trinque: ^ requires good stock that knows the meaning of respect
ben_vulpes: it's more like "dood i know and respect knows and respects this other dood, so i guess i'll give him a whirl".
coderwill: mircea_popescu: yeah, hope something positive comes out at the end
ben_vulpes: mind you, coderwill "friends" is not the criteria.
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> trinque: re: hiring, probably best to start small with people you trust almost unconditionally << i've had decent success hiring friends and their friends.
mircea_popescu: it only works for rich, smart people, but then again let gavin have africa, and graham sillycon valley, they'll have fun together.
mircea_popescu: it's just altogether a much better model.
mircea_popescu: coderwill yes, that and the frankness are the predicates of this place, and why it works, and why qntra will sink gawker and so on.
mircea_popescu: "you'll be eating dogfood off the floor until you can X"
mircea_popescu: <trinque> maybe someone external can force them to do otherwise, but they never will << main point of slavery.
coderwill: or maybe a better way of saying it, a person who comes to the table thinking "what's in this for us" instead of "what's in this for me"
trinque: if a person can't reason enough to reason that they'd better improve their reasoning, fucked
trinque: mircea_popescu: the meta problem
coderwill: i guess there is a flipside though, which is people wanting everything
trinque: mircea_popescu: seems this state you describe in the article is terminal
mircea_popescu: traditional employment of the "that's a firm to put 30 years in with" isn't a loan particularly for that reason.
mircea_popescu: coderwill think of it in sexual terms. "honey let's fuck". "are you going to be around in ten years to raiuse my children ?" "nope" "so i'm loaning you my taxed income in the future ?"
coderwill: mircea_popescu: seems like the ones that think of it that way are far and few between
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mircea_popescu: well the only way to survive is to nmot work for a worthless one.
trinque: just commenting on the worthlessness of american startups
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mircea_popescu: trinque pushing for equity is an essential tool in evaluating the company.
trinque: I had looads of shares of the terrible rails startup I was a part of years ago
trinque: well it's not equity; it's that the companies are largely worthless
coderwill: at the same time, there are some people i really enjoyed getting to know who i'd be happy to work with again. it's just a few that made it very strange for everyone
ben_vulpes: short the shartups
trinque: maybe 2 of the 7 I've worked for still exist
coderwill: i am thankful for the opportunity and it has let me to better places, but definitely not what i was expecting when i came on board
trinque: everyone in the industry under 30 is a perma-intern
trinque: coderwill: nah man, that "this will at least be good for my resume" thing is just a way of learning to love the pole
mircea_popescu: well, at least now it's in the logs.
coderwill: yeah, i thought about that at the time, but then was like, well, i guess i'm getting to work at one of the most well-known wallet providers, that could be good for subsequent opportunities
mircea_popescu: next time tell them "listen bub, i'm not fresh off the turnip truck. you want to hire me on pure salary, it's $1,5mn the first year payable upfront and increasing by 1mn each eyar after that.
coderwill: then what mike_c said was almost exactly what happened afterward, ironically
coderwill: so when i asked to see the cap table, was told that no one except investors are allowed to see cap table
coderwill: ben_vulpes: hello, apologies, i have been busy for a few days, but noticed your mention the other day about options
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's << can't say as that was my experience. i rocked the boat constantly and still managed to eke some funding out of the university for harebrained rocket schemes
mircea_popescu: apparently growing up in the civilised world has its advantages
mircea_popescu: you know the one time a smarmy teacher tried to be all american and make the class buy a book we complained to the provost and he nearly got kicked out.
ben_vulpes: i didn't even see the reorderings, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: (for non-usa folks: the 'college racket' does not consist merely of tuition and housing that go up ~10%/yr., but also miscellaneous vampirisms like textbooks that stay almost exactly the same but for the exercise set orderings, at 100-400 usd a pop, moving target every semester)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: undergrads who 'rock the boat' end up 'having problems', one way or another. see also the folks who posted diffs b/w one semester's textbook and next's
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asciilifeform: mathematically - quite achievable
asciilifeform was thinking the opposite - civilized nodes could provide arbitrary tx access
mircea_popescu: it will cause trouble at some point down the road, because eventually the blockchain will overwhelm the index.
ben_vulpes: have in fact complained about this in the past.
asciilifeform: (from the bitcoin.it www)
asciilifeform: 'getdata... ...can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
asciilifeform: the former, those who have been ceremonially buggered in the usual sense, the latter - those who have not (or not yet), but have been assigned the caste
asciilifeform: which, according to scholars, divides those who have been 'lowered into pederasty' into the 'pierced' and 'unpierced' species
asciilifeform: or rather, russian prison buggery
ben_vulpes: the latter
ben_vulpes: obsessions of the unsexed
asciilifeform: no reason not to chop it off at the wall.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> except they're not orphan, they're just "not in the presence of their parents" << Latchkey Blocks
mircea_popescu: well technically it's improved, over the 200/hour earlier :p
mircea_popescu: so at the present rate, done by conference time :D
pete_dushenski: plus ca change: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/30/sthennow/
mod6: mircea_popescu: fair point there.
mats: http://lcamtuf.blogspot.com/2015/01/technical-analysis-of-qualys-ghost.html << i'm slow on the draw, but this was a good read.
mod6: they really are "orphans", since an orphan is someone with out parents right? so im fine with calling them orphans, i think there is confusion around how these come into existance.
mod6: pblock is probably not a good name, since in most of the code "pblock" is what is denoted for a pointer to a block.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes. which is why the only sane way for bitcoi nnodes to work is gossipd
mircea_popescu: lol how about "bitcoin should just work" then
ben_vulpes: but in keeping around orphan chains, the enemy can pollute ones disk trivially.
ben_vulpes: "reference node should only keep track of a single chain: the longest discoverable"
asciilifeform: my understanding is that the demented name confusion came about because originally these were handled using the same routines.
mircea_popescu: parentless blocks are blocks which arrived to a node before their parents, and so can't be evaluated for validity (yet)
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:09:29; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
mircea_popescu: seriously let's start calling them parentless blocks / pblocks
PeterL: by the COrphan class
asciilifeform: zombie may even envy the dead.
mircea_popescu: a sudanese, poor as the dirt hre sits in, still has a chance.
asciilifeform: them's chumpers.
mircea_popescu: the only poor people are the "rich people" making 500k to 5mn a year to pay for their mortgage and college loans.
mircea_popescu: so is taleb. so is everyone that DIDN'T join the system.
mircea_popescu: people DO get rich, in the manner of their choice, out of accumulating this sort of capital.
asciilifeform: sc4mz0r1ng? promises riches, at least to the foolish
asciilifeform: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase <<< not only sloth, but avarice, is involved. nobody gets rich from honestly fixing satoshi's bugs
mircea_popescu: "why does the horse run, while the worm can but crawl ? because the horse enjoys to run."
mircea_popescu: people interested in actually doing stuff have b-a. everyone else can be "a contributor" (for bois), or "part of the community" (for womyns)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem is that people are insulated from reality (least it hurts their feelings) and so they are also insulated from everythning interesting, and in the end their own life.
ben_vulpes: 'tis another dagger in my belt.
ben_vulpes: i can't believe that people want to fuck around with sidechains and altcoins when there's interesting work to be done in improving how the satoshi codebase handles block downloads
mircea_popescu: this, they call progress.
mircea_popescu: i could be sitting in a parisian cafe cca 1815 and lol the same way for the same reasons at the same people
mircea_popescu: no but you know, the fumes of confused teenagers are going to somehow coallesce into moving as much as a hair of actual matter. ANY DAY NOW
mircea_popescu: it's going to get even funnier once they actually try.
mircea_popescu: the funniest thing in all of this isn't exactly the horde of children who don't understand how the fuck they were tricked exactly. the funniest thing is the plethora of articles about how "apple could buy russia"
mircea_popescu: the mirror-image infantilized 20something bois are idem fighting for paul graham's right to pay them nothing while turning them into a strange sort of pulp fiction's gimp
mircea_popescu: in gratitude they are going to the front lines to fight for the media company's right to pay them less."
mircea_popescu: e'd backhand slap you right out of the glee club: "it discourages women from writing and earning a living online." Earning a living? From who, Gawker? Most of the women writing on the internet are writing for someone else who pays them next to nothing. None of them control the capital, none of them get paid 1/1000 of what they bring in for the media company. You know what they do get? They get to be valued by work, and
mircea_popescu: oo-weak-to-try rapists want to be anonymous. Smart women write clickable articles about their sexuality for nothing, because what good are you if you can't make someone else money? Interesting to observe that the article's single suggested solution to cyberharassment is to reframe a criminal problem into a civil rights issue using a logic so preposterously adolescent that if you laid this on your Dad when you were 16 h
mircea_popescu: "If Hess has made you wonder, hmm, maybe unrestricted anonymity is bad because it gives trolls too much power, then the system has successfully used her for its true purpose: brand it as bad, to you. She is unwittingly teaching the demo of this article, e.g. women in their 20s with no actual power looking to establish themselves, who are the very people who should embrace anonymity, not to want this: only rapists and t
mircea_popescu: in retrospect this is the best discussion of this ever-returning zombie of "cyberbullying" i ever read.
mircea_popescu: your feelings-- but because criticism makes women want to be more private-- and the privacy of the women is bad. The women have to be online, they do most of the clicking and receive most of the clicks. Anonymous cyberbullying is a barrier to increasing consumption, it's gotta go."
mircea_popescu: "Keeping in mind that actual stalking has never been dealt with in any significant way ever, the desire of a few female writers to curb online anonymity wouldn't be enough to get an @ mention, except that this happens to coincide with what the media wants, and now we have the two vectors summing to form a public health crisis. "Cyberbullying is a huge problem!" Yes, but not because it is hurtful, HA! no one cares about
asciilifeform: placed on www for the record.
kakobrekla: the thing with the phone was, when you were sending sms you had to type in the destination phone number from your head, no way to use saved entries.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: i think the 3310 was my first phone
mats: 11:41:34 <+pete_dushenski> then experiment unsmartphone commences! << me too. bought a motorola C115 so i can play with osmocomBB
pete_dushenski: sorta like old mercs were panzers, the new ones are ospreys
kakobrekla: imo build quality only went down from there
pete_dushenski: blu tank ii they call it
pete_dushenski: then experiment unsmartphone commences!
pete_dushenski: waiting for the nanosim adapter to arrive
mircea_popescu: herons crash all the fucking time.
mircea_popescu: (something the oomkills help, not hinder)
asciilifeform: so very much luck of the draw.
asciilifeform: it's connected to the wild net (as opposed to existing node, which would be a more deterministic, if less realistic, test)
asciilifeform: PeterL: in the sense of being switched on - yes
mircea_popescu: 30-01-2015 06:30:13 <asciilifeform> (present height - 183172) so it made < 2k in the past 10 hours ?
jborkl: Something broke, they want to override it and see how that works out
pete_dushenski: PeterL: sorta making the efforts of using a smartphone to always be connected quite counter-productive to the intended objective
mircea_popescu: so the man has a little bullet. stop hussling him!
pete_dushenski: jborkl: impossibru to have the clouds on you ;/
PeterL: how does one have bitcoin on them?
mircea_popescu: and they seem to me to be romanian francophones
mircea_popescu: davout the note on that video suggests romanian origin.
jborkl: Maybe they found out I have bitcoin on me
pete_dushenski: which is why they love smartphones that advertise "turn downtime into uptime"
jborkl: The peeps are restless!!
jborkl: Been stuck up the airport runway for over an hour :(
mircea_popescu: if i die let it be known i blame the government
jurov: mircea i know :) just had a double take on the (quite literally) part
mircea_popescu: PeterL derps that know about bitcoin about exactly the way they know what's best for africa.
adlai: this viewer thingy is cool, you can link straight to the tl;dr: http://view.samurajdata.se/psview.php?id=3f1cb5e9&page=15
davout: i stahped there
davout: "We manually inspected all services on the list to identify only those operations established with fraudulent intent. For instance, we exclude Hashfast, a mining company that recently filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, as well as losses from Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange that failed."
mircea_popescu: meh pdf. who's the author ?
davout: « There’s No Free Lunch, Even Using Bitcoin: Tracking the Popularity and Profits of Virtual Currency Scams »
adlai: wot-bots. the web itself would grow larger than any individual bot.
adlai: and any other wots that spring up
adlai: shouldn't it be as simple as, every rating has to contain a signature of the rating data, and then gribble and assbot can just spider eachother all day long?
adlai: does assbot ever pick up ratings left with gribble after the wotfork?
nubbins`: well, you know how to threaten people the right way, obv
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: is there anyone here who hasn't made the local news for threatening people? o.O << me, for one.
mircea_popescu: these days... heh.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron in retrospect, the "expensive" gear of the d2 era was a good joke. 1k would have decked you and alts.
mircea_popescu: davout bitch to play, the javazon
mircea_popescu: for the record that guy was decent.
mircea_popescu: "When Tommy Thompson and his longtime companion did leave the Florida hotel room, usually alone and her more than him, they would use a combination of buses, taxis and walking around to shake anyone who might be tailing them."
mircea_popescu: nubbins` because the log is so incredibly fucking densely packed.
mircea_popescu: before they came up with bs teleporting gear for paladins and whatnot
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mircea_popescu: jurov: if you want them to wait through all the oom plodding, make them pay $300 << in the immortal words of baal (quite literally) : we shall take your position into consideration.
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jurov: The King of Thailand has been dead since about the end of 2008. The current King of Thailand is a fake one. The Government of Thailand does not dare to announce his death because it will put Thailand in great trouble. The King of Thailand was keen on photography and he has been seen using his outdated Canon G9 camera even as late as 2012. In addition, his double forgot to remove his watch and appeared to be wearing two watches in the public. Thes
jurov: also, for all the aspies having such "bad engineering" just feels unacceptable at any price
jurov: for $12 they expect something that just works and it isn't worth waiting a month for to be done
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mircea_popescu: a) fredrik de boer is a choad ; b) the left can't "win". because it's stupid. a bunch of frogs in a lake can win just as much. wtf can the terminally retarded gonna "win" ?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> did not like mathematics. << this guy is a cryptologist that didn't like coding or math.
asciilifeform: if converges >>> then just as mircea_popescu said.
mircea_popescu: big fucken deal, if product ends up being "spend $12 and three hours of your time following these instructions. if you have prior chain, you have node right off. if not, you have node in a month"
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off for the eve.
ben_vulpes: something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units.
asciilifeform: if you recall, bitcoin is not 'bittorrent' and does not make use of the multitude of nodes known to it at a given moment for fetching the blockchain
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu appears to favour releasing the thing sitting now on my desk - a 0.5.3.1 that continuously reboots
asciilifeform: if you discard all of them - never syncs.
asciilifeform: did not like mathematics.
asciilifeform: i.e. nodes barf blocks at one another without any real logic
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform as i said before, it's a kudge to fix another kludge. we don't really wnat any of it. << what was the first kludge?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you store these, anywhere, you set yourself up for shitburial
ben_vulpes: they*
ben_vulpes: okay but to play devils advocate for a moment theoy could be dumped into the db were it used sanely
asciilifeform: so it isn't a memory leak in the traditional sense
ben_vulpes: i guess the subquestion would be is b) even practical
asciilifeform: thus it is doomed to die after snarfing up sufficiently many of these.
asciilifeform: you can't do anything with them, except a) discard b) store in hope of gluing the chain together later
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] felipelalli: asciilifeform: your engine is pretty smart, thank you. :) <<< mmm win :D << once again i get no credit for the setup
asciilifeform: they are simply blocks received hopelessly out of order
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'orphan blocks' in question have nothing whatsoever to do with the usual definition
ben_vulpes: omg it strikes me that there isn't a blocktree visualizer that i'm aware of
ben_vulpes: anyways asciilifeform how does the backported orphan-pruning situation handle the full tree?
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:35:15; mircea_popescu: welcome the filth that is practical bitcoin into your heart, ascii
ben_vulpes: it's pathetic i tell ya
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:21:43; danielpbarron: that assassin thing was the best part of the whole week, besides poker of course
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:09:29; asciilifeform: i just began live-fire test of the first really dangerous patch
ben_vulpes: mats: today you automate, tomorrow you order the automation
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: aha. << am i on the right track or did i skim logs in too light of detail
mats: cool. rewriting the code for bitbet audit so it'll be worthy of publication this year.
ben_vulpes: anyways, mircea_popescu, relativism is for the birds.
mircea_popescu: mats and on top of that, you can reuse addresses for as long as the bet didn't close.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the wretch was ordered to use only systems fully compatible with traditional usg spyware used on such occasions
mircea_popescu: yes but what were they ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla was there some json ?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] ^ condemned to pay infinite fine, and to use only microshit << i don't see the m$ requirement
mircea_popescu: absolutism's for the birds.
kakobrekla: there is an api?
asciilifeform: identifiable crock o'shit; arguably an advance over the entirely enigmatic sort
asciilifeform: the one takeaway is that the cause of oomkill damnation in 0.5.3 can no longer be regarded as mysterious
ben_vulpes: console yourself with the reality that life is a filthy entropic process
mircea_popescu: there's some lovely mud down here!
asciilifeform: feeling very much dirtied by the dirt
mircea_popescu: well then.
mircea_popescu: think of it this way : most russian peasants as late as 1800 had never seen the czar.
asciilifeform: the khan rides from town to town, has squad in tow with stake
mircea_popescu: the computer has a lot to do with this, it's a quantum leap in the possibilities of bureaucracy.
asciilifeform: what of ancient despotisms, with the public impaler, etc. - did not want to be at the stellar configuration center ?
asciilifeform: this is a very sharp observation, but is it unique to the modern state?
mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
mircea_popescu: it works on fundamental structures of the hominid brain, much like flirting makes the girl wet.
mircea_popescu: and every citizen linked to it to the detriment of all else.