phillipsjk: trinque, because that is the only thing MIcrosoft supports. Therefore every USB stick is pre-formatted with it. I understand you removed Microsoft compatibility from your code anyway.
phillipsjk: They require the drive to be partitioned to use UDF. (making the partition cover the whole disk works)
trinque: why use vfat in the first place?
mircea_popescu: microsoft is not in the wot.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron include that bit in the write-up, will be the identification for rebate.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what's wrong with connecting to the node properly on 8333 and spraying your tx in ?
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: one of the motivations for this particular project is so that no bitcoin user can ever again have an 'upgrade' foisted on him by a phoundation shitgnome.
mircea_popescu: you don't plug it into the wall
phillipsjk: Yes, I understand the appeal of a "set it and forget it" box. Sometimes, upgrades are kind of forced on users though. My former ISP mailed out a VSDL Modem when the local monopoy stopped supporting the older ADSL modem.
asciilifeform: if one of you wants to print glossy stickers to cover the oem case, with dire warnings re: drive will be formatted, etc. whatever, cardboard boxes, - why not. but this is a luxury
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk i don't think anyone'll be able to beat the "spend a coupla hours having fun with real deal code, then forget about it" deal.
nubbins`: minimal, but nonetheless
asciilifeform: no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while
mircea_popescu: i don't want to be shipping these out by hand if i can help it.
asciilifeform: just... breed them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only problem is getting the first unit
nubbins`: luser can go to walmart and buy one off the shelf, plug it in at home
asciilifeform: idea being, unless you actually want to perform the deterministic build (want pedigreed sources, etc.) you don't need a pc.
mircea_popescu: problem is the chain won't fit.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that's not the problem : anyone with half a clue can do the same and make a diff bitcoin static
asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
mircea_popescu: you know, when the space kept doubling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but he'll hjave to get gavin to sell him some of those magical 10 terrabyte ssd's he has from the future.
asciilifeform: a determined luser could, in principle, rebuild the entire thing with phoundation's turd in place of ours, sure
mircea_popescu: i specifically do not wish the purchase tobe identifiable.
nubbins`: or do a thing like raspi did, sub it out to the mfg's
mircea_popescu: let people just buy thjem themselves.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem : to have them shipped to a central location and then shipped out trebles the cost
phillipsjk: I am sure you all know about the block-size controversy. How harw will it be for the end-user to change the block-size on these units?
nubbins`: and also toss out the fact that a "ready to go" version will make .foundation more financially independent
nubbins`: i wholeheartedly encourage you to ship the devices as you see fit
nubbins`: anyway, consider the quantity suitably modified
nubbins`: i'm rich, why the fuck do you think i can sit around here all day?
asciilifeform: conjecture is that there is a set of folks who want to do this, but aren't now because 'i haven't a second pc' or 'fan too loud' ?
trinque: the filesharing thing has always appealed to me
trinque: are there any services a derpuser might be able to use within his own network if he has a full node?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: okay, then i'm talking about "nubbins orders 10k units, pre-loads the code, does what he just described, makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$, donates 10% to .foundation, moves to dutch antilles"
mircea_popescu: the long term benefit is a "just keep it powered and you are providing one full node"
nubbins`: those who want to keep running their nodes will. those who don't will cash out (or not!) and stop.
nubbins`: you can't persuade people to do something long-term if they don't see a long-term benefit, period.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but this is an "owner orders unit and loads the code"
asciilifeform: i for one do not have an earth-shatteringly clever answer to the conundrum of how to persuade maxint people to buy & plug these in
nubbins`: however, generating a bunch of signed transactions and loading a single one onto each unit, which the eventual owner may spend or discard as he sees fit...
nubbins`: but giving money to people who pop on irc and provide photos of their gear is retarded
asciilifeform: some idiot will buy, redeem the reward, and turn in for scrap
nubbins`: and just store the tx
asciilifeform: but if you wanted to have any 'wallet' functionality, the thing would have to take rpc commands or equivalent on the lan, but more direly, would need either rng or an embedded one-time pad
nubbins`: this is why i'm having trouble making the leap
asciilifeform: ip is already screaming 'node!!!' into the night
nubbins`: sending coin is a no-no because it identifies the IP as running a node?
mircea_popescu: understand : naked cunt on the internet, no big deal. your ad tracking cookie in browser ? huge deal.
nubbins`: privacy implications in photographing the inside of your home?
mircea_popescu: not so crazy about the privacy implications.
nubbins`: but for the purposes of this -- a pre-loaded one-time-use address
asciilifeform: can embed canned entropy in the eeprom but obvious caveats.
asciilifeform: no rng in these machines. literally none.
nubbins`: daemon monitors addresses of distributed units, disburses funds in the form of btc when a unit goes live
mircea_popescu: but w/e, if you were going to get yourserlf one, get yourself three, give to your gf and your mother, get rebate for the two
mircea_popescu: entirely up to them.
nubbins`: most people would not take the 50 back
TomServo: Something along the lines of a freenas build that includes a fullnode, gossipd server, ntp server, #b-a-wot-curated datahaven, or whatever else sounds useful.
TomServo: I wonder, would there be any interest in developing a companion to the junior woodchuck node?
nubbins`: slap some thebitcoin.foundation branding on it
mike_c: snsa going to sell the node in a box?
trinque: Apocalyptic | trinque, by the way how's deedbot coming along ? << I have been tied up with work the past few days, but not much more to be done. a tweak on the hashing bit to re-hash when an invalid privkey is generated, then the check-confirmations-and-upload cron job.
mike_c: TomServo: what's the address again?
TomServo: Update from your friendly waterfall wallet watcher: Remaining balance currently @ 10,295.86675525 BTC after another ~2900 left yesterday.
mircea_popescu: guy walks into a bank : "hold it motherstickers! this is a fuckup!!!!!"
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it.
hanbot: BingoBoingo actually it's rather suspect, there being only the one extant link of that bitcoin magazine drama left @ tardstalk.
assbot: Officers Ask Map App To Remove Police-Tracking : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz7GwN )
punkman: more on the same theme http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/01/28/382013185/officers-ask-map-app-to-remove-police-tracking
punkman: "In response to the drone crash at the White House this week, the Chinese maker of the device that crashed said it is updating its drones to disable them from flying over much of Washington, D.C."
assbot: 'Super-secure' BlackPhone pwned by super-silly txt msg bug • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cz56GY )
BingoBoingo: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/01/27/trivial_hole_left_black_phones_open_to_plunder/
asciilifeform: better would be to plug the leaks.
asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, mod6, jurov, ben_vulpes: blockheight 6391 oomkill (and died. forgot to run the loop variant that day)
punkman: "so 2013 glibc fixed a bug, 2014 google found+fixed the same bug https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=364511 … and 2015 qualys found it again.."
mats: 5:17:44 <+adlai> mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar << uh, ok
thestringpuller: the war chests are filling
adlai: the nerve of this one!: "i can't come to tel aviv for personal reasons, so please meet me in <shithole> and bring cash" at least they're offering a discount but comeon.
nubbins`: (for some definition of the word)
nubbins`: maybe vexual can get a didgeridoo / koala-ribcage-xylophone setup on the go
nubbins`: [10:47:25] diana_coman (~diana_com@unaffiliated/diana-coman/x-8319396) joined the channel.
nubbins`: jurov not everything but it sure does take the edge off XD
diana_coman: hi jurov, did it? I had set up the cloak stuff, but possibly it fails to put it on before joining the channel in some situations (such as recovering from a connection drop), hmmm
jurov: hi diana_coman, you know about the ddos bot? your ip flashed here when you looged in
jurov: he's always the first one to stumble on problems in my shit
nubbins`: ^ forum tards resorting to producing videos to verify their physical locations
nubbins`: pete_dushenski:why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption? <<< becoming the world's largest economy is usually a thing that happens with some level of reluctance, like when it happened with the usa, and later when it happened with china
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice. <<< afaik "ideal woman" for most men is a robot with a pussy
assbot: The Billion-Dollar Aphorisms of Hedge Fund Cult Leader Ray Dalio -- New York Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bx2rwf )
punkman: those metal sticks will come in useful for the hangings
punkman: check out the square from diff view http://www.skoutelis-zanon.gr/files/items/4/4/plateia1.jpg
Vexual: if you've been watching black sails, season two starts to describe captain flint ant the snivelling john silver
punkman: http://www.cretapost.gr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/236478.jpg << there was a bit of dancing
adlai: mats: the key is to remember that the market's average returns will always increase when priced in a well-inflated bezzlar
Vexual: barrelling on thru the night
assbot: The inalienable rights railroad. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yMEr8m )
pete_dushenski: actually, that would explain the nootropic fad
pete_dushenski: me: Let's see, there are password managers for the tech-savvy and pieces of paper for the less tech-savvy. An engineer is me!
mats: there i was, thinking TSLA was seriously overvalued at 95 bux a share
mats: i learned not to short heirs to the bezzlar throne some time ago
pete_dushenski: short all the techs!
mircea_popescu: taxes is felt like an attack on the Second Amendment. "Liberals! Taking away our rights!"
mircea_popescu: unches), the less frequently their water balloon worldview is tested by people with pins, the more they will cling to the premise that "facts" are what's important. In this way the one personal issue serves as a reference point which the propaganda exploits: "hey, gun advocates, did you know you like low corporate taxes?" I do? "Yes, because the people you hate are for raising them." Consequently, raising corporate
mircea_popescu: Commonly, independents have a single personal issue, say gun rights or abortion, but no personal experience with other issues, and lacking any subjective starting point, they therefore believe that ONLY objectivity will give them the truth. The less life experience they have the better; the less they've seen of the world, the fewer people they've argued with (in person, where it is real and has real consequences like p
assbot: Apple Just Had The Most Profitable Quarter Of Any Company Ever | TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8kBnu )
mats: http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/27/apple-just-had-the-biggest-quarterly-earnings-of-any-company-ever/
mircea_popescu: even better : call structured societies that are immune to both the media and the issues it brings "cults" and go back to the charade!
mircea_popescu: o do this heavy lifting as long as they are given just the right facts, filtered from the "noise." "Where can we get the right facts, in a world of liars?" Good question, maybe the news?
mircea_popescu: They consider themselves leaderless. They can have representatives, they can have "evangelists" but they have to believe that their conclusions are all their own, through individual reflection and objective consideration. Interestingly, and on purpose, they believe their brains can handle such an analysis, any analysis. This isn't arrogance. They are told, by universities and the media, that their mind is prepared t
mircea_popescu: The "independent" demo actually has all the textbook characteristics of a group most susceptible to propaganda, more correctly "pre-propaganda", and by textbook I mean literally Propaganda.
mircea_popescu: "That does sound different. And awesome. What did their Millennial kids inherit, what did they experience over their adult lives, say 1929-1945?"
mircea_popescu: religion among educated whites in favor of science. Not physics or chemistry, but evolution. Tabloids were incomprehensibly popular, partisan media the norm. A loosening of conventional morality manifested as bored promiscuity, female bisexuality, and a flood of new porn the likes of which never existed before.
mircea_popescu: Well, yes, obviously, there had just been a massive leap forward in technology and industrialization, a booming economy fueling a wealth gap, temporarily course corrected by a financial panic "precipitated" by the failure of two overspeculating brokerage houses. There were also, simultaneously, great advances in progressive causes like worker's rights and food quality, all on the background of decreasing importance of
mircea_popescu: "But that book was written in 1908. Based on what I've seen on Downton Abbey, things were a lot different then."
assbot: Full text of "The process of government; a study of social pressures" ... ( http://bit.ly/1D8jnZu )
mircea_popescu: amnyway, you should make a point of sexually challenging your mother. keeps her young.
mircea_popescu: but you realise your jewish mother's reaction to your handling of exposed random tits
adlai: let's examine the contrapositive: "a self-identifying feminist who is not my mom, will not be hung around long enough to guage her response to a publicly breastfeeding woman"
adlai: the breastfeeder is not necessarily a feminist, although doing so in public might boost the base rate
adlai: then again, seeing a twitter shitfest go down irl is much more amusing :D
mircea_popescu: are these feminists lactating ?
adlai: i guess they just don't take to twitter
mircea_popescu: it's the little guy in your head telling you you're an idiot. which you probably are. read and think more, hashtag less, it'll go away.
mircea_popescu: well... your fear of being an object has nothing to do with either breastfeeding, porn or the public.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's fucking unfortunate that the rabid imbeciles misidentifying themselves as "feminists" can't see the breastfeeding in public thing as anything but "war on porn".
mircea_popescu: "i am on the internet and can't write out asshole"
adlai: "Overfitting generally occurs when a model is excessively complex" << my model currently consists of: the order book, the trades, my balance, my trades. can't get simpler than this, although that also means that any change gets closer to "excessively complex"
adlai: that is some winning on volatility, i'd even say that it nearly perfectly pwned that hour of trading... now let's get the other 23
mircea_popescu: adlai not readily obvious what your retarded semi tractor trailer theree is :D
pete_dushenski: one guy is on the pro tour now
pete_dushenski: we even renamed our library, the cameron library, "the cameron casino" because that's pretty much all we did
adlai: infantile as it is, sometimes fortune favors the bold, and scalpl does beautiful shit like http://i.imgur.com/2WBFwjy.png
pete_dushenski: spent most of undergrad at the card table
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: anybody here play/have played poker at casinos frequently? << if you mean irl, and not the retarded usg run stuff, then yes. http://trilema.com/2010/high-society/
mats: nah, i browsed the post history. definitely a reader.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 18:50:39; asciilifeform: turd is not a substitute for sausage, despite the topological similarities.
mircea_popescu: In Bitcoin this responsibility is based not in law, but fact. LocalBitcoins chose to fart on their plates and some of their weaker customers who trusted them are now ill. It doesn't matter where what was served was contaminated, but that LocalBitcoins served poison. Yes the consumers ought to have known better, but in the future knowing better means escewing a venue that sells turds as sausages on the virtue of both be
mircea_popescu: "But they still served the shit. Don't blame the mice when you find them in your kitchen. Place the person who invited the mice by spreading crumbs. If you have a platform and incorporate a third party element into it you are responsible for whatever harm that element brings.
BingoBoingo: Also prototype for the modern suburban commuter.
BingoBoingo: and deputy surveyor, failed in business, and was elected to the Illinois General
BingoBoingo: clerked in a store, split rails, enlisted in the Black Hawk War, served as postmaster
BingoBoingo: Abraham Lincoln spent his early adulthood. The six years Lincoln spent in New
BingoBoingo: about 20 miles Northwest of Springfield, is a reconstruction of the village where
BingoBoingo: "The New Salem Experience
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: roaches don't particularly care if you know that you have roaches. << then why do they take so much care to avoid the light ?
mircea_popescu: having the bug silently fixed put it in the best possible world : the people upstream done with it, the people downstream unlike to ever have it.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, like Lincoln. Europeans have places to stop inbetween the places they walk.
mircea_popescu: Because one of these days we won't be able to even make the minimum monthly payment, and, keeping to the household budget analogy, in those circumstances what happens isn't that the family goes bankrupt, what happens is that the couple gets divorced. Pray on this."
mircea_popescu: So when you get the temporary reprieve tomorrow-- and it is temporary-- you should do whatever you have to to get off the dole; you are getting off of it anyway.
mircea_popescu: Not to mention that no politician wants to be remembered as the guy who made his constituency go unpaid. Public choice theory will save you by August 2, even as it wrecks you all the other times.
mircea_popescu: paid, it has to, we need it for the chairs.
mircea_popescu: "So it is inevitable that a deal will be struck by August 2, because that deal doesn't actually mean anything. This a is husband and wife arguing about rebalancing the household budget, each pretending they aren't going to pay the electric until he's agreed to cut back on beer and she's agreed not to be such a bitch. Whether they do it or not is irrelevant, the electric's still getting paid. The electric always gets
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I lack a crystal ball, but when I say poverty makes the distance too much I mean people are walking their commutes.
phillipsjk: Apparently they attacked my while I was sleeping last night :P
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: The hostile DDoS bot is nothing if not unreliable.
BingoBoingo: I do though seriously mean mirco over micro. Very similar, just poverty makes the distance too much.
pete_dushenski: and i love the quizzical look that people give me when i suggest precisely that
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the language is a good point
BingoBoingo: AUS went to far firstest on the minimum wage thing
mircea_popescu: imo nz/au will be the worst hit.
BingoBoingo misses the idea of Rhodesia
pete_dushenski: o that thing, their baby-imf
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski yes, they created a thing with the russians and iran and india and everyone.
mircea_popescu: that could as well read "the pbc will promote orderly dismantling of the unioted states starting 2015"
pete_dushenski: The People’s Bank of China will promote yuan internationalization in an orderly way this year, according to a Jan. 20 statement published on its website. << just tawk then?
mircea_popescu: in any case, the fed didn't go "mp sunk gavin's idiocy and with that our last hope to subvert bitcoin"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyway the GAW story was one of the first cazalla used to propel qntra to relevance. Like in the BFL case Ars is going to have to accept they abided a thing until their declaration of scam was entirely irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: the us is trying to hack something like this together, with a bevy of capital control laws.
pete_dushenski: why don't other countries pursue this? lack of domestic consumption?
mircea_popescu: moldysnizz: I've accepted my new identiy as the snizz < so get in the assbot wot then
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Lacks the same satisfaction.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Because the Chicoms need to export, because employment and socialism.
BingoBoingo: Now if sponsored I would happily take a crap on their front stoop. As Cartman offers, that is the best way to get an undesirable neighbor to leave.
mircea_popescu: afaik the chinese do not wish this.
pete_dushenski: The yuan overtook Canada’s dollar to rank fifth for use in global payments, bolstering the case for the International Monetary Fund to endorse it as a reserve currency.
pete_dushenski: either important or BingoBoingo's kind of mischief
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski> taking down their front page and posting, for one << Not my kind of mischeif
mircea_popescu: this proposes they're that important.
pete_dushenski: taking down their front page and posting, for one
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pay them a visit, maybe. letter... just goes to recyclew.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual musicians tell me that the head music is a mirage. << this is correct. much like "ideal woman" that one wouldn't actually suffer in practice.
pete_dushenski: if they make it that long
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'll wait until Ars fires their second bullet at GAW at least.
BingoBoingo remembers 796 being birthed around the Time MPOE options bot still ran and Ars technical dregged the bottom of the ocean to write on every Bitcoin options exchange except MPOE/MPEx
mircea_popescu: " I wanted and needed the information in its "natural raw" state and in as comprehensive a volume as it was practical for me to make full use of it. But the most important thing about this move was to guard against the chance of intelligence being used to influence or to lead the President into unwise decisionsand I thought it was necessary that the President do his own thinking and evaluating."
mircea_popescu: yeah i recall them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think hanbot was still on Bitcointalk long enough to shit on them. Basically the same deal except explicitly Chinese.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo reminds one of the entire cryptostocks / vcx debacle.
BingoBoingo: Speak of the devil. A socialized losses incident https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=938765.0
BingoBoingo: If it isn't in the WoT it is fair game.
BingoBoingo: Mega lol The turk is to pay the jew, on the price of the day, twenty oca of prime pastrami, which he ate ; and the jew to pay the turk twenty lire, for having tricked him giving a sack of clothes that held no clothes, but pastrami, and not proper sheep pastrami, but jew pastrami.
mircea_popescu: it'll get raped later on as the chain complexifies.
mircea_popescu: "some derp told tall tales on the phone!! TO A WOMAN!"
asciilifeform: ru intends to match usa at the 'let's pretend to be cretins' olympics.
asciilifeform: 'Podobny explicitly states in a recorded phonecall that he works for the SVR, and even expresses their disappointment that spycraft was not what they dreamed of. Podobny told his colleague, The fact that Im sitting with a cookie right now at the
chief enemy spot. Fuck! Not one point of what I thought then, not even close.'
BingoBoingo: Ironically Anna Chapman resembles local family named Chapman I grew up with. Father was chess coach. Inexplicably bad at playing for his knowledge of the game.
mircea_popescu: nono, was another one
asciilifeform: or rather, '09
mircea_popescu: didn't they just embarass themselves with the "high tech" capture of some slut on vacation and half a dozen steeds, last year ?
assbot: US charges Russian 'spies' suspected of trying to recruit New Yorkers | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1nHdZ )
asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/us-charges-alleged-russian-spies-new-york << loltronic
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: No, literally educated black college students acting out old songs from the south for the entertainment of white people
BingoBoingo: tripleslash: I spent this past weekend in an IRL version of reddit. If you are brave enough next year can pass the deets.
mircea_popescu: well either queer or not very bright.
mircea_popescu: "and which one was the llama"
mircea_popescu: "did your mom have oyu with another woman or something ?"
mircea_popescu: lmao this suggests a new insult for the chronically whiteknighting libertard warrior.
BingoBoingo: Inevitable consequence of RISC CISC hybrid created for high performance on some tasks and failure otherwise
TheNewDeal: !down TheNEwDeal
asciilifeform: most of the 4m is crud incidentally
mircea_popescu: once people start coding with a view to coding, rather than being massive flaming cockidiots.
asciilifeform: 3324 rather
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lz68 )
assbot: $ armv5tel-softfloat-linux-gnueabi-readelf -d -t bitcoind There are 28 section - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1z1lsr0 )
decimation: they have those too: http://www.barriersdirect.co.uk/bollards-c1022/plastic-bollards-traffic-cones-c1113
mircea_popescu: maybe they progress to dildos soon