fluffypony: http://www.coindesk.com/5-cryptocurrency-caricatures-youll-meet-rbitcoin/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+CoinDesk+%28CoinDesk+-+The+Voice+of+Digital+Currency%29
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davout: it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred
assbot: Minae Mizumura’s The Fall of Language in the Age of English, reviewed. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DOQimF )
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2015/01/minae_mizumura_s_the_fall_of_language_in_the_age_of_english_reviewed.html
davout: fuck, i used to think retardation was somewhat limited to the bitcoin sub reddit, looks like i was dead wrong http://i.imgur.com/tIfVOzL.jpg
mircea_popescu: some SV thing he "hired" to redesign the forum
davout: if i was in a playful mood i'd hop over there and troll them with the payments i received for being a mod there
punkman: "For the amount of money that Theymos is paying these four twenty-somethings to make forum software, he could employ Gavin Andresen full-time, six times over!"
assbot: For the amount of money that Theymos is paying for new forum software, we could run a bitcoin commercial during the Super Bowl. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yYx27h )
punkman: hah http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2mei83/for_the_amount_of_money_that_theymos_is_paying/
cazalla: if only they stumbled across one of the first trilema's i came across.. boy and the tree which turns into a stump for the old man to sit on at the end
punkman: "So I make over a million dollars, use this on things which are clearly intended to benefit the forum and the Bitcoin community instead of myself (even if you think the money could be better used elsewhere), and I get constantly attacked for it..."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha oh the epic of reddit.
mircea_popescu: " I think Theymos has done an awesome service for the community in turning the forum into something of an institution rather than not just pocking hte funds."
mircea_popescu: "It seems to me the bitcoin exchanges and companies like Bitpay will have a large say in how this goes forward. "
BingoBoingo: I wonder if there is an MP is Thermos conspiracy brewing https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s3ij2/investigation_about_theymos/
assbot: Hard fork block size politics: do we want decentralized digital gold, or just another Visa? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DON8PY )
cazalla: you make some good points mircea_popescu but the name calling.. http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s43j6/hard_fork_block_size_politics_do_we_want/
undata: but yeah as mentioned above I use Press on android so I don't see the styles
undata: davout: minimal is fine but I otherwise disagree; that one can go mad with CSS doesn't necessitate doing so
davout: fluffypony: aah, didn't think of that, reader mode is even somewhat smarter because it'll also detect the actual content and do away with the rest
BingoBoingo: Also... Qntra still for the forseeable future does full text in its RSS feed.
davout: the 'disable styles' thing is pretty useful even on desktops
davout: what? that there is no such feature on my mobile?
davout: "can't mobile drop css itself ?" <<< yeah, that would solve it, but afaik there's no such feature :/
davout: my point is that i'm interested in the content, so as long as html is used sanely it should display in a meaningful way
fluffypony: @media screen and (max-width: 640px) { /* all the qntra CSS goes here */ }
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 05:34:53; undata: qntra could have a media query to change the width on mobile.. just sayin
mircea_popescu: "And now in practical terms : there once existed this thing called NeoBee. It pretended to be a Bitcoin business, but inasmuch as its purported CEO was not in #bitcoin-assets, it never stood a chance. This is a point oft neglected, but by far the best predictor of success or failure in the Bitcoin space : that channel is where the industry meets. If a purported business is not well represented in there, it is not well
mircea_popescu: but great for theatre
BingoBoingo: Among other things English can be condemned for English is incapable of Opera
mircea_popescu: i butchered it as far as everything but the imagery is concerned.
undata: mircea_popescu: beautiful imagery in english; I'm sure the sound of it matches in romanian
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-silver-tusked-boar/
assbot: The silver tusked boar pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1soGMp9 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2015/the-silver-tusked-boar/
ben_vulpes: <benjamindees> [] Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless. << who are you again?
thestringpuller: you mean we'll be able to buy planets in the future?
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> [] how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead << little bit of columns a and b
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform Your connection seems iffy today. Is there a van waiting to take you on vacation?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up asciilifeform Your connection seems iffy today. Is there a van waiting to take you on vacation?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=site:trilema.com+colti+argint&complete=0
mircea_popescu: the guy was pretty good, too, stefan augustin doinas.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: blown away that the point that an eulogy's job is to illustrate how great the deceased was and how worthless the world by comparison is somehow controversial << their problem is with the second half of the sentence. which is, of course, entirely like disdaining one side of the battery
asciilifeform lives in usa for ~22 yrs but in a kind of cultural bubble, and not entirely certain how much of what he thinks of as civilization, remains intact there
asciilifeform: was specifically thinking of usa (where the reddit folks likely live)
mircea_popescu: but i mean... they're in literature too.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, im kinda blown away that the point that an eulogy's job is to illustrate how great the deceased was and how worthless the world by comparison is somehow controversial.
mircea_popescu: ok, you got me there, but still.
asciilifeform: 'why not' isn't quite the same as 'glad i don't have to!'
mircea_popescu: "How much did the Bitcoin Bowl cost? Was it really worth sacrificing nine of your best and brightest?" << heh. once you put it like that, it burns.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: it's interesting to see some of the derps waking up and exiting the cave.
mircea_popescu: "Lets not forget the real paid shills on /r/bitcoin as well. The fuckwits who were paid to spread the usage of 'bit' as a unit. I wonder how much BitPay spent on that one." << that's a kinda funny one. yet another place where derps diverge from mp, derps fail & get burned, derps dun learn.
asciilifeform: why's that annoying you << i have a heuristic for picking lines of inquiry that's heavily weighted against what i know other folks to be doing
thestringpuller: http://valleywag.gawker.com/the-bitcoin-broker-and-the-13-year-old-girl-in-the-biki-1563202590 << there we go
mircea_popescu: i thought it was that other derp that got put away for something pedo related
cazalla: mircea_popescu, he's allege to have run a glamourshots business but claimed he was only the cameraman, i dunno the facts tbh
thestringpuller: at least gavin's enemies came out of the woodwork...
undata: mircea_popescu: yes, but as qntra has what appears to be a fixed pixel width it ends up with rather small fonts on mine
undata: I use an rss reader so it doesn't affect me either way
undata: qntra could have a media query to change the width on mobile.. just sayin
BingoBoingo: I still doesn't look like one of the many crap spewing anuses pretending to news because of forgoing bootstrap is not a design virtue.
thestringpuller: maybe I'm just not into the dumb blonde type!
thestringpuller: the big sleep had some dope "slang"
thestringpuller: the d00d from maltese falcon and shit
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is. << is it that bogart-bacall in the desert episode?
[\\\]: is there a cumcoin yet?
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hanbot: judging by the arguments, i'd be surprised if the thing was read beyond the title's first nine words.
mircea_popescu: hanbot i wonder how many of these milktoothed experts of letters and matters even understands what the sockwashing reference is.
assbot: "The woman's job is to find a great man (not good, by the way), suck his cock, wash his socks and write his eulogy." Bitcoin thought leader Mircea Popescu enlightens. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1yuV1 )
hanbot: lol mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2s23ap/the_womans_job_is_to_find_a_great_man_not_good_by/
hanbot: <thestringpuller> how did you not have a stroke while in the trenches of super retardism? << what matters are facts; doesn't matter how often idiocy is repeated by idiots, or how exotic it gets. also, cold showers.
mircea_popescu: "I think the bigger issue is that Bitpay doesn't have a long term business model. Even assuming that Bitcoin adoption grows, transfer of Bitcoin to fiat is a programmable function. People will immediately cut out the middle man if it becomes less expensive, and its a bit of a race to the bottom as people compete in the space for the best rates, quickest conversion and most apis."
mircea_popescu: that leaves what, propping the scam foundation ?
mircea_popescu: BitPay will soon be dead. They probably make $1000 per month revenue and burn around $500K.
mircea_popescu: Basically they fired the guy who blew $1.5Million and only 5 Transactions (probably sub $10) to show for it.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i recall that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: So, I'm a big Dave Chappelle fan. Anyhow when he got heckled and ragequitting off stage during one of his last stand up shows he came back out and said something to the audience: "You know why my show is good? Because the network officials say you're not smart enough to get what I'm doing, and every day I fight for you. I tell them how smart you are. Turns out, I was wrong. You people are stupid." This is how I
mircea_popescu: "An as yet unknown1 individual or group has taken up the mantle of DPR and launched the next iteration of the Silk Road marketplace, but this time around it's not accessible via Tor."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller btw, how does it feel to like hit it with article ?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Things happen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what even is the point of gigantic blocks ? << More pretend businesses for the Mr Spamzors
asciilifeform: what even is the point of gigantic blocks ?
kakobrekla: my guess is nobody really knows what the actual fuck is going on.
asciilifeform: re: fork wars << i find it strange that the phoundation folks are derping around with block size, etc. rather than shooting for straight dekulakization.
assbot: . /btc_feed Really you aren't going to cite the source http://t.co/j5ClkrUzCo you quote in your layoffs article http://t.co/firoaZwLPP
BingoBoingo: Wax sealing, making a comeback http://bitcoinwaxstamp.com/?product=the-pawn
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. It really does. It's been a fight getting credibility from people on the fence. Took a few days for people to realize the BitPay layoff article wasn't bullshit.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo seems qntra is doing pretty well these days huh
BingoBoingo: Retard, that's not a bullet with the name on it that's just a fucking casing.
kakobrekla: the brass is .35 when btc is 100 or 1000.
artifexd: If I can replace them for 1.35BTC each (or less), I will.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
artifexd: ;;later tell nubbins` Do you have an common casascius coins you want to sell? I sold a dozen and would like to replace them.
BingoBoingo: Or maybe the handlers too.
BingoBoingo: Well, they are going to stop saying MP coin soon I imagine, because... They still base their idea of MP wealth on that dorky tortilla chart from god knows how long ago.
mircea_popescu: ie, how soon do they concede defeat.
BingoBoingo: I'm surprised it took so long for the coin name for issue to resolve
mircea_popescu: i wonder which way they end up solving it.
mircea_popescu: so their attempt to fork bitcoin escalated, because before they can in earnest get to that, they have to resolve a namefork
mircea_popescu: so they'd rather it be mpcoin vs "bitcoin". except... if the gavincoin chain fails, this in effect renames bitcoin after me.
cazalla: i'm not sure if there is anything better than butter soaked bread topped with an inch of vegemite
mircea_popescu: no really this shit is beautiful. so, libertards that think they're part of bitcoin come up with the idea to fork bitcoin to make it moar libertardcoin. mp says "fu and your gavincoin". now, they do understand that leaving the issue as bitcoin vs gavincoin pretty much settles the propaganda angle.
mircea_popescu: "mp got bitcoin renamed in his honor by not doing things! now that's the true entrepreneurial spirit!"
BingoBoingo: decimation: And that's why the people who made the jump to culturing forest organisms in dirt found a useful.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: tieteixobactin << My outsider view is that microbiology has been more busy derping with 'computing dna' rather than actually studying microbes
davout: they look pretty different from what i'm used to, pretty fat and appealing :D
cazalla: davout, well agreed there, i won't buy and eat them from fish market in melbourne but while living near Sydney, happy to shove as many down my gullet as possible
davout: cazalla: never. been to sydney only a couple of days, lived in melbourne for a while tho, where i witnessed the unspeakable horror of these oysters being sold already opened
mircea_popescu: but it's how they're bringing "hope and change" to bitcoin, or w/e it was they were bringing.
asciilifeform: that kind of behaviour is more or less the same as asking for a, e.g., 'ld_preload attack' or the like.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original complaint was more of a "we include names, do not know what code they stand for"
asciilifeform: do artifexd, mircea_popescu, (who else in there?) understand the 'oeap' or 'pkcs#1' routine that is to be used in 'gossip' ?
mircea_popescu: it specifies the mystery meat is all.
asciilifeform: that doesn't solve the mystery meat problem
mircea_popescu: everything gossipd uses is thereby forked and frozen.
asciilifeform: idiotically complex solution to a quite simple problem, and there is no opting out if you want compatibility with anything
mircea_popescu: s/its/their/
mircea_popescu: kinda a resplendent showcase of why one does not really want to be on the side of idiots.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it was ever in history the case that idiots supporting something did so much damage to it by its attempts at supporting it.
asciilifeform: can any of these really be 'for real' ?
asciilifeform: 'It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community' << trololol!
davout: the interesting in this bit is that if you s/devs/power rangers/ it works just as fucking well, if not better
davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10119424#msg10119424 "Devs, Miners, Traders: they are the three branches of Bitcoin Government. They check and balance each other. Traders and miners have ruled too long. Their power is waning. It's time for devs to bring hope and change to the Bitcoin community. Then we can come back stronger."
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's a good theory
mircea_popescu: well either that or shit transplant from europeans
davout: "oh that croissant from yesterday is hard? let's just soak it in that delicious milk+almonds thing and sell it under a different name" delicious nonetheless
davout: decimation: tbh the almond pastry thing is usually bakeries recycling yesterday's pastries
decimation: in france they fill pastries with almond paste; in australia, with yeast shit
mircea_popescu: davout ever showed you the alleged "salmon" that was jet black ?
davout: mircea_popescu: of course, i'm speaking about stores, where the oysters are presented like that
decimation: yeah in the us it is common to get oysters seved open
davout: that's even a worse offense to humanity than vegemite and the australian accent combined
davout: oysters. they're opened. right.
kakobrekla: you dont actually eat them.
mircea_popescu: "This is one of the shittiest pieces of fear mongering I've ever read. Hard forking is and should be a natural and regular occurance and never has any hard fork ever threatened the block chain. It's called natural selection. Have a little faith in the educated masses"
mircea_popescu: "This guy owns enough BTC to crash the price to 0 on the fork if it develops. Basically imagine launching an altcoin that starts out with the current blockchain as genesis. Then imagine a huge holder acting to destroy this altcoin to protect the original Bitcoin."
kakobrekla: o wait this isnt the forum
mircea_popescu: then it sudden;y won't ever be a topic mentioned again by the ~500 or so fake reddit accounts working at creating "consensus" of "the community"
mircea_popescu: adlai yeah, all this "satoshi this satoshi that" will be heard until the 1mn hoard quietly splits one night.
mircea_popescu: "Dude that runs Mpex is a crazy narcissist that happened to get rich (if he cashed out) from being an early adopter. I think the MPEX buy-in was 10k coins just for a seat at the table even after the price hit $30. He also just consented to a $50k fine from the SEC for selling unregistered securities."
adlai: what if satoshi sells on the original chain
mircea_popescu: ahh all this exposure to that other community.
mircea_popescu: "However, I also expect Bitcoin to become a) more forgetful and think that b), there could be a systems that puts the burden of validating a transaction on the sender of the transaction instead of the network. So that maybe, maybe, in the more distant future, all that needs to be kept of the decentralized blockchain are the headers, which is less than a CD-ROM full of data for 100years."
mircea_popescu: dude, reddit really likes being educated, provided the "education" in question consists of telling them how great and important they are.
mircea_popescu: Gavin educates, make his points and tries convince community without antagonizing anyone. Popescu is probably the biggest jerk in the community, and his flock are such a dickheads that I'd be happy to see them using separate chain just so they can circlejerk and pretend they are the kings of the crypto-word in their own sandbox. Anything they write is so repugnant, that it's just impossible to argue with them. It's fun
mircea_popescu: the fake bitcoin foundation is going to make it for two years ? bwahahaha gimme a break.
mircea_popescu: "This is how the max block size will be increased, hopefully with the same 2-year delay. By the time the change actually happens, everyone will be using a client with the new rules because that's the only type of client that will have been advertised on bitcoin.org and elsewhere for 2+ years. You'd have to go massively out of your way to download a version without the new rules."
davout: mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904 <<< hearn, in reply to me: "because some parts of the protocol are directly exposed to underlying libraries like OpenSSL, you have to match their behaviour exactly as well, including all their bugs." https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=134318.msg1435904#msg1435904
mircea_popescu: davout if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further <>< clearly. not to mention the recent ecdsa openssl debacle, which is pretty much exactly a replay of the bdb stuff. "oh, we included code but we had no idea what it does" sort of approach to code-is-spec specwork
mircea_popescu: what people knew about it was important then, but is not really germane
mircea_popescu: <sgornick> The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1. << it is technially correct to say that the 8.1. version is in fact more restrictive than the pre 8.0 version.
artifexd: Have we already passed the point of separation? Is it possible that I have bitcoins that are actually gavincoins?
mircea_popescu: <sgornick> First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified. When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" . What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? ) << bitcoin vs gavincoin.
davout: sgornick: an implementation detail in some older client does not count as a protocol rule in my book, if proof was needed that the 'teh-code-is-teh-spec' approach is fundamentally braindamaged, well, look no further
sgornick: The (bdb) rule wasn't (widely) known before v0.8 caused the fork, but it was coded into v0.8.1.
davout: sgornick: it was a hard fork in the sense that not all implementations behaved the same way, not in the sense that a rule was changed
adlai: and there wasn't a well-defined set of nodes that would prefer one block over another - the pre-v0.8 side would nondeterministically reject certain valid blocks
davout: sgornick: it wasn't a hard fork in the sense that no rule was changed
sgornick: First, gotta get some vocabulary simplified. When we had the unplanned hard-fork March 2013, we had the protocol "pre-v0.8' and "v0.8" . What do we call this protocol with the hard fork implemented vs. that without the hard fork (i.e., unchanged? )
sgornick: Oh, ... I think I see -- you are saying I didn't go far enough? Not only are trxs with post-fork taint worthless, but there could be trxs with no taint that would confirm on one side but would be invalid as they were already spent on the other side?
sgornick: Why? 100% of those will be rejected on the side of the fork from nodes without the hard-fork implemented.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/yet-another-silk-road-marketplace-launches/
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
mircea_popescu: the internetity!
[\\\]: I had to go back to the original and refresh
mircea_popescu: [\\\] simply load the site.
adlai: by not using the proxy
benjamindees: as an asset, sure, assets are easy to control with conventional means -- threats, taxation, theft, etc
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1w961XS )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
davout: benjamindees: it's not really as if bitcoin was taking banking too seriously either
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, you understand that the next, "bigger" too-big-to-fail entity is China, right? It's not Bitcoin... bankers don't take non-inflationary currency seriously.
decimation: this phenomenon is demonstrated in obamacare, for instance. the 40% tax on "cadillac" health plans will start in 2018, presumably after a republican president takes office
mircea_popescu: that's exactly it, in the quest to "we promise to over-react, please re-elect us" the socialist politicians are stuck moving the goalposts in the future. their ideal pov is to resolve problems for which no being alive can now hang them
adlai: i like how the idf doesn't put the number in the name (though they are planned for five), calling them just "multi-year plans", as though resigned in advance to the inevitable delays
decimation: mircea_popescu: the unborn make the perfect socialist workers. they never complain and always eager for the next five year plan
hanbot: they come with a sanity tax tho', box waxes on unpoetic about how you the buyer are a unique woman whose dreams become reality etc.
mircea_popescu: <davout> trying to solve other people's problems that don't exist yet, the recipe for success :D <<< kinda the meat and potatoes of socialist government eh.
mircea_popescu: hanbot a there we go.
davout: hanbot: so, how's the tampon market in bsas?
decimation: at any rate, this is a problem for actual miners to solve in the future, and they will likely despise any actions taken today on their behalf
decimation: in the us, most airlines have done away with that
mircea_popescu: they ... actually do.
davout: decimation: they totally would if they had to bear the costs of flying empty airplanes anyway
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is a point. all the people derping about "economy" fail to have read that old mpoe-pr article about buffett and textile industry on the forum.
decimation: kakobrekla: by that logic, airlines would fly a bum for five bux if there were an empty seat
kakobrekla: decimation from miners perspective they would include everything and their mother if she has half a dime.
mircea_popescu: have trouble understanding your proposal - ordinary users will be easily bamboozled by a government sponsored security update. Further, when the crisis hits, to disagree with the line, to doubt that the regulators are right, and the problem is the evil speculators, becomes political suicide, as it did in America in 2007, sometimes physical suicide, as in Weimar Germany."
mircea_popescu: er, more serious, and more disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks are difficult for ordinary people understand. I
mircea_popescu: "The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigg
decimation: kakobrekla: if mining is costly, the miners won't relay dust
mircea_popescu: <benjamindees> Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. << that's not the reason he had. here is the reason he had : http://trilema.com/2013/digging-through-archives-yields-gold/
mircea_popescu: <davout> would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario? <>< hard to tell, but mostly yes.
decimation: well, if the network is dead, no one cares. If bitcoin can be traded for half a planet, the implication is that mining is costly
adlai: double spends are easy today, they'll be far easier in such a situation
adlai: you can broadcast transactions on both chains, miners could even be incentivized to scan both chains for transactions valid in the chain they're mining on - but p2p broadcast probably won't work on its own, once the network has forked properly
benjamindees: Just consider that, when Satoshi said "gain a new territory of freedom for several years," he had a reason. Bitcoin is not the end-all-be-all of systems. Mining may not be a long-term solution. But inflation is non-negotiable, regardless.
davout: adlai: yeah, but danielpbarron has a point, there only needs to be one node bridging transactions for a double-spend to be harder to pull off, obviously not impossible, but it would be harder than trivial
kakobrekla: how do other envision the future when reward goes towards 0. either a btc is worth half a planet or the fees amount per block go up a few orders of magnitude or network is dead
adlai: i'm not certain if they'd get disconnected right away, but a node sending invalid-to-you blocks won't last long in your node's connection list
davout: would transactions still propagated accross fork branches in the event of a hard fork scenario?
davout: does anyone know if current bitcoin nodes would actually blacklist/disconnect from nodes broadcasting >1m or otherwise invalid blocks?
decimation: pelosi will take care of the mining.
adlai: if you think mining is primarily a means of distribution, you should consider studying the problems with systems that preceeded bitcoin
benjamindees: davout, well, the thing is, by the time it even matters, mining may be irrelevant anyways. I wouldn't bank on having a mining oligopoly twenty years from now. Mining is mostly a means of distribution.
adlai: if we the people having this discussion look at the ... which we the people cutting the taxes may wish to...