mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski rickles is easily one of the greatest comedians who ever lived
pete_dushenski: that sammy was a converted member of the tribe, i did not
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: the mode i knew
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53JLJDOEvE << watching this now. it's a riot! << dun tell me you found out about either that famous jew or that celebrated mode of civilised passtime on b-a!
mircea_popescu: in other news, one doesn't hate you for the things about you that make you great, one hates you for the things about you that make his shit no longer work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux << quite.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i was just wondering if a random tails user was aware of that sort of thing, or if they just downloaded it because freetalklive mentioned it << you know the answer to that q.
decimation: post a link on the channel so folks can browse it
phillipsjk: decimation, sure. Would have to be tomorrow though. Would like 50MB be enough? (Ie: before I switched out the 10Mbps hub)
ben_vulpes: i wanted it running in the context of cron, so i'll probably have to do some shooping of stuff around.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've already lost days to shutting the thing down forcefully, i'm determined to not waste any more time with things that can be automated.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: it will be easier to explain just what it was, if i & the rest can view them at our leisure in 'wireshark'
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: talk to kakobrekla, he will give you a place to drop the dumps, if you believe that you have discovered something peculiar therein
ben_vulpes: not trimmed from the logs, but prevented from speaking during a roasting.
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phillipsjk thinks we are talking past each other.
phillipsjk: I am not sure it was a true amplification. I suspect it was a flase positive because the addresses ended in .255
asciilifeform: even using it as described, for ddos, requires the thing to be hooked up to an isp which happily routes packets with forged ip
asciilifeform: that is, of absolutely no use for taking control of a machine in the usual sense
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: the amplification attack you found in your packet captures (we discussed it here about a month ago) is a pure ddos vector
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, mod6, danielpbarron: if any of you wanted armv5 binaries to play with, ask jurov, they're in his dust bin, where turdatron dumped them despite valid sigatures.
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phillipsjk: That reminds me, I noticed the logs have comments from "noisy" people trimmed.
asciilifeform: jurov: it ate another message of mine.
phillipsjk: Incidentally, leaving the back-door open to the public gives the Chinese Government plausible deniability if they decide to attack this humble channel.
phillipsjk: "Technology companies that want to sell equipment to Chinese banks will have to submit to extensive audits, turn over source code, and build “back doors” into their hardware and software, according to a copy of the rules obtained by foreign companies already doing billions of dollar worth of business in the country. The new rules were laid out in a 22-page document from Beijing, and are presumably being put in place so that the Chin
phillipsjk: There is even evidence this is required by law in China: https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/01/30/1514245
phillipsjk: Exposing UPnP to the internet defies all common sense. Add to that, many of the Pwnt routers appear to be in China, I am going to call it a deliberate back-door on the part of the manufacturer.
phillipsjk: The users installing those routers probably don't even play with computer networks as a hobby. It is the manufacturers, not the end-users' fault that UPnP is exposed to the Internet.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 15:12:13; mircea_popescu: phillipsjk: The captures are 5.0GB each. Just a little too large to fit on a DVD:P << last time we diagnosed this it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it.
phillipsjk: I also wanted to comment that behavior that seem stupid from the outside is sometimes completely rational. Quoting MP: 'last time we diagnosed [the DDOS bot] it was mostly unpnp pwnt routers that yielded it. long known as a problem, little to do about it because "must have lusers on the internet"' http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-01-2015#997218 (as an example)
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: without weighing in on the statement, i'd like to point out that you should have gone straight to 'there are priorities other than wealth/status', rather than trying to bolster the argument with 'proof by authority' using the authority of a fellow who pulled it all out of his arse
decimation: phillipsjk: just because 'some choose not to pursue wealth', it doesn't follow that the wealthy are not intelligent
pete_dushenski: be it wealth or otherwise
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: merely that less smart people have the deck stacked against them in their pursuit of anything
phillipsjk: asciilifeform, it nicely illustrates that there are priorities other than wealth/status.
phillipsjk: I accept that some people are smarter than others. That does not automatically imply that the goal of all smart people is to gain wealth and status.
decimation: phillipsjk: do you think mental illness is something that is fundamentally biological? or do you think that the mentally ill could 'shake it off' and choose not to?
phillipsjk: so in a word yes, I know the fixed hierarchy is largely fiction.
phillipsjk: Of course, that hiearchy is not rigid in real life. Anarcho-socialists may simply skip gaining status, instead prioritizing "8. Transcendence needs - helping others to achieve self actualization."
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, I disagree with the premise that wealth correlates strongly with intelligence. Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs predicts that people will largely ignore trying to gain Esteem while being pre-occupied with finding food, shelter and companionship. ( http://www.simplypsychology.org/maslow.html?PageSpeed=noscript )
asciilifeform: no, the rng part is a reasonable, traditional scheme
asciilifeform: decimation: forget rf noise even, the harmonics from usb clock.
pete_dushenski: burn the depreciation witch!
pete_dushenski: that's not the sharing economy way
pete_dushenski: it's not clear to me that people enjoy paying for things with the aim of ownership
decimation pays nothing for his cars (other than maintenance and gas) and enoys it
pete_dushenski: you never notice the depreciation whack because "only monthly payment matters"
pete_dushenski: that's the beauty of car leasing
decimation: aye, one can't keep a chumpatron going if it kills the chumps
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah ultimately the 'infinite noise' guy's circuit is still vulnerable to rf noise in the right band
asciilifeform: mats: but all of these things considered, it is probably the least terrifyingly bad trng i've seen so far on the post-snowden market
asciilifeform: mats: the basic principle of the linked rng is very similar to mine. (fella stayed awake in school.) but the similarities stop there.
pete_dushenski: in any event, the "green is fine u guise" construction is hollow
pete_dushenski: ok scratch that, liquidity should increase volatility in the short-term but illiquid markets have larger fat tails
pete_dushenski: 2. Second, over the longer run, because of continuing technological improvements, the prices of renewables, especially solar power, are likely to drop much faster than is the case for commodity-based fuels such as oil. The prices of commodity-based fuels, which are traded in deep, liquid markets, also tend to be more volatile than those of renewables, for which there tend to be no separate markets (especially fo
pete_dushenski: 1. First, oil is used primarily for transportation and not to produce electricity, whereas renewables play an increasing role in producing electricity. In other words, oil and renewables are not direct competitors.
pete_dushenski: true renewable sources of energy–wind, solar, and biomass–may be much less adversely affected by the plunge in oil prices than is widely believed << because reasons
mats: mircea_popescu: would you consider records and other business documents (e.g. tax filings) within the scope of the courts-circus parameters?
decimation: here's the schematic
mats: based on the description, anyway.
cazalla: still a coinbase despite telling the faithful that coinbase will add litecoin and that he'll leave if they don't
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i've heard that as well and i suspect he used his brother's exchange to offload his early coins to chinese suckers, that's what that whole bitcoin/litecoin brothers reunited bullshit was about, the fucking gall of that guy http://media.coindesk.com/2014/03/Banner_en_BTCChina.jpg
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Collaborator was also one of the first, notorious BTC GPU miners
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic << There was drama about a collaborator of his GPU mining this GPU unminable coin from the start
asciilifeform: at the minimum, it was a 'spare' in case of a catastrophic break in sha2
asciilifeform: but initially there was a vaguely-plausible reason for thinking people to go 'hmm' when reading about litecoin.
asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, it's become scarcely distinguishable from other pumpcoinz
cazalla: pete_dushenski, it has had one for the last year along with a *talk.org forum.. it's pretty much the blue print for altcoins at this point, launch your altcointalk.org, have a foundation and premine under the guise the foundation will use the coins in some fund to spread adoption
cazalla: asciilifeform, i'm pretty sure every altcoin always launches with the idea of being different to every other altcoin
asciilifeform: the original point of my objection to the qntra piece was that, afaik, 'litecoin' was different from every other altcoin in the sense that it was not simply an existing source tree with a dozen constants changed.
cazalla: he is malicious because he contains to appear at conferences to tell people how a coin is all about the marketing regardless of whether what you say is factual or not. he's just the first iteration of garza
pete_dushenski: if he had the skillz
asciilifeform: by all rights he should have attempted the asic
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the cynical answer could also be that he's a bad actor who tried to detract energies away from bitcoin at a pivotal moment
asciilifeform: the 'cynical' answer would be that he didn't give a flying fuck about asic resistance in the general sense, but planned to build own asic.
gribble: Litecoin founder Charles Lee on the origins of the cryptocurrency: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-founder-charles-lee-on-the-origins-and-potential-of-the-worlds-second-largest-cryptocurrency/>; Litecoin creator Charles Lee has left Google to work at Coinbase: <http://www.coindesk.com/litecoin-creator-charles-lee-has-left-google-to-work-at-coinbase/>; Ex-Googler Gives the (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: or like a race horse with the heart of a giant gerbil
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the way i understand, it was mainly intended to banish asic, but for some reason known only to the author, did not really try in earnest
asciilifeform: (but at the same time still requiring construction of new machines)
cazalla: so no, i don't buy that litecoin was anything more than the creation of your stereotypical chink who knocks shit off
asciilifeform: this would have the side effect of encouraging the construction of machines which are not entirely useless for other extravagant computing projects
asciilifeform: or at least, died a less pathetic death
asciilifeform: if it -only- had the scrypt thing, and none of the other crackpotteries, might have went further.
cazalla: and nobody has moved the goal posts as much as those idiots.. gpu resistant, asic resistant, it's faster etc etc
asciilifeform: if you want 'asic resistance', my hypothetical 'lifecoin' is probably as good as it gets
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cazalla's text. But... certain people who birthed it still promote it as an alternative that still solves a problem.
asciilifeform: this is re: the qntra article.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: (the whole 'asic resistance' thing)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: equating 'litecoin' with other sc4mc01nz is a mistake. it was a genuine, if misguided, attempt at something genuinely else
decimation: ah. thanks. the problem mainly is figuring out how to describe what you want
asciilifeform: these are ubiquitous
decimation: aye. once 'management' decided that windows was the answer, the nerds at the bottom had no chance
asciilifeform: because it was the first unixlike which couldn't be nudged out of existence this way
asciilifeform: this, rather than 'open'-whatever in the abstract, is why redmond declared total war on linux
asciilifeform: this didn't affect the 'workstation' folks, until it did.
asciilifeform: (nothing in the industry happened, in those days, except in the shadow of microshit. just as very little happens in the solar system that is not in some major way affected by jupiter.)
asciilifeform: microshit quietly massacred the commercial unixen while no one was looking
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point is that, not so many years ago, one could get the 'high end' stuff on solaris.
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/coin-swap-users-unable-to-withdraw-their-coins/
decimation: they built aqua-ducts that lasted 2000 years - I'm not betting that 'portland cement' will last as long
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> decimation: actually, sun corp. endured for a while << Sun alway though lacked the introspection necessary to realize things like... A bench might be a better place to assemble machines than the floor.
decimation: BingoBoingo: aye, it is my understanding that even to this day the exact recipe for 'roman concrete' is still not completely known
BingoBoingo: decimation: Similar to how when the Western Roman empire fell, concrete was forgotten for quite some time, because no volcanic ash in coldistan
decimation: that and, the only proprietary hardware unix vendor left is... apple
decimation: yes, that era forms the mud-layer upon which modern silly-con valley is built
asciilifeform couldn't be arsed to load it into the truck
asciilifeform: the agilent boxes -run- winblows
onewhosits: danielpbarrn ahh. nah ive been using the distro for some time
decimation: the LXR 'concordance' is pretty neat, it would be cool if it were possible to create that without webserver turd
onewhosits: danielpbarron. No, actually i didn't. Should've. Is there a common problem with modified tailos installs?
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: More just some vandal has a bot that lurks and DoS's connections as it seens them join. Cloak should be enough to defeat that. To connect with Tor you'd need a cloak anyway.
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymmtWw )
onewhosits: oh i see. is it risky to use these channels? i run tailsos when i need to
BingoBoingo: onewhosits: Another important step is getting a cloak and moving off of webchat cloak
mats: closed-source seems normal from the researching ive done
asciilifeform: if all you need is something that will decode, e.g., spi, at a few 100 kHz, get the ubiquitous 'bus pirate'
asciilifeform: if you can spare ~1k usd, get the 'rigol'
asciilifeform: theer is an 'open bench logic sniffer' (more or less naked fpga, ~50 usd)
mats: i'm looking forward to the outcome of this
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah, just dunno how that qualifies him to say Bitcoin companie should just stop competing with each other and then dissolve when they solve their problems
assbot: The real reason Ryan Charles was fired from reddit: he spent the entire duration of his employment working on a port of bitcoin core to Javascript. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vn66NU )
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2uadvd/the_real_reason_ryan_charles_was_fired_from/
mircea_popescu: "The devs have a mandate."
teward was unaware of the switch to internal auth mechanisms
teward: mircea_popescu: the auth process for unfamiliar people :)
teward: there we go
mircea_popescu: cazalla: but i think we've also refined the type of content we publish << i guess that's gonna keep getting redefined, iut's what living things do.
mircea_popescu: teward now you can assbot voice, send !up in pm then !v its string
teward: and then i'd have my oline revoked for overusing /kline xD
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 21:27:59; kakobrekla: i know changing names is not a good practice, but perhaps for the sake of sync we could allow to update your name once (given properly signed request from adequate gpg key)
teward: got the pgp key for 'teward' but if your bot fails to recognize master/alt nicks... well...
teward: rather than gribble auth
teward: kakobrekla: unfortunately TheLordOfTime, my gribble auth nick, is stolen - must have expired and been taken
asciilifeform: 'In other words: the choice of C is the only sane choice. I know Miles Bader jokingly said "to piss you off", but it's actually true. I've come to the conclusion that any programmer that would prefer the project to be in C++ over C is likely a programmer that I really *would* prefer to piss off, so that he doesn't come and screw up any project I'm involved with.'
Guest18566: BingoBoingo: [15/01/31 20:04:47] -NickServ- Information on thelordoftime (account thetimelord): <-- musta expired
BingoBoingo: !up TheLordOfTime
teward: as i said, the bot is broke
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/TheLordOfTime | http://w.b-a.link/user/TheLordOfTime
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot TheLordOfTime
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
teward: TheLordOfTime
teward: assuming the bot actually checks ident of a user
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TheLordOfTime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TheLordOfTime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TheLordOfTime | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 15:22:44 2013
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'teward', with hostmask 'teward!LordOfTime@ubuntu/member/teward', is identified as user 'TheLordOfTime', with GPG key id 406253859C1129B6, key fingerprint FE87E56959370E1989828103406253859C1129B6, and bitcoin address 1LEKacNEUzD4gStZScnG2vgkQ9HmpMz1Kp
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: reminds me of the centerfolds in knuth's aop.
assbot: BYOD is NOT the Next Biggest Thing™: Bring me Ye Olde Lappetoppe • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1uO1HO7 )
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' is the ubiquitous automaton for baking small embedded linux boxen)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron, anyone else having trouble with cross-compilation - 'buildroot' will build, among other necessary things, the toolchain.
cazalla: i guess so but first 2 weeks of jan were slow just as the last 2 weeks of december were
asciilifeform believed, at one point, that the existence of braindamaged programming languages is not a total evil, as they draw mentally defective folks away from actual programming. but, after reading, e.g., the work of the 'power rangers', - is not so sure.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, what i don't get is that on reddit, you see the idea of a paywall and microtransactions always discussed as bitcoin's killer app and yet when they come across it being implemented, they cry scam
asciilifeform: (the latter have rs232 logic levels. will cook a gadget that expects 0/5v)
asciilifeform: you will need one of these http://bb.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/Hardware/CP210xTutorial or equivalent.
asciilifeform: at the minimum, you will need to solder 3 contacts (rx, tx, gnd)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: repopulate the ports in at least one
asciilifeform has two 'pogos' but one is virginal and sitting in crate; it is to be used to test the auto-deflorator (flash virgin unit by plugging into deflowered one)
asciilifeform: why there
assbot: Third pass addressing the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal: http://t.co/oQfE8dIu1s
asciilifeform: anyone who wants to try bastard, can make a temporary copy of tree merged up to 5.3.1 and apply the skull'n'crossbone patch.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: 0.9.0.3... ...i thought this would be a good training wheels program before tackling 0.5.3 << the recent turdballs are considerably gnarlier than 0.5.3, and have rather peculiar behaviours of their own. avoid.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, davout: look through orphanage for % of blocks more than 10% off the difficulty << interesting idea
mircea_popescu: in the great internet battle pitting idiots against trolls... the trolls are winning.
jurov: the urls are reasonably static
asciilifeform: nm then
asciilifeform: jurov: any chance of switching the lxr to the merged tree? the win32isms etc. grate on the eye.
mats: er, bad construction, but you get the idea...
mats: Sounds suspiciously like he was wearing the piece 'like a gangsta' and sweat into the damn weapon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in principle, anything -can- - can allow it to swap and destroy ssd rather less slowly
asciilifeform: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough << can't speak for the dslr ones, but chinese c-mounts (microscope, in my case) are entirely acceptable
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If it can't the exercise would reveal a lower bound to target.
cazalla: punkman, would they improve on something like this that i've taken with 15-55mm lens? http://imgur.com/VXVbfdC
BingoBoingo: Ah, so the rumors are true.
mircea_popescu: and ate them.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, well yeah, missus does a spider check in the kid's play pen each morning.. found 2 spiders to date
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I though Australia was the sort of place where insects hunt you
cazalla: punkman, yeah but i want them from my garden, not on window
cazalla: umm, not even hobbyist photos really.. punkman i want to get a macro lense for taking photos of the bugs and insects that inhabit my garden.. the mantis comment above just reminded me
cazalla: anyone know if these cheap shit chinese dlsr lenses are good enough?
mircea_popescu: "My understanding is a lot of heavily weighted entities in the ecosystem already support Gavin's proposed course."
mircea_popescu: lmao @forum. it has NOW discovered the importance of stuff.
mircea_popescu: "A sampling of 30% of average forum users isn't the same as 30% of the community, and certainly not the ecosystem. In reality individual users and organizations carry different weight. At the end of the day people who believe in Bitcoin (and invest their money into it) will do what they can to protect that value. The fork which has the most economic value will be the one most likely to survive with confidence of those
mircea_popescu: mats they're not really that bad ?
BingoBoingo: davout: Shock site. Basically subject.thatdomain opens a cascade of eye rape and screaming. The popups induce more panic than the classic "pain series"
BingoBoingo: <davout> cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string But links to Plsdont://paybase.on.nimp.org
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 19:13:51; fluffypony: but all their FOSS work is pretty much to further their own endeavours
davout: cazalla's paybase adds should actually be displayed if 'reddit' is found in the referrer string
BingoBoingo: davout: Well google was more the catalyst for doing it now. That and having picked up a Smatr PNohe to actually test on.
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2015#999675 <<< not that there is such a thing as 'american cheese', slightly less poisonous plastic maybe
BingoBoingo: It is still the same as qntra desktop.
davout: also the qntra mobile is pretty nice!
davout: danielpbarron cazalla Apocalyptic the railzand guy not only has locked the fork off topic but seems to have started a #b-a log digest bitcointalk thread
BingoBoingo: Huh, GAW stopped mining and difficulty still looks to be on the upswing.
cazalla: looks like isis carved up another jap https://sendvid.com/nphywh91 pretty sure western media claimed johadi john was dead too but he's back in that video
mircea_popescu: they'd roast the vanishingly small african community if those dudes didn't run so fasty.
BingoBoingo: I thought beef and not pigs is what the Argentines roasted
mircea_popescu: mod6 it is not legal in argentina to convene more than six people outside of the presence of roasted meat.
mircea_popescu: the correct spellings is i'm so ashamed not ishmael.
ben_vulpes: i'll settle for my mother's praise
ben_vulpes: that's for the sons of ishmael
mircea_popescu: it's like... the only true comedic venue left.
ben_vulpes: man talk about insider baseball this shit's not even going to be proofable against other humans
cjc: During the articles critical of G.A., the above page was linked to... along the way, I discovered this channel.
ben_vulpes: i gotta cook up some roasts then
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BGzsDD )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cjc: I was on one of these Trilema pages earlier today, but didn't understand what the Lord of Bitcoins page was all about when I landed there linked from an article.
mircea_popescu: the city never sleeps
cjc: How does BingoBoingo work, am I grand a 30 minute one time voice in the channel and then able to simply lurk?
mircea_popescu: (doctors don't sleep either. allegedly for different reasons._)
cjc: I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the issues I experienced with morgan.freenode.net this year.
cjc: mircea_popescu, I did not apparently catch the news with regard to NSA infiltration.
mircea_popescu: there's more to money than just getting five thousand people to send you ten bux.