ascii_modem: see classic text 'art of the metaobject protocol'
ascii_modem: with the possible exception of its immediate ancestor, 'flavours'
ascii_modem: for the record, 'clos' is, as of today, the only non-retarded incarnation of that concept yet built
mircea_popescu: or perhaps you're going to entertain polite doubt as to the proper count of three beads to better fit with the lazy posing as retarded ?
mircea_popescu: adlai: for the record, i think that's a shame and a sin, and that y'all are a little silly for this << do explain.
mircea_popescu: if it were that, they'd be dangling.
ascii_modem: then - right, works no more
mircea_popescu: or before then ? or after ?
mircea_popescu: i'll hang them, with or without discussion, with or without "the public", once it's ripe. how's the "works" dust going to do anything either way then ?
mircea_popescu: you're proposing it works to the multitudes, this is a test of political will.
ascii_modem: of everyone involved in the coverups
mircea_popescu: so this magical dust "works" except it doesn't but it's okay because when it doesn't the shaman didn't really want it to ?
ascii_modem: he, iirc, is the american zhirinovsky
mircea_popescu: and all his dingy scams selling gold and other crap to mentally disabled senior citizens goes by flying.
mircea_popescu: and currently it's "working" on rush limbaugh, and it's working so well the guy's audience's never been better
mircea_popescu: gimme a break will you, or else ima summon preet the friendly parrot to bar you from referencing stuff happening 20 years ago
mircea_popescu: it did not save their president. it did nothing else.
mircea_popescu: all through, and years before, and years after they tried this "works" thing.
mircea_popescu: but forget about me for a second. drudge beheaded clinton, the libtards' most beloved president (mostly because he destroyed banks and everyone's savings to put 100k black bums in houses they can't afford and meanwhile destroeyd)
mircea_popescu: nope. it only works in the sense placebo is medicine.
mircea_popescu: looking forward to more of the "oh mp is such a conspiracy nut" stuff.
mircea_popescu: yet another one of those very useful contributions of contributirs contributing.
ascii_modem: airplane << notice the sop 'dailymailization' tactic
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << Local "Rent to Own" Chumpatron reportedly sells BTC via something called LibertyX Seems to fit the definition of Pederast temple
mircea_popescu: and they're still covering it up ?
ascii_modem: these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples
mircea_popescu: (i'm somehow confused as to how the slackening btc affects you anyway, not like the conference became more expensive ?!)
ascii_modem: but intended effect - is there.
ascii_modem: now i can't say they physically existed
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem looky, the 12 btc or w/e random reddit noob threw under the bus in that scam does not to any degree figure.
mircea_popescu: decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests << actually the two prisoners cooperate more often than not.
ascii_modem: sank btc/usd. and this is the one time of year when i can feel it on on skin
BingoBoingo: We'll know Ethereum is dead when Vitalik puts of Vastly more money for a New Years day bowl.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, earlier they needed discipline to avoid starving.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly enough, they did get the right ideas earlier, just no execution. this i suppose is much easier.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> still a horrible use of dollars. apple got to be apple by paying about 2-5% of that, over a decade. << It's a fake money problem really. Too many VC dollars that can't actually buy things so they go marketing pissing matches.
thestringpuller: you're on a modem? I fall asleep for 2 hours and the world is back int he dark ages?
mircea_popescu: because the web is fucking useless.
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mircea_popescu: location: http://trilema.com/2015/investigations-in-the-bone-heap-of-the-lost-generation-today-mashable/
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mircea_popescu: compared to that discipline, the impact of jobs' "genius" is overstated.
ascii_modem: lol! i can't even readily distinguish this incident from the ordinary background radiation of perverse chumpatronicity that surrounds everything sport-related at all times...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> how is it a win lol. << If USG accepts it can't have nice things it can try to still be kind of the dump
ascii_modem: the silent, tedious corrosion of everything even vaguely computerized, on account of winblows - that's a modern usg win.
ascii_modem: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower. <<<< an attributable wreck is a failed mission, really
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/
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ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: got my hopes up for a second there
mircea_popescu: keep nipping from the sides until eventually, have a complete, us-independent computing stack. start open war on the patent idiots, put everyone ever involved in jail, starve them slowly, publish pictures in a specially created memorial etc etc.
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so what's the roadmap for liberating honest silicon's ability to self-reproduce from the monkeys that are trying to choke it down? a) make cardano ; b) make next product ; c) keep doing this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the freedom of the semiconductor belongs - not! to the fellow with the factory - but the one who controlls the entire process stack << so much bull. and i suppose the freedom of the press belongs to conde nast, because mp can't write a blong and it can't be more widely read than mashable because wikipedia won't admit to it and that matters. o.O and okay...
mircea_popescu: in 2014 ? no wai. ascii's description of the chinaman suits the usian much closer than it suits the intended subject.
mircea_popescu: decimation: if the world were reversed and china was designing stuff for us foundries to stamp out, it would certainly be the case that us folks would try to do it themselves << in 1814 this actually was the case, except china was england.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: what should he want on top of this ? << the world is not made either by or for the content.
mircea_popescu: and this without as much as considering the wilful part. to propose that the us has any control over the ineptitude it peddles (not just software - their politics of "democracy" are equally inept, and just as eagerly exported) past the simple "it'll suck" strikes me as nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the russians are possibly sloppier than average.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every industrial project fails in some manner or another before being complete.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: see the siberian pipeline incident. << i am not convinced by this sole flower.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating the last 100+ xilinx threads <<< basically, there was no torvalds for hardware. yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: xilinx ships a set of identially-functioning turdlibraries for both languages. << one wonders how they actually achieved this.
mircea_popescu: davout: BingoBoingo: i really like your articles <<< i agree, the man's showing real talent.
ascii_modem: (specially-prepared cell full of eager beavers of wtf the current eng term is for them)
ascii_modem: they'll show him a пресс-хата
ascii_modem: perhaps simply the inside of two different prisons
ascii_modem: i suspect he'll be shown the instruments.
mircea_popescu: fail that, kick him out of his own trial, hold the whole thing stalin-style
mircea_popescu: likely, the same education that produced retardo-shrem had some effect on him too
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 03:30:09; asciilifeform: all that resulted was a leak, of facts which anglo media will never print - so it's almost as good, from their point of view, as 'never happened'
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2014 08:40:19; jurov: <mircea_popescu> somehow nobody goes "o look, mp paid 100s of btc so bitcoin financial space may exist" << you know, that space practically does not exist for them
ascii_modem: and devil knows what other mutations will be - attempted
mircea_popescu: that'd be the fate of an actual, vital, functioning empire.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't actually have the oomph to carry it through
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: wake me up when a 'minuteman' is pwned and sent off on an unsanctioned joyride. << that may require fixing them.
mircea_popescu: by the way ascii_modem! teh world eagerly awaits a letter from you. seeing how we missed the previous opportunity
mircea_popescu: decimation: one gets the picture that usg 'leaders' think of themselves as being above such trivialities as secure communications << this is not as unlikely as itmay seem. at a time when caesar came up with the pgp of that time, most of the senate a) loled at the nonsense ; b) wondered which gods caesar was praying to to be that successful.
ascii_modem: (usa mixed tetryl into gunpowder and slipped the cartridges behind north vietnamese lines)
mircea_popescu: how does isis know the dushkas aren't really "gushkas" ?
mircea_popescu: no, sony the whole thing
ascii_modem: how come the fbi is this impotent ? << because it is slated for replacement with a new gendarmerie. i thought we went over this
ascii_modem: but invariably this happens only when the chip can no longer be met with even in a scrapyard.
ascii_modem: notice how more or less full docs for 15+ y.o. pc components can usually be had (perhaps minus the backdoors & easter eggs, but sufficient for kernel devs)
ascii_modem: else simply sony-ing it << only question is how to make the buggers keep the 'sony-d' chip in print.
mircea_popescu: in any case, money and us dollars aren't fungible, and so no, nobody could ever have used the billions poured into cybersecurity for any useful purpose.
mircea_popescu: i can use my bitcoin to pay for a hit on obama. one can't even use his dollars in lumps larger than 10k, we don't even get to discuss the content because the form already trips us up.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, thinking of bitcoin as even having a dollar value other than infinity is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: even if the coconut goes for ten trillion "dollars" on their island, and a sloop never costs 1mn
mircea_popescu: what they couldn't ever do, no matter what nominal value each coconut theoretically reaches, is buy a sloop.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, some guys stranded on a deserted island COULD build a coconut trading empire where they just keep selling and buying the same three dried old coconuts to the point where their imaginary "economy" far outstrips the whole combined world trade.
mircea_popescu: specifically, not in the loafer's nature to chance, he needs to be coerced. and not in the scrip's nature to coerce, it'd have to be hard money for that.
mircea_popescu: you could not get a single dolphin to fly, nor a single loafer to work, for an infinity in scrip. because it's not "in their nature"
mircea_popescu: there's that quip about how it's easy enough to get women to do what they want to do anyway, getting them to do what should actually be done is the headache.
mircea_popescu: decimation: imagine if the billions poured into 'cybersecurity' were spent on constructing an actual secure terminal from first principles << there's a fundamental problem with soft, fiat, paper money, that it can't be used for arbitrary purposes, which is the very meaning of "soft" in their name.
mircea_popescu: so, look into the bank accounts of all those invovled, see who's made a little bezzlebucks they had no perspective of making in 2005
mircea_popescu: to the typically corrupt latter soviet system where that hero is a hero of the union.
mircea_popescu: all the asshole "lefties" for pay that helped the usg "react to" snowden have made money out of it. the old system where a "random hero" was selected to be held up as a fetish for the masses, "explaining" their poverty and justifying their pointless struggle is giving way, out of sheer exhaustion of resources,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: and the whole greenwald/poitras/etc shitgnome gang <<< very little has been made of this, but here'd be a great angle for investigative jouralism :
mircea_popescu: A spokesperson for Booking.com told Money Box the firm is working with police on how to prevent future phishing attacks. They declined to be interviewed.
mircea_popescu: "I want to know how this scamming company are finding out the reservation numbers, the dates, the contact details, there's a lot of private information there," she said.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 07:07:40; fluffypony: thestringpuller: what's lol about that? reasonable use of an unused HTTP code, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with the plugin they've developed
mircea_popescu: cazalla "Qntra first began sounding the alarm in regards suspicious claims made by GAW Miners back in October of 2014 and despite these warnings, it has largely gone ignored until the past few days whereby it has exploded all over /r/bitcoin." dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ?
adlai: actually looks like the cop is getting his ass handed to him
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958376 << check out the wary, restrained suspicious look of the italian guy in the back. testament to the insane pressure everyone's under, for literally no good reason.
mircea_popescu: and this shouldn't be a point of discussion in that trial because... they know they'll lose ?
mircea_popescu: "views concerning the propriety of U.S. or international drug laws or the propriety of government regulation of individual conduct or commerce on the Internet"
mircea_popescu: Preet Baharara is himself specifically concerned that the defense wants to bring up:
mircea_popescu: also where it's headed. the entire "o we hate this that and the other" verbiage peripheral to energy generation today is entirely born out of abundance.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's actually the only sensible solution.
thestringpuller: "Why don't we just shoot nuclear waste of our atmosphere and into the Sun?" "Because it's stupid expensive and it's stupid dangerous if a rocket blows up on the launchpad. Please don't do this."
mircea_popescu adds Annie Yousar to the list of women in tech he likes.
mircea_popescu: unemployed actors have always been indistinguishable from bums. this for very good reason, without this mud on the pond bottom, no lotus.
mircea_popescu: but definitely not the only cockroach inthat room.
adlai: garzacoin shilling is getting quite intense, though. i've even met irl paycoin shills at a local meetup, and it's sad how clueless they are of their role in the larger scam (or sad how they can't get a decent stage acting gig, and have to do this shit instead)
mircea_popescu: "Because OpenSSL gently handles leading zero bytes in a private key, I'm quite sure that a correction of the EC key encoding has no impact."
mircea_popescu: decimation: it would probably be okay for dictating an email or whatever << this mostly exposes the unfounded belief that coding is for men while emails is for women. in point of fact, adding an extra byte error in some derpy code is irrelevant. for one thing, it would not be the only one. for another thing, it's just code. meanwhile, i shudder at the thought of byte errors in my emails.
kakobrekla: you are going there?!
mircea_popescu: undata: mats: was there some more specific strategy with the brick than "fuck this wrist..." ? << i also think the guy had the right idea. "when confronted with bullshit, escalate."
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 02:21:10; decimation: some bum who camps next to the George Washington bridge also has 300,000 'views' per day - that doesn't transform him into a 'profitable business'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2014#958248 << gotta watch those old versions of the world, yo, lest sam altman gives you a "doesn't understand how the world works" black star.
mircea_popescu: mats: then shadowban 90% of posters <<< can only shadowban 10% of users. because percents, and "new version of the world"
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2014 01:27:18; decimation: this guy (along with his brother) > http://www.forbes.com/profile/donald-newhouse/ <owns advance publications, which owns reddit
assbot: Logged on 21-12-2014 18:02:01; asciilifeform: which, it turns out, the systemd pushers reflexively defended as a feature.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2014#958151 << lmao too good. "oh b-a is a cult because it points and laugh at us. what's this, something malfunctioning ? no no it's a feature. oh wait, devs actually admit it was a bug ? uhhh... we're just the us agitprop machine, wut."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'Please could we stick to the technical aspects of this problem. Attempts to apportion responsibilty rarely lead anywhere.' << immediately shoot in the head anyone saying this. help make the world a better place.
mircea_popescu: except the usg is not a version of the world, it's merely a version of graham & co's beliefs.
mircea_popescu: he succeeded as an easy money usg moocher, which is i suppose something he justifies to himself as "being an expert in a later version of the world"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "To some extent, yes. I spent almost a decade investing in early stage startups, and curiously enough protecting yourself against obsolete beliefs is exactly what you have to do to succeed as a startup investor." << yes, you miss the part where he never succeeded as a start-up investor.
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: either from ore or paying the ransom required to get intel et. al. to completely open the design for a chipset <<< or else simply sony-ing it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: afaik every word of the history of the two koreas available in the english language, since the first days leading up to the war, is a cheap fabrication.<< in no way different from the same words available in juche language
mircea_popescu: i'd watch that, and that's the first entertainment sony ever made that i'd watch.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the lulz of all time tho, sony sueing microsoft for lost revenues etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation: no word on whether microsoft is going to be held liable for ridiculously poor engineering < :)))
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i can't discount the chance you served that up specifically to my ip, who knows eh
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess they do at that.
mircea_popescu: and all the agents involved, as well as the plethora of idiots, will just duly update their cv to reflect their certified expertise and act as if you know, they know shit.
mircea_popescu: decimation: asciilifeform: I doubt there will be a 'day of reckoning' w.r.t. tor. it will just turn off and the derps will move on << pretty much exactly.
mircea_popescu: what, get the letters right ?! whai!
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mircea_popescu: the "press" is so fuycking lulzy. check this out :
mircea_popescu: how secure can one feel, as a mid range us bureaucrat, given these revelations ? the usg can not protect you, yo.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 15:23:38; mircea_popescu: next step : Bitcoin regulates the USG.
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:34:37; decimation: http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2014/12/opm-alerts-feds-second-background-check-breach/101622/ << "The Office of Personnel Management is alerting more than 48,000 federal employees their personal information may have been exposed following a breach at KeyPoint Government Solutions, which conducts background investigations of federal employees seeking security clearances."
mircea_popescu: decimation: It's good that reporters apologize for asking questions, makes the situation clear for the little people <<< seriously, since when does the press EVEN GO to prepared statement and catering sort of affairs ?
mircea_popescu: the fbi as it currently stands has not the werewithal to extract itself from a paper bag. and i mean that literally, if i kidnapped them all and dropped them in rural kansas they'd prolly never make it back to headquarters.
mircea_popescu: that stuff happens once all the actual agents left, and the remaining bureaucrats understandably have no self respect or career spirit.
mircea_popescu: i mean, seriously. what agency in the history of that business would ever, under any circumstances, make such a ridiculous blunder ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, if this meta-nsa exists, how come the fbi is this impotent ?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2014 03:10:14; decimation: http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/update-on-sony-investigation << there is an air of desperation here: "Sony reported this incident within hours, which is what the FBI hopes all companies will do when facing a cyber attack. Sony’s quick reporting facilitated the investigators’ ability to do their jobs, and ultimately to identify the source of these attacks."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2014#957658 <<< in practice, this worked out to "the reporting facilitated FBI's lying about imaginary north korean hackers, and thoroughly embarassing themselves to a degree not seen since bush swore he personaly saw saddam's terrorism stash".
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mircea_popescu: im sure it'll work out so very differently from the first version, because yes, totally, people matter and their desires change reality.
mircea_popescu: so basically doge v2.0, because the fucktards must have a "moon rocket".
mircea_popescu: "Hey friends, reddit cryptocurrency engineer here. The post is deliberately vague about technology and legal. For one, we're holding back on committing to a particular technology just because the bitcoin world changes very fast, and we want to make sure we pick the right choice. However, almost certainly it will be either colored coins or sidechains."
mircea_popescu: ahaha check out the coincidence of all time http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2014#957468 i ended up right in the middle of the dramaz ?
mircea_popescu: "The nation would be well-served to elevate Bharara from the "Sheriff of Wall Street" to chief federal law-enforcement officer."
mircea_popescu: they even have the unmitigated audacity to add that violation of the indian diplomat on his cv as if it were a positive.
mircea_popescu: yep, the roland freiser thing is quite on point. fucking fatlogic, well done cnn.
mircea_popescu: "10 reasons Preet Bharara should be the next attorney general" "Investment banks were most responsible for the devastating economic downturn, yet the costs of their opportunistic behavior were placed on the shoulders of everyday Americans, who lost jobs, retirement savings, and confidence in the market."
mircea_popescu: the guy's lying through his teeth, michael o church style ?
mircea_popescu: "They spent several months testing my code, comparing its performance with their old database, which was pretty primitive but known to be reliable." vs "If their application went down for even a day, it would cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars. This was a common occurrence, as their existing application was pretty buggy."
mircea_popescu: i suppose if there wasn't an obamacare "you don't have to pay your own medical bills" the us consumer'd "have come to expect" that he only pays if the surgery/treatment is successful.
mircea_popescu: i suppose providing a service doesn't count as providing a service except in those cases where the beneficiary is happy with the outcome or something ?
mircea_popescu: decimation mats : the situation with freenode is that it's basically a sinking ship / abandoned tech. the few hanger ons do not actually have the werewithal to do anything other than push the levers, which they sort-of understand how to do, but various rooms are constantly being sealed off because "it's too much". it's indubitable that freenode will eventually sink, and it won't take it decades, for this very reason.
mircea_popescu: same reason napoleon tried to invade moscow not magnitogorsk, same reason the barricades went up in paris not derpue-sur-herpoise
mircea_popescu: "asciilifeform: no actual human transmits $maxint whatevers from a single ip per second/hour/etc" except a) yes they do and b) 4kb should be enough for everyone.
mircea_popescu: there's also 723 pieces of email thanking me or otherwise discussing the wordpress hole. since the 16th.
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devthedev: Why does there always seem to be a lack of intelligent discussion on here? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=912442.msg10019113#msg10019113
mircea_popescu: there's 9 from various ceos and assorted derps
mircea_popescu: there's like... 6 different ones from ninjashogun AFTER hanbot wrote that post.
mircea_popescu: occasionally there's some sec "senior attorney" gofer. the vast majority is X dude who doesn't like the fact that trilema maintains a copy of whatever stupid evil shit he did a few years ago and figures "hey, a few years ago means it never happened"
cazalla: none of any interest then i take it
mircea_popescu: cazalla i get between a few and a dozen poorly cobbled together "legal threats" each week.
mircea_popescu: nanotube: it is being worked on. but have a lot of other stuff on my plate. once everything is signed, there will not even be a need for something like "auth". <<< this is a good point. having identity implemented as a stateful thing is mindboggling anyway. stuff like cloaks and so on pale in comparison.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: even if you do, there is no guarantee that other readers see the same thing you see << yeah, there is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (i'd love to hear a rationale for it) << people other than nanotube are keeping track of the various scammers trying to use gribble.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of benefit for any 7yo in having a close friend that lost some appendages to heavy machinery.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: that sucks << there's a lot more depth to this point than meets the eye. us children are inept these days first and foremost because they have been removed from the workplace in the 50s and 60s, under the guise of "safety" and the general nonsense where "Everything must be separated" that also yielded zoning laws etc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the solution being, we lock them out. << "if we kill all the babies, we will in fact have reduced infant mortality to an unmatchable 0 in subsequent years"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mike_c: sure. <<< tis melting like april snow, the case.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mod6: <+ascii_modem> bdb begs for the axe << yes. it's awful.
mod6: no sweat. we're not quite at that point anyway. as I was eluding to in the Address & ToDo, I'll update #b-a at some point during the month after we get this other leak sorted.
Apocalyptic: noted, I don't have that much free time at the moment
mod6: feel free to hit either ben_vulpes or me anytime if you wanna collaborate on that.
Apocalyptic: actually after reading the relevant code there is some logic related to the mempool, so it may be worth some tests indeed
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the project does need more resources. if you feel like reading and submitting the thing, signed, jurov's keeping the list and erryone'd be moar than happy.
mod6: let him know that he's about to send a 40 BTC tx fee. there are improvments that can be made perhaps
mod6: so, well, i dunno, i guess "works as designed" or something, but a least do the guy a favor of a reach-around
Apocalyptic: in the sense it doesn't really check anything wallet related or something, it's supposed to just parse your JSON and send it to nodes
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> or for that matter at all tested. // not sure there is something to be really tested
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the main issue is he wont be able to take credit. << omfg the slanders.
mod6: of course, as always, we welcome any help that anyone wants to give to achieve these goals.
mod6: i'll stay the course on v0.5.3 and what we set out to do in january. will revisit this later in the month as was the plan anyway.
mod6: fair enough. perhaps this is not quite the urgent matter that I thought it might have been.
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is somewhat used. not that widely. then again, linuxkernel is widely used. so what of it.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't even know that the raw transaction power ranger implementation was ever read by anyone.
mircea_popescu: mod6 at some point the code transforms an user indicated tx into an actual tx.
mod6: spent, probably a total of 16 hours on it. didn't get very far. and seeing as though the raw transactions api is 4 versions beyond (or something) v0.6.0, it might be very hard to do it that way.
mircea_popescu: and since the fiat world mostl yexists as a staging scene for various social engineering attacks, from preet bharara onwards, this isn't a good design.
mircea_popescu: moreover, if there's a central repository of the log that's also an exclusive repository of the log, the incentive for nefarious idiots a la ninjashogun to attack it via social engineering increases
mod6: when trying to back port something i thought would be as simple as import/dump private keys, it turned out that the changes were indeed far reaching in the code.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the observation that, on account of the log existing, we don't need human idlers for anything at all, was correct << at the very least they provide a passive certification of the log.
mircea_popescu: mod6 why exactly wouldn't be there be an easy way to simply insert raw txn ?
mircea_popescu: the disposing of drooling idiots is an unrelated matter, and if pursued at all should not be pursued in the heat of fake emergencies.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: honestly im not sure whats worse, autoddos or autoban. << i really don't see much incentive to do anything at this point. i mean, the ddos guy was moreover useful, for as long as he kept iot up. i didn't think he's reliable, and he proved that much,so.. whatevs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: currently, the plan is to attempt to fix the leak that causes the R.I. to crash during full block sync. but we might end up rolling forward to version .7 and having to re-implement the 7 patches we currently have.
mod6: (bullet point 4): fix behavior where blocks are downloaded from a single peer (what is the desired behavior here? - should be pretty much ripped off from SotA torrent trackers.)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it won't do anything for the case at hand, because well... dude can just get in the wot, what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: lowers load on freenode, and if they're actually concerned there's whatever skullduggery going on they can just get into teh wot.
mod6: ok, i haven't looked into the part yet where it has been somehow spotted that the blocks seems to get pulled from one peer, instead of many. if p2p seeds refers to a way to get blocks in more of a torrent fashion, i agree.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think the least damaging way is to kick nicks that are idle sing sing-on. asciilifeform: wanna idle for >5 min, get in wot. << yeah. i can see this, especially as people who wish to simply read logs can just as well read the webpage.
mircea_popescu: sounds more like a trim, for the toolbox
mircea_popescu: mod6 i've been thinking about it, not entirely sure it actually belongs in the core.
mod6: <+ascii_modem> speaking of - iirc it was gonna be configable chkpoints , not none at all ? << i guess i wasn't aware of the 'configurable' part, just was going by the todo list: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/0.5.3-todos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'amplification' idiocy is trivially tested for, and any isp which doesn't yank the offending lusers ought by all rights to be killed upstream << pretty much this, yes.
mod6: so now it keeps the BDB TX logs down to < 1Mb each, and I've never seen more than 60 of them in the ~/.bitcoin/database/ dir before being flushed out
mircea_popescu: Adlai: so paycoin has progressed from vaporware to real, nitrogen-rich altcoincrap? << no, but some derp who feels rich on the cash value a car monthy payment somehow figured he has something to say.
mod6: then after working on different things for a while, and looking at what is currently set in HEAD, went on to trim that shit out
ascii_modem: in my tests, bled out 100% of the time during sync
mircea_popescu: there's technically no possibility to have "no checkpoints", block 1 will willy-nilly be a checkpoint.
ascii_modem: bdb begs for the axe
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i just assumed he implemented the "no checkpoints" in the shape of a "set your own, defaults to 1" sort of thing
mod6: for the DB?
mircea_popescu: so what config did you settle on in the end mod6 ?
assbot: Logged on 18-12-2014 22:10:34; mod6: But yeah, it's still has some leaks in there somewhere, as the R.I. died at least 2 different times from 1->current block, but no more than 3 times. Eitherway, this needs to get resolved. But at least we're headed in the right direction.
mircea_popescu: 'cept the perky titted little bitch started feminism and was banished to fatlandia.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so for a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (see, for eg. Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-30:24) - but God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam. <<< bs. the original family was adam eve an' lilith.
mircea_popescu: jurov: you want to say homosexuality is okay if it's master/slave relationship? << win. get into leather while you still can!
mircea_popescu: equality is not something of this, or any other world.
decimation: re: democracy << "Now I know of only two methods of establishing equality in the political world; every citizen must be put in possession of his rights, or rights must be granted to no one." - M. de Tocqueville
mircea_popescu: assbot: Will Ripple Eclipse Bitcoin? - Slashdot ... << "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no."
mircea_popescu: jurov: lmao it says there was 1 x.idiff.dec traded on 2012-12-13 and nothing since << sounds about right.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's gonna be an announcement re x.idiff
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: really 0 volume on idiff for DEC?!?!? << myeah.
decimation: I think TI still makes stuff like the msp430