mircea_popescu: All of us at The Inn at Little Washington have much to be grateful for as we enter the new year. The Inn remains the longest-tenured Forbes Five Star and AAA Five Diamond restaurant in America. We possess the highest Zagat rating (29, 29, 29) in the world. Once again, The Inn has received The Washington Posts highest 4-star rating from restaurant reviewer Tom Sietsema. Most of us understand that, in todays wor
assbot: Chef Patrick O'Connell Questions Washingtonian's Ethics for Demoting the Inn at Little Washington | In the Magazine | Washingtonian ... ( http://bit.ly/1ADbL10 )
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonian.com/blogs/bestbites/in-the-magazine/was-washingtonian-unethical-to-demote-the-inn-at-little-washington.php
artifexd: One more question: Any objection to adding a timestamp to the trust ratings in gossipd?
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/fake%20nudists.jpg << check it out, the little girl has a vulva even!
mircea_popescu: they';re so common i'm persuaded a good fraction of local women actually go about the house in those things.
mircea_popescu: by the way : pretty much every kitchen shop here has, along the pots and pans, kitchen aprons.
asciilifeform: which mr. y will spend on six concubines fresh in their crates.
asciilifeform: no one will notice except for thiel, who will sign another cheque
asciilifeform: the yudkowsky cult is like 'borg' from 'star trek', digest and regurgitate everything. eventually they will annotate #b-a and claim that all of the interesting ideas belong to selves
gribble: Naturism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturism>; Natural state Synonyms, Natural state Antonyms | Thesaurus.com: <http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/natural+state>; Nudity - RationalWiki: <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Nudity>
mircea_popescu: ;;google nudism is the natural state
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
mircea_popescu: yeah html hates < separators. but for some reason they seem the best way to convey the intent here
artifexd: Tip to future copy/pasters: Don't include << in the text or everything after it will get routed to /dev/null
artifexd: mircea_popescu: A << in the logs caused http://trilema.com/2015/artifexd-a-better-ircd-rfc/#comment-111384 to get half eaten, so I reposted it without that line. Hence the double post.
mircea_popescu: i always liked the "fuck you, they're strings, and concatenation is the only operation" approach.
BingoBoingo: Maybe just a compulsive reloader? Perhaps some derp was serving one of our pages in their iframe?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i dunno, but it's a bw depletion rather than the prev ram/cpu/state depletion. doesn't seem to have done anything.
asciilifeform: goes great with 'telefunken' modem and other artifacts from alternate nazi universe
mats: fun fact: the python stdlib had an enigma implementation til 2.4
BingoBoingo: How'd they do it this time?
mircea_popescu: seems you're shoehorning the filesystem into it instead ?
asciilifeform: artifexd: the signature itself will almost certainly start life as a gpg output.
artifexd: What is the format of said document?
asciilifeform: artifexd: generally, one ought not to connect one's wot private key to an automated, net-live apparatus. hence you sign another key with it, and use that.
ben_vulpes: me i'm just fascinated that the savages can bang such arms together with basalt and obsidian
mircea_popescu: let A connect to B. let A pass a message to B in the format "A for X, sup". B must find in the hello message through which A connected to it a document where X signs A's privkey,
artifexd: mircea_popescu: can you elaborate on "a pgp-signed document by the for key certifying the validity of the IPs public key with an expiration unixtimev in case the for field differs and a nickname"?
ben_vulpes: in the game of retarded telephone that is the us link reposting scam masquerading as 'nooz'
asciilifeform: the unit cost of menstruettes is roughly same as cigarettes (afaik)
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/serialize.h#L90, https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/primitives/transaction.h#L259<< "HAI CAN I JAMZ THESE MEFFUDS IN HERE GUISE"
cazalla: ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model? <<< done
ben_vulpes: hey mircea_popescu what's the going rate for a box of tampons in bsas? the "tampon shortage" is making the rounds on jezebe
assbot: The aggressive Nazi-bred cows that caused havoc on a modern farm - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1KxvhSj )
asciilifeform: (why he has rifle? no reason. just found it, while derping his way through the war, miraculously avoiding ending up sausage)
asciilifeform: one memorable scene. germans waste a village, shown in glorious detail (complete with barns nailed shut, set alight, etc, etc). on their way out, get ambushed and mowed down. including their hot chick nurse, but she's not entirely dead. hero (boy) walks along and finds this. takes a look at the chick, who is bleeding and looking seductively at him. then he sees bandage pack on ground. decides to bandage broken stock of his rif
mircea_popescu: dude what do they have against bielorussians! it's always them getting fingers caught in doors.
mircea_popescu: "During WWII, a Belarusian boy is thrust into the atrocities of war, fighting with a hopelessly unequipped Soviet resistance movement against ruthless German forces. Witnessing scenes of abject terror and surviving horrifying situations, he loses his innocence and then his mind."
mircea_popescu: kinda surprised there's not more art dedicated to her. i'm unaware of more remarkable women in the xxth century.
mircea_popescu: generally i think of the girl that poisoned her brood.
asciilifeform has the utmost difficulty picturing a female nazi other than proverbial 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz'
asciilifeform: the california degenerates.
asciilifeform: not the having-money, but being part of that set, in my mind, is an indelible tarnish
asciilifeform: lanier, in particular, isn't a muppet, and even had a number of public good points (wrote at length re: the degeneracy of pediwikia, etc) - but, while reading his material, i continuously found myself asking 'why does this man have money'
asciilifeform: who imagine themselves 'lead thinkers'
mircea_popescu: is it that wikipedia has found the bewst way to do this ? or is it that once they did it everyone can follow in that wake ?
mircea_popescu: obviously it will have to, it's a non profit. no issue with the substance. the form struck me tho.
mircea_popescu: sleeker than wikipedia's tho. the definitely web 1.0 look of gnu.org helps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so i follow your link to gnu.org, top of the page ? a very wikipedia-ish request for donations.
mircea_popescu: that's how he fucking confuses thiel and kelly. they're all digested, right ? same thing!
mircea_popescu: check this out, the digested.
asciilifeform: i actually own a copy of, i shit thee not, 'webtv for dummies'
asciilifeform: there are several, afaik independent, lines of 'for idiots' works
mircea_popescu: what, they print army manuals too /
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i somehow lived life and avoided learning that the fellow who prints the (now mostly junk) books with the animal line drawings on the covers is a demented sv sc4mz0r; or that morozov existed at all
mircea_popescu: no, it's simply looking at the life of one evgheny morozov. for you see stan, little zenja was a country boy that got himself mixed up in the high stakes game of anglo propaganda and intenrational diplomacy!
asciilifeform: pocahontas << is this the old russian prison quiz, 'fork in yer eye or once up yer arse ?'
mircea_popescu: here's a question, btw : what's better, to be running the proverbial taxi in new york ? or to be in a later generation, playing exactly the role of pocahontas to various ngos, "look at this nigger injun, how like our own kids he is, and how pretty in that dress!" ?
mircea_popescu: as late as 1880 it was held that such option is not on the table
asciilifeform: in one sense, jurists have things easy re: mortmain; they at least have the option of going 'no more'
mircea_popescu: the traditional answer is no.
mircea_popescu: if you get married, which is to say, BORROW a woman from her father, and swear an oath
asciilifeform: as mere aesthetic preference, i'd rather if folks were able to be honest with themselves and others re: their motivations. but i did not fight rms's war, cannot say 'he oughta have....'
mircea_popescu: anyway, for whatever reason, things still are what they are.
asciilifeform: i suspect that he spun the whole thing as 'moral philosophy' because if he had readily admitted that gpl was merely a successful hack against usg's 'laws', he would have been killed.
mircea_popescu: pretending the contrary is fine, if one so prefers, but it's still mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: but these aren't a moral philosophy.
mircea_popescu: your " without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers" is exactly equivalent i suspect to what i call who are you again ? fuck off, I don't give a shit" sort of approach to third parties of any man owning a computer
asciilifeform: to follow the analogy, rms was offered computer that came with 'strings' - promise not to xxx, etc. went off to make own.
asciilifeform: then presumably he made some oath in return ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i make computers, and decide to not sell them. what now ?
mircea_popescu: there must be some sort of code somewhere.
asciilifeform doesn't go in for the whole 'rights' paradigm and isn't terribly fond of proceeding in that framework
mircea_popescu: but this is a summary instead of the thing.
asciilifeform: rms was speaking of the right to do as you will with things that are physically yours, without gestapo suddenly breaking down the door and demanding to see if you've multiplied unauthorized numbers
mircea_popescu: state the rms "ethical consideration" w/e it is. "nobody may forbid anyone's access to written strings" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in one aspect. now make an ethical distinction / moral rule (really nfi why they keep derping about ethics, its all a moral consideration) that resolves that while preserving my slave's thigh.
asciilifeform: it's about the inevitable war of the state and its shitminions vs. the concept of the general-purpose computer.
ben_vulpes: also hey qntra would you drop gravatar for the "here's my domain, please serve domain/avatar.png" icon model?
asciilifeform: ^ about something rather else
asciilifeform: the thing rms was trying to kill in, say, 'right to read', is still alive and well.
mircea_popescu: and in the end it killed ms, but then... google was born, and apple was reborn, and here we are.
mircea_popescu: the situation was microsoft or go hang yourself, to which a lot of people who didn't particularly wish to hang themselves reacted as best they could,
asciilifeform: see the semmelweis example. it doesn't much matter that he advocated 'wash hands' because the cockroaches and spiders in his head told him to, rather than some better reason.
mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
mircea_popescu: neither of it enacts rms as some sort of Jesus unless im missing a lot ?
asciilifeform: they go unchecked because he has independent income.
asciilifeform: he has some rather peculiar and sometimes contradictory logic behind the -why- of what he does, but so did semmelweis.
mircea_popescu: i guess "important" is not the best word, as im discussing size-importance.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 04:41:46; asciilifeform: naggum had a piece where he confessed to thinking of 'open source' as a weapon, purpose-built for the destruction of a particular evil (microshit)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but listen. just because the tiny nation of romania made the famine at leningrad possible doth not mean romania was an IMPORTANT player in ww2.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more like, proving that he can STILL do it.
asciilifeform: apple's bsd fork is the likely model
thestringpuller: This is about Gavin proving he can hijack the Bitcoin network to whomever his handler may be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'at no point was the FSF an important force on the field.' << though history isn't an experimental science, we are getting a kind of picture of what we may have ended up with much sooner, without rms
thestringpuller: this has nothing to do with the block size anymore does it?
mircea_popescu: check out the many ways you can lose "intellectual battles" lol.
mircea_popescu: "MP def lost the intellectual battle by the brag of wealth as his last effort to win."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect that the only reason we do not yet have 'mandatory' national altcoins is that lizardhitler still hopes to wind back clock to '08 or the like
mircea_popescu: the great gift of satoshi is exactly that : we finally have a tool whereby idiots can only hurt themselves.
asciilifeform: i'm not sure why it even matters what the gavinists do, so long as the original blockchain continues to run as designed. it then remains a 'hawala' between actual people, and zimbabwe can do whatever
mircea_popescu: wtf are we here, to entertain the world ?
mircea_popescu: the sec changes its procedures to accomodate my dictates.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter c) there's already precedent, the "poor users" who wanted to play but didn't want to pay tx fees were given free stuff before.
mircea_popescu: because a) poor workers, they need it and b) not agreeing would be being against expanded usage of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: so what's next, if this somehow succeeds ? two years from now, liberia uses bitcoin as nat'l currency, suddenly the workers go on strike, ask for double salaries. govt asks gavin to fork btc to give them an extra one-off five million btc to pay the workers.
thestringpuller: and people kinda just push it under the carpet
thestringpuller: yea it's even linked in the fork off thread
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/auxiliary-block-increasing-max-block-size-with-softfork.164883/ (the point that you don't REALLY need to fork bitcoin to "enlarge blocks" is acutally 2 years old)
ben_vulpes: "useful fool" is a phrase asciilifeform's to describe the type
undata: thestringpuller: compromised how?
mircea_popescu: people just don't like to read do they.
mircea_popescu: - Support for the fork should be overwhelming. If 95% of the users agree with the fork, the 5% that don't are pretty much forced to participate. Sure, they can keep running the non-forked version, but coins on that chain will be unlikely to keep their value."
mircea_popescu: "I don't think a hard fork would be very difficult, but only if the following two points are taken into account:
ben_vulpes: i guess it works if your goal is to suck the conqueror's cocks.
thestringpuller: in what the WWII sense? or what?
mircea_popescu: what difference does identity make ?! ANONIMITY IS THE SOLUTION!
undata: there's that and also, I think the american system demonstrates just how obedient the average person is
mircea_popescu: not them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always found it rather odd that folks who very easily see the problems with, e.g., pollution of the atmosphere or of the sea, fail to grasp an exactly analogous argument re: inflation
mircea_popescu: this could be about silver, or about assignats, or about "the debt ceiling" or anything
cazalla: turns out the black guy of that movie died 13 years ago.. sorry to be such a debbie downer
mircea_popescu: "If you are worrying about the time when 20MB per block is filled, you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, an increase from the currently throttle of approx 6 per second to around 120 per second. If you are worrying that bitcoin will have 20x more transactions, then you are worrying about it having many more users."
ben_vulpes: "the gods must be crazy"
asciilifeform racks brain to recall the film where a stone age tribe finds glass bottle
asciilifeform: it's a comic book picture, the image
mircea_popescu: references to formal definitions as "by the very definition" are shaky.
mircea_popescu: the definition of savages, you will notice, is formal not substantial.
asciilifeform: the more furious their activity around it, the more folly. they will come no closer to understanding, e.g., battery
mircea_popescu: pgp seems to be living a nice 2nd youth these days tho
asciilifeform: i'll take the liberty of quoting old article of mine: ' I cant help but picture a flashlight or a radio set, left behind in the wilderness by geologists, to be picked up later by some Stone Age aboriginals; to be fought over and worshiped. Until the batteries run out. But the batteries have not yet run out! The flashlight shines, the radio plays. Lets listen and hear what it plays. '
mircea_popescu: cazalla if it does translate into traffic you'll see it as a worsening of the demographic quality lol.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, we'll see how much of their derping translate into traffic.. that thread is 2nd most popular on bitcointalk today according to blockchained.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps for the same reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, back when there was a roughly similar 'messianic' cargo cult around pgp (the original pgp) - the folks involved more or less missed all the interesting implications of their toy.
undata: it only took a few encounters with that crowd to decide otherwise
undata: when I was younger I thought Ron Paul was the way
mircea_popescu: undata right. "men with guns ? wheee they came to play!"
asciilifeform: ^ i noticed this when writing the 'mpex review' article
mircea_popescu: apparently the libertards are actually retarded enough to have misapprehended bitcoin as some sort of ally for their stuff.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'march from me to the next oak tree.'
mircea_popescu: lol cazalla the derps are precious.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: smokes. let's go.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "I don't perceive a smartphone's worth having. Much like an AK-47, if not for the same reason." << i think it's clearly stated. like an assault rifle, a smartphone's not worth having. not for the same reason tho, but nevertheless, not worth having.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> but the dishwasher!? << it probably uses less water if you put less clothes in
ben_vulpes: i'll get there eventually, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i actually saw it.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2015 06:34:07; asciilifeform: re: rms and his oddities, i'd note that quite a few (most?) folks would end up regarded as similarly odd, if they somehow were set free to do wtf they pleased
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ben_vulpes: just another *lang
ben_vulpes: ah, what's wrong with go, thestringpuller?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: oh tchyeah that thing's considered harmful.
thestringpuller: fucking bitpay with their nodejs wallet-core-thingamafucker
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> have no idea why they haven't split the node from the wallet << mostly time.
undata: yeah, given a sane interface to feed transactions all manner of other programs can do as they please
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we discussed splitting
ben_vulpes: ^^ that behavior actually blows the wallet concept entirely pu
thestringpuller: who needs a wallet when you can just create the transaction offline, and then feed the finalized thing to the node
ben_vulpes: spreadsheet or org mode file should be adequate for the user of "angry five"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how would you propose the user is to keep track of his coin ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one can conceive of 'wallet' that doesn't try to abstract over the actual mechanics of bitcoin
ben_vulpes: or rather, notion that bitcoind should bear responsibility for tracking your coinholdings.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] the default change behaviour is asinine (owing to how it destroys wallet backup as a concept) but i cannot recall how it can be seen as 'vulnerable' << wallet notion itself is asinine
asciilifeform: you'll know gotterdammerung isn't far when usg btc-fiat exchange handlers start lifting from the pots, in broad daylight, and leaving their 'patients' to take the blame.
asciilifeform puts for the record that he is very much looking forward to the first case of goxian btc theft that can only be explained by an overenthusiastic politruk and his root pw.
assbot: Elmer__FUD comments on Peter Todd on Twitter: "With Bitstamp on Amazon AWS, there's a high probability that some Three Letter Agency has a copy of their databases; expect zero privacy." ... ( http://bit.ly/1A48GnR )
ben_vulpes: but the dishwasher!?
ben_vulpes: now the washing machine can at least measure moments of inertia, and make some kind of guess about how much water to derp into itself, that i'll scowlingly perhaps accept if i'm in a generous mood.
ben_vulpes: what kinds of smarts can the thing possibly have
asciilifeform: the article phrased a little differently: 'smartphone... much like ak... simply not useful'
mircea_popescu: they're great, but...
mircea_popescu: i don't go down the street carrying a horse. or a boat.
mircea_popescu: nothing! i have nothing against ice breakers and atomic shelters, either. but i don't own any!
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/people-we-dont-like-fighting-each-other-an-ode/
thestringpuller: !up the_real_john_ga
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the article's a scandal, i just mean, it being so long is scandalous.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout halfway done it's a scandal!
PeterL: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=F.DERP looks like the person who bid based on the 10X valuation mistake finally removed their bid
mircea_popescu: anyway, socal is where the really easy skanks / surfer dudes / rednecks live.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes weren'tthey in florida or something ?
PeterL: but wouldn't that be in Northern California?
PeterL: are they located in socal?
thestringpuller: what they do I do not know
thestringpuller: asciilifeform i hope they model an AI construct after you one day.
asciilifeform: (am i the only one who still expires keys?)
ben_vulpes: stan the key you signed those patches with has expired
Apocalyptic: PeterL, the link on "reported" is broken
adlai: "So I think the lack of a real computer science today, and the lack of real software engineering today, is partly due to this pop culture [of the personal computer]." https://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=1039523
kakobrekla: not yet, but its weekend now, they are prolly drinking in some bar.
kakobrekla: dont break the thing now.
mircea_popescu: rigth at the time keiser was pushing his aurora scam
mircea_popescu: was that it ? pretty sure there was one before
mircea_popescu: the author thought he "covered" the economics involved. then it turned out the author had no fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is exactly like that alt coin that went nowhere which was going to give everyone with bitcoin as many of the altcoin as they had bitcoin
thestringpuller: funny how even trying to dumb the article down, people still don't get that
mircea_popescu: so the only way to have bitcoin is 1:1 identity in all respects.
mircea_popescu: 1 tx is say 400 bytes. if i split 1k btc into 1k 1 btc txn that's 400kb. if i dump 400kb on the network as it is now, about half would be put into a block immediately.
thestringpuller: so in order to defend the attack gavin would have to include code to keep 1:1 parity with the main-chain while his blocks are minted
thestringpuller: by statistics alone, the transaction will very greatly in each chain
thestringpuller: then include all transactions in main chain
thestringpuller: they would have to wait for main-chain to mint
mircea_popescu: in practice i';d expect them to separate their funds immediately, and only pay out gavincoins.
mircea_popescu: working on the assumption of naive exchange, of course.
Apocalyptic: this would work only until the input the exchange is spending for your withdrawal is on both chains
thestringpuller: the gigachain is more expensive in nature no?
thestringpuller: the blocks > 1mb
thestringpuller: in theory, gavincoin will cost more to produce
mircea_popescu: cold wallets may save them to some degree, but it's pretty random.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: May be possible. I'd count double spending your coins yourself to seperate forks before using them in anger.