adlai: mp still on vacation, i see - replies to a week's worth of logs, then vanishes by the time i'm awake
assbot: /i0n1c I really did have to decrypt my HD flying through CDG in France. I really had nothing to hide, but that's not the point, is it?
punkman: cazalla: if your hypothetical killer has economical motives, I don't think it'd ever make sense not to try to steal/ransom.
cazalla: well, goes back to my question regarding killing over theft, not something that is happening now afaik, but in the future?
cazalla: punkman, what does the hypothetical rich man need to buy bitcoin for? if rich, surely he has them already in this future
cazalla: i'm not so sure.. if you kidnap satoshi's kid, maybe he pays the ransom but comes for you and yours once he has kid back.. can't know exactly how much he is holding or if he would part with all of them for his son
jurov: better kidnap the kid than this
cazalla: maybe you strangle the kid for good measure, i don't know
punkman: maybe his kid finds the key after 10 years in some old bookcase
punkman: you can't know either way
punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up?
cazalla: all this being hypothetical but i would guess it is easier to snipe someone in public than gain entrace to their fortress
cazalla: but that's not applicable in every scenario as far as i can tell, an example being someone who is geographically removed from their cold storage
cazalla: whilst out walking, i got to thinking - as the amount of bitcoin lost to theft decrease, at what point does it become a game of simply killing people who are known to be large holders resulting in no-one knowing the private key as to reduce the supply and increase the value of ones own holding occur?
fluffypony: maybe "gowxed" so it combines the best of both scams
BingoBoingo: The whole voting/gamification thing really encourages maximum participation from people probably should be participating closer to their potential minimum which is problematic.
BingoBoingo: It really is. Reddit sucks, but for different reasons that they think.
BingoBoingo: lulzy shit from their forum "I was just making the point that engagement with the wider crypto community was of little value to GAW, and here Reddit goes and makes a prime example for me."
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, at least he consistently builds the expectation that he's eventually going to delete fucking everything so people know to archive his bullshit
BingoBoingo: These are very interesting questions. You may need to wait for someone to wake up.
Fun: I have found cme home page for them yet to understand pricing :)
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
mircea_popescu: outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material.
mircea_popescu: that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid.
mircea_popescu: (discussed in more detail http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#footnote_0_50163 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose.
mircea_popescu: ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff.
mircea_popescu: the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted.
mircea_popescu: the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted.
mircea_popescu: "22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations.
mircea_popescu: maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened.
mircea_popescu: and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something.
mircea_popescu: "Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list,
mircea_popescu: these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals.
assbot: Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNQFb2 )
mircea_popescu: http://www.benzinga.com/tech/13/05/3563567/meet-the-22-most-important-people-behind-bitcoin << there, lol.
mircea_popescu: meh, not the ukrainian math guy.
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ascii_modem: in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash
mircea_popescu: it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark.
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BingoBoingo: ascii_modem: Here's the sphincter from which bootstrap turd emerges http://getbootstrap.com/
ascii_modem: or the indian rent-an-artists
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike.
mircea_popescu: every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children
mircea_popescu: "the nsa has nothing."
mircea_popescu: "The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees."
ascii_modem: cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog.
mircea_popescu: this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined.
mircea_popescu: "And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain."
mircea_popescu: the Sh C O is a good point tho.
mircea_popescu: "They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a b) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians."
mircea_popescu: it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional.
mircea_popescu: what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ?
mircea_popescu: " When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British soft power, to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War."
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mircea_popescu: all the way to dumping into ocean, encased in plastic bubbles.
mircea_popescu: 2. political asylum to anyone prosecuted by any 5eyes country or their allies for anything that's not petty crime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: other than 'surrender' <<< actually jump into the pool. rather than just sit on the edge and dunk toes alternatively.
mircea_popescu: holy shit i made it to the 30th!
mircea_popescu: decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway.
mircea_popescu: Overand: per bitcoin.it wiki, transactions are about 500bytes, running at 7tps, so that';s ~3500 bytes/sec or (humorously) 28,000 bits per second <<< not the right math. a block is at most 1mb and there's supposed to be 6 an hour.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> idk if we believe in good intentions. << Of course not, but it will probably be the myth lesser shitgnomes trot out.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. << Prolly should have tested him on Vax before releaseing him then
kakobrekla: cant wait for the bushmans to discover satnet
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: there is a school for that? <<< one of the best features of b-a is its potential for culture shock.
mircea_popescu: sure, maybe you'd rather. nobody involved shares this pov : neither the game devs nor the game players.
mircea_popescu: adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes << this is not unlike saying that if computer gaming sticks around, you'd rather it consists of one single game.
mircea_popescu: decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc <<< it's pretty accurate. there's no doubt in my mind the guy has first hand experience (ie, is not an internet poseur)
mircea_popescu: as clemens aptly points out, aunt polly is a sucker for the "repentant" sinner.
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BingoBoingo: OGF: What brings you to these parts?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... He probably had good intentions until the soldering iron found an uncomfortable place.
kakobrekla: aha they are getting paper btc
ben_vulpes: i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
cazalla: because aussie need a beer with their KFC http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/kfc-plan-to-sell-beer-cider-criticised-20150103-12h326.html
cazalla: decimation, that is why i sleep at the other end of the house for the past couple months now
decimation: cazalla: I had the same experience last night, makes you paranoid
cazalla: my experience with it is that there is nothing worse, i hear it even when it is quiet and the kid is asleep, it really gets into your brain
mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
mircea_popescu: this actually is true. most of the desperate prostitution is mothers trying to cope.
mircea_popescu: "Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers."
decimation: http://pepijndevos.nl/2015/01/03/branch-free-fizzbuzz-in-assembly.html << ascii, mild amusement. when one wants to implement something (algorithm without branches) suddenly there is no resort except bedrock
mircea_popescu: im so sick of the civilisation of marauding impotence it can scarcely be put into words.
mircea_popescu: let us not get into shape but instead sit on the couch and wax poetic about what men should be doing and what the definition of womanhood is ; let us not have a clue nor try to get a clue, but instead wax poetic on what money is and what other people should be doing with it and what it all means.
decimation: the god of market morality said so
mircea_popescu: and i should perhaps feel bad, because whatever, if you have money it's not your money. it's some other dudes'.
mircea_popescu: by this logic, seeing how the total value of all assets in that city is probably south of a billion dollars, my leaving constituted a loss of more than half its wealth
mircea_popescu: then some time last year i left.
mircea_popescu: and velocity of money never happened. and understanding consists of daydreaming, and everyone's the same and random nitwits that never killed a man are now allowed to make moral judgements
mircea_popescu: if someone sent 10mn btc to the black hole, we'll all be even poorer as a result. because reasons.
mircea_popescu: "You begin to wonder if you should feel guilty taking all this money from the poor Congolese who are now (you must conclude) even poorer as a result." << because that's what money is, right ? a fetish.
decimation: yeah, america has a pretty strong tradition of 'history doesn't matter, the world is getting better, we are an outpost of the future, etc'
mircea_popescu: also known as a whore bath in the rest of the world, except joe squarejaw has never heard of the rest of the world.
mircea_popescu: but no, this never-ending american exceptionalism, where if they never wash baths don't exist and joe squarejaw invented "humidification", this process whereby you dab parts of yourself with a wet cloth.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to live in a house, it's generally a better idea to get a house than cobble together something which, to the best of your abilities, is a house.
decimation: mircea_popescu: once folks have eliminated all possibility of the supernatural, they gotta worship something, why not the local market?
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone could have imagined in the xixth century that anythign less intelligent than us neoprotestantism could be borne by the world. and yet... they've done it again.
mircea_popescu: if you must participate in the empty calorie fest of religion, at least pick something respectable rather than the neo-neo-protestant bullshit made by people that are not even less intelligent than that smith fellow with the "ancient egyptian" tablets at the bottom of his hat
mircea_popescu: that article is the exact equivalent of masturbation, intellectually : it contains nothing that can even remotely be considered a thought, while keeping the mind spinning.
mircea_popescu: adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there << no, it's not thought provoking.
mircea_popescu: fucking retards these people.
mircea_popescu: "Assume you can only pass two things through the window francs and sacks of grain. Knowing that the Congo is one of the poorest countries on the planet, what strategy will you pursue in order to do the most good for their society?"
mircea_popescu: need to keep importing new turnips because the citizen turnips are too likely to understand harlan ellison ranting in his native tongue.
mircea_popescu: they "create" a new variation on beer pong.
mircea_popescu: Somers' anguish is palpable, and his catalogue of self-effacing remarks reads like an apology. He heaps criticism on himself, his job, and his entire profession. "Web start-up companies are like play-companies," he laments. Their products are "cheap, fun, and about as worldchanging as creating a new variation on beer pong."
mircea_popescu: Most of what were doing, in fact, is putting boxes on a page.... We fill our days with the humdrum upkeep of these boxes: we change the colours; we add a link to let you edit some text; we track how far you scroll down the page.... Web development is more like plumbing than any of us, perched in front of two slick monitors, would care to admit.
mircea_popescu: The piece is a thinking man's struggle to understand the value of his profession. By Somers' own reckoning, his accounts are out of balance. He's paid handsomely, but the work is trivial. As he says:
mircea_popescu: "assbot: Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct | Melting Asphalt " << bwahaha ok.
mircea_popescu: in all respects the exact opposite (no intelligence, all rulebook)
mircea_popescu: well... the sort he claims he wants to hire, but then ends up with perople like altman
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I see, so not the very sort graham would like to hire
mircea_popescu: anyway. it'd have been a point in a world pre qe. by now it's like discussing the sow's pubic hairdo.
ben_vulpes: how'd we do things before the nasdaq?
mircea_popescu: and it's not clear (but altogether probable that no) whether the concept of exchange works without volume.
mircea_popescu: in the exact same manner, if you allow them to oscillate narrowly enough, you break the concept of volume
mircea_popescu: the point being that the chair you stand on is only solid in the sense that the wavelength is so tiny you don't have the time to fall through, because your time's quantisized.
ben_vulpes: the point being that one shouldn't be allowed to fire off an order and then immediately its cancellation just to see the market response?
mircea_popescu: they actually have a point, albeit a finnicky one and meanwhile the world fell from under the sort of place where such;d be entertained.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: the notion that an order once placed must live on until filled is pretty lulzy <<< that's not what's going on there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone wanting to hire 30 inventors needs his head checked <<< and what could you do for them ?
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal << not to mention at the heart of so many terminals.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, dja mean qntra or gaw has been largely ignored ? <<< i meant qntra but it was like the 2nd post i made so sorta makes sense not many people read it
mircea_popescu: but people in the 120 and over range tend to wish to followalong at home
mircea_popescu: i mean yeah that's how it works for the retarded, 75 to 90 iq
ascii_modem: pg's flunkies believe that they shall be rewarded in this life.
ascii_modem: and setting bozo bit on the fellow who convincingly plays the part of your only ticket out of hell - is psychologically expensive
mircea_popescu: mr spam meets neither qualification.
mircea_popescu: bear in mind that i have the advantage of very deep intimacy with people that age
ascii_modem: this is not how the kids in question work. whatever saint craps out - gospel. if patent nonsense: test of faith!
mircea_popescu: does this guy have not the slightest moral compunction about that one kid ? because why, because 5 million mouthbreathers that wouldn't read him anyway wouldn't see it in a million years ?
mircea_popescu: which you know they were recently convicted for criminally colluding not to do.
mircea_popescu: but wait! if they didn't pay "the same price" for an immigrant, they'd have to pay a higher price for a local
mircea_popescu: yet they do understand enough of you know, basic arithmetic and thermodynamics to see that a "same price" argument is pure nonsense.
ascii_modem: there is no 'why' for it
mircea_popescu: but there are these people in the middle, who either because they're young, or because they're marginally educated, or marginally intelligent, don't really find themselves in a position of serene immunity.
ascii_modem: largely it is the croak if frogs
mircea_popescu: i mean, the written output of the bezzle world is not about convincing, or for that matter even fooling mp.
mircea_popescu: either this guy is dumb or the most bald faced scammer ever. seriously, that's how prices work ?
mircea_popescu: "So they claim it's because they want to drive down salaries. But if you talk to startups, you find practically every one over a certain size has gone through legal contortions to get programmers into the US, where they then paid them the same as they'd have paid an American. Why would they go to extra trouble to get programmers for the same price? "
mircea_popescu: and i have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort libtards have put into trying to break down functional society ?
mircea_popescu: "The anti-immigration people have to invent some explanation to account for all the effort technology companies have expended trying to make immigration easier. "
ascii_modem: perl and the like cannot really die; the human folly that makes them irresistible for some folks - is immortal
mircea_popescu: such an improbable feat, that, if you think of it. most of the bad languages i met in my adolescence are dead and im not even old yet!
ascii_modem: aha, recall naggum's picture of 'thriving perl ecosystem' as, iirc, a carcass in the sun alive with vermin
mircea_popescu: *: decimation thinks that time horizon has already been reached <<< pretty much. i dun know any great programmers that want to go to the us. i know some great progreammers stuck i nthere that haven't yet figured that yes, they can leave
mircea_popescu: im fucking excited to see these guy's monthly report for dec or jan or whenever's next
ascii_modem: afaik he wrote the basic picture
mircea_popescu: cazalla: well, that didn't take long.. bitcoinfoundation.org has redesigned their website yet again <<< gotta do something...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's "whatsoever" sucks, not least of all because it creates hole for various gnomes to shoehorn their stuff in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform https://twitter.com/LizardMafia/status/548523618901454848 << i'm kinda curious, do you feel responsible for the naming convention ?
mircea_popescu: "You need to learn an important lesson and it will not be complete until you are completely humiliated -- or you figure out that what you have done is so bad and stupid that you simply leave us alone until the shame wears off." << surprising naggum never made the next logical step into bdsm.
mircea_popescu: "Why do you need to have this pointed out in public after you demonstrate again and again that you do not understand what you are saying, cannot do what you say "is not option", and continue to blame others for your behavior?" could have been removed without loss, for instance. parsimony is a great approach, especially when dealing with idiots.
mircea_popescu: re the "turned their nose, mainly on account of these pieces", there is something in there i can see as well. it could be reduced to mere bad writing, but otherwise there's this recursive insistence on boring, banal shit that gives the impression the guy's not quite... you know, queenheaded.
mircea_popescu: hm, from asciilifeform's naggum link. "The moralist would not _be_ a moralist if he were willing to abide by and obey the rules he thinks that other people should follow."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-12-2014#960841 << or, for that matter, eskimo bob. he had that good dose of very angry ready to explode stalker. rob viragh is much more of a dribble, kinda difficult to distinguish from the "michael kors backpacks" flowing mindlessly every which way on the internet.
assbot: Logged on 26-12-2014 19:13:33; asciilifeform: 'For us as the Reserve Bank... ...we'll have to figure out how we make money because the way we generate most of our revenue is through forms of seigniorage, people are willing to hold currency free of interest and that's how we make money...'
mircea_popescu: t anyway, since you seem to be pretty much the balance of still active freenode staff : rather than wasting time on this nonsense of some kid that thinks banal netbios ddos makes him a wizard (which i think has outlived its charm anyway)
mircea_popescu: i was waiting for that absolute becoming comparable at the hands of the internet busineseers.
mircea_popescu: well, the most encrypted cloud storage.
thestringpuller: another ycombinator thing?
mircea_popescu: davout: who decided, and why, that the contents should be gpg signed ? << oh for cryssakes it was in the log like 20 times.
thestringpuller: it's not on the schedule tho :(
decimation: well, from the press reports, he seems to be the model that isis is using on their side of the war (wrt random brutality), and it seems to be working for them
decimation: ascii_modem: lol he was too much for the SS colonels
mircea_popescu: is this the guy that got beaten to death by teh frenchies ?
decimation: if in the sense of 'have, but can't use', I agree
mircea_popescu: decimation seems a distinction without a difference in the context.
decimation: I don't agree. there are plenty of men, but none of them would be willing to give up their lives to further the cause of the transgendered in syria
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem i've not seen many exterminators scurrying to scuttle their embassy or anything like that.
mircea_popescu: the us does not contain enough men today.
mircea_popescu: by the way : i've been reading chinese magazines, in the sense of looking at the pictures.
decimation: but the us is not so willing.
decimation: re: orcs in the desert << the us could roll them over in about 2 days if the us were willing to commit the men & willing to actually fight to win
mircea_popescu: watch us foreign policy around china and you'll get a pretty good idea of how the war'd go. according to both parties.
ascii_modem: as seen by the patients
mircea_popescu: not only are there ~3 armies it could never touch, but it's getting humiliated on a regular basis by the orks in the desert.
decimation: it does seem that the us generally puts much weight on 'but they would never do that' in its foreign strategy
mircea_popescu: what the hell is this war planning where "willing and able" are ifs on the part of the enemy ?
decimation: in which case, it would make a hell of alot more sense for the us to be stamping out thousands of f-16s for each 1 f-35
decimation: I would grant that it is likely that if the us went to war against someone who would be willing & able to shoot down satellites then the us would find itself suddenly back into an air attrition war with human-piloted planes
decimation: well, the problem ai planes & ai soldiers is that the poorly wrought heuristics that went into the design would quickly be learned and exploited by the enemy
decimation: ascii_modem: true. that's why ideally your robot plane ought to be able to operate without comms to the greatest extent possible
mircea_popescu: t incidentally, how recent are these complains ? vandal seems to have moved on maybe a week or two ago.
ascii_modem: the whole robot war thing -only- 'works' for usg or similar vs unarmed or max iron age folks
decimation: well, that's the obvious weak spot in a remote control aircraft
mircea_popescu: decimation is this "proper secure comms" thing like the holy sacrament ?
decimation: re: air war attrition << manned aircraft are on the way out anyway, with proper secure comms and a decent AI, a robot army of aircraft makes more sense
mircea_popescu: t there yu go ^
ben_vulpes: aside from experimentally kicking everyone one at a time, logging in and finding the culprit.
ben_vulpes: t: any chance you can make freenode autocloak people? i don't see the value in exposing everyone's IPs.
ascii_modem: one of the idlers is a vandalbot
mircea_popescu: t let me find you the relevant discussion in #freenode.
t: people keep turning up complaining guys here are ddosing them, so what's going on with that?
t: ben_vulpes: so what's the channel for?
decimation: lower the powerful to their own level, and reduces men to prefer equality in slavery to inequality with freedom." - de Tocqueville
decimation: ascii_modem: ephialtes doesnt care abou straightening own back - knows it's a fantasy - but happy to turn everyone else into hunchback. << "There is, in fact, a manly and lawful passion for equality which excites men to wish all to be powerful and honoured. This passion tends to elevate the humble to the rank of the great; but there exists also in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to attempt to
t: so, what's bitcoin-assets all about then?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did you break the 30 minute thing ?
ben_vulpes: "no u guise seriously i do everything the way lizard hitler insists"
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [19:31:50] these are not convertible to btc except via humiliating pederast temples << lol i love this routine
ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/01/espn-sold-their-bitcoins/ << purchaser of the contract is nowhere to be found lol
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the misbehaving nerd who imagines his school experience is life experience. "oh, he wouldn't REALLY punch me in the face."
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
ben_vulpes: unmanned vehicles can pull arbitrary g loads, and be made across the spectrum of capability in a way that the manned vehicles currently aren't (probably couldn't be, due to procurement processes).
mircea_popescu: rented fucking aircraft! BY THE SEAT!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the most successful airstrike in human history
ben_vulpes is no wwii japanese historian either
ben_vulpes: bamboo suicide planes, the stories hold.
mircea_popescu: but to be a warlike country that'd require warlike men. and that is not something the current us can support.
ben_vulpes: let's not forget the nips.
mircea_popescu: the correct focus, when it comes to airfight, is cheapness. as the germans well proved, and then the allies well learned from them.
mircea_popescu: this plain fact meeting the us' unwillingness to actually fight created a mirage : the jet fighter that's not really a jet fighter
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: the point is that "stealth" merely reduces the cross section, doesn't render things invisible.
ben_vulpes: come now, the obsession with stealth is a great indicator of how moronic US armsmithing's become.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the discussion can't possibly reach those merits,
mircea_popescu: the problem of f-35 is "transgender rights" and "women in tech" and "check your priviledge"
mircea_popescu: this constant trying to unload blame for very personal, very peculiar, very speciffic and very narrow incompetence and idiocy on facts of math, physics and the world generally is ridoinculous.
ascii_modem: but by and for folks occasionally working in difficult domains where no other model fits
ascii_modem: clos was not conceived by or for semiliterate labourers, like other 'object' systems