BingoBoingo: It's not the punishment on paper to be feared, but the de facto hell cultured under the veil of paper.
BingoBoingo: It's this peculiar miss that has people thinking the weapon of the US prison system is merely confinement, when the weapon is rectal violation.
BingoBoingo: Well one of those things where naive party picks one thing the effort accomplishes and tries to apporximate just that and says the whole thing is good enough.
asciilifeform: as if unidirectional flow were the only or even main purpose of airgap
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I actually gave attending that school a bit of thought as I was making choices, but... a more local small liberal arts college was offering a deal where I particularly wouldn't have to pay tuition to them. Best not to question the past though. I could have ended up some doomed postdoc in Oklahomo if I went to St John and actually read all of those books too young.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I'd like to make it through the St Johns college curriculumn before I'm 40 http://www.sjc.edu/academics/undergraduate/seminar/annapolis-undergraduate-readings/
BingoBoingo: I haven't had the chance. Lately I've been trying to chew on Lucretius.
BingoBoingo: If these every get made they are going to have some serious stank at End of Life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_Replacement_Submarine
TomServo: Curious, block 338710 had only 1 transaction (the new coins) - is that common?
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BingoBoingo: What could have been the A-10 of the sea... disappearing http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/end-of-the-ghetto-navy-is-in-sight-as-last-usn-frigate-1678669074
kakobrekla: unlike the author.
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mircea_popescu: so far it;'s a lot more predictive-dialectic. "this is what you will say, and this is why you will be saying it, and this is how you'll respond to the previous statement, and this is why you did that, and this is how..."
asciilifeform: ilkka kokkarinen liked to call this concept 'heightening the contradictions.' also known as 'make'em gas you'
mircea_popescu: reminds me of a much older but quite central asciilifeform point : "These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, or give up their thrones on their own free will if it were used correctly, that is."
mircea_popescu: this adventure makes it quite obvious how the entire libertard political machine is intended to function. sort-of like, it ran into a ravine, now it's suspended, ands you can walk under it safely and admire all the pistons and whatnot without much risk.
kakobrekla: (cause the log is free hehe)
kakobrekla: perhaps it was the log.
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnmqyth
mircea_popescu: i never really was too hip on it. if peopel ask, sure, tell em things, answer q's. but the sort of blind "o look what new gadget i got" thing they do... meh. it only creates more idiots for mpoe-pr to claw at.
cazalla: perhaps garza's latest scheme with this honour program starting 1st feb is to push the price of paycoin back up to $20 so he can offload all his premined coins and then declare bankrupty come feb, who knows, so much bullshit makes my headspin
cazalla: i'm not really following it now but they have some honour program now https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=857670.msg10125456#msg10125456
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform insure ensure assure, affect, effect, infect etc. just outside of the redditard's literacy bubble.
cazalla: it's not but it is hilarious all the same
cazalla: kakobrekla, apparently they've come through on the $20 floor and will buy it from users over a 15 year period or some shit
mircea_popescu: "The Essential Role of Mixing Services: BitMixer Processes 25K BTC per Month (Interview and Step-by-Step Guide Included)"
mircea_popescu: i keep saying the boo boo about the us, but srsly, the uk is like idi amin's uganda compared.
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mircea_popescu: Everyone not on Gavin's side on this all act like low / zero fee transactions just disappear into the ether. They most certainly do not. If (when) the average block size exceeds 1MB these lower fee transactions will overrun the entire system. Servers running bitcoind will start swapping to disk instead of using memory. At that point the entire network would go down."
mircea_popescu: "I don't understand why this is difficult to understand and literally I've said this three times in the past couple of days.
mircea_popescu: "Demand for Bitcoin is not inelastic. Raise the price of using Bitcoin enough, and demand will decline. Right now, the primary reason people use Bitcoin is not its security. That's a nice benefit, but most users use it because it's cheap, and has the largest network of users, merchants, exchanges, etc. The affordability and number of users shouldn't be compromised for security. In fact, doing so will inevitably cause s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc that's not a total fiction. there was some half-written 'marketplace' thing in the initial tarball ?
mircea_popescu: apparently, teh wot is going to be attacked next, because yeah, totally, when you fail in everything you do the logical step is to do more things :D
mircea_popescu: some informative original research, fresh from marquardt : "According to Mike Hearn, Satoshi even planned on creating a reputation system integrated with the Bitcoin client that would use the number of blocks you'd individually solved as part of a system to prevent scammers from creating infinitely many accounts."
BingoBoingo: But if you don't cross the streams you are stuck with a giant Marshmallow.
rithm slinks back into the shadows
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: well this is why you never cross the streams. they could never get al capone on rico charges so they slapped him on tax evasion.
cazalla: that coindesk article also reflects the total lack of news on some days
kakobrekla: at least they have cake.
jurov rushes to check cex isn't among the D.*
jurov: no need. just send them over to r/buttcoin
mircea_popescu: gotta make trilema moar appealing to the derp generation.
mircea_popescu: assbot: 5 Cryptocurrency Caricatures You'll Meet on r/Bitcoin - CoinDesk << so coindesk is at the gizmodo/mashable/demand media "stale meme list" phase of post-shark-jumping ?
thestringpuller: then gir pops out and does his little "cute" voice "doom doom. doom doom doom doom! I LIKE YOU!"
thestringpuller: I introduce to you!!!! THE PROHPHET OF DOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
thestringpuller: I hear the voice of Zim saying it.
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin is a cult of money so of course we need profits rather than prophets
davout: thestringpuller: "Did you mean andreas antonopoulos ?"
assbot: What is most delightful is projects like DarkWalllet make the "Bitcoin Advicates" completely irrelevant. They can only spectate slack jawed.
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adlai: "if they'd let me have my way I could've flayed them into shape // but my hands were tied, the bleeding hearts and artists..."
mircea_popescu: fine. i blame them, their stupid fathers & bovine mothers, the fucking gooses masquerading as "educators" in a ten mile radius
davout: why not blame them directly? :p
mircea_popescu: davout personally, i blame their parents.
mircea_popescu: the stuff twitter's for.
davout: wtf is wrong with these people
davout: cazalla: blockchain-all-the-things, apparently
cazalla: bitcoin_charlie: https://actioncrypto.com/ <<< how is this any different to updown.bt (launched April 2014, became a GOLD!! member of the bitcoin foundation but is now dead, didn't even make it to 2015)
mircea_popescu: she definitely seems to think that's what she's getting, the other end of "lul what can we make her do ? shoe on head ?"
mircea_popescu: which aren't particularly sexy, the whole sport is, "let's humiliate / torture her"
davout: in france most inmates have cellphones in their cells. WE HERD YOU LIEK CELLZ
mircea_popescu: enough? Do you feel you got your due? That you were able to violate my privacy and dignity enough to feel I'm worthy of ten pathetic dollars? Less than a damned movie and popcorn?"
mircea_popescu: nsparent do you want it? Do you want to know that one of the reasons I am very private about connecting my pen names is because the man who raped me enjoys making fake profiles and friending me every few years, just to get off on sending me a message and getting blocked? Do you want to hear how I shake all over and panic and relive everything he did to me when that happens? Does that do it for you? Is that transparent
mircea_popescu: if it were, all drug lords / mafia kingpins would be in jail, offloading the cost of their security to the state, while they kept at their biz.
thestringpuller: is the cardano technically an airgap?
davout: it's the "The machine handling encryption and decryption on the MPEx side never connects to the Internet. There is no cable." bit that got me thinking about all this
mircea_popescu: at least some of the time.
mircea_popescu: but an airgap is not a semiconductor. the technical argument can be brougth that obviously semiconductors insulate
jurov: if you cede control to software then it's not airgap anymore
jurov: the airgap isn't about technology, but about being in complete control
davout: so if you don't put a light emitter on the airgap machine you necessarily end up with a one-way airgap, right?
mircea_popescu: i meant, your directional, or message-aware or otherwise "airgap" is a semiconductor in the flux
davout: just don't put an emitter on the airgapped machine, no need for fancy semiconductors :D
davout: guess that doesn't really count as an airgap if there isn't a manual step
davout: well, maybe there are some use cases where you want a uni-directional airgap
jurov: so then why you want it to be automatic?
mircea_popescu: davout for all you know the internet is already automatically airgapped to all hell.
jurov: what's the problem with manual checks?
davout: jurov: yeah, that's the manual case, but you might want to design an automated airgap
kakobrekla: i call it 'the gaper' as a tribute to ass gapes.
mircea_popescu: well ideally by keeping the pieces simple.
davout: how do you ensure what goes in on one side of the airgap is what goes out?
davout: should you be able to log what goes through the airgap somehow?
jurov: davout i assume it has a display and "ack" button that transmits the message, and nak button
davout: yeah, well the questions i'm thinking about are
davout: jurov: i'm trying to figure out exactly what the desirable properties of such an apparatus are
mircea_popescu: yeah obv. just, imo better economics all around once that's on the table.
jurov: the serial cable with buffer would suffice for a start
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's one for you : suppose the stavka website sported a "Afghanistani cock -> Russian eager asshole plox ty. We love real men, we're all transvestitties over here!"
davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974646 <<< in which case it's technically the cardano that wears you
davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974648 <<< sure he'd make it for the lulz
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mircea_popescu: "WASHINGTON The Twitter and YouTube accounts of the Pentagon's command for its forces in the Middle East have been hacked, according to a defense official Monday." lawl
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mircea_popescu: a bum, like a total, street dwelling bum, accosts some random guy begging. and the random guy goes like "ain't got nothing now", and hands him his coke bottle.
mircea_popescu: soo... i go to see my private banker, her office's like four blocks down. and as i walk on the street, i see a thing that's still with me.
ben_vulpes: <punkman> * bitcoin_charlie left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed by Preet_Bharara). << lol
fluffypony: [21:44:01] <+bitcoin_charlie>Honestly, Id rather use Yankee
punkman: * bitcoin_charlie left the room (quit: Quit: Page closed by Preet_Bharara).
punkman: (sidenote: http://pastie.org/pastes/9828054/text they just gots to have html in the "raw" version)
pete_dushenski: that's all the ammo i've got for this round. laters!
pete_dushenski: like the rest of chuck's pleading, bleeding head, it would seem.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller love it :)
TomServo: as ascii says, from the lulzfarm: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/01/12/twitter-centcom-isis/21640577/
thestringpuller: in a sense we are the ones being attacked not the other way around. trying to defend and hold the gate of bitcoin fro retardism. it was a really profound moment like when the trilema train ran you over.
bitcoin_charlie: Im helping them market and look for investors
bitcoin_charlie: Every option has been paid out, and the price feed is verifiable
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller yup!
bitcoin_charlie: and if you win, the bet comes back + payout
bitcoin_charlie: So, when you buy an option, its timestamped on the blockchain
thestringpuller: And that's very much what I think this war comes down to. Not block size or anything else. Just the simple fact: You are either for changing bitcoin for YOUR needs, or you are willing to adapt to bitcoin.
bitcoin_charlie: Im consulting on the ActionCrypto project, a bunch of friends are running it
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ya know. I was thinking about Bitcoin in the car today from THE Foundations point of view. "We change for bitcoin, our ways change for bitcoin not the other way around."
pete_dushenski: "We're a bunch of bitcoin enthusiasts, traders and programmers who have been involved in the Bitcoin space from the very beginning. Collectively, our background consists of over 30 years of capital markets and technology experience. "
pete_dushenski: assuming there's such a thing as rural shanghai...
pete_dushenski: bitcoin_charlie:Couple of people from the Bitcoin space << as meaningless as "a couple of people from the neighbourhood where i grew up"
bitcoin_charlie: Couple of people from the Bitcoin space.
pete_dushenski: who are these friends?
bitcoin_charlie: A couple of friends started it here in NYC, Im just helping them get organized
bitcoin_charlie: Honestly, Id rather use Yankee
bitcoin_charlie: Its the handle I use for everything
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pete_dushenski: bitcoin_charlie so put those two together and what do you get?
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pete_dushenski: bitcoin_charlie so you're the real shrem eh? can you pgp sign something?
kakobrekla: like if you pay for the extra luxurious accomodation
bitcoin_charlie: Im already working on another project.
bitcoin_charlie: I spent 6 figures on lawyer fees, the government wanted to send me away for 30 years.
bitcoin_charlie: Ahh, no I spoke to someone on the phone about it today
kakobrekla: and the convo from this morning is not linkable ?
bitcoin_charlie: I had tweeted that about 10 minutes from walking out of the court room
ben_vulpes: what was the deal with "justice has been done?"
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ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ?<mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform you understand what the bloom filters thing is supposed to do AFTER that right ? << hopes that this is elaborated upon further in logs
mircea_popescu: http://nibbler.silktide.com/en_US/reports/qntra.net << amusingly, qntra scores higher for mobile (8.6 vs 6,0 for trilema) in spite of trilema looking superbly on both handhelds whereas qntra gets cut off on the smaller one.
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> [] they are starting to call the real bitcoin "MPcoin" << mircea_popescoin
assbot: Let's address even more of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BUG2tK )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
decimation: but these spinal codes are clever in the sense that they cover a variety of channel snr's simultaneously
mircea_popescu: "And as anyone in indie romance knows, the waters are getting crowded, the competition is getting fierce, and I have to hustle my ass off to move books that sold themselves a year ago. I work twelve hours a day with promo, writing, and ad planning--sometimes more."
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: holidays were full of cake and poor self discipline this year
mircea_popescu: no, merely the definition of rateless is "no rate can be computed" instead of "this constant divided by infinity"
ben_vulpes: biking across town and running up and down the hill a few times today.
decimation: I guess it depends to what degree of certainty you wish to have that the recipient got your message
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's like saying the halting problem doens't exist because no computer runs forever.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: spinal codes: one point - while the code is 'rateless' by design, in practice it has a rate
mircea_popescu: y own problems. "It's not my fault that I didn't pursue a romantic relationship with her, she's just a friendzoning bitch." This projection would then just grow and grow to encompass all women.
mircea_popescu: ationships. I've had crushes, sure, but whenever the thought of actually forming a romantic relationship with that person would come up, I instantly shot myself down. Through shooting myself down, however, I also shot down that person. "She's shallow," I'd say, "she only wants hot jocks and douchebags. She's not worth my time." I would project all of my self-hatred onto this woman so I could avoid actually working on m
mircea_popescu: e a "fat fucking faggot" while I was walking home from the grocery store. I know he was probably drunk and not necessarily in the best state of mind, but fuck that shit hurts. Because of that bullying, I really don't have much confidence at all outside of my own work. The first thing I think of when I meet a new person is "I wonder how disgusted he is with me." And because of that self-hatred, I've never sought out rel
mircea_popescu: Up to probably three or four years ago, I would absolutely be that self-hating nerd Chu is talking about. Generally, I'm not that good looking. I'm fat in a bunch of weird places, tall, and pretty much just strange to look at. For most of my life, I was bullied, and even at 23 years old, I still experience a bit of bullying, and I internalize every insult I hear. Just a few days ago, a random guy in the street called m
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thestringpuller: ;;google ayo shut the fuck up
thestringpuller: they also are good for stuff like
mircea_popescu: he's the guy you immitate at the table, if you don't know how to eat at the table and were told "just do what they do"
mircea_popescu: no, actually, the hype man is an outgrowth of the shill in 3 card monte and such games, which is what all african entertainment is descended from. he's there to give an anchor to the viewer to identify with, and immitate.
mircea_popescu: Discussing the role of the hype man in the book How to Rap, Royce da 5'9" describes how a hype man can contribute to a live performance: "a lot of my verses be so constant with the flow [that] I'd need somebody to help me."[4] Lateef adds: "You're gonna have to have somebody say something somewhere to give you a breath... usually it's just a matter of getting somebody to hit some line or some word in a line - that's al
thestringpuller: the days of flava flav have passed
mircea_popescu: oh. i thought either one of those gold chains or else cocaine
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "it is a resources contest, and you people ARE POOR" << As XZibit would say "What's the difference between me and you? About five bank accounts three ounces and two vehicles" Or this pretty picture http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/image210.jpg
davout: kakobrekla: i think they're bulgarian
mircea_popescu: i recall, with the novacoin first premine scam thing
davout: the russian exchange
mircea_popescu: stuff like the original blockchain inspector is still around.
thestringpuller: the 4chan or bitcoin
mircea_popescu: they missed december. apple can miss. once. maybe. bitpay can't miss.
mircea_popescu: well dare i ask what the fraction of startups NOT ON EXPONENTIAL GROWTH CURVE that fail is ?
mircea_popescu: you know those stats that keep going 9x% of start-ups fail in the first bla bla ?
mircea_popescu: there's a ton of bitpay exceptionalism / captn of industry-ism flooding out of reddit. in point of fact, bitpay is a struggling start-up that missed the boat.
thestringpuller: davout: i can see the current leadership of bitpay being removed as a condition of VC investing more capital
mircea_popescu: besides the point.
davout: mircea_popescu: wrt point VIII : what would prevent bitpay from raising even more at an even higher valuation to keep supporting the vessenes foundation circus?
mircea_popescu: its from the same place.
thestringpuller: I was thinking more of the confused retarded kid who mistakingly got an inheritance.
mircea_popescu: "Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields."
davout: thestringpuller: yeah, it was in ft amirite
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah you have a point with the coinbase maturation delay
mircea_popescu: sort-of like trying to calculate the path lightning will take
davout: (for the purpose of double spending obv.)
davout: no need to get through the hassle of actually performing a double spend
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 15:02:29; mircea_popescu: davout: it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred << this is true but it only works after you got some split.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2015#974290 <<< not even, just point some cpu miner at eligius after the chain has forked, wait a bit, receive tainted payout directly from coinbase, profit
davout: guess nothing talks to idiots as much as scamming other idiots
mircea_popescu: "I thought the Bitrush team was crazy for offering free bitcoins... until they actually showed up in my Blockchain wallet. These guys are nuts. Take advantage of it before they come to their senses!"
mircea_popescu: "A friend told me Bitrush was giving away bitcoins and I thought, "What the hell!" I gave them my email and verified my account. Within 12 hours I received my first payout and have received many more since. Pretty nice of them and they even called me to make sure everything was going good for me. No one from any Bitcoin related company has ever called me before and I was amazed at the level of service for spending noth
thestringpuller: glad I did the cookie method and not ip :P
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-even-more-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/
thestringpuller: We want both. And there's no reason we can't have both. << i want to be rich and poor
mircea_popescu: you know, doge dieing sucks because all these fucktards are now misrepresenting themsleves as involved with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: it is also why you never rely on the horde for stuff.
thestringpuller: i think the layoffs article has started a witch hunt tho, which is never really healthy.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: can bitpay survive its own absence here ? << they'll eventually send an official emmissary.
mircea_popescu: i guess the url makes my poitn for me.
mircea_popescu: http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/arts/books/2015/01/SBR/ILLOS/141216_BOOKS_Minae-illo.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg << haven't read the article but that image is especially imbecillic.
mircea_popescu: "o noes, bitcoin-assets didn't care, let's see if there's barely stable aspie boys somewhere else"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the ddos guy
mircea_popescu: davout: it occurs to me that there's a rather trivial way to split gavincoins from bitcoins other than randomly attempting a double-spend, simply include some coinbase-tainted coins in your tx after the fork has occurred << this is true but it only works after you got some split.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony is that the derp that was hanging out here, aiming for publicity ?
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