Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, reads like the only reasonable answer so far
thestringpuller: allegory of the cave shit yo
thestringpuller: where you get unplugged and see all this crazy shit and at some point you hack back in and see all the dumb people completely unaware of there shit
thestringpuller: reading stuff like this makes me think of the matrix
Apocalyptic: as sensible as the whole statement
Apocalyptic: cazalla, even "It is a possibility that the MP argument is a virtually literal strawman, atop a bonfire, to fuel a flame war that drives up his LTC holdings." ?
thestringpuller: "It looks like he made his goal in life to be the most detestable person in the internet. (Methinks he is still nowhere near that rank, though.) However he is a precious resource, as an expert bitcoiner who enjoys kicking some of the most sacred cows in bitcoinland."
assbot: Are we witnessing the beginning of a civil buttcoin war? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1wHVxQn )
cazalla: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2rys7y/are_we_witnessing_the_beginning_of_a_civil/
mircea_popescu: yes, well, putin is running a country. if you're running a country too, by all means, cover all bets to the degree he does.
mircea_popescu: nah, the old world's bitcoin is an unexpressed mix of contracts and reputation.
adlai: it got me wondering what the old world's bitcoin is, and the least senseless answer is 'bitcoin'
mircea_popescu: i was thinking that as i wrote, but then dropped. yes, an apt analogy in many ways. very inept in others tho
adlai: gold is the old world's litecoin
mircea_popescu: it could. not in their hands it won't.
mircea_popescu: the exact thing played out once before, "it's cool though, they're ditching bdb, im sure whatever they replace it iwth will do a better job"
joecool: it's cool though, they are ditching openssl, i'm sure whatever they replace it with will do a better job :)
mircea_popescu: joecool anyway, the objection generally given to change in that spot ("that the code being merely correct is not enough assurance") is logically valid.
decimation: Mr. Obama will also outline proposals to tackle identity theft and expand Internet access.The proposals are part of a White House preview of Mr. Obama’s annual State of the Union address, to be delivered Jan. 20.
joecool: mircea_popescu: i built core off libressl, the response was "it builds?"
mircea_popescu: no chance of it, either.
mircea_popescu: gold has a problem of demographic. the only people that think gold is functionally useful as a monetary metal are poor. they may be a numerous echelon, relatively speaking, what's left of the upper middle class proceeding on vague intuition and memories. however, they're poor.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla bwahaha slander! i'll bet you 1btc straight up they don't do it this month.
mircea_popescu: xiando: I thought I'd mention that openssl 1.0.1k apparently breaks bitcoin-core << this, of coruse, was discussed for the past few days :)
decimation: but the little people in usg find that 'unfair'
mircea_popescu: cheeky politicos you got over there.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 18:56:19; decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
decimation: "But investigators concluded that, whether or not the disclosure harmed national security, it amounted to a significant security breach in the office of one of the nation’s most trusted intelligence leaders. They recommended that Mr. Petraeus face charges, saying lower-ranking officials had been prosecuted for far less."
decimation: asciilifeform, others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_ULtNYRCbg << dude made a complete word processor in minecraft, using 'redstone logic'
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mircea_popescu: a few century later, "circus" means a place where everything's quiet. because a simple walk down the street makes one's head spin.
mircea_popescu: to illustrate : suppose i am me, and i happen to believe that all females should spend a decade right after puberty nude at all times. i happen to be rich, and mindful of my beliefs. while i accept that i can't oder people around, i also expect them to respect my disposition of my own property. and so my will reads, that all my stuff is to be inherited by so and so successors, provided at all times all females pubescen
mircea_popescu: the dead are at the following advantage over the living : they don't feel any pressure to change their views.
gribble: wn: mortmain n 1: real property held inalienably (as by an ecclesiastical corporation) [syn: {mortmain}, {dead hand}] 2: the oppressive influence of past events or decisions [syn: {dead hand}, {dead hand of the past}, {mortmain}]
mircea_popescu: that had to be excised specifically, which is how the wills practice got to be so insanely complicated, the us practitioners pretty much gave up.
mircea_popescu: the reaction ? make wills reference the throne succession. so wills would be as good as the lifetime of the dynasty.
mircea_popescu: on the principle that nothing that is is forever, and so...
mircea_popescu: but how ? and they came to the idea to make it vest in a definite relation to a definitely existing thing
mircea_popescu: one example : original legislation to defend the living against mortmain holdings required all wills vest
mats: i pity the research assistant
mircea_popescu: you know a simple summary of all the many ways english barristers tried to use the crown as a fixed point to unseat the lawe would be dazzling.
mats: disposition of College lands ... as part of the original sale, Magdalene College had made an intermediate transfer to Queen Elizabeth with the deliberate intention of bypassing the statute.
mats: > concerned land in London which Henry VIII had gifted to Thomas, Lord Audley, as a reward ... By his will, Audley left the land to Magdalene College, Cambridge, but the college subsequently sold the land and some of it was acquired, indirectly, by the Earl of Oxford. Magdalene College challenged Oxford's title on the basis of a statute which prohibited the
mats: whoops ... wrong one. i'm reading about the Earl of Oxford's case
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, the relative failure of foss is strictly due to the incongruous and often misshapen radical leftist ideas of stallman. had that thing been "the same old gospel of individualism, small government, and market fundamentalism that we associate with Randian characters" it'd not be struggling covered under a pile of open source.
mircea_popescu: "The enduring emptiness of our technology debates has one main cause, and his name is Tim OReilly."
assbot: Logged on 10-07-2014 16:05:38; asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: only worth reading if there's a source other than alexander lebed circa 1997.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i shudder at the thought at how comparatively harder and humoruless-er my life would have been, had i chanced to live among sane people.
mircea_popescu: still, they're funny. guy derps about how "concerns echoed again and again are ignored!!11" and is amazed. then people echo again and again the concern that "wtf loosen up" and "why are you publishing some guy's emails ?" which he... amazingly... ignores. why ?
mircea_popescu: tl;dr : gnome twerp is "Id strongly encourage you to refrain from such comments in the future.", because that's how the world works nao.
mircea_popescu: http://opensourcetogo.blogspot.com.ar/2009/07/emailing-richard-stallman.html << some of the lulzier (because vintage) drama.
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:41; asciilifeform: t only outside of the sanitaria.'
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: eased with their mediocrity. 'But this fellow from the desert!' (Interestingly, that among the hundreds of tyrants, in uniform and without, depending on the united states or the european sanitaria, none provoke a fraction of the wrath caused by Kaddafi. Evidently, the cause is his independence.) Kaddafi - is an extraordinary living proof of the fact that the fairy-tale version of life remains possible
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: a videoclip of a fairy tale coming true... ...they [americans] also wish to drive around in jeeps, accompanied by squadrons of hotties in berets with kalashnikovs - but are impotent from birth. Envy, taken with an understanding of one's own powerless... easily transforms into hatred. The leaders of the sanitarium are easier for the 'patient' to understand, closer. He sees their permissible pecadillos,
assbot: Logged on 21-03-2014 17:44:35; asciilifeform: 'When the glorious Muammar Kaddafi, in his blue bournouse, or in his uniform, appear on the telly, the domesticated inhabitant of the sanitaria jerks from fright. 'Monster,' 'terrorist,' 'evildoer,' public enemy number one - the media calls him, led by its disdain for all that is envigorating (and, on top of it all, foreign), and pushed by false information supplied by CIA... ...his very existence is
mircea_popescu: in my limited experience with harems and the people keeping them, you can more or less get a trial run. especially as a young, entused woman.
asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
mircea_popescu: this proves harem in the sense person offering large stores of grain to dissinterested cad thereby proves cat's a farmer.
asciilifeform: through the sword i listen to wtf he is actually saying.
asciilifeform: weak rhetoric, but he wields the zapper.
mircea_popescu: well yeah, so, i don't understand wtf he's saying either.
asciilifeform: 'the spartan - speaks with his sword.'
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt half his closest collaborators grok what he means on the strenght of his text. you yourself, i suspect, followed the logic of the situaiton not the logic of his words.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's characteristically weak in the rhetorics involved.
asciilifeform: mats: gcc... a) i dont get it... << what's the hard concept here? rms wishes to avoid gcc turning into a sweet and defenceless piece of candy for the 'embrace & extend/extinguish' folks.
asciilifeform recalls now the discussion of 'what do the mega-miners run, and why should they ever wish to tell us'
mircea_popescu: then there was a group of youthful men doing what seemed clumsy but well meaning stuff
mircea_popescu: first, there was one man, who couldn't code, doing idiotic things like windows and qt.
mircea_popescu: not astonishing in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: yes, actuyally, they have. here even, publicly and explicitly.
asciilifeform: has anyone considered how preposterous the entire notion is, of bitcoin depending in the least bit on crud in external libs that can change on a whim ?
mircea_popescu: the asking is public, let teh enemy pluck its hairs.
asciilifeform: unless you'd like to hire them in pairs.
asciilifeform: i expect to be a minority of one on this, but i'd much rather see it done by one of the folks here, than by a great sage who may or may not have been suborned (or shall be as soon as enemy gets wind of intention)
mats: but yes, i agree with the premise re: gendarmerie
mats: asciilifeform: ive only seen this specific issue get airtime in the last few months
mircea_popescu: unless there's some sort of major backdoor in wuille's ecdsa implementation...
mircea_popescu: is a good idea on the grounds that it provides us with a well-written,
mircea_popescu: opinion that migrating Bitcoin Core to libsecp256k1 in the near future
mircea_popescu: Wuille's recent findings¹ CVE-2014-3570 - strong evidence of the
assbot: MassPrivateI: Mass. law enforcement agencies claim they're corporations and they're exempt from FOIA requests ... ( http://bit.ly/14D8PX1 )
asciilifeform: -- 'soft' fork on some other minor point, boil frog more slowly.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2015 08:24:54; mircea_popescu: he's prolly aiming for putting it in by february, but won't actually have the tech resources to do it and rather than risk a total humiliatory blowout delay it to march
BingoBoingo: Everyone knows you have them.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo let me dig up my own words from the damned logs
asciilifeform: iirc rms is concerned about something quite valid - gcc has excellent front-end and ast-level optimizations, while at the same time, a middling-to-poor set of back-ends (depending on cpu arch)
mircea_popescu: sounds like the true c compiler!
mircea_popescu: im still there
mircea_popescu: i have not looked at the matter in at least 3 years. does llvm still own gcc much to everyone's chagrin and denial ?
mats: id like to see gcc contribs move over to llvm, if for no other reason than to motivate both parties
mircea_popescu: mebbe they could call it gccemacsd
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gcc-emacs merger seems slowly but surely emergent
mircea_popescu: apparently there's some debate about ast output in gcc.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. so, stallman-gcc, is at odds with stallman-emacs and they don';t wanna talk inside his head because cacti ?
mircea_popescu: obviously, on a strategic plane the difference would be "stop making broken by design software ; behead all the shitgnomes ; adopt bitcoin as us currency" etc.
mircea_popescu: wtf is the difference.
mats: ...suggesting that computers as they are can be proportionally defended, rather than a contest of risk management and attack surface
mircea_popescu: "fix the damned software" "nu-uh, we'd rather look for bugs in the chinese's" "they're using the same shit, you know"
mircea_popescu: experience over the past few years shows that answer is generally yes
TomServo: kakobrekla | i just find the whole fetch command thing silly. << If it was named scoopdog that'd be one thing...
mircea_popescu: so thinking further on the project to compare ecdsa libraries from yest... i guess the best thing would be to email respectable crypto people see if they want to do it as a contracted job. anyone wish to make recommendations ?
xe4l: mircea_popescu: if the endpoint isn't doing anything, the software saturates the encrypted tunnel up to the same traffic volume/patter/protocol
asciilifeform: xe4l: then enemy relocates to the other end of the connection and proceeds to do - whatever he was originally to do at your end
xe4l: mircea_popescu: oh the point would be that a sniffer would either see say 1mbit full duplex say ipsec traffic
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 04:40:04; *: asciilifeform rather thinks that this is a military matter, where adversary can afford to ransack and search 100 houses but not 100,000, and hence his gathering bits of info - matters
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i got a piece of junk mail once, advertising specially-made capsules (for folks who have no idea how to use a saw or glue?) for buring rifles. << Obvious hypothesis, they found a Wasp cache and kept the rifles
mircea_popescu: xe4l i don't get what the attacker is supposed to think here. "oh, it's ok, that's just what that weird node does" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture the fool who buys this, with his credit card, has it sent, etc.
decimation: asciilifeform: what is comcast's 'secret' bandwidth cap these days? a few hundred gigabytes per month
xe4l: asciilifeform: it was a crude example, a proper implementation would do fancy shaping, but normalize the overall traffic pattern; I'm sure residential providers wouldn't like this, but MPLS/VPLS, metro-e, routing over peering/IX - it's irrelevant
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's an excellent approach to make the point.
asciilifeform: wasn't on a list the day before, and now you are.
decimation: who is 'they', and what are you transmitting or receiving?
asciilifeform: xe4l: let's start with the fact that 10mb/s will instantly promote you to your isp's 'hog list' in some, if not all, isp
mircea_popescu: i guess something on udp then
xe4l: what I'm talking about is simply providing less information, right now all of our connectivity generates a substantional amount of noise that can be intperetered, my thought is to shift that to, they are transmitting and receiving or they aren't
mircea_popescu: "david has a mental issue that makes him see vivid scenes from literature and also forces him to write about himself in the third person."
mircea_popescu: David is on track to retire in two years from investing in bitcoins. David wants to help you understand the once in a lifetime opportunity this digital currency revolution provides."
mircea_popescu: http://www.benzinga.com/news/14/02/4346277/bitcoins-shocking-resilience-and-achilles-heel << one of the most idiotic articles on btc
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 05:22:48; mircea_popescu: Fun noobs have a reputation of wishing to get involved in the most complex end of any matter first thing.
mircea_popescu: in general, to keep 99% out of any attacker's hands you'll need to spend 100x what they spend.
mircea_popescu: i think you will soon discover if you ever get to the practical side of things that denying ALL INFORMATION to an undefined attacker is a function of infinite budgets.
xe4l: the size, shape, duration, timing, etc of our traffic, no matter how encrypted still provides a wealth of information
mircea_popescu: xe4l i guess i don't understand what the purpose would be
xe4l: talking about how you deal with protocol timing attacks would go more with the buried treasure opsec concept
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But since the founders made the Keybase abomination, I want to find out how much their original venture lies
mircea_popescu: xe4l there's a deeper point involved here. stealth does not work in and of itself, as a strategy. if you want safety, you deploy an army. if you want to play the stealthy, you attach yourself to something with an army.
assbot: Here's part n of our endless saga, aptly titled "The People Know Shit" or alternatively "Nothing's Dumber Than The Voice In The Crowd". pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AUMssM )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://trilema.com/2015/heres-part-n-of-our-endless-saga-aptly-titled-the-people-know-shit-or-alternatively-nothings-dumber-than-the-voice-in-the-crowd/#comment-111340 he's right isn't he ? 1400 btc the most ever bet in a single bet on bitbet innit ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nominally they accept Bitcoin and the same founders also made the Keybase.io thing. Gotta see if the average man on it looks worse than an ungulate.
asciilifeform: xe4l: were you here for the 'buried treasure' thread ?
asciilifeform: xe4l: let's imagine we were. wouldn't discussing it here defeat the purpose of the exercise ?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Related: We just detected that youre now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama. << ahahaha wut.
BingoBoingo: Related: We just detected that youre now among the most attractive people on OkCupid. << Profile picture is a Llama. Not metaphorically or anything. Picture is actual shaggy Llama.
BingoBoingo: It's systemd all over again. Work is their enemy. Enemy is merely interested in producing anti-work.
asciilifeform: the muppets' work? sure. handlers? could extract it (from where? don't look at me) and put in their hands
decimation: asciilifeform: based on their current work 'output' that scenario seems very unlikely
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> at any rate, why would the phoundation's handlers cut their funding now ? << Hearding 101. If the sheep don't want to move on you let them get hungry in their overgrazed pasture. Makes them more receptive to new grass.
decimation: what would a 'wunderwaffen' even be like? some kind of fatal bug they secretly fixed?
asciilifeform: unless they have a replacement muppet brigade on hot spare
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wunderwaffen that doesn't have to defeat the enemy, but look impressibe - is a little easier.
asciilifeform: xe4l: do read the linked threads.
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'disregard x years and you'll never see the difference' is sop on usg projects.
asciilifeform: they could try to worm out of this tight spot by coughing up a 'wunderwaffen'
mircea_popescu: outside of handwaves and "it has been covered in previous posts", three years of "development" can readily be discarded and nobody'd know the difference.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this approach is that once challenged, they can not i nfact produce a list of what they did.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a point of strategy, which i think everyone'll appreciate cuz it's lulzy. so : the scam foundation and its merry band of power rangers have very carefully constructed this situation where "nobody knows" what's what and whence it came and where it's going, because they (wrongly) perceived that ownership of an opaque codebase will guarantee them control and continued relevance.
asciilifeform: but no warez behind the names, naturally
asciilifeform: but the playlists in question were a fashion where kids posted them on their 'look i have a w3bs1t311111'
mircea_popescu: i still have them
asciilifeform: cve is the sec. research equivalent of the 1990s 'winamp playlist' (who remembers these ?)
asciilifeform: this goes beyond the merely suspicious or ill-reputed, but is shitgnomery plain as daylight
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yteah i am quite unhappy with an' suspicious of the current avenues for fixing "open source" software.
mircea_popescu: (the take forever to verify tx thing)
asciilifeform: with 'the full dirt' presumably stowed away somewhere far.
asciilifeform: a 'chinese encyclopaedia' of, for the most part, mystery meats
asciilifeform: the whole cve paradigm is pure nsa, incidentally
asciilifeform: the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable'
asciilifeform: anyone else puzzled that nowhere on the net - including above 'canonical' page - tells us wtf it did, in detail ?
asciilifeform: (the duplicate nonce thing)
asciilifeform: that was another one.
mircea_popescu: so what you can spend other people's change ?
asciilifeform: walletron doesn't belong in the net stack. or on that box at all.
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:06:33; asciilifeform: decimation: in my (now very old) plan for rewrite, there were to be two machines
asciilifeform: change predictability << personally i'd like to see the problem solved in the civilized way. i.e. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890278
mircea_popescu: send to the list, signed.
asciilifeform: one of you will have to pick the new string.
asciilifeform: mod6: i'm leaving this for the folks actually involved
mod6: asciilifeform: ah ok. hmm. well, too late to go back and edit the 1st patch. but i guess you can submit another that resolves that issue.
mod6: yup, shouldn't be an issue for you. we'd love the help.
mod6: if persons submitting patches do not have L2 trust with assbot they may be submitted directly to me, and I will review. and will probably have to sponsor said patch myself.
mod6: joecool: here's a guide to submitting a patch: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-December/000022.html
asciilifeform: mod6: presently it spits out the traditional one. perhaps this should change at some point.
mod6: the list is getting lengthy, but we're not going anywhere, so we've got time.
mod6: joecool: not at this time, but that might get added to the list at some point.
mircea_popescu: weren't they working on 5.9 ?
joecool: mod6: are there plans to patch things like change predictability?
BingoBoingo: beautyon: mircea_popescu laid out basics, but more guides written differently could help more innocents get the picture http://trilema.com/2015/if-you-go-on-a-bitcoin-fork-irrespective-which-scammer-proposes-it-you-will-lose-your-bitcoins/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets. << Nah, you get the lawyer in personal ESPECIALLY when you don't have assets
beautyon: By the way, are you going to publish a low level guide to warn everyone thinking about "upgrading" to the fork? Forearmed is forearmed.
mircea_popescu: sure, personal's anothermatter, especially if you had any assets.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> you actually do better by not even hiring a lawyer. << Personal bankruptcy differs in that you get a lawyer because it compells phone spam aggro to their number and not yours
mod6: <+joecool> mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks??? << yup.
BingoBoingo: Oh he got the whole farm
BingoBoingo: Murckckkck left the Fundnation
mircea_popescu: actually... quarter i guess. buncha people left last year too didn't they. is murky boy still involved ?
mircea_popescu: the half or so that's left, anyway.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, i marked mtgox for death in april, they struggled to prop it for six months before abandoning it ignominously, i do not believe they do not know they can not stand.
mircea_popescu: yeah, a lot of ground has been lost since the hearn attack.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: I don't see how they could not know. I mean they can't even get their favorite to stop bleeding because they pay $145/CPM for TV marketing
beautyon: BingoBoingo: That realization will make them even MOAR furious. They are out of time, and these silly associations are window dressing at best.
assbot: HashFast - or why the fiat legal system doesn't actually exist and doesn't actually matter pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1xZFUK5 )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hashfast-or-why-the-fiat-legal-system-doesnt-actually-exist-and-doesnt-actually-matter/
mircea_popescu: beautyon anyway, for a very instructive example of how the courts work for bitcoin "captn's of industry", there's that recent hashfast debacle
BingoBoingo: They never really had control of anything.
beautyon: Their loss of control is going to harden their attitudes. I can't wait to see them squirm.
BingoBoingo: Ah, the comedian
assbot: 2/ the answer is not to ignore them or fight them. the answer is to educate them, inform them, and work with them
mircea_popescu: beautyon who then ? that guy with a blog, whatever it was called ?
mircea_popescu: in the most recent monthly address
mircea_popescu: iirc mod6 reported that this is now the case
joecool: mircea_popescu: nice domain for the foundation, did you guys actually fix 0.5.3 to fetch all blocks???
beautyon: Andressen, Wilson, Brito: two multi millionaire Statists and a Washington wonk, hell bent on the law. It will be interesting to see if they are for fork / suicide.
decimation: I wonder why there is so much action against gold
mircea_popescu: they recently announced "they will focus on btc core", ie, "we can't afford anything past gavin's salary". and not even that for all of 2015.
mircea_popescu: vessenes' outta dough, the rest of the scammers involved are barely solvent and burried under tons of lawsuits (karpeles, caleb, ver, kenna, you name it)
beautyon: mircea_popescu: as long as it stays on Reddit that's fine. They had better prepare to back down quickly, or suffer losses. Sadly these feeble men run to the courts habitually which may or may not be a nuisance.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, bitcoin does have a standards body, http://thebitcoin.foundation/
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mircea_popescu: i fully expect them to try, fail, and then spend the next six months writing how mp is a scammer all over reddit/the boy's bathroom
mircea_popescu: as far as they're concerned, any stupidity they try is ok, "nobody could have foreseen it won't work" and it's putin's fault.
mircea_popescu: beautyon i don't think you understand how the us politico mind works.
BingoBoingo: beautyon: Well he can't quit without becoming a nobody so he prolly figures he might as well try to kill the thing himself.
beautyon: BingoBoingo: Then he should walk away. Unless he _likes_ being a lightning rod.
beautyon: mircea_popescu: Surely he must know in that case that he cannot possibly win and this change will be rejected. It means forsaking control of the future direction of the standard and ceding it to you.
mircea_popescu: i had plainly forgotten that article, imagine my surprise when i see an unfamilir title called up and the server actually respond.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just building a metaphor based on Past Trilema posts which is surprising easy when you write as much as you. I figure the Tundra artichokes can be worked into a sort of Tarqin/Poppy reference.
mircea_popescu: doubt they will. some pool ops might be clueless enough to try and hijack the network to please gavin/usg, but that's ok, they'll get shot later.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo am i thick or is the answer about as related to what it quotes as gavin's "covered" is related to economy ?