dub: its 26c here, at 18:00. The sea is 22-24c so I try to stay in that as mush as possible around this time of year
dub: I spend a lot of time in the sun
dub: but yeah, no sunblock back then
mircea_popescu: there's something at work here.
mircea_popescu: isn't antarctica where the hole supposedly was /
ben_vulpes: why should the hole be over ba?
mircea_popescu: got here, discovered that the exact thing i knew as a boy still exists.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's actually great, the sun of my childhood. back when i was a kid i loved the sun, but then something sort-of changed at some point, past decade or so i couldn't even look at the fucking sky in the daytime. i kinda untinkingly just figured it's... gone.
mircea_popescu: dub: problematic for #b-a shutins << you should see the bright suns of argentina, northern boi.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: anybody guess the probability ethereum ever becomes a working thing? << epsilon, when it was announced. that was a while back.
asciilifeform: same as the buterin thing
mircea_popescu: "oh there's 100% support with the gab, 0% support with the purse, how could this not succeed"
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to buy gavincoins atm, either. been asking around, zilch actual support
mircea_popescu: lol. for all the redditard "consensus" and "Community" i can never find someone to write me a fucking short worth ten bucks on their idiotic ideas.
mircea_popescu: TomServo: https://blockchain.info/charts/balance?address=36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2 << that the ethereum "investment" address ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably a badmouthed set of points
mircea_popescu: you know it kinda sucks that there's no city called buenos tardes in argentina.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( TheNewDeal: I'm working in the sunny south and it starting to get some poor sleep. If I wake up to go to the bathroom I am having trouble getting back to sleep. This is atypical for mehdub: whiskykakobrekla: test )
TheNewDeal: I'm working in the sunny south and it starting to get some poor sleep. If I wake up to go to the bathroom I am having trouble getting back to sleep. This is atypical for meh
dub: going out in the sun works
Adlai: "Users take the plant to help them remember their dreams; side effects include hallucinations, nausea, and vomiting."
joecool: well you get the same effect of taking melatonin at a much lower level if you just turn your lights off and lay down in the dark for a bit
BingoBoingo: joecool: There's a bunch of stuff that messes with dreaming.
mthreat: they sell 3mg pills, that is too much, I think
BingoBoingo: mirtazapine is generally the best for inducing trippy weird Vexual like dreams
joecool: i only use it in low dose for jet lag, it's not practical for daily use (and for me the store dosages are way too high)
mthreat: after that, not so much, and it has helped me go to sleep, but I felt a bit groggy in the morning so I stopped taking it.
mthreat: yes. first time it gave me the most intense nightmare I've ever had.
TheNewDeal: well if you're an ethereum dev, it already has done that
TheNewDeal: it's like an inverse graph of ethereum support.
TomServo: That's ethereum's wallet
TomServo: Waterfall back in action...another 4300 or so evacuated.
mod6: PeterL: builds the patched R.I. and compiles it
TheNewDeal: lotta shitty miners getting squeezed out othe marketplace, or what's with the 2 month long hash freeze?
mod6: pm me the error
cazalla: i will be until a scream comes over the baby monitor that someone is awake and demands lunch
thestringpuller: cazalla: you gonna be at the computer for a minute?
felipelalli: thestringpuller: true :)
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I was wondering because I really love the articles there and sometimes I didn't find the "original source".
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have marksmanship standards for the gurlz ?
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/peripateticists-kinda-except-girls-not-boys-bare-cunt-instead-of-toga-and-walking-around-the-house-not-the-garden-but-otherwise-exactly-the-same/
ben_vulpes: (i encourage argument on the topic! conflict being productive and all.)
ben_vulpes: i imagine you've found a way to get it to make them, what with all the "murder gavincoin" talk i've heard.
ben_vulpes: block indices let you dump the blockchain into a rich datastore
ben_vulpes: with all the hoojum around wallets and the db, i can't help but suspect that all the state the reference client should really maintain in terms of db is a) block indices and b) unspent txout pool
mircea_popescu: there's certainly worse things than spending 30 years upstate.
mircea_popescu: there's worse things than dieing.
mircea_popescu: why all this pretense like impalent is the summum malum ?
asciilifeform: or whatever the nice folks handling gavin have in store for his cowardly skin
asciilifeform: not like anbything prevents the man from putting an announcement... "MP was right... << impalement ?
thestringpuller: felipelalli: we were running digital forensics on changetip but they're platform is too fucktarded to track accurately.
ben_vulpes: in the process of running down how vins get populated, just thought i'd share some lulz
felipelalli: I know you guys have an original analysis, but I was wondering if you make digital forensics or go to street interview the people.
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/wallet.cpp#L760 << if this is what's necessary to pull an input out of the db to fill a sendto, the db is not working for you.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli the bitpay fireparty was exclusive to qntra for instance.
thestringpuller: i'm moving into on the street reporting, but we also have done digital forensics
felipelalli: ahahahah :) I mean: you guys go to street like reporters? Like "original research"? Or compilation from other sources? Sorry for ask, not offence.
mircea_popescu: not like anbything prevents the man from putting an announcement on their client, "MP was right, I was wrong but too stupid to realise, sorry all!"
thestringpuller: felipelalli: Do you guys only write original news made by you... << this is misleading? Are you asking do we create news then report on it? Like in that james bond movie?
cazalla: felipelalli, i guess it depends how much we've had to drink the night before
felipelalli: Do you guys only write original news made by you or do you consult other news sources? Or not necessarily?
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-on-the-agenda-for-ciscos-leadership-council-event/
thestringpuller: Look at all the panic we've caused. It's beautiful.
mike_c: and this is before the hard fork.
ben_vulpes: ah okay so this is the famed c++ concurrency story. rad.
cazalla: a real man pulls his carrots from the garden and eats em, dirt an all
assbot: Baby Carrot line, Budget production line machines for the production of Baby Carrots production line - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/14Yrsoc )
ben_vulpes: i don't think i want lathed babes
cazalla: google leads me to believe they machine the shitty ones into cocktail carrots.. this i never knew, i like the ones i grow which end up looking like they have 2 legs and a cock
cazalla: ben_vulpes, what are lathed carrots?
ben_vulpes: mmm, lathed carrots.
mircea_popescu: i've not actually bothered to read teh actual filings
asciilifeform: did defense dispute the 'found with pants down, logged into sr shell' thing ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if all the bumbling to date was simply baiting "the people" into expensive failure.
mircea_popescu: Back in 2013, a separate individual claiming to be Dread Pirate Roberts stated that he/she didnt start the Silk Road, my predecessor did.
mircea_popescu: Dratel instead said that Ulbricht only ran Silk Road for a few months after he created it. Finding it too stressful, Ulbricht reportedly handed the websites reins over to others. As a result, the defense argues that the government is prosecuting the wrong individual for building up a $1.2 billion black market, since Ulbricht is not Dread Pirate Roberts.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> check out the cluelessness << lol poor guy.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> funny how little google and duckduckgo claim to know about al hayat and the islamic state report << that is all a coincidence that has nothing at all to do with what you *should* be knowing.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not bad.
ben_vulpes: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/25/article-2668912-1F12C87000000578-212_306x423.jpg << i'm sending you one of these, thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: funny how little google and duckduckgo claim to know about al hayat and the islamic state report
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@unaffiliated/thestringpuller', is not identified.
fluffypony: Reddit humour: http://imgur.com/a/33Qpw (some guy setup a fake Tinder profile with some stock photos, and proceeded to canvas girls for their opinion on Bitcoin)
mircea_popescu: hey Adlai what's the most obscene, revolting and horrible hebrew swear you can think of ?
cazalla: but i must credit danielpbarron for the idea as first saw him using that to denote which users were coming here from which forum
cazalla: asciilifeform: aha finally figured out why. nm <<< i named it qntranet so it was obvious user is coming from the website instead of random joe blow
Adlai: in planet earth. these things have a way of leaking, even if initially it's just between agencies
mircea_popescu: or to quote monty pythin, "this is the most outrageous miscarriage of justice since tuesday"
mircea_popescu: in the uk ?
Adlai: when was the last time a court ordered somebody to divulge a pgp key?
asciilifeform: Adlai: it'll have to get in the queue. in usa, we pgp users are still waiting to be gassed. since the clinton administration, even.
Adlai: they discourage some people, which satisfies the short term interests of the bureaucrats that actually have to plan and authorize such things
mircea_popescu: exactly the tsar's playbook, that resulted in one dead tsar holding in his arms one dead tsar baby.
mircea_popescu: Adlai both serving more to fan the flames than anything.
mircea_popescu: and it's not fixed yet, either.
Adlai: regarding how to block gossipd: same way that torrents are "blocked"... either by ultimately ineffective packet filtering by ISPs, or by targeted, expensive, and extreme "making examples of" individuals that fuck up badly enough
Adlai: well somewhere along the way humans got quite bad at having sex, probably bottoming out in victorian england, or modern hassidic yeshivas
mircea_popescu: people in the 80s and prior sucked.
mircea_popescu: the saddest thing here being, of course, that the general expectation that the girl's sucking cock is entirely a 90s and after affair.
Adlai: if i wanted comeback i'd have asked your mother to spit in a cup!
mircea_popescu: is that before or after the "no means yes' game ?
Adlai: because i can play the "how old do i look to you?" game
Adlai: apparently all the cool kids ask for this, right? :D
Adlai: btw i would like a statement struck from the logs
Adlai: this was before i started the army
mircea_popescu: that's what i'd do as minister of war i mean peace. fucking power suits. flamethrower in one arm, minigun in other, go for it.
Adlai can't be in the mossad, he didn't even get security clearance to do the simplest possible code shit
mircea_popescu: if the us infantry had what's basically an android chassis, 3 or so meters tall...
mircea_popescu: it's so sad the us is wasting 1 trn to build the f35, instead of building fucking power suits.
mircea_popescu: he's in the israeli army, so he prolly did.
Adlai: also, you don't want money which causes botulism in infants, the earth will be overrun by the spawn of the penniless
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2015 20:34:50; thestringpuller: yea being knee deep in ruby, which is like wading around in horse poop at times
davout: thestringpuller: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2015#976147 <<< you'll develop the taste
Adlai: don't we get the ability to break down botulin very early on?
mircea_popescu: the only thing i like about honey as money is that it gives kids botulism.
mircea_popescu: there's 3k yo grain in egeept.
Adlai: they spoil
mircea_popescu: but apples are nonsense as they never were value store.
Adlai: you can verify their quality visually, no holes / mould - it's a good apple
Adlai: btw in the defense of apples - apples are a simpler value store than coins, because they're directly useful - you can eat them if you're hungry, and you can be pretty sure that other people like to eat them too
Adlai: oh they probably do fine in the old system, the powerlessness which they sense is in the digital domain
Adlai: in the sense that we kept running into stuff like "well are you familiar with the concept of a hash? ok, so a hash is..."
mircea_popescu: the simplified model i'd readily think of being something more akin to "well currently, you people have some sort of control, based on contracts and fiat currency and so on. what we kids are doing is making an entirely new system of control, where you will be entirely powerless.
Adlai: right, we started as apples as money, then moved to coins, paper, digital fiat, cleared digital cash, bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Adlai well then you need a simplified model.
Adlai: "derive" is important... a great way to introduce bitcoin to people is just to explain the problems and solve them together
Adlai: and it brought up the subject
mircea_popescu: "for all the effort he's spent with me, i'd be pouring drinks if it weren't for my own work"
Adlai: i was also forced into this conversation initially, my free choice was just continuing it rather than changing subject
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: let them figure it out, eh ? if the 'first impression' is wrong, it's the impressee not the impressor that has to change.
Adlai: so these are two fewer people who hear about bitcoin for the first time in some cable news screed
mircea_popescu: because to the common imbecile, all things are one thing and that's that.
mircea_popescu: thinking they finance terrorism.
Adlai: but both of these folks now have a very very positive *initial* impression of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and if they did ?
Adlai: because the populace doesn't care that nerds play D&D in their basement, they don't think it finances terrorism
mircea_popescu: why aren't you explaining supreme court practice to them ?
mircea_popescu: of course it's important. everything they don't know is important.
Adlai: it's still important, though. at least, more important than discussing whatever polite smalltalk we could have made otherwise
Adlai: well i was thinking about this afterwards, wondering what the use of spending ~15 minutes explaining a technology to people who made every indication of not being its target audience
mircea_popescu: i don't go about bothering random folk about sumerian tablets, fascinating as they may be ?
mircea_popescu: i dun get why you think either conversation's at all productive ?
Adlai: one was all "this is interesting but computers are not my thing", the other said she'd tell her son to read about it, because he "once tried to explain algorithms to me"
Adlai: nice thing about being so close to roofing the all-time maximum drawdown is that it makes you focus on things other than price when explaining bitcoin from scratch
mircea_popescu: cazalla imo as long as the comment was made by human as opposedto machine, it should be published.
Elian11: the only thing is... i kinda like Yahoo chocolate milk
Adlai: asswot is my new best friend. i come in here, head brimming with stupid, dribble it out all over the channel. then by the time i'm authed i realize none of it is worth repeating.
cazalla: 50/50 on publishing trollish comments but then where do you draw the line? http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-7168
Elian11: yikes, that would make the milk worthless to me
mircea_popescu: you'll prolly have to get it with the slavegirl au paquet, cuz i dunno anyone makes such comercially.
Elian11: No, imo sandwitch is an excellent measure because of the diversity of ingredients and other costs aggregated
cazalla: thestringpuller, did you manage to get that article done on reddit while i was zzz?
Elian11: BLT is the simplest sandwitch it should not be more than 5, and that is with chips
Elian11: hmm, the BLT is tangent unrelated to ongoing anecdotal buying power calculation.
mircea_popescu: iu think it's said in the logs too.
Elian11: ne way, my favourite sandwitch is a BLT. Some clown in the USA tried to charge me 7USD for one once. I almost smacked hin upside the head for that.
thestringpuller: Elian11: publix for the mediocre versions. but i'll go to higher scale grocery stores
Elian11: and what kind of sandwich do you like to eat thestringpuller ?
Elian11: Who is in the states? Would you minde tell about the cost of a sandwitch and what you like to eat?
Elian11: (except stuff on the ferry in/around airport, etc)
kakobrekla: yeah almost 1:1 for the dollar.
Elian11: Euros seem cheap these days, no?
mircea_popescu: http://chicago.suntimes.com/neil-steinberg/7/71/263973/home-of-the-unbrave no sledding for you lmao
ben_vulpes: here's to thebitcoin.foundation
mircea_popescu: so now that bitcoin.org is banned in russia, the real foundation is actually the only legal resource in bitcoin as far asthey're concerned ?
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mircea_popescu: may you and all her bfs be happy together.
assbot: hi there.in the spirit of full disclosure, i like to start with the things people are like ... ( http://bit.ly/1yg5tn7 )
mircea_popescu: "we wouldn't feed the shit you eat to fucking wild hogs already!"
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody reads that in there.
mircea_popescu: "Never feed animals. Feeding wildlife damages their health, alters natural behaviors, and exposes them to predators and other dangers."
ben_vulpes: now you can't even bring the truck.
mircea_popescu: it's larger than the golden gate.
mircea_popescu: do you understand the breathtakingly astounding achievement to get a bunch of teenaged idiots on drugs think "it's not in the spirit" ?>
ben_vulpes: ever heard of the "drive by shooting gallery"?
ben_vulpes: well, a) they're hard to get
mircea_popescu: no no, listen, i mean my words. fireworks. that the stuff available isn't fireworks, that's fine. still social engineering
ben_vulpes: maybe an eye or a finger here or there.
asciilifeform: lizardgoering probably reviewed gossipd and answered, 'mein fuhrer, it's yet another pgp isomorph.' hitler: 'directorate 7b. next.'
ben_vulpes: are you familiar with the "leave no trace" paradigm?
mircea_popescu: they somehow do.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.... whoa nelly. THAT is engineering.
ben_vulpes: they don't, really.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> " it's amazing the mortality rate's that low" << im still wondering at the following social engineering feat :
mircea_popescu: lizard empire very large, very porous, generally i get the good bits before they fully propagated even.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that is, the lizard answer to it?
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm curious what the gossipd "counter" strategy is going to be. 've not had the pleasure of finding anything yet.
mircea_popescu: which is a pity, it was amusing me watching them try.
asciilifeform: 'hackernews' is more 'soviet' in the low-volume / active 'gardeners' running their fingers through the bag in search of undesirables - sense.
asciilifeform: afaik, reddit 'losing' threads is a very uncommon thing. whereas 'hackernews' - sop. this is because reddit follows the american philosophy of 'censorship by shitburial by the megatonne' rather than straight excision.
ben_vulpes: "it's a tragedy!" "no, there are 80K drug-addled party monsters running around in the desert around giant machines built with nary much of a care for safety. it's amazing the mortality rate's that low"
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> [] and someone recently died at burning man << every year, actually.
ben_vulpes: whoa reddit actually deleted the missile crisis thread?
mircea_popescu: there is going to be a transfer of power, and the only thing demuring can possibly accomplish is make it bloody. which i don't mind, because old people are too old as it is. even them out a little.
mircea_popescu: life's not there.
mircea_popescu: twitter, reddit and the rest of the social media crapolade aren't powerful enough. they work, for as long as they suck my cock. otherwise... they're about as useful as homework, who the fuck wants to bother themselves in a playpen designed by adults for "safety".
mircea_popescu: anyway. there IS going to be a transfer of power, and all the bs "let's ban mp on twitter because he stands for priviledge and against our impotent, nonsensical brand of socialism", "let's delete reddit articles because they humiliate our houseboys" etc won't do jack shit.
mircea_popescu: mentioning renton in there not sufficient hm ?
hanbot: aha, i see. those are some highly meaningful quotation marks, around "life" then.
mircea_popescu: it on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves.
mircea_popescu: hanbot the monologue in question is, "Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece su
hanbot: mircea_popescu perhaps i'm reading poorly, but not sure i grok the foreboding re choosing life: "But if you choose "life", remember one important point from Shrem's misadventure :" --if the dead are the old reptiles a la newhouse, clinging to relevancy, wouldn't choosing life be the sane, independent choice?
TomServo: heh, not the sequel
thestringpuller: an old high school buddy of mine once said to me, "Some of the worst things in history have occurred when too many are in one place at once"
mircea_popescu: anyway, by the time they're resorting to such things, they're clearly desperate. the matter must be pressed relentlessly.
thestringpuller: they somehow got derptopolus unshadow banned
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/
mircea_popescu: the one that's still there, andwhich somehow displays thew comments made on the other one, never had more than a few votes
mircea_popescu: the one that's missing had 100s of votes and like 300 comments
mircea_popescu: no, see. there were two reddit submissions, exact same title.
mircea_popescu: either after or before i dun recall.
mircea_popescu: there was a different guy
mircea_popescu: read mah piece on the topic, write your own take, see what qntra editorial board policy is to react to censorship etc.