) nubbins`: it's just that having a hardware version would be cute
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, it could just as easily be implemented in a static web page with a couple lines of javascript
(trilema) nubbins`: well, easy for you to say
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, you'd have a hard time convincing someone with the know-how to get on board without already being stacked with cash
(trilema) nubbins`: problem is, you try to IPO the idea, and someone with hardware know-how just implements the idea before you get everything in place
(trilema) nubbins`: and instead people are fucking with usb cables
(trilema) nubbins`: it's so simple that i'm surprised it hasn't been done already
(trilema) nubbins`: oh, i've got it all figured out, and it's brilliantly simple. i just don't have any contacts with the hardware know-how.
(trilema) nubbins`: no need for usb cables or any of that risky shit
(trilema) nubbins`: and you could make hardware wallets WAY less complicated than the trezor
(trilema) nubbins`: but those e-ink displays are cheap
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah, just saw that, coincidentally
(trilema) nubbins`: geocities is gone, right?
(trilema) nubbins`: spend 20 minutes making a website
(trilema) nubbins`: i've got some ideas about an e-ink based hardware wallet that i haven't fully thought through, maybe i could collect 600 BTC in an ipo as well
(trilema) nubbins`: well, i'm not sure how much learning takes place
(trilema) nubbins`: it's gotta suck to buy ipo shares and see them being traded at 0.6x par three days later
(trilema) nubbins`: man, deal coin is all over the place
(trilema) nubbins`: smash a stone tablet or something
(trilema) nubbins`: as if we're supposed to gasp and point
(trilema) nubbins`: <fractal_> nubbins`: yes, but Luke-Jr cares, because he passes judgement on others and ignores his own sins....
(trilema) nubbins`: honestly, young adults these days
(trilema) nubbins`: no, don't go
(trilema) nubbins`: fractal_: okay, lovely, but why do you tell me this?
(trilema) nubbins`: i don't give a red fuck if someone's "corrupted by money" or what their morals are
(trilema) nubbins`: fractal_: i don't care and that's not relevant. who taught you how to argue?
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