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mod6: This month I've been doing testing with the patched version of the reference implementation. Main object here is to get from genesis block to current block, while being able to get past the wedge block 252450. I was able to do that, but not only did we test with ascii's patches and ben's UPNP patch, I added a patch (http://dpaste.com/1G3XY64) that removes the checkpoints, and a patch (http://dpaste.com/1K5M2TN) to configure BDB so the R.I. won't
danielpbarron: i guess it depends on what the marriage contract says
danielpbarron: the male should already have been free to "roam"
keystroke: but the male in a polyamorous relationship can be free to roam as well
keystroke: anyway apologies for interrupting the conversation which i can only hope was about orgies
keystroke: why marry them?
jurov: good for you, no prob with polygamy then
keystroke: ah we can discuss the epistemology of personal identity
danielpbarron: Soloman's error was that his wives were not believers, and they led him to worship false idols
danielpbarron: fluffypony, nearly all the prominant male figures throughout the Bible had harems of wives and slave wives, and God never scolded them for it
fluffypony: danielpbarron: so then show me the contrast - where in the Bible does it explicitly allow polygamy?
danielpbarron: that passage is about how a husband owns his wife and a wife owns her husband, and that neither may refuse sex
fluffypony: the Bible also states that any married man in the congregation who is given special responsibilities must be "a husband of one wife."—1 Timothy 3:2, 12
fluffypony: the Apostle Paul (one of Jesus' disciples) was later inspired by God to write: "Let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband." (in 1 Corinthians 7:2)
fluffypony: also when asked about marriage, Jesus said: "He who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh.'"—Matthew 19:4, 5
fluffypony: then in John 8:28 Jesus Christ reinstituted God's original standard of monogamy
jurov: danielpbarron: he expressly mentions he gave them certain laws previously because their hearts were hard...
fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam.
danielpbarron: fluffypony, show me the scripture that says it isn't allowed
ben_vulpes: oh god not with the sky fairies again
fluffypony: but not in the "new testament"
danielpbarron: jurov, Jesus is the God of the old testement, the same God that gave the law to Moses
assbot: THE LOG DAILY REPORT ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2vW3G )
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> RagnarDanneskjol: Nice site http://thelogdailyreport.com/ << who is this?
fluffypony: [21:42:07] <+danielpbarron>it doesn't condemn having multiple wives either <- that's not true
danielpbarron: Jesus is the Word (scripture)
jurov: i'm certain it ended up in scripture (at least greek one) because it was controversial even then
jurov: jesus should say so, then
danielpbarron: the Bible doesn't condemn having slaves or slave wives
jurov: ofc the bigots mistranslated it as "slave"
danielpbarron: it doesn't condemn having multiple wives either, so lots of fun should be possible
jurov: We believe Scriputure does not condemn masturbation. Although it is typically done in wickedness (Matthew 15:19 "evil thoughts"), it can be done in godliness (Titus 1:15). yay
jurov: i want to get the bible implant
jurov: danielpbarron: who does these implants?
jurov: Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
punkman: do the words taste like chicken?
mats: theres a lot of words on that page
mats: tasted like chicken and other things
jurov: and if god is catholic, then you inevitably end up in purgatory
mats: you end up in cheese whiz heaven rather than nutella heaven
punkman: non-denominational is like the cheez whiz of religion
mats: is there a tiered system?
mats: the non denominational kind
mats: tell my mother i converted to christianity in my last moments
jurov: the next doge !!!1
punkman: I was just going by the title
mats: as the link says, the franc is perceived to be overvalued
punkman: around the time they decided to fix eur/chf?
punkman: when did the swiss get so retarded?
assbot: Central bank imposes negative interest rates - The Local ... ( http://bit.ly/1v4yTRl )
jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since
empyex: thestringpuller: [X.IDIFF.DEC] Asks:
empyex: thestringpuller: [X.IDIFF.DEC] Bids:
empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=194 Or use a valid MPSIC!
mats: they're quotes from Dead Man
mike_c: well, an official announcement of the settlement price is useful because it determines the cap on the next quarter.
jurov: even if none traded, ther should be monthly report
davout: jurov: are the x.diffs even still traded?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: when these companies burn all their cash they'll need more money
jurov: they can parade some crippled ripple-like stuff and call it launch anyway
jurov: "Ethereum launches in about 2 weeks"
thestringpuller: no bet for ethereum launch date yet...
BingoBoingo: Or has GAW been abusing the word launch again
ikeboy: well, then you should bet at infinite odds against them being honest
mike_c: there is a 0% chance of gaw being honest. I guess you're betting on when they decide to start running, but the time before that is not known as "being honest"
ikeboy: BingoBoingo:I think there's a >50% chance of gaw staying honest for at least the next 2 weeks, and someone else thought the odds were >1%, so i propossed a bet
ikeboy: bingoBoingo: which price projection do you mean? do you want the source that they are claiming to support it at $20?
BingoBoingo: ikeboy: I think the first actual paycoin already happened for a single coin at around $22 soon after the chain launched. Seems like an incredibly small sample size.
ikeboy: what do you mean? Paycoin is supposed to launch at $20 dollars before then
rithm: ikeboy is trying to get his hands on all the paycoin he can
gribble: User 'ikeboy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 19gUMpL3VrJzVYbbAx1PktNk3Pfnm7h3jx, registered on Wed Dec 17 16:26:13 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 16:26:13 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=ikeboy . Currently not authenticated.
ikeboy: ah, you're right, I had misworded that. I was originally writing it in dollars, then decided to switch to btc and messed up the editing
BingoBoingo: I would totally charter a seat on the top deck of a tank for a scenic tour of wine country.
lobbes: nice. How much do internets go for these days?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> grease everywhere, weird black ooze dripping out of the engine << Also a plague of civilian vehicles
asciilifeform: to some extent same goes for tank and other picturesque instruments of modern war
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Here we also get tractors on the highways. SOunds like a grand time.
Adlai: grease everywhere, weird black ooze dripping out of the engine
Adlai: not quite tanks, but i wouldn't want at home the things i'm familiar with, and they're less trouble than tanks
gribble: adlai was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <adlai> (not there yet, but looks like it's on its way)
thestringpuller: yea there are rocket tanks
BingoBoingo: Also can't just fill up the fighter jet at the local 7-11
BingoBoingo: I'd encourage kids to key the tank, watch the weenies with their lesser vehicles squirm that the kids might go on to their vehicles
mats: imagine being the guy who had to design that
mats: TIL there is a PostScript ASIC
mats: you'll finally have the biggest dick at the car show
mats: shoot my own version of the Tank Man
BingoBoingo: Shame they have to demil the gun
BingoBoingo: I don't think Russia would switch over at least until the USMS auctions are over.
mike_c: hehe. "Switching Russia completely over to Bitcoin will not happen over night. However with smart phones the process should take about a month."
thestringpuller: so yea i guess if NSA bankrolls them, then they can survive
thestringpuller: but I did the math a while back with mike_c 's advice and the best case scenario is like < 10k a year revenue
rithm: thestringpuller changetip is a nsa tracking op obv
mats: its more likely the incentive was economic rather than political imo
assbot: Why the Sony hack is unlikely to be the work of North Korea. | Marc's Security Ramblings ... ( http://bit.ly/1z89JYt )
thestringpuller: "if you want the price to go up stop spending your fucking coins"
assbot: 'It shocks the conscience' - N.J. man unable to use arms remains jailed for 4 months on gun charge | NJ.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1uWnQc4 )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-press-forever-derpy/
assbot: Cemetery with one MILLION mummies unearthed in Egypt | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1J8oPQS )
mircea_popescu: more of the "if i call this something else it won't be this anymore" ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, sweating the price even on hols eh
davout: the most interesting part is basically that only the losses seem to be lodged under the mtgox corporate entity
cazalla: won't be long until majority of young people wake up and realise they're wasting their time working and paying tax to support eldery people who get huge welfare yet own everything
cazalla: well, ya get the aged pension yet? if not, young i guess
assbot: The wealth of generations | Grattan Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2wvuz )
cazalla: Vexual, http://grattan.edu.au/report/the-wealth-of-generations/ ya should read it, even if ya don't, having asians as token australian image really sums it up
cazalla: not sure outdated is the right word, what my parents did wouldn't fly these days
assbot: THE LOG DAILY REPORT ... ( http://bit.ly/1v2vW3G )
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Nice site http://thelogdailyreport.com/
Vexual: you think they might put the bank rate up?
cazalla: concern of the report is diminishing amount of people to tax, young people work more and more and yet won't ever own their own home and that this unspoken agreement that we pay for the eldery so that the young pay for us when old is going to break down
cazalla: didya read that wealth of generations report that came out? first time in our history that .au citizens take more from the gov than they contribute
Vexual: if it all goes wrong ill be catching lemon sharks and selling the fins
Vexual: woodsides buying up all the us failings, chinas buying aussie goodness, it'll all work out
Vexual: i think we're sitting pretty for the economy to solve
cazalla: mebe they'll introduce a new time of mining tax
BingoBoingo: !up themediator
cazalla: how can they run out, just print more
Vexual: these libereals are filing hard
Vexual: people star running outta centrelink, the cannbis laws wont matter a pinch of shut
cazalla: i don't think it matters who holds them
Vexual: depends whos holding the reigns i guess
cazalla: dunno, i imagine they'll allow it in due time for tax rev, god knows they'll need new sources
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nobody. We have so much less than we used to have. We are in the future and the future is a nightmare.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol, so much price masturbation. So much "this is what we have now basically" when now they get even less.
Luke-Jr: (I didn't ask what the other thing he considered controversial was, sorry)
Luke-Jr: someone on reddit complained that I should only do 1 controversial thing at a time, implying there is something else you can FUD about already if you want to
Luke-Jr: undata: the only one lying here is you
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No... If I get the time though I might have to visit eBay...
danielpbarron: 12:07 <+Luke-Jr> danielpbarron: "spam" and "fee" have no direct relationship << yes they do. if I spend an old output, no fee required; i spend a new output with no fee, tx doesn't get spread
Luke-Jr: [05:04:25] <Luke-Jr> undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
undata: you are the sole decider re: blacklisting, and you should be trusted
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://imgur.com/gallery/9GHhlyW << own any of these ?
undata: Luke-Jr: any child could draw the conclusions I am from what you've said
Luke-Jr: undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
ben_vulpes: "at the current time"
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: lol, most of us are opposed to larger block sizes at the current time.
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: actually, the "core devs" are trying to push all sorts of dumb shit on people. larger block sizes are on that list.
Luke-Jr: defaulting to the reference policy is also a default. are you going to claim it's "core devs" pushing that on people?
Luke-Jr: undata: there you go putting words in my mouth again
undata: you think it's sensible for you to say who does and does not transact on the blockchain
ben_vulpes: how is that not pushing your opinions on the MO of bitcoin onto gentoo users?
Luke-Jr: and most of the users happen to agree
Luke-Jr: the "core devs" don't even want to.
undata: folks we've got a decider in the house.
Luke-Jr: the maintainer of the package always decides what is a sensible default.
undata: you decided your patch was a sensible default, though the "core devs" did not
Luke-Jr: yes, and they're still defaults
Luke-Jr: then you know almost everything gets patched
undata: "here's the package in good faith that it's what the writers did"
undata: which is the expectation of what a *maintainer* does
ben_vulpes: except he doesn't have the courtesy to keep his braindamage on his own machines.
danielpbarron: he doesn't have the right or ability to effect such a change; that's not the issue
BingoBoingo: Luke-Jr: Paying for a transaction is literally the definition of not spam.
undata: Luke-Jr: you are avoiding addressing the deeper question of whether *you* have the right to decide for the whole network what constitutes spam
BingoBoingo: How is it spam if they pay tx fees?
danielpbarron: "filling??" when was the last time there was a full block?
ben_vulpes: please, at least, link to the point in the log where you explained how these small transactions are a ddos.
Luke-Jr: it denies service, by filling the blockchain with garbage
Luke-Jr: it's distributed, by using gambling as a front to get others to cover the expense
danielpbarron: the compromised hosts are victims too
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: the gambling front is just a way to get someone else paying the cost of bypassing Bitcoin's primary spam prevention (tx fees)
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: they're not the victims
danielpbarron: a DDoS in which the victims are compelled to... gamble?
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the miners are happily incorporating the 'spam' into blocks.
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: who said Bitcoin was doomed? Bitcoin has this nice system of miners to address the spam problem.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: given that you have admitted to lacking a backup plan when they start switching addrs
Luke-Jr: it's a DDoS, except at the Bitcoin layer rather than TCP
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: let's posit that this is so. then why do you bother, if bitcoin is doomed ?
Luke-Jr: the "game" is just a tool they use to involve others
undata: Luke-Jr: they're terrorists eh?
Luke-Jr: asciilifeform: they're not games, they're attacks on Bitcoin
Luke-Jr: ben_vulpes: heh, some of them came out and said "stop us" when confronted - so …
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the people who play the dice games aren't people ?
Luke-Jr: I am on the defensive, not the offensive.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: iirc the answer was 'la la can't hear you'
undata: another slogan "arms race"
ben_vulpes: but imposed on the rest of the world...
undata: ^ this is a mind which has touched the holy source
undata: Luke-Jr: your argument reduces to "save the children"
Luke-Jr: I have no obligation to donate my CPU time and bandwidth to someone period, whether they are harming me or not.
ben_vulpes: kinda misses the entire point of the tcp protocol, where one just routes packets.
undata: read the article, consider the blacklisting thing in bitcoin
assbot: Sony leaks reveal Hollywood is trying to break DNS, the backbone of the internet | The Verge ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJwJKi )
undata: thestringpuller: "We stand by our filmmakers and their right to free expression and are extremely disappointed by this outcome." << what is this doublespeak where they 'stand by their filmmakers' while scrapping the film?
TomServo: Nah, you can just grab the torrent when 'GOP' release their 'christmas surprise' :P
thestringpuller: scoopbot don't have the scoop?
keystroke: nothing like the old f00f c7c8 intel bug
kakobrekla: ;;rate keystrike 1 for the purpose of #b-a voice
keystroke: i reregged as keystrike as i figure the keystroke identity can't be proven anymore as i never registered with pgp and that address is not accessible at this location
keystroke: numismatic value to the coin
keystroke: yea the idea is to establish trust by trading anyway
gribble: User 'keystrike', with keyid CCCD74D054734EC6, fingerprint 282E81F4CB3F454E8C40F95ECCCD74D054734EC6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014, last authed on Wed Dec 17 15:18:15 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystrike . Currently authenticated from hostmask keystroke!~keystroke@unaffiliated/keystroke . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
keystroke: but i think the main idea is to prove generation keys anyway as the idea is to establish an early position rather than a certain size of bitcoin holdings which is ideally kept mostly private
keystroke: well by signing with both keys you can prove you held the keys when they were generated and currently control them
kakobrekla: then you cant really prove anything about those coins.
keystroke: but i control all of the keys
kakobrekla: are those coins still sitting on the same address they were mined on?
joecool: as you wish, though you won't be able to corroborate your story of registering and being in the community early on if you do that, if that matters to you at all
keystroke: i never delete private keys but that wallet is in cold storage so i will just recreate with a different identity and start anew as the old one never had any reputation anyway :)
joecool: only a btc addr, so provided you still control the private key for that address, you should be able to auth
keystroke: i suppose i can auth by signing a message with the private key of that bitcoin address?
gribble: User 'keystroke', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1o1BcShERS9B7nqfc9aGb7C3ns7gcicBn, registered on Sat Oct 6 11:50:59 2012, last authed on Sat Oct 6 08:53:40 2012. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=keystroke . Currently not authenticated.
keystroke: just for the general fun of supporting the cryptoanarchist ethos ;)
keystroke: i was checking MP's blog and thought i should come here to get into the WoT as i thought i had registered back in the day but never made any transactions
keystroke: mined back in 2009 for a bit and then from 2011 to late 2012
keystroke: ah at the moment i am traveling in india
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=joecool&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user keystroke: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=keystroke | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=keystroke | Rated since: never
keystroke: now if only my WoT pgp key was not on another continent...
joecool: undata: you just don't get the Tonal System do you
Luke-Jr: there are no negative consequences.
Luke-Jr: obviously. you'd rather make them up, than give a crap what they really are.
undata: it's the obvious consequences of your actions that are in question
Luke-Jr: reasoned opposition is one thing. trolling by making bogus FUD and claims of my intentions is another.
joecool: asciilifeform: oh not the only one, just the one maintaining these ebuilds
asciilifeform: joecool: the one remaining gentoo man?
Luke-Jr: undata: not nearly as many as the Gentoo folks who encouraged it
undata: other gentoo folks bopped him on the head for trying to slime it in as default enabled
joecool: asciilifeform: he is the gentoo maintainer
Luke-Jr: undata: then disable it
asciilifeform: the real fools are the gentoo mainainers, for not chucking this crud out.
undata: you are precisely the kind of dull mind I want nowhere near my money.
undata: ... "the plan has been established" << this is the passive-voice of banal evil
Luke-Jr: I didn't try to sneak anything in, the plan has been clearly published for months, and ensures nobody ever receives them without being aware
undata: then why are you fucking up gentoo for gentoo users like myself?
Luke-Jr: undata: I would reject them myself if anyone ever proposed merging to mainline
undata: if not, explain why you tried to sneak them in by using your position as gentoo maintainer
assbot: CoolReaper Backdoor Found On CoolPad Android Mobile Devices | Threatpost | The first stop for security news ... ( http://bit.ly/1wM61QQ )
undata: Luke-Jr: having read the threads on the gentoo bug tracker, you are confirmed as a slimy piece of shit.
punkman: "Derived from the Ethereum protocol" because you can derive things from vaporware
xanthyos: is that estimated percent change in difficulty in proportion to the price shift?
assbot: GnuPG Finanzierung Thema im Bundestag on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1BZrRCf )
assbot: The GNU Privacy Guard ... ( http://bit.ly/1sAtW1H )
kakobrekla: this is a good one, gets it in the fukin eye http://www.japanesebugfights.com/11.htm
kakobrekla: aha the wasp danced him do death
mats: the wasp wins, actually
mats: there's one where a scorpion lookin thing flips a wasp, pins it, and then kills it by eating his butt
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