mircea_popescu: if you recall the soviet vairant, you know why it's so funny.
mircea_popescu: "The #OWS demo wants to see powerful men humbled before the t-shirted, tweeting masses, it allows them the fantasy that it could some day happen here, which it won't because the propaganda worked."
mike_c: would be nice if this script wasn't polluted with html tags.. http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000031.html
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If Matonis is more comfortable tweeting qntra articles and hanging around the margins, he knows the invite is out there. As much as the Vessennes episode seemed to burn him I can not fault him if he wants to take some time before committing to allegiances in the future. Especially since being older, but not yet a codger he likely has ropes to contend with.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The invitation's been extended on a platform he monitors (Twatter). If he wants in it is his turn to move.
BingoBoingo prefers making these bets on the shady books for the purpose of rescuing BTC from less responsible hands
BingoBoingo: Well Anything less than 10 when facing Serena has been +ev for me. I tend to bet just enough to raise the projected winning to around and even BTC. This time though I went smaller
asciilifeform: not much there.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: tar << self-explanatory in the comments
asciilifeform: had to manually download the 4.8 sources << for my crossdev buildatron, you have to.
ben_vulpes cracks the archive
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> straight up, do this properly & foundation could significantly fill its coffers << hey might not even have to foot the bill for con4 whaddaya think mod6 ;P
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's that something that works on one *nix the right way should work on most of them.
mike_c: i blame the foundation. i'm following your noob guide.
ben_vulpes: oh all *nixen are the same nao?
ben_vulpes: i'm reluctant to include patches for deb 6 in the "fundation"'s domain.
ben_vulpes: how are you handling the ghost vulnerability?
ben_vulpes: then..."ghost".
ben_vulpes: mike_c: in my experiments i had to manually download the 4.8 sources.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Yes Serena can win, but... odd suggest otherwise even though I'd prefer a different opponent to bet on.
ben_vulpes: although interestingly recently the asshats were making fun of linux committers for calling "large refactors" "antisocial"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability << most everything
BingoBoingo: Odds are favorable for betting the underdog.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, the Serena William match starts in about an hour. Australian Open semifinals. Plenty of time to find a shady book.
pete_dushenski: or at least the kind of (young) man that finds claims more interesting when there's something at stake
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, funding obvious badbets is what kicks the Bitbet mixer into action. And BitBet mixer is best mixer
BingoBoingo anticipates though a Matonis submits a piece to qntra BitBet would fall in the BadBets pile.
BingoBoingo: Also Matonis spreading the @qntra tweets over and over again, not back to back... https://twitter.com/jonmatonis
BingoBoingo: So many mega lulz in the Barret Brown pile
mircea_popescu: all the pissy handlers. all the impatient phone calls. the embarassment of the recent fed paper.
mircea_popescu: they hadn't anticipated exactly how easy it is to get killed doing it.
mircea_popescu: well, no, actually yhat's it : they have been trying to break it, and irretrievably so.
asciilifeform: almost like these folks specifically anticipated what we are doing here.
asciilifeform: looking at recent releases, found that the whole orphans mechanism was screwed with to the point of unrecognizability
asciilifeform: during chain load or otherwise
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: wat
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, mircea_popescu - not so
thestringpuller: none of them?
asciilifeform: did anyone ever conclusively identify the first bitcoind release that didn't leak like a sieve ?
asciilifeform: the mapOrphanBlocks shitpile never gets flushed.
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone using it seriously - the sort of derps that'd want that moved to ubuntu anyway
asciilifeform: it isn't a memory leak in the usual sense
asciilifeform: might need to plug that leak before these sail.
mircea_popescu: almsot there eh ? :D
asciilifeform: (they conveniently packaged it)
asciilifeform: was an ftp full of nice stuff, that one could never get quite enough of, and consequently was tempted to buy the disk
asciilifeform: it seems to be a custom left over from the days of 9600 baud
trinque: its some subset of or the whole apt collection
asciilifeform: (theirs - or ours - whichever comes first)
asciilifeform: ^ i put this here because it is a mega-lol that ought to be recited at the hangings.
mats: http://www.naftemporiki.gr/finance/athexTreemap << athens market tanks 9% following disclosure of Tsipras' genius plan
asciilifeform: nce to his counsel within ten (10) days of the date of this order.'
asciilifeform: e, as it was not used to commit any of the crimes of which he was convicted or used in conjunction with any of these crimes. Thus, notwithstanding the agreement between the parties, the court declines to accept the portion of the Plea Agreement that requires Defendant to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independence. Accordingly, the court orders the Government to return Defendants copy of the Declaration of Independe
asciilifeform: 'With respect to Defendants inquiry during the January 16, 2015 sentencing hearing regarding the return of his copy of the Declaration of Independence, Defendants counsel acknowledged that this is one of the items that Defendant agreed to forfeit as part of his Plea Agreement. Upon further reflection, however, the court can think of no reason why Defendant should have to forfeit his copy of the Declaration of Independenc
asciilifeform: reveals that only 20 of his 56 'sentence points' came from the youtube thing.
asciilifeform: mats: and given that authentication happens on receipt of first packet - with antireplay nonce - unscannable for (you can't tell if a machine is a brick, a live box refusing to relay ping, or a gossip-udp node)
mod6: just make /sure/ to patch in the specified order.
asciilifeform: mats: forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise << there were several points. i recommend reading that entire thread, well worth the time
mod6: ok, well, the latest build guide will help you.
mod6: sorry for the trouble here.
mod6: after those are done, i'll revisit all of this again. i'll pull that link off the website for now..
mod6: right now, i gotta figure out how to patch the test servers
mod6: not right this minute or anything, but sometime in the next 2 weeks probably.
asciilifeform: Error! The resulting file count after pruning did not match\n
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 1 to 2 with note: Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
mod6: !rate asciilifeform 2 Amazing builder guy. Doing cool things for The Bitcoin Foundation and No Such lAbs
assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 10-Aug-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: #bitcoin-assets & No Such lAbs.
mod6: yeah, its on the website
asciilifeform: ever got the thing to work ?
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 3 with note: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
mod6: !rate jurov 3 The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer & script foo
assbot: You rated user jurov on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: The Bitcoin Foundation Treasurer.
mod6: my key was in the /mnt/btc-dev/build-script-test/.gnupg, but it didn't echo out... not sure why yet.
jurov: &> file (aka >& file) is not part of the official POSIX shell spec, but has been added to many Bourne shells as a convenience extension (it originally comes from csh).
mod6: seems to be. i'll post the typescript
mod6: jurov: ok thanks again man, i linked your email with the fixed version & sig file to the website.
mod6: jurov: good work. we gotta get you to review this stuff all the time
mod6: jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest << i /knew/ there had to be an easier way. i seem to remember asking, but anyway.
jurov: i may retry the 0.0.4 tomorrow, too tired (it's centos 6)
mod6: <+jurov> mod6, also it left all qt-related files in << that's weird. pm me a list of the files or dpaste 'em
mats: y'all give TCP a bad rap. it works exceedingly well for the goals, which is automagical conservative scaling of speed to dynamically changing throughput over opaque paths, which makes it reliable. reliable is good.
mats: 16-12-2014 01:38:56 <asciilifeform> here's a very rough description of above experiment ... << forgive me if i don't get the point of this (secrecy and deniability?). traffic can be correlated if the circuit is long-term, you tunnel a two way protocol, disruption causes retransmits, and there's noise
mircea_popescu: This is the whole gimmick of media, not polar but triangular, right, left, middle, mobilizing an army of assonauts to feel strongly enough about something that they don't do anything.
mircea_popescu: You'll counter that there are right leaning and left leaning independents, isn't there a difference? but this misses the point: propaganda doesn't try to get you to believe something, but to do something, and in this case it is to do nothing-- it doesn't matter what you choose to believe, as long as your outrage is done from inside your house.
mircea_popescu: The media explains how things relate to him, and as long as he understands what's going on, he feels empowered. He is given an ideology without even knowing it. Now he doesn't actually have to do anything, indeed, it's way the hell better if he does nothing. All that's required is support, and through his support not only will "the right things" happen but he'll share in the credit.
mircea_popescu: in other news, teh house with a view : http://40.media.tumblr.com/ff28f8f3c38b47d61f479bac676d0bf0/tumblr_miu8wxWBEe1rhlfrbo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: souflakis is particularly rich. "we will agree with you through the simple process of you all being just as stupid as we are. problem solved."
mircea_popescu: typical moive, too, now that they've got all the free money that they were liable to get. greece is basically a hooker.
mircea_popescu: humanitarian disaster, yeah. greeks no longer able to spend whole day crowding the coffee shops across the acropolis, acting like they're the russian rich people coming to visit
mircea_popescu: "Alexis Tsipras said on Wednesday that he wanted a "viable, mutually beneficial solution" to what he called a humanitarian disaster his country has suffered as a result of the austerity imposed by its creditors."
mircea_popescu: speaking of al jazeera usa - http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/09/how_does_the_shutdown_relate_t.html tlp on point as usual.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English << the great us - germany war heating up huh.
jurov looks at pruning code in utter disbelief... was thinking that everyone konws the cp --parents trick to copy files named in manifest
mats: nubbins`: b-but the jews do ok
nubbins`: this fucking asshole plants a flag in a part of the desert so dry the fucking BEDOUIN don't go there
assbot: American plans to use 'his' piece of Africa for advancement of science | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rrcrr )
nubbins`: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/16/american-claim-africa-science-jeremiah-heaton-egypt-sudan
mats: "Our people are suffering and demand respect ... We must bleed to defend their dignity"
assbot: Greek PM: We will no longer submit to the EU - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttDbql )
mod6: --logger-file file Same as --logger-fd, except the logger data is written to file file. Note that --log-file is only implemented for GnuPG-2.
jurov: but it won't work anyway, gpg apprently won't create the logfile as requested
mod6: i remember now... sorry, too many things flying by me. so yeah, clearsign added all these weird '-' infront of some lines.
mod6: jurov: that's awesome... and just because im slow... that's inreference to the email issue right?
assbot: The War Nerd: Farewell Islamic State, we hardly knew ye | PandoDaily ... ( http://bit.ly/15Rk12o )
mats: http://pando.com/2014/11/10/the-war-nerd-farewell-islamic-state-we-hardly-knew-ye << huh. i had no idea the War Nerd writes for pando now.
jurov: is there a command to unescape clearsigned text?
BingoBoingo: phillipsjk: Ah, you have to prefix the string with !v so assbot can keister it.
phillipsjk: no, I just gave it the decrypted string
assbot: Kobane: The beginning of the end for ISIL - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1ttnS0M )
phillipsjk: the bot voicing me
phillipsjk: What is the minimum?
pete_dushenski: Ha so Gavin. RT @jokeocracy: the unwritten thirteenth Rule for Radicals: the guy demanding ACTION NOW is probably an undercover fed
mircea_popescu: what's this, the magic website ?!
asciilifeform: the gpg logs never happen.
asciilifeform: it does, but none of the keys are marked 'trusted', it appears
mod6: clean it out and then set: FULL_CLEAN=TRUE
mod6: it should start it's own keyring (.gnupg) dir in the build directory.
asciilifeform: none of the gpg logs end up written
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i'm not sure why willingness or reluctance would have anything to do with becoming the largest economy. china's was the largest for most of the second millenium ad, whether or not anyone had anything to say on the matter
davout: asciilifeform: it's the best formulation for somebody unqualified like me to say it's a good idea :-)
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/patches.html but here the column "signed by" seems utter mess :(
asciilifeform: it'd be another step closer to planting it on bare metal, also...
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:06:55; asciilifeform: let it exit cleanly rather than waltzing over the db when killed by kernel
asciilifeform: any thoughts re: the idea of replacing std::allocator in the turd with a pool allocator?
jurov: i know, explained in the morning
mod6: which is another major problem for ben & i
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: how does "The attacker can trigger the flaw by sending a hostile text message." inserted after that sentence sound.
BingoBoingo: Ah, k. I just hoped to see the trigger mentioned.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: no mention of the evil text message bug?
assbot: Freedom Fry - Shaky Ground (Hey Na Na Na) by freedomfry - Hear the world’s sounds ... ( http://bit.ly/1wBD9Yy )
asciilifeform: incidentally - anyone bother to replicate my build yet ?
mircea_popescu: to quote the immortal pesto... "well that ain't gonna work ?!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, this is without the db fixes ?!
nubbins`: why, that'd eliminate the possibility of cheap, plentiful nodes forever!
nubbins`: and they prolly will be.
mircea_popescu: i hear he has a magic tool to make the usb sticks half price every year or something,
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
gribble: How A Bigger Blockchain Is Less Secure And Why Block Size Ain't ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/07/how-a-bigger-blockchain-is-less-secure-and-why-block-size-aint-gonna-increase-any-time-soon/>; Bitcoin - Twitter: <https://twitter.com/gavinandresen>; USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/usgavin-the-lolcow/>
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandersen hey derpyshits, where's the economist "experts" when you actually need 'em ?
nubbins`: still less than $100 for the whole thing, cables and all
davout: how does the blockchain fit in 8gb?
asciilifeform: nubbins: deliberately did not pick unit with wifi because now that needs to be configured - and did not plan to give it a ui of any kind (other than the built-in bicolor led)
mircea_popescu: and now THERE asciilifeform hjas us: nobody exists without a bag of thumb drives
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you can even buy them anymore
asciilifeform: nubbins: use the usb3 jacks. sd simply sucks.
nubbins`: would be nice to use SD as a base option, with the ability to stuff whatever laptop etc drive in there
asciilifeform: fella who has no bed, no postbox, one shirt, eats occasional leftovers, sits in restaurants and finishes other folks' drinks - what do you call him?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because why not ? for the same reason korea why not aircraft carrier, in nucet.
mircea_popescu: women aren't sluts just because they're dressed in the nude ; derps on tv aren't scientists just because they wear a white lab coat ; stinky hobos at your local starbucks aren't anything other than all the other people in starbucks.
davout: asciilifeform: just because they stink and hang out all day at starbucks doesn't mean they're actual hobos
asciilifeform: the sd will croak reasonably quickly.
asciilifeform: at this point, even most 'civilians' have the bag. just with the disks still in their shells (laptops, that is..)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was about 35x slower than the sata presently running
davout: ok, the thing itself doesn't include storage, does it have to be a sata disk, or would a large enough sd be enough?
asciilifeform: davout: the unit presently churning on my desk was booted from sd card - which i was using for testing (final firmware will be a read-only squashfs)
asciilifeform: davout: i'm testing a replacement firmware (for the internal eeprom) that sees if sata disk is present, and, if not already containing a blockchain, formats it and starts from nil
davout: in addition to the thing itself
nubbins`: and this is the thing you've been testing it on
asciilifeform: they take usb (usb3 even.) and at one point in the beginning i almost suggested baking in a miner. but 1) who makes miners reputably 2) it has no rng (see log)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nah this won't work. the usb actually steals entropy from pc neh ?
mircea_popescu: shit, the usb errupters are a good idea.
asciilifeform: usb miner was quite another thing from the item here. it promised mega-riches to chumps, and attracted a certain kind of crowd.
nubbins`: asciilifeform you could probably get 'em branded at the factory with whatever name/logo you wanted
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, you can get a few bux that way but import the risk you get a special box of special units.
nubbins`: remember those usb block erupters? people would literally pay a $300+ premium if you just put the USB hub, a cable, and the erupters in the same box for them.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't underestimate the premium we put on people who aren't consumer-broken.
asciilifeform: actually it could make sense if someone were to negotiate a massive bulk discount on the crate of boxes
mircea_popescu: notice how both women display it, centered arund the cunt, but the mother has been worked into society towards a slightly more relaxed position of the other end of the spine.
nubbins`: don't underestimate the premium people are willing to pay for convenience tho
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which is why shipping etc doesn't make so much sense. just go plunk down twenny for the box at your local shop
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. hard to find good help these days eh ?
nubbins`: what's the make/model?
asciilifeform: nubbins: it is (was originally sold as) a nas box. runs bitcoind now. idea was that it can also jailbreak and reflash a virginal unit of the same type, if plugged into it rather than the net
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for EPiSKiNG- from 1 to 3 with note: Serious fiat broker.
nubbins`: k, i know there was some talk of flashing router firmware as well
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's forever on the router dude. that was the spec. for a box to plug into your spare router hole and sit there forevert.
asciilifeform: not necessary that the amoebas are playing characters, however. they are not running the show, did not write script.
nubbins`: alf, are you imagining this device as something that plugs in, flashes the router, & is then removed, or an actual node as a device, hanging out of a port on the router?
mircea_popescu: fucking amoebas, the libertard twentysomething.
davout: "how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first." <<< no. because cult.
mircea_popescu: how about the fucktards spend six months reading the logs like it's the words of their father, first.
mircea_popescu: and this metastasized cult of the romantic "genius'
mircea_popescu: "This Saturday, in a stylish canal side house in the center of Amsterdam, a team of four hackers who had never met each other before, including two who were using bitcoin for the first time, might have constructed the theoretical groundwork to solve this problem. "
nubbins`: well y'know, give everyone the internet...
mircea_popescu: think*. at all. it's just.... signal processing, zero introspection, they might as well not have memory.
asciilifeform: 'As such, the funds will automatically be sent back to the user at some point in the future, unless both parties overwrite the transaction before that time.' >>>> obligatory >>>> http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=314
nubbins`: joke's on them!!!111
mircea_popescu: half hour later, turns out my tx was doublespent. SO THEY TURN IT OFF
mircea_popescu: so... i go to watch a film with netflix, pay in btc. they see the tx and let me watch
mircea_popescu: these people are complete fucking idiots.
davout: if this thing syncs the whole chain in 100 hours that would be pretty incredible
asciilifeform: for the record: 3rd oomkill, 136006 blocks, 25 second restart
davout: "one doesn;t have to import a preloaded chain" <<< the getting up to date from scratch time will be interesting
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 19:33:44; asciilifeform: idk what you folks had in mind, but what i was making was that one of these can plug with crossover cable into a virginal unit and deflower it.
assbot: Logged on 28-01-2015 16:04:52; asciilifeform: set it up with the loop now.
davout: so i'm not very clear how this gets distributed either, folks order their hardware directly and follow asciilifeform's guide? nothing's really decided yet if i understand correctly
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there was no particular plan. fill with trusted chain, let it build it up, either way.
asciilifeform: davout: plan was, iirc, to fill these up with blockchain from parent machine, rather than sync from zero.
davout: the first 135461 blocksare probably like ~1% of the total processing that needs to be done before being up to date
asciilifeform: appears to be wedged there. and has been for some time. but this is a build without the db lock patch. (ought to have wedged later, though ?)
trinque: "This is the dawn of a new world." << Inspiring.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: hanbot: Kind of what I was thinking. There just doesn't seem to be much left of it. << bitpay silently deleting the dramas ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo writing up the "dark phone" bug ?
assbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1tsjxLd )
phillipsjk: The Wot is not Bitcoin though.
nubbins`: incidentally, those Teenage Engineering things i linked to re: packaging earlier? They don't even come with a fucking /case/, and people bought them in the tens of thousands when they were announced
mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no rights.
mircea_popescu: there you go.
phillipsjk: Oh the whole "bitcoin is sovereign" thing.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk microsoft is not in the wot. it can't sue anyone.
mircea_popescu: the chuckflation.
mircea_popescu: we're having private chuckle issuance on the basis of future comedy gold revenues.
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, Microsoft has sued companies like tomtom over vfat Pantents (in the US)
mircea_popescu: mike_c we don't have to tell them it was asciilifeform not "linux"
lobbes: <asciilifeform> no need to buy exotic ssd either. old laptop hdd 64G and above ought to do for a while << vps with same specs should work too, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform speaking of which, i wonder for how many noobs this will eb the first practical contact with a nix machine
asciilifeform: and wtf, if we're talking about fat16/32, that's in the kernel. mounts trivially
phillipsjk: Just make sure your users know they have to format as ext2 or whatever. (If you implement the plug-in transaction function.)
trinque: phillipsjk: I didn't but yes, they did.
gribble: The operation succeeded.