punkman: you can ship TB drives to datacenter, then do incrementals
cazalla: works here in australia too austeritysucks although a lot of people report otherwise
austeritysucks: "At this time, bank accounts and credit cards from your country cannot be linked to Circle. Our apologies for the inconvenience. " :(
cazalla: well, as punkman said, circle.. refer your customers there to get btc instead of paypal
austeritysucks: to use the exchange at all
austeritysucks: cazalla, and theres already many options for ppl to go btc to cash, that's not my concern.
austeritysucks: cazalla, yes that is what the focus is
austeritysucks: but i try my best to encourage people, set them up a hotwallet, shoot them $1 in btc or something ,and get their lips wet
cazalla: maybe think a little further down the road and think of people wanting to cash out items to bitcoin instead of cash
austeritysucks: because i think if at least the key:btc exchange works with 1 steam bot then it will be easy to expand nad once expanded people will adopt BTC for the purpose of being able to cahs out to real money so drama-free
austeritysucks: but for now i want to get the steam bot C# code working and then the front-end listings/btc purchase php stuff
punkman: they are kinda retarded
cazalla: i don't really give two shits if circle gets carded to death, i can buy with my own cc in the meantime
cazalla: but that is not the buyer's problem
austeritysucks: the minute there is any place that allows for simple cc buy of btc you will have lots of stolen cc's using the service to get btc
austeritysucks: cazalla, not with the way most people make such payments (cc)
austeritysucks: BTC->fiat again for the seller)
austeritysucks: cazalla, the majority of people prefer paypal over bitcoin in the community unfortuantely, so the big issue is getting people to adopt bitcoin, i was suggesting that an easy way to promote adoption is to get people to be removed from the btc payment mechanism and have a userfirendl front end that is like using CC, but behind the scenes iti s buying BTC, transferring BTC (and maybe even
punkman: austeritysucks: https://www.payza.com/ this lets you receive CC payments and withdraw BTC, don't know anyone that uses them though
cazalla: i don't follow, how does that bother me if i already have bitcoin and i want to buy/sell butterfly knives?
austeritysucks: but so many people will avoid using it because they can't acquire btc without bank transfer etc
austeritysucks: no its the visa/mastercard monopoly
cazalla: i'm sure there are some kids who during bored summer holidays will figure out how to get bitcoin and buy/sell habbo items and shit like that
austeritysucks: which is exactly how the monopolists want it
austeritysucks: there needs to be a reverse-bitpay :P
austeritysucks: unfortunately credit cards all have chargeback, and until people can acquire bitcoins with creditcards at point of sale to remove the buyer from the "confusion" of the payment mechanism
austeritysucks: yea a charge-back free payment system is natural, but you see the typical excuses from people who refuse to adapt
austeritysucks: so people could buy keys for below store price in BTC and safely cash out their inventory to real cash by selling items for keys and selling keys on exchange
austeritysucks: yea so my idea was instead of recreating the steam community market for bitcoin, just narrowing down to the keys would be simple to implement
austeritysucks: its just that keys are used in the trade window, so they're the best "currency" to be used in trading higher value items
austeritysucks: since keys are used as the fixed currency to trade
cazalla: yeah, get scammers offering to buy weapons using paypal all the time
austeritysucks: paypal is horrible for digital goods though so it's a natural fit, just hard to get the community to adopt it
mircea_popescu: usually it ends up a little later with "here's the thing we were talking about, except i built it inside a submarine just in case. and here's some beer i brewed and by the way, do you know candi and brandi ? they're twins."
mircea_popescu: i mean, suppose you do that. so ? people can just reup outside of your control, all you achieve is piss off the wot list.
kakobrekla: no the 'problem' is that if gribble hops and you reup you will be able to down everyone who has not reupped or some shit like that
mircea_popescu: then we can count how often this happens to de-l1 people.
mircea_popescu: leaving a loophole there deliberately where someone with >1 l1 and 0 l2 can still voice themselves
kakobrekla: the trust is checked on up only.
kakobrekla: if you up yourself, nobody can down you for the session.
cazalla: austeritysucks: csgo items mostly <<< if ya ever come back, lemme know the site
mircea_popescu: speak the word of god kako. why is it ?
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kakobrekla: well, the delay is the duration of his connection, which isnt too bad considering this is freenode.
thestringpuller: mike_c: there will always be netsplits
mike_c: until the person parts
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's the delay currently, like 15 minutes ?
mircea_popescu: the link actually is to his previous bout of derping here
mike_c: btw kakobrekla, i was thinking possible an easy solution to the whole problem of "negrated person won't leave" might be another command. like !recheck Anduck. then if his l2 is no good assbot boots him.
mircea_popescu: in any case : a freedom is something the people have, and the state can't take away. the rights are constructions that the state gives, and so the state can take away.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad.
mircea_popescu: the difference between rights and freedoms being essentially the difference between pearl necklaces and dog collars.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people noticed the subtle change from freedom of speech to an alleged "right" of free speech.
mircea_popescu: anyway, better off this way, had the democratic delusions failed to explode we'd just have been belabouring under falsepremises for this interval mostl likely, wouldn't have the lordship list and the supremely valuable understanding of what hierarchy means in society and why equalitarianism is the fruit of the devil jacking off and so on.
kakobrekla: seems like im listed in the judge list as well. just ftr i did not receive any compensation for my non-work (as i was not involved in a case).
mircea_popescu: teh great lesson of bitcoinz : there's no backsies.
rithm: i can look up the txid if you need
mircea_popescu: what, trying to imply something's missing ? nothing's missing, it's all there.
kakobrekla: >The total damage steming from this latest naivity of mine is 150 BTC in owed salaries which become due in December < this was actually paid ?
rithm: i still have the full channel logs
rithm: that's some sort of twisting of the facts. pay me to discuss it with you and I might.
mircea_popescu: you used it to prove the common man belongs silent.
mircea_popescu: what's so offensive about it ? you had a chance to be like intelligent and prove the common man should have a voice.
rithm: afaik the rota thing was a mircea and wences setup
thestringpuller: jborkl: hit or miss right? my asian friend calls it "asian GoT without the dragons"
jborkl: thestringpuller, i watched four episodes last night.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is the next great khan...
mircea_popescu: kinda why democracy is a fucking stupid idea. the only logical counterbalance to the common man's moral myopia is a solid grasp on the кнут.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 22:14:11; jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
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cornfeedhobo: thestringpuller: he is trustworthy because someone doxxed him a while back. even posted pictures of his mom. I never got the sense that it was genuine, but i could be wrong.
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mircea_popescu: i recall this one instance where i was going to buy some btc but the guy turned out to only have like 5 or so, and i was meh, for that much not worth my time going into paypal.
mircea_popescu: it was oscilating aroudn there, at some point prior the pirate muppet was "going to ruin the price" while it went from low 6s to 7s.
jborkl: yeah, the weekend btcst went bust it dropped to $8
mircea_popescu: eventually people started caring and it got crushed into the dirt, but for a year or so all sorts of bugs got to dance on the tools an' pretend.
mircea_popescu: at the time, bitcoin was a few dollars and basically nobody gave much of a shit.
mircea_popescu: but he had an insider deal where he paid the various captains of industry more so they got the idea to resell.
mircea_popescu: jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week << per week
joecool: cornfeedhobo: still think the best was seeing a minor (danieldaniel) lend btc to a heroin addict (rg), -otc is always good entertainment
mircea_popescu: cornfeedhobo isn't support the hell computer afficionados go to die in ?
mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:25:10 <pigeons>i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me
mircea_popescu: Apr 06 06:24:27 <rg>just set your password to asdfghjkl;' that way you can zip through the whole row. the enter key is even at the end. thats to root password to every bitvps server.
mircea_popescu: i think guy was like 16 or something at the time
mircea_popescu: cornfeedhobo http://trilema.com/2013/the-froth-of-our-days/
cornfeedhobo: gmaxwell? i think i may have missed the drama involving him ... mind filling me in?
mircea_popescu: well, let it be a lesson to all aspiring states : don't allow gmaxwells anywhere near anything, or they'll shit up your future.
cornfeedhobo: afaik, the ops have one
joecool: -otc can't even pull together an events bot
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mircea_popescu: these things don't change over time i dun think.
mircea_popescu: joecool was a fact back then.
joecool: heh return of rg to irc seems to be causing arguments in all the bitcoin-* channels
thestringpuller: haha! I have no idea why we spend so much on marketing. These designers are wasting their precious time.
thestringpuller: in one of the meetings I almost went "marketing is rape"
thestringpuller: so I work for the marketing department here as a developer.
thestringpuller: warmer than the n hemisphere i hope ;)
thestringpuller: They are interesting! I think my 3D artist has some renders as an XMas present for you. Hopefully chetty can help us get it in the engine sometime Q1.
mircea_popescu: how goes the merryments ?
mircea_popescu: heya thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: there was about a month there while namworld was struggling to salvage the thing. which meanwhile i think died again or what is it these days ?
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the guy didn't protest at any point while rg was still running the thing, nor did he stand up to take over once rg fucked it up.
mircea_popescu: he never availed himself of it, and that is exactly enough for constructive tacit agreement, just as good as if he swore to the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the contract has a specific clause, 3(a)That no third party has offered verifiable proof as to the inaccuracy or incompleteness of the representations and warranties made herein and that no market makers, preferred traders and other significant investors of MPEx have publicly proffered doubt as to the accuracy or completeness of the representations and warranties made herein ;
mircea_popescu: re the entire grubles/bitvps thing : the listing was discussed for a while, in a public channel. grubles was there, and not only represented himself in agreement, but represented rg as the owner of the thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate grubles -1 Disingenuous at best. One of the large group of everyday nitwits that wandered into Bitcoin early on enough so as to end up with a much larger momentary fortune than their limited brainpower could support. After squandering it through the usual means, they prefer to pretend their funciar stupidity is someone else's fault.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, at least you are recorded in the WoT in a way other than Mr Spam is.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Oh look other people are tired of being hasseled with ideas too http://www.itworld.com/article/2862466/im-done-agreeing-to-ndas-before-hearing-ideas.html
mats: i only had the one what.cd invite
kakobrekla: (if its what.cd rather say no)
mike_c: who is best torrent search these days?
kakobrekla: !up drawingthesun
TomServo: !up drawingthesun
thestringpuller: i don't know if the conglemorate of coinbr users have the inventory of stock necessary to lend.
thestringpuller: volume was completely the wrong word
thestringpuller: i dunno if there is enough inventory
mike_c: and obviously there is plenty of s.mpoe volume
mike_c: it is grease for the wheels.
thestringpuller: mike_c dunno if there is enough volume for that
mike_c: let people lend shares at an interest rate, and let others borrow (with btc collateral) to short.
mike_c: have you ever thought about adding the ability to short mpex stocks to coinbr? seems like it would be a great service for you as a brokerage.
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
austeritysucks: hi there
asciilifeform spends his evenings debugging an entirely other rom to which he does have source. and disagrees, seeing how there is plenty of sport in it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: so you think your day job is painful. go debug a rom, for an evil embedded cpu arch, to which you haven't source. << If you had the source though it wouldn't be sporting.
ben_vulpes: so i woke up from the sleep of "ah - i've finally stablized this thing" at the butt of dawn to bring the cluster back
ben_vulpes: decimation: well last night after rigorous testing i neglected to disable the nightly job that i'd just proved responsible for taking down the client cluster
decimation: ben_vulpes: how did the unbillable work go?
cazalla: write it up though if you are inclined, would go with the 50c article
cazalla: but yeah i saw this, checked out the saw but it's a bit of a zzz
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thestringpuller: they should have all just ganged up on suge knight
cazalla: hate 2pack? you are such a hipster thestringpuller
thestringpuller: based on this test, Kanye is my favorite rapper out of all these
thestringpuller: i wish they had jay-z or something
assbot: Nas gives his "true fans" the choice to get into Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ABcalo )
BingoBoingo: Well I found it here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2q3pfw/nas_gives_his_true_fans_the_choice_to_get_into/
thestringpuller: http://theraptest.com/ << this is up my ally
kakobrekla: the !l command is a locally cached command.
kakobrekla: and im missing trade data for all the symbols
kakobrekla: theres a couple of endpoints where assbot gets data for mpex
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: Anduck would you be so kind and hop (part and join if you want) the chan?
kakobrekla: the relationship between downer and downee at upping
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Anduck: i don't need to know all the facts when i only speak about few...... come on, this is all you can do?
punkman: "i guess it does lower my trust when i state out the facts." "am still not aware of all the facts."
Anduck: they can state whatever they want. the signature of the owners isn't there, making the contract/paper invalid
Anduck: don't derail - keep the logs clean :)
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Anduck: rg could've been part of it, though. i am still not aware of all the facts. the point still is that rg alone couldnt have signed the contract - even when the contract states grubles signature is also needed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I haven't authed since yesterday
BingoBoingo: !up TheButterZone
Anduck: i guess it does lower my trust when i state out the facts.
Anduck: that said contract needed his signature too, as stated in the contract
Anduck: punkman: because he didn't sign a contract and the contract was still accepted as valid?
Anduck: it's not about whether grubles mentioned it or not. it's about that the signature -is missing- from the contract
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 21:58:57; Anduck: i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now"
punkman: ;;rate Anduck -1 for the purpose of #bitcoin-assets devoicing
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assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 23:16:46; Anduck: danielpbarron: well, let me know when you've parsed it so you can verify that the signature isn't there, making the contract not valid
Anduck: it's funny how the defences work.
gribble: You rated user Anduck on Thu Aug 14 13:39:36 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/14#l1408037518 and this http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/07/23#l1406132751.
Anduck: but as long as they can't, it's not fine
Anduck: if mpex can show the signature, it's all fine.
Anduck: mpex can't prove it was signed, either
Anduck: and it's missing the signature.
Anduck: it should be public to show that the contract is valid
Anduck: there's no signature which would make it valid.
Anduck: this means that the contract is not valid.
Anduck: now let's discuss whether grubles signature (which would be needed to make the contract discussed earlier, valid) is not in place
kakobrekla: well wtf are you talking then for ?
Anduck: so you're unable to verify the grubles' signature and sign this verification for me?
Anduck: danielpbarron: if you fail to do that signing and verification, it is evidence of that the said signature -does not exist-
kakobrekla: seems like lukejr type of braindamage where the hw has issues, not only sw.
Anduck: danielpbarron: well, let me know when you've parsed it so you can verify that the signature isn't there, making the contract not valid
kakobrekla: not only bitcoin, he doesnt understand how the internets works.
Anduck: danielpbarron: verified that the contract needs grubles signature to be valid and the said signature is missing?
Elio19: Thanks for the voice, but honestly i think the chan was better off before. The reason is: It's nearly Christmas. And, im grinch.
kakobrekla: too bad he didnt have another surname starting with letter K
undata: BingoBoingo: I enjoyed your recent article on the DPR case
kakobrekla: now shoo, go be stupid in some other chan.
cazalla: Anduck, imagine worst thing that could happen is that my bet is refunded in full.. well, why not bet on every known outcome and see if some slip past the goalie
kakobrekla: well, they indeed can.
Anduck: kakobrekla: can coinbase just flee away with the user-deposited funds because they own the private keys?
cazalla: not really the same thing anyway
jurov: coinbase 1) does not have such provision in their terms of service
Anduck: could coinbase now just take all the bitcoins and leave?
cazalla: one can imagine all the wasted time refunding angle shooters if such a policy wasn't in place
jurov: http://trilema.com/2013/rota-post-mortem/ << Anduck see the discussion, it's mircea's and kako's sacrosanct right to arrange unprotected hole in the foyer with a sign "whatever falls here, is our property"
cazalla: Anduck, right because theft is when someone willingly sends you something
Anduck: cazalla: well, it's still stealing even if they deserve it
Anduck: jborkl: you can ask grubles about the details of this
cazalla: <Anduck> i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now" <<< fuck angle shooters, they deserve what they get
jborkl: Anduck, what prompted this? Is there something prompting this
jurov: ic, nobody knows anything, they just occassionally come to chan, stir shit up and leave
Anduck: just like the stealing of 10 btc by bitbet.. owners of bitbet now claim "we own the private key that corresponds to the public key the money was stent, therefore money is now ours" if i understood kakos sentence correctly
Anduck: but because, you know, if you have money you can make your own rules.. you can bend them too..
Anduck: rg and mircea knew they were going against grubles
jurov: grubles how should mircea know rg is acting in bad faith? did you raise your voice then?
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gribble: You rated user Anduck on Mon Aug 27 14:21:13 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: easy transaction.
jborkl: What was the rate, 7% per day? Or week
Anduck: ;;rate kakobrekla -5 about the "bitbet 10btc stealing"-case, "kakobrekla| its ours cause the private key says so."
gribble: You rated user kakobrekla on Mon Aug 27 14:22:51 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: bought bitcoinmax-account from him, smooth and nice.
kakobrekla: idk if you know how the bitcoin works.
Anduck: can coinbase now declare all the people-deposit bitcoins as theirs because they own the private keys?
kakobrekla: its ours cause the private key says so.
Anduck: i'm not surprised. i still remember the "you sent 10btc late to bitbet, now it's ours because faq says it's ours now"
Anduck: just read the contract now
Anduck: delegated by the contract that wasn't signed by bitvps real owner?
mike_c: "WHEREAS, the aforenamed James "rg" Edward was delegated to represent the Board of Directors of BitVPS"