TheNewDeal: I even remember some of the memorabilia on his website that had some catchy pschiatric puns on them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the stuarts of all people ?!
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About The Debt Ceiling ... ( http://bit.ly/1yXjnwc )
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/07/the_terrible_awful_truth_about_3.html << also pretty good.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mr mold started with a very different kind of 'state agenda' (poorly articulated desire to... resurrect the stuart kings) and ended with... andreesen horowitz
mats: i was under the impression most here believed the fracture of the Internet as it is now is inevitable
TheNewDeal: Is this the same programmer guy who had psychiatric problems?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal most of what the man ever writes is golden. and unlike derps like moldbug or orlov, he a) isn't putting annoyingly self-advertising and b) doesn't actually have a pro-state agenda
mats: http://dockets.justia.com/docket/circuit-courts/ca4/08-6324 << a brief amusement. someone with the surname Merica gave their son a middle name beginning with A.
decimation: m. danton's sans-culottes didn't need laws or instructions to know who their enemies were and what to do
BingoBoingo: Important things clearly labeled there
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/36d94cf3f168d88c055c81ec4a049b7b/tumblr_mnq8fhzIZ41s9ip0zo1_500.jpg << where is this one then ?
trinque: it's not as though they confine those things to a single state
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income ... ( http://bit.ly/15FzqTx )
mircea_popescu: you know he deleted the original ?
mircea_popescu: there we go.
mircea_popescu: he Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid."
mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for T
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.
decimation: similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
decimation: I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's. at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price. he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.
BingoBoingo: afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records
decimation: your local city or state pays them to publish
decimation: asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us
asciilifeform: and a hundred other organizations.
asciilifeform: likewise the credit bureaus
asciilifeform: microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg
asciilifeform: much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws
decimation: note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
asciilifeform: usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: in other news, npt : http://33.media.tumblr.com/da4bd26592ced78f77038d8abe0e627b/tumblr_mom5a2IkFe1ra163eo4_250.gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
assbot: The strange case of the WoodCollector and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15FsMwo )
BingoBoingo: lol http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-woodcollector-and-other-stories/#comment-111747
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes i am.
mircea_popescu: hey there EPiSKiNG-
decimation: asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly
TheNewDeal: Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?
decimation: asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?
asciilifeform: decimation: not the actual (kernel) clock. bitcoind's local delta (which does not presently exist, but must be added in)
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.
asciilifeform: iirc circa '07, at the latest
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: picture was drawn (not by me) even earlier.
asciilifeform: decimation: it - yes. but nothing else on the box.
asciilifeform: decimation: there's no reason to actually set the system clock from bitcoind, on account of it being the only proggy on the box that needs absolute time.
decimation: rare actual reporting in us media: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/comcast-donations-help-company-secure-support-of-time-warner-cable-merger/ < "Both the Democratic Governors Association and Pennsylvania State Mayors’ Association pointed to Comcast’s Internet Essentials program that provides $10-per-month Internet access to low-income families. Comcast agreed to create the program in order to secure approval of its 2011
TheNewDeal: didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets
decimation: asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?
asciilifeform: 'be slaughtered by the latest in...'
asciilifeform: but it's being sold to civilians, and, more particularly, men, and that's rather like pitching captive bolt guns as a product to cattle
mircea_popescu: well that's the idea
asciilifeform: that it might more efficiently manage a queueing of women in the city for processing by local mircea_popescu - possibly
mircea_popescu: the sort that could "buy everything in russia"
asciilifeform: hanbot et al : what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of... << snore. i'm thoroughly unconvinced that anyone is having any sex that would not be being had otherwise without this proggy
asciilifeform: (it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
asciilifeform: and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.
asciilifeform: there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.
BingoBoingo: Other serious engineering problems https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421914688&v=oc9rYaX9en8&x-yt-cl=84503534
BingoBoingo: Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
decimation: it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
decimation: no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
BingoBoingo: Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
decimation: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface
ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
decimation: of course one could just store the number of digits too
decimation: so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
mod6: decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
decimation: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/abcde.html "The latest and best TeX is currently version 3.14159265 (and plain.tex is version 3.141592653); METAFONT is currently version 2.7182818 (and plain.mf is version 2.71). "
mod6: decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
mircea_popescu: hence the boiler room name
decimation: re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
mircea_popescu: go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
mircea_popescu: anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
mod6: anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
mod6: so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
BingoBoingo: More on the Pindo that called for Linux to quit Linus http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/
mod6: and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
mod6: so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63
BingoBoingo: Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks
ben_vulpes: can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос
asciilifeform: a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'
asciilifeform: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works
asciilifeform: 'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.
ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element
mats: indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
asciilifeform: unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.
ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps
mike_c: brother of 20year
gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY
ben_vulpes: ;;seen the20year
gribble: mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK
TheNewDeal: Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
mircea_popescu: smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.
mircea_popescu: mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
thestringpuller: there has to be like 1
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
mike_c: *they're
mike_c: their coming, we promise.
mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to instruct here.
mircea_popescu: until they don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
asciilifeform: unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA
mircea_popescu: or whatever else, all paths lead to the same spot.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
mircea_popescu: whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,
mircea_popescu: that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.
mircea_popescu: mno, the current one is us-friendly.
mircea_popescu: whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.
asciilifeform: 'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.
mircea_popescu: hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.
asciilifeform: not necessary for the analogy.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught
asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?
mod6: i kinda like the notion.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000
mircea_popescu: and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.
asciilifeform: (ideally, what runs on toy node will be quite the same thing as used on normal machines, but built for the embedded cpu)
asciilifeform: simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.
asciilifeform: can't use time of last block then
asciilifeform: and then reconnected
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
asciilifeform: timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once
asciilifeform: it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...
mircea_popescu: it's the only way to do time.
asciilifeform: one more patch then.
asciilifeform: (there is no battery.)
asciilifeform: without ntp, box has literally no notion of what the time is.
asciilifeform: decimation: tricky, this. ntp is quite likely to be the weakest link here. central point of failure.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.
asciilifeform: mod6: if we're prepared for the eventuality that only our nodes answer our nodes - then yes.
phillipsjk was asking about the pics
mod6: so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1
asciilifeform: mod6: version number is actually used in the proggy
mod6: <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"
ben_vulpes: anything interesting in the logs today?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: splitting the net
asciilifeform: why make it easy for the bastards.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: this has more than merely ceremonial effect, as, iirc, there are phoundation nodes that won't talk to < 0.8
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: consider mutilating the version string. perhaps 'Serenissima 1.5.3.x' ?
asciilifeform: or if cannot reach the net.
asciilifeform: i'm having it turn red once the drive fills.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is an output device: bicolour led.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wants to hand these out at parties.
phillipsjk: Should be possible then.
phillipsjk: Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want
phillipsjk: yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: original thread concerned experiments with machines that will run bitcoind that fit these characteristics.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production.
trinque: in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load
asciilifeform: (until somebody plugs the leaks)
asciilifeform: repopulated missing solder pads for rs232 console. very handy for kernel work. i suggest that any of you who purchased a unit, do the same.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: how it is to work: machine boots from nand flash, walks attached mass storage device list, tests if any contains ext3 filesystem with blockchain therein. if found, used. if not found, device is formatted and bitcoind runs there. runs inside a loop, if oomkilled - resurrected.
nubbins`: with the proper mesh count anything is possible
mircea_popescu: the advantage of silk sheets is you can silkscreen tits and stuff with your bare hands.
nubbins`: hilariously, you are literally either in the ocean or a vast, uninhabited wilderness reserve if you are 80km from me
mircea_popescu: hey nubbins` did you handcarve the turkey last thskgiving ?
davout: nubbins`: you better call the bitcoin police
nubbins`: and he got the phone number wrong ;/
nubbins`: my home address was already public on the forum
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mircea_popescu: <MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.
mircea_popescu: <gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute
mircea_popescu: but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.
mircea_popescu: but yes, that is pretty much exactly what your average libertard thinks politics is : "people with no money telling the people with money how they may proceed"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "because you are in the minority" derp.
PeterL: mircea_popescu: what happens with your 25% offer if they never stick megablocks into bitcoin-core code?
lobbes: phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian
mircea_popescu: "Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.
mircea_popescu: "social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.
mircea_popescu: libertard has cut up the pie!
mircea_popescu: "There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesnt start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?
thestringpuller: "Don't you know? Human beings become omniscient, infallible gods the moment they begin accepting a paycheck from the state."
TheNewDeal: I am just imaginging advertisements on the TV, similar to those during political season in usia, with some phony from the Bitcoin Foundation and a sign "10gb blocks in 2016"
phillipsjk: By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: crazy
pete_dushenski: The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the last ddos knocked out my phones too
pete_dushenski: California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people!
mircea_popescu: ^ look through there, it's discussed plenty
pete_dushenski: i experienced the same 30 min ddos thing while fiddling with new irc clients
phillipsjk: So you think it is jsut from joining this channel then?
mircea_popescu: what, the kid just spikes a few kps for five minutes and then that's it, givwesu p ?
phillipsjk: Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255: 182.134.248.255 125.89.36.255 221.89.36.255
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: so what intel do you have about these attacks?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk told you the same in pm lol, did you get that ?
phillipsjk: I wonder if just joining this channel gets me on the hit-list.
phillipsjk: Have people been experiencing DDOS attacks? I have the sketchiest data, but suspect 1.2Gbps on saturday and larger today
pete_dushenski: and if there's one cab, $100
mircea_popescu: the cabs should fucking cost 10 dollar.
mircea_popescu: tell you what : if there's fifty people willingm to pay 1 dollar and five people willing to pay 10 dollars, and 5 cabs,
mircea_popescu: "uber promises to make the market not work"