Vexual: Luke-Jr: Is it the current one that really annoyed you?
Adlai thinks people who think they aren't deluded need to be a bit more diplomatic about their opinions
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr i think you need to shut the fuck up about this god delusion you keep having
Luke-Jr: Adlai: the become pope, one must first be a Catholic; the antipopes in Rome aren't Catholic
Adlai: have you personally verified the burned ballots of each cardinal?
Adlai: maybe the vatican has been a fraud for more than 60 years
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: Christians have a responsibility to learn the Faith, and are guilty if deceived by their own neglegence
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: no Catholic churches today follow the antipopes; those who do follow the antipopes and attend his churches are at risk of being damned, yes (though as Adlai infers, their culpability depends)
Adlai hasn't discussed theology in a long time, and it's usually with jews
Adlai: assuming that, had the deception not occurred, you'd have bene OK
Adlai: I'm just curious at what point one person decides that the mere word of another person is gospel
Luke-Jr: Adlai: there hasn't been a pope in 60 years, don't let the fraud controlling the Vatican deceive you
Adlai is genuinely curious and has very few opinions on the matter
Adlai: Luke-Jr: the question still stands. how does humanity pick a monarch, or conclude that a currently serving (because it's both a privilege and a duty) monarch is incompetent, and find a better replacement?
Luke-Jr: misrepresenting the truth (aka lying) is a tell-tale sign of trolling
Luke-Jr: undata: but I guess you might think so, if you believe the trolls claims
Luke-Jr: undata: not in the slightest.
undata: Luke-Jr: it subverts the very *idea* of bitcoin.
Adlai: what criterea would you expect a monarch to use when picking a successor? how can they tell whether their trusted advisor is more worthy than their firstborn, or sift through private sector candidates?
Luke-Jr: Adlai: once it's going, though, the current monarch should be qualified to pick/raise his successor
thestringpuller: Adlai: I thought monarchs were chosen by the gods
Adlai: plural, because they will likely get assasinated, by disgruntled humans or ebola
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-12-2014#954794 << difficult to tell, not knowing what exactly they are
Luke-Jr: davout: no, they aren't even heretics
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: oh is that just the mock?
undata: personally there's not a smart-watch manufacturer out there whose OS security I'd trust with my coin
fluffypony: undata: to quote the man of the hour - "[21:40:47] <+Luke-Jr>it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod"
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: you're missing Luke-Jr's point. in 20 years time he's going to simply have more aggressive anti-spam checks so that the blockchain can fit on his smart watch.
ben_vulpes: this attitude has lead to all sorts of braindamage hard-coded in the source, like your commit introducing lock configuration into the mainline client.
ben_vulpes: "it's easier to hard code configuration into the source than read it as configuration at runtime"
Luke-Jr: if they want to customise it
Luke-Jr: I guess you could build the array at startup, but it's not really much easier to modify bitcoin.conf than to modify the patch
ben_vulpes: "it's too hard to do things correctly, so i'm just going to ram my idiocy into the codebase"
ben_vulpes: instead of the code?
ben_vulpes: just doesn't relay the transaction?
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: basically all it does is stop your node from participating in the spam
ben_vulpes: how exactly do these blacklists work? if a miner processes a transaction with a "banned" address - what then?
fluffypony: I use them on my GoPro H4's just fine
fluffypony: can't help you if you're poor, although there's always SPV clients for people like you
mats: ill add this to the list of irrational things you believe in
Luke-Jr: it doesn't fit on my phone even with the biggest uSD card available, you insensitive clod
mats: well there you have it.
jurov: i really don't get the whining
jurov: but Luke-Jr insists on pretending there's bottlenecks so he can continue with his powertrip
mats: storage isn't the bottleneck, and it isn't the concern that's keeping anyone from operating a full node
Luke-Jr: yes, let's pretend storage is the bottleneck so we can make it seem trivial.
mats: whats the cost per gigabyte of HDD storage? 0.05USD?
mike_c: if 30gb is a blocker how long would they have run a node anyway?
Luke-Jr: mats: you're aware 20 GB of the blockchain's 30 GB is spam?
mats: explain how anyone is inconvenienced by 'spam in the blockchain'
Luke-Jr: mats: sticking your fingers in your ears and pretending there is no problem, doesn't help anyone
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zt6nge )
mats: there isn't a problem, you've contrived a solution to something that doesn't exist and doesn't matter
Luke-Jr: heck, even I wish there was a better solution
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: You are a needle inside of a haystack, inside of another haystack full of needles
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: new haven has some of the best pizza ever
thestringpuller: i yearn for the day I can return
thestringpuller: I lived in Windsor until I was 2 then we moved away.
BingoBoingo: Appear qntra has the English language scoop
thestringpuller: i think the term is `retirement`
mircea_popescu: prolly see each other again sporadically until 2015
assbot: NASA’s $349 million monument to its drift | The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zmJbl7 )
mats: the thoroughput is amazing
gribble: Thunderbolt Technology Community: <https://thunderbolttechnology.net/>; Apple - Thunderbolt: Next-generation high-speed I/O technology.: <https://www.apple.com/thunderbolt/>; Thunderbolt (interface) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunderbolt_(interface)>
thestringpuller: what's that new port they are putting in laptops...
mats: i tried to find docs on Thunderbolt on the internets but after comparing notes with other people, they're still under NDA
mats: mindshare has other cool things about AGP, PCI, PCIe, USB, SATA, ...
BingoBoingo: Ah, firewire. Another example of a toy standard accidentaly'ing its way to "professional" standard.
asciilifeform: we've neither on this campus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even in the medical and law libraries?
asciilifeform: i'm told that scarcely anyone read them in dead tree.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they had paper journals as recently as two years ago. but now zapped.
asciilifeform: interestingly, spy cameras are no longer necessary there. they've installed public 'face-up' scanners that go straight from dead tree to jpeg on usb drive, gratis
BingoBoingo: And not for the general library
mats: aren't there handheld scanners that'd resolve this for you?
asciilifeform: when i look for a specific archival piece, i have contacts who can get it. just takes time. the point of full access is: idle browsing.
BingoBoingo: Ah, they don't pro-rate for part time?
BingoBoingo: There's got to be single credit hour courses somewhere to audit.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the game is not worth the candles at roughly 8k usd/yr. for buying access to e-journals in this way.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they'll cover basic welding, yes. art school here even has own scrapyard.
BingoBoingo: Focus on 18th century state of the art casting and blacksmithing
BingoBoingo was suspecting more along the lines of metalworking.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform the painter
BingoBoingo: It might be time to audit the art classes.
assbot: Logged on 13-12-2014 22:32:17; asciilifeform: speaking of my rotten old uni, i'm no longer permitted to read the electronic journals for any amount of money
BingoBoingo: Handle Turd studio X15, Chapter 9, Turdthenware
BingoBoingo: It's hard to think much of a library that would have as part of its collection and the like ISBN-13: 978-0672313004
asciilifeform: me and want the criminals stopped and punished.' (mr. o)
asciilifeform: 'While most regular Russians go to Sberbank to pay their utility bills and municipal fees, a few highly irregular Russians (and a few foreigners among them) go to Sberbank to sit in posh offices in front of trading terminals and gamble away the regular Russians' savings. The regular Russians are rather upset about this state of affairs, and 70% of them state in opinion polls that they consider currency manipulation to be a cri
BingoBoingo: Not Xerox copies, but bad faith imitators of the book form.
BingoBoingo: They have, but even before then were decaying as books were replaced by crappy fascimiles of books.
asciilifeform: i'm told they threw out the books in many places, in favour of rows upon rows of winblows terminals, public 3d printer stalls, etc.
BingoBoingo: Well many small towns maintain libraries gifted in another act of monopolist largesse, but similarly the handling of those gifts has decayed in a cargo-cult manner.
asciilifeform: quite arguably, both were largesse of monopolists, and died with the monopolies.
asciilifeform: went to the same hell as bell labs.
BingoBoingo: If only Xerox had enough crazy to venture beyond the paper business with any conviction.
asciilifeform: interestingly, there is a xerox lisp machine emulator for msdos, of all things, 'medley.' i have never located a copy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there were other interesting lisps of the period - xerox's 'interlisp' (and its environment) being perhaps the most noteworthy
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: pre-dated the ansi standard effort
jurov amusingly notices the hate on python and waits for google to eventually, but inevitably release incompatible go update
davout: thestringpuller: there's nothing wrong in itself with js, its using it in a browser that sounds a bit weird
thestringpuller: the other power rangers I do not know. But jgarzik definitely publicly stated he'd like to see a GPG-like implementation in pure JS, which is mind boggling for a supposed intelligent person to say.
mats: perhaps i'm giving him too much credit but i get the impression he's an intelligent guy and knows hes doing dumb shit
mats: maybe its more insidious than we know, what if he was caught selling methamphetamine on the side when he was broke and is now enslaved by an agent?
thestringpuller: no one wants to abdicate their imaginary throne.
mats: bend the knee already. you know you're wrong.
mats: anarchist types are rare enough, and this overlap with people that understand the technical aspects of bitcoin are even fewer
thestringpuller: cazalla: Luke-Jr strikes again! The power rangers have to burn cash to survive it seems.
cazalla: any woman wearing a hajib who is scared for her life can find someone tweeting that to ride on the train safely with, that's the idea anyway
mats: why the islamophobia
cazalla: they have all converted to infrared ovens yet persist with advertising themselves as charcoal chicken
cazalla: as for chicken shops.. you cannot find a single legitimate charchoal chicken shop anywhere here these days
assbot: MagicalBux comments on Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlM1qs )
mats: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2pfgjg/exposed_lukejr_plans_on_forcing_blacklists_on_all/cmwg5an >> 'i can't be bothered to read the notes'
cazalla: nah, died on the vine
mircea_popescu: but then you got high ?
cazalla: bbq chicken, burgers, salads.. no-one will pay for quality, or not enough people to warrant it and the long hours
cazalla: hosting an early xmas luncheon tmw, my contribution is the best potato salad in ze world, beetroot relish to go with cheeses and rocket dip, the rocket i grow myself
assbot: Exposed: Luke-Jr plans on forcing blacklists on all Gentoo bitcoin users by default, for the second time : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zlqr5s )
cazalla: looks like Luke-Jr upset the redditors
fluffypony: they all come from Vulgar Latin
Vexual: i can't read italian: ill just have the spaghetti
Vexual: is it careful about how fast the ssd dies?
BingoBoingo: That benchmark was done by the phoronix guy who has pretty much been full Pettering since the pulse audio suck
BingoBoingo: Well Note that Debian/kFreeBSD's one truly poor area of performance is Disk operations and their disk ran off of an external enclosure while the Debian/linux SSD ran off of... Sata
Vexual: well storage is different, but i don't know the descriptors, so i cant say how
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, jsut compare the hardware specs on the test rigs. Notice anything that doesn't match?
BingoBoingo: Well, these things happen
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Vexual: heck, i'll even chip in for the prize
Vexual: as long as it doesn't go into the whiskey
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Tits are real. Just wait until mircea_popescu replaces flouride in the water with risperidone
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I've been trying to get my mechanical engineering student brother on the LISP train (dentist brother needs no guidance) and I'm giving my paper copy of land of LISP to degernerate cousin's kids. God bless warez.
decimation: I think van Rossum works there
decimation: yeah I think they were mostly a python shop
ben_vulpes: decimation: i may have mis-discovered my history but wasn't the steel behind python largely google before they created "Go"?
decimation: then you are in google's hands
ben_vulpes: i shudder at the mention, but perhaps i'll end up "Go"ing
ben_vulpes: yeah how do i roll greenarrays into the thing
ben_vulpes: clojure takes 30s to boot and so is utterly unusable for operations stuff. common lisp is...well, unpalatable to client operations staff. bash is not up to the task. python's right out, along with the *js crowd.
ben_vulpes: the last thing i see happening is me getting excited about using a language for infrastructure automation.
decimation: you mean the threading module?
asciilifeform: afaik everyone able to stomach perl is already using it. and the users know who each other are. kinda like coprophagiacs.
ben_vulpes: python's basically dead in the water ("which python", to quote alf)
ben_vulpes: you and mod6 with the perl
ben_vulpes: but it's pretty lacking in terms of mutating the cluster in place, and not the most pleasant of things to work in being written mostly in bash.
mircea_popescu: mats im not so convinced of that theory.
asciilifeform: mats: dedicated gadget is sold for the purpose. even comes with a bottle of (spray) freon.
BingoBoingo: Basically they want to run a USD to USD dice game
mats: BingoBoingo: bummer. its been p quiet, those links were the most interesting things in two days
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There were parts where maybe I believe, but yeah the string of inconsistent broke people kinda kills the thing as a movement.
mats: hes so fatherly n could never be a predator?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude i so don't believe the recent cosby dirt...
mats: the guy talks a lot without much substance and im not inclined to believe his claims at any rate
BingoBoingo: mats: And Bill Cosby claimed he was a clean cut saint who wasn't in it for the pussy.
ben_vulpes: the same
mircea_popescu: is that the scammer guy that kept spamming here ?
undata: you know technically one can climb in either direction
BingoBoingo: And Bitcoin climbs, the dollars simply does not yet know!
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asciilifeform: (go leave, e.g., rifle, outdoors for a decade. then fire.)
asciilifeform: on the field - sensors.
asciilifeform: (far away from the field)
decimation: I think mr. mold made this point - once you have laid the minefield, it's an easy step to the laser-turrets
ben_vulpes: i always enjoy derpettes humiliating themselves on camera.
asciilifeform: you want them everywhere, and sans metal
assbot: Fortifications of the inner German border - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1AftR88 )
decimation: asciilifeform: the SM-70 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortifications_of_the_inner_German_border#mediaviewer/File:Sm-70_schlagsdorf.jpg
asciilifeform: unlike the ancient egyptians, modern man does not have to content himself with curses to keep pests out of monuments
decimation: asciilifeform: but some of them might have been making an idiotic political statement!
asciilifeform: if peru wants to preserve the line drawings, easy pill:
asciilifeform: nothing really new here. recall the millenia of idiots who separated everything that 'was poorly glued down' from the pyramids, etc.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> next they'll smash something notable on purpose. << Locally "preservation Engineers" have done exactly this with "Monks Mound" Thing is just a pile of dirt long lived with stable shape. Engineers come in and in their interventions invent "slumping" A scourge the caused and insist only they can solve for the grant dollars.
decimation: they posted a video of themselves performing the act on youtube, you can clearly see them standing inches from the lines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_yk6WlpFyo
asciilifeform: employed by the university << where i live, it gets you (above a certain rank) free tuition. so plenty of takers. but this is a different animal from earlier picture.
asciilifeform: next they'll smash something notable on purpose.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my first stint as a Teaching Assistant I had Late 40's grad students. Retired military or house wives getting almost always already employed by the university looking for their second or third career
decimation: that was pretty much their original 'apology' and peru said 'fuck you'
decimation: peru is going to throw the idiots in peruvian jail
decimation: they went to put a sign on the ground near ancient drawings in a desert, to protest the desecration of climate change, and they descrated the lines in the process
decimation: it's pretty much the same deal as your idiot-'academic'-woman stereotype
asciilifeform: (they exist! everyone remembers the 19th c. 'eternal students', who were bequeathed a certain income to live on -while students- by rich family, and so stretched out study for decades - today, it's loan deferment.)
decimation: did we link to the greenpeace idiots in peru?
mircea_popescu: decimation basically, in the 90s the typical aimless, 30something undergrad was perfectly typified by tom green in roadtrip
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mircea_popescu: ;;google "but i used the juice"
mircea_popescu: they can have wireless and we can all be like little fonzies.
mircea_popescu: you know what i'd really go for ? happy thursdays or something, wherein participating bars/coffee shops all over the world give free drinks to people in the b-a wot.
ben_vulpes: the well?
ben_vulpes: may as well invite The Well, PeterL
PeterL: Reason does have some good commentors, they would fit in well here
mircea_popescu: "Remember: anything a prog/leftist/SJW accuses others of doing, they always are guilty of themselves. Always. And that's why they can't see the contradiction here. Because the projection is a defense mechanism. They can't see the contradiction without realizing some very nasty truths about themselves."
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to admire the stunningly poor opsec.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck else imagines "nobody likes you" is a valid attack lmao
mircea_popescu: That was the end of the storyuntil last week, when The College Fix reported that Mahmood's off-campus apartment was vandalized. The four criminals wore hoods and baggy clothing to disguise themselves; less brilliantly, they changed in full view of the apartment complex's security camera. They appear to be women of unclear ages. The video footage is available here.
BingoBoingo: Good for them
BingoBoingo: At the time Artillery was cooler than fighter Jets ever were, or John McCain's shit eating grin would be on signs as far south as Rio
asciilifeform: 16th c. trigonometers did not have to beg folks to agree. they were fought over by the chiefs of their time, because artillery.
mircea_popescu: equalitarianism is a pipe dream, whether it calls itself democracy, socialism or anything else. hierarchy is both good and indispensable. this is factually correct, which means it's practically falsifiable and scientifically approacheable.
asciilifeform: i've no idea why he did it. for all i know, 'they' threatened to feed his children to shoggoths if he refrained.
asciilifeform: the important takeaway from the earlier thread is that 'democracy is mistake, hierarchy is useful concept' is a testable hypothesis with immediate engineering applications.