diana_coman: basically there is no reason NOT TO
mircea_popescu: what we call mpi is closer to gmp than what the retard crowd does anyway.
asciilifeform: i've been referring to mpi and gmp interchangeably as 'koch rsa', but this is unscientific, i must remind that they are diff items.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly i ought add : ~mpi~ dunhave strassen. ~gmp~ (the older, 'uncut' gnu thingie) has strassen.
asciilifeform: the 1 application where ffa defo dunwork, and koch -- does, is phuctor.
asciilifeform: tbh i'm not sure what kochtronic rsa will be good for once i have the keygenning ( it apparently dun win on speed anywhere, even tho it gets to skip 0s in modexp.. ) but this time not yet come.
asciilifeform: ( when i have ~complete~ sys, ~then~ mircea_popescu can go 'hmm, which one to sew ~here~' etc )
asciilifeform: and as of right nao it's the only ~complete~ rsatron we have, i.e. that knows how to bake privkeys
asciilifeform: well until last wk it was the only rsatron we had that ran in something like realtime
mircea_popescu: but the fact that we have the eucrypt item is very useful inter alia especially for such simulated-userland-tests for core libs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't ; nor will it, because what truly brings serpent in is the ~space~ not the time problem. ie, because of padding, straight rsa doubles message bulk, which is a major problem for online game.
asciilifeform: also recall the (surprising to asciilifeform , but apparently nobody else) discovery that ffatron as-is-stands is ~2.5x faster than koch.
mircea_popescu: in the sense eucrypt uses mpi you mean ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: correct. the item that needs padtron, is mircea_popescu's specced 'fuckng replace gpg already' ; and possibly also koch-free euloratrons.
mircea_popescu: but rather, from what i understand, is taking finishing touches re reproducible builds, consisting principally of hunting for "Where does it piss in date or w/e ruining my sigs"
mircea_popescu: point being : de-sslification of bitcoin is not stalled on this. it is stalled on prior de-sslification of cuntoo, which as such doesn't yet exist, which is not really stalled on this either.
asciilifeform: it needs an entirely other item ( which can be sewn from ffa parts, but has not been of yet )
asciilifeform: otherwise all of the nonleakage guarantees bought at the cost they were bought at, vanish.
asciilifeform: cuz that's how mircea_popescu specified the padding
a111: Logged on 2018-12-28 20:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: sadly i do not know how to 'guarantee perfection'. all i know how to do is to bake maximally 'fits in head' and bank that the folx here will find mistake if it turns out that i made one.
asciilifeform: since we're refreshing chalkboards in war room, i'ma take the chance to summarize current level of ffaism. currently exponentiator is mature ( aside from the consideration where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883687 , i.e. it's mature when ~other~ thinkingpeople have fit it into head and concurred ) -- i.e. runs fast enuff for many battlefield applications
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 15:14 mircea_popescu: it's not exactly clear to me yet what the situation is. it's altogether possible postgres may be rescuable through a process similar to how "peculiar linux candidate packaging sterilized into cuntoo".
asciilifeform is refreshing chalkboard, would like to get a sense of the set of items he personally owes
a111: Logged on 2018-10-26 02:14 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in gnat bugs : apparently ( and this is documented or mentioned nowhere ) : it is impossible to have a Ada.Finalization.Limited_Controlled type ANYWHERE inside a static library, unless it is generic all the way down (i.e. if the lib package is generic, any sub-packages must also be instantiated as generics )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:17 mircea_popescu: so, she'll be doing client work with her own two hands, something i had every intention to avoid ; and we'll be looking at integrating cuntoo on the server side later on. there's some db work in the hopper also, but that's even further on the maturity vine.
asciilifeform: there we go.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-03 00:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the logged discussion on the topic was, "if hashes match but paths do not, the file was moved ; if hashes match and paths match, the file is untouched ; if hashes do not match but paths match the file was modified ; if hashes do not match and paths do not match the file was created/deleted"
asciilifeform: the 1 phf went to implement and not yet came back with.
mircea_popescu: mkay. in the immortal words of that fellow, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-12#1880371
asciilifeform: and yes it worx. you give it a similarity matrix (i.e. 'what differences are important, in the order of their importance' in matrix form) and it produces an alignment.
mircea_popescu: the ~algo~ tho. not specifically for v trees, but it strikes me there doesn't exist currently a bin differ ~at all~.
asciilifeform: i posted a complete needleman in cl ( also a draft, rather than troo genesis, nobody stood up and said 'i want this' so shelved ) 2y ago, also.
a111: Logged on 2018-10-06 23:51 phf: asciilifeform: i don't have binary diffing even in prototype form, if you could adaize your needleman-wunsch i could add it to vtools, the way i did with diana_coman's keccak
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:37 mircea_popescu: i do not know, as i sit here, what the conclusion of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 discussion was, three weeks later. the man sits among a republic built on a certain methodology, aims to quietly use the exact ~other~ methodology, makes no prior mention of this, candidly references the latter as if it worked notwithstanding how howlingly it failed to work to date, on and on in this vein and at the end of it al
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884623 << at the risk of pouring petrol into that particular fire, fella also promised a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-06#1859075 item iirc
asciilifeform: ( in orig timeline also did not include problem of constant-time keccak, which i presently do not have, and neither anyone else, but is necessary to fill mircea_popescu's spec for the final product )
asciilifeform: orig release sched is blown, asciilifeform's current desire is to get again to the point where can patch its tyre and reinflate and have rel sched again
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:22 mircea_popescu: finally, asciilifeform is working on rsa-based ssl-ism replacement (notwithstanding he ~seems to be~ working on any and all wank on the "side" during spare time he doesn't have and all that), which we want so we can finally move bitcoin off sheer cretinity and into cuntoo (and which is principally why we want sane db also, but as i said -- yet immature).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884612 << fwiw i've ~exhausted the short-term milk of the particular side cow ( there's a disk snapshot & a recipe to post, but after that will be stalled for aeons ) ;
mircea_popescu: this about concludes the state of affairs ; i'd like nothing more than corrections, disputations &c by they involved.
mircea_popescu: l i have not the faintest what even came of the long avoided but eventually unavoidable discussion.
mircea_popescu: i do not know, as i sit here, what the conclusion of the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881988 discussion was, three weeks later. the man sits among a republic built on a certain methodology, aims to quietly use the exact ~other~ methodology, makes no prior mention of this, candidly references the latter as if it worked notwithstanding how howlingly it failed to work to date, on and on in this vein and at the end of it al
mircea_popescu: ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
mircea_popescu: spyked is evidently trying, hence feedbot, but evidently having trouble reconciling saeculum, which i'm going to let stand as such on the grounds that he's new -- even though experience shows that as a dubious idea [for all the eg one could possibly need witness how asciilifeform 's still in the swamp, so many years later].
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what ben_vulpes is doing these days, if anything (other than maintaining his logotron, whatever that takes). i would like to hear.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron seems lost in a bucolic paradise slash midwestern parochial nightmare of his own choosing. nothing wrong with this either, and unless i hear any better that will be the conclusion.
mircea_popescu: other than this, mod6 is taking time off, since mid-november. nothing wrong with this, but i'd like to see some conclusions at some point.
mircea_popescu: finally, asciilifeform is working on rsa-based ssl-ism replacement (notwithstanding he ~seems to be~ working on any and all wank on the "side" during spare time he doesn't have and all that), which we want so we can finally move bitcoin off sheer cretinity and into cuntoo (and which is principally why we want sane db also, but as i said -- yet immature).
mircea_popescu: other than maintaining the deedbot infrastructure, trinque is working on cuntoo, which is a rather large piece and it taking a [difficult to predict] while is not by itself the end of the world ; but i'd like to see some roadmapping, tentative and subject to change as it may be, lest the effort degenerates.
mircea_popescu: hanbot is working on the mp-wp tree, and manages as she long has a rather largeish wetworks i'm not going to get into the details of.
mircea_popescu: so, she'll be doing client work with her own two hands, something i had every intention to avoid ; and we'll be looking at integrating cuntoo on the server side later on. there's some db work in the hopper also, but that's even further on the maturity vine.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman is working for s.mg ; we've recently had this exact talk and revised our plans. originally the idea was to have moved over to cuntoo, and do support work for community-driven effort at a new client. the latter completely collapsed over the shocking weakness of such community ; the former's at best delayed.
diana_coman: I'm all for the talk, certainly
mircea_popescu: yet -- it is not my business ; so i'm just going to count it as such, "working on pizarro" without further inquiry (and with the firm expectation that someone IS doing all that).
diana_coman: fwiw I can't say I saw a surprise so far in any of the april announcements; at most more of a difference of degree at times (i.e. the expected direction/action but to a larger/smaller degree)
mircea_popescu: so : as far as i know, bingoBoingo is working on qntra and on pizarro. he's doing a very fine job with the former ; i'm nonplussed with recently discovering just how broken the latter's mp-wp offering actually was ; moreover it seems to me from a distance pizarro's still financially and customer-wise entirely dependent, ie as close to failure as you can possibly get without spelling it out.
mircea_popescu: foremost, the lordship is not a state, but an activity.
mircea_popescu: well, meanwhile it's the 5th day of this fine new year, and it occurs to me it might be a good idea to discuss some things, lest april coming around this year like any other year be perceived as some kind of subjective surprise, rather than the objective necessity it ever is.
asciilifeform: ( esp for modular arithmetic , where neither python, perl , bc , really worx without extensive fiddlage )
mircea_popescu: "Python ints don't have a fixed number of\ndigits." priceless. especially for the 000a intercalation.
asciilifeform: most of the folx whose heads worked in 1970s, long ago reached end of working life
asciilifeform: https://archive.vn/Ob6ti << ru army issues yet-others. whole subj shrouded in bolix-esque aura of seekrederpery, for decades.
asciilifeform: ( aka amifostine . there's 5-6 publicly known variations on same leitmotif )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 17:32 mircea_popescu: this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.
asciilifeform: further upstack , i read http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884475 and was waiting for mention of free-radical scavengers , e.g. WR-2721 and other variations on the theme, but didn't find..
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 16:47 mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.
asciilifeform: somehow i used python for yrs as an adhoc calculator and had nfi this bomb were there.
asciilifeform: apparently it interprets the 05 as.. base prefix.
mircea_popescu: well, i got other firepits to attend to, but what a great logmorning this has been!
asciilifeform: ( recall how constanttimeization is done, when converged, you set the stopper and fz_mux outputs the answer , after that algo runs however many shots remain but without affecting the output )
asciilifeform: euclid's subtractor in 2^B, and therefore runs in geological time for bignums
mircea_popescu: think about it, if it converged in more than 2^B turns, then you'd have a B bit number contain B+k bits of information.
mircea_popescu: there's your proof.
asciilifeform: ( naturally not written as he wrote it, with the shaved additions, but with full widths. but still )
asciilifeform: all i need nao is the proof that the thing needs F(B) turns of the crank to converge, where B is bitness of operands, and it's battlefield-ready.
asciilifeform: ( and yes we'll bake primes without leaking the intermediates. which means that gcd eats full width of register, miller-rabin actually fires 9000 times , etc )
asciilifeform: i try to find the goodstuff!
mircea_popescu: did i mention i like your treasure trove finds a lot more these days ?
asciilifeform: ~without~ the 3 separate full-width subtractions that e.g. constanttimeized stein's gcd needs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the pedantery wherein he explains how "substraction really adition because transform and add 1" is so fucken cute... when is this, 1920 ?
mircea_popescu: "At each subsequent stage, the next number is the last N plus the last Z ; carries out of bounds are ignored ; if anything's ignored the next number's an N, otherwise a Z. " to take it out of the idiotic format.
asciilifeform: ( for some reason did not use the standard name for it, why -- i do not know )
mircea_popescu: and why the fuck does he use ~substraction~, could have used addition instead for same exact money.
mircea_popescu: lol. right. "addition" my foot. why the fuck do scientists misuse terms of art. "addition over finite field"!="addition"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck did he pick 10k
asciilifeform: the gods dangle, verily, their lures : largest usable hole so happens is the smallest commercially drillable pcb drill...
mircea_popescu: THE WARTENBERG RAKE!!!
asciilifeform: btw electron beam makes exactly the sorta drill you want here.
mircea_popescu: lol. eh, i got some of those kitten scratcher things, can drill microholes on the cheap.
asciilifeform: in moar mundane lulz, asciilifeform , after N-th vivisection of bolixtron, boots it up and finds that it turned into 'ordinary old crapple', i.e. no longer sees the card. thinks 'eh, shit', then -- remembers that it's a fuking '80s machine -- goes, cleans contacts. then finds, box again worx...
asciilifeform: it sux, tho, having to bury the dead enemy, + his furniture, walls, the ground his house was on, in pb coffins, to take the territory.
asciilifeform: but indeed, if anybody knows just how much neutron it takes to nail a man in militarily-relevant time frame, they aint tellin'
asciilifeform: the jp nukes were neutron-poor, tho
mircea_popescu: this is not factually true. leaving aside how nuclear explosion not nearly as harmful to people as commonly misrepresented (and let's see http://trilema.com/2011/radiatia-si-corpul-omenesc/#comment-44772 re this), there's precious few neutron casualties recorded.
asciilifeform: ( observe that you dun need to cook the victim , like egg, he's just as dead when % of his Na turns to Mg etc
mircea_popescu: that is HOW the thickness of the sheet protects you from neutrons -- the thicker the sheet, the lower the loss into you. because that power law.
mircea_popescu: same would be true of electrons, too, except for the braking, which makes 99.x% of the energy of those NOT energetic enough to go through... take your picture.
mircea_popescu: if there's one meter of steel and two meters of you, 99.x% of all neutrons energetic enough to go through the sheet will ALSO be energetic enough to go through you
mircea_popescu: but all the classical films include "bottom of this here mountain" because do the math, one single electron can produce enough gamma to fry an egg
asciilifeform: (notably ~not~ the case with grazing 'optics' )
mircea_popescu: (ie, you are MORE likely to die for being behind sheet lead/steel/whatever than not. because high energy electron won't hurt you at all -- or even see you -- but the tons of gamma it spews as the metal plate decelerates it WILL fucking fry you)\
asciilifeform: so goes to the desired place.
asciilifeform: aha, as i undestand brems gets refracted along same vector as the orig photon
mircea_popescu: then we'll all use that and all will be well.
mircea_popescu: one day my car mechanic is going to come into this room, pour a quart of oil into the box, and make a whole new os this way.
asciilifeform: it's a 'the fucking key was in your pocket, lol' sorta wtf gem.
asciilifeform: nao really one oughta ~etch~ the holes
asciilifeform: hey it's how all other lensing worx.
mircea_popescu: first fucking lesson in the field, what.
mircea_popescu: right because discontinuous media is THE metamaterial for matter-wave interaction.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck didn't i think of that.
mircea_popescu: only works on specified x-ray, i expect ? not exactly "lens" in the broad sense.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-12 18:27 asciilifeform: 'the best machine is no machine' (herr altschuller)
asciilifeform: ( tldr : plate of aluminum, with 0.5mm holes drilled. the working surface is ~edge~ of plate. )
asciilifeform: in other olds, apparently i slept through this, but in early 2000s some ru d00d actually built a ~non-grazing~ lens for xray. for pennies, at that.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 16:46 mircea_popescu: but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story
mircea_popescu: a there we go ty
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can i has link to the story in question for completeness btw ?
asciilifeform: they sure do.
mircea_popescu: i guess one doesn't strictly speaking need it for trophycase/tchotchkecase/whatever, give the slavegirls something to do, dust it biweekly. however books get infected.
asciilifeform: ( they're ~ungettable in usa. today i haven't any glass. tho i do have air scrubbers, like in museums.. )
mircea_popescu: in lighter news, diana_coman 's latest suggests the last indisputable use for the bookshelf.
mircea_popescu: fucking "localized keyboards". that's what i fucking need in the 90s, "let's make computers useful and accessible to the bureaucracy!" "imagine mp, vast fields of fat minnesota cows derping on the computer all day long!"
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Rinderpest_1896-CN.jpg << this shall now become part of the permanent record.
mircea_popescu: they do. it's what they fucking are, first to last, and fuck them all for being so fucking stupid. "oh, mit forced". nobody fucking forced them, they betrayed their kind because of what they are.
mircea_popescu: we can talk of power rangers in bitcoin because they got fucking squashed. but nobody before thought "o hey, you know what knight, stallman, richie etc ALL have in common ?! FUCKING POWER RANGERS JESUS FUCK."
mircea_popescu: fucktarded socialists hijacking computing for their own ends. just like they tried to hijack bitcoin, because that's what they fucking do, sit around all day trying to come up with some way to tie the sun to their chariot.
mircea_popescu: what, i ask you, WHAT is a worse stain than having spent a minute on the needs of the poor ? they're fucking poor for a reason! step on their faces, there's rich people that you could be helping instead.
mircea_popescu: fucking get it already -- if you work with the monkeys people will spit in your eye.
mircea_popescu: ie, EXACTLY these dead horses smart people are dragging around on their own fucking power to sheer exhaustion.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 23:14 mircea_popescu: "who do you think will win, mr 13, the team with two guys and monkeys or the team with three guys and monkeys ?"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-09 22:03 asciilifeform: most of the heavy lifting was done by a dozen or so people, however. (david moon, richard greenblatt, tom knight, buncha smaller ones )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
mircea_popescu: but instead of that (and, it has to be said, through AND BECAUSE the ~shameful~, utterly immoral and absolutely unethical efforts of idiots just like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884205 and like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1640999 of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-09#1641209 fame and so on), they became the exact equivalents of those loud earpieces in that shackley story
mircea_popescu: computers were supposed to be intelligence amplifiers, these devices that make the smart ~more effectual~.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 13:21 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.
asciilifeform: the sphere, interestingly, is supposedly the size of a regulation billiard ball, and some folx have replaced it with the latter.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-27 05:12 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674891 << i've been using that one for a while, with a https://www.amazon.com/CST2545-L-Trac-Wired-Performance-Trackball/dp/B00EEFK5QQ trackball in the middle. i'm pretty happy with that setup. i've figured out how to get the firmware out of the controller, so i'm hoping to customize some of the keys (that are otherwise useless)
asciilifeform: in other olds-noose, asciilifeform installed a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-27#1674958 , and it's pretty great. ty phf !
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, and the smallest ones also don't yeild much glue when boiled
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: all the race horses are dead. and we race , if you will, while dragging the carcasses around. so i prefer to go with the smallest when possible.
BingoBoingo: Well yes, when all the race horses got tumors...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly i said this before, but i am not fond of arm -- it is horrendously ugly, complex, single-vendored ( the multi-vendoritude is an illusion, they all use same british turd mask ) . i picked it as 'best horse in glue factory' for the application, is all.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 12:26 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884348 << And too be fair, the Rockchip thing is pretty sweet
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 02:28 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884340 << point. i suspect that a good chunk of the interest in old irons is driven by the sheer unfathomable depth of retardation of 'modern' comp
a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 20:15 diana_coman: trinque, how's it going with getting the Cuntoo .vpatch in fixed shape?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TBF a lot of weird looks good when the alternatives are Windows, Lunix, and ManzanaBSD
asciilifeform: there's folx running 'aix' even, that old favourite of BingoBoingo .
asciilifeform: when i first went to look for the thing, found that there's a whole underworld of vintage crapple people ( and 'amiga' etc ) , most of'em moved to using these things.
asciilifeform: the crapple ftr uses ordinary 512byte blks.
asciilifeform: ( you can actually set arbitrary block size, so the weirdo 1280byte blox will work )
asciilifeform: phf i expect these will work in your 'xl' also.
asciilifeform: at the very least, it's quiet, and pulls 1watt instead of 40, reducing strain on the ancient electrolytic caps..
a111: Logged on 2019-01-04 01:15 asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
asciilifeform: to round off the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-04#1884258 thrd : item confirmed to work. booted up box with it , it's a mixed blessing ( ~zero seek times, but slightly ~slower~ linear transfer than the mechanical disk. but, theoretically lasts '4evah', given as card can be easily backed up )
asciilifeform: there was, however, warez. asciilifeform got most of his msdos-goldenage stuff from alt.binaries.*
asciilifeform: he outlived me there by considerable time.
asciilifeform: in the last days of the good old days, it was actually pretty common, in asciilifeform's recollection.
asciilifeform: some defo bothered
mircea_popescu: i dunno anyone actually bothered.
asciilifeform: where you only needed e.g. 30 of 36 .rxx etc to magick the whole thing back into shape
asciilifeform: oh hey remember the luby-style usenet archiver thing
mircea_popescu: (if anyone wonders why all those r00 r01 etc slices back in the day)
asciilifeform: also suffers from practical gnarl -- say the session gets thrown. how many times is the bot to retry upload.
asciilifeform: this is prolly the most practical scheme suggested, to date, for this. but still feels heavy.
mircea_popescu: you don't even have to ascii armor, if that bothers you.
mircea_popescu: WAY the fuck cheaper than alternative.
asciilifeform: pretty heavy on the serving end, tho, needs scratch buffer of $file-length per each req.
asciilifeform: a reasonably-mechanized process for distributing warez to one's l1/l2 might be useful, but i haven't yet devised one that dun break in annoying ways in the field.
asciilifeform: i have a half-written bot that takes a deedbot-style gpg wot decrypt and puts out a single-use emulated ftp login thing. but it is not alive, because gnarly in practice ( if single-shot, resumes dunwork; and no crypto, and prolly this is solvable but i dun have currently the time budget for massaging it )
mircea_popescu: when joe blow did enough for you that it overwhelms the headache, he can has.
asciilifeform: this is a fundamental problem with throwing up warez for 'public'. how to justify to self, the bird feeder.
mircea_popescu: when realised that i do not like the "community" enough to pump 1k/mo into it or anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't a tracker, just a large box with the entire collection of trilema reviewed films. on for a year or so, but turned it off recently.
asciilifeform: it aint that much good without the iron, but i would like the thing publicly gettable, given as i also baked a 'scsi2sd' config that eats the thing
asciilifeform: i ask because i have a 9GB disk image from that bolix 'macivory' ( recorded using the 'alpha' from earlier thrd ) but am reluctant to simply put on dulap, soaking up bw for errybody
asciilifeform: unrelatedly : hey mircea_popescu , didja have a torrent tracker ? i seem to recall in the log ( tho cannot find. ) or was it an in-house thingie strictly.
mod6: Yeah, I get the pizarro ip for both A and MX records. Just in case, I have posted the clearsigned report to my website for viewing: http://mod6.net/2018/December/31/btcf_address_201812.txt
jurov: diana_coman: really, let's seriously troubleshoot this. if you aren't using hosts file, can you please paste the output of: dig therealbitcoin.org and: dig MX therealbitcoin.org
asciilifeform: ( iirc diana_coman was the only 1 afflicted )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 22:01 asciilifeform: jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
asciilifeform: ( in fact, if anyffing -- encouraged, the type safety makes it less immediately lethal than otherwise would be )
mircea_popescu: i suppose the first step in the wonderful world of language is the kid's "what incantations do" rather than "what does this mean". takes a considerable time exposed to "she is your genie, ask what you will, she'll produce it" sorta situation for the former to mutate into the latter, "what the fuck am i asking these genies to do here!"
asciilifeform: incidentally i'll add that most published heathen ada proggies use c-style heapism, it isn't banned by the lang per se.
asciilifeform: c programmers who 'stop to think about what it means' tend to go insane and gouge out own eyes etc. so not much experience of this in the field.
mircea_popescu: memory management in c is one of the weirdest things. this is not directly obvious first off, but if you stop to think about what you're saying ~actually means~ it's a guaranteed starseeing moment.
asciilifeform: Mocky collected the whole, iirc, set, i'ma link ftr to http://mocky.org/Log-Reference-Why-Ada/ .
a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 18:10 asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal
asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662671 , and other examples i documented in 2016-7 l0gz )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 20:00 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884225 << ada is surrounded by a kind of roman 'sudes' fort , consisting of 'why the fuck does it make me do this', kills 99+% of maggots on the spot. at least that's my hypothesis re why the thing remains usable ~40 yrs after first made, unlike e.g. unix
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-november-and-december-1715-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of November and December, 1715 - Part III.
asciilifeform: why the everliving fuck would anyone ever see 'Generated by cloudfront (CloudFront)' from that thing ??
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 07:19 diana_coman: mod6, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-January/000321.html gives me http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/aaNkK/?raw=true
asciilifeform: jurov: then mystery deepens . can you offer an explanation for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884046 ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 17:15 asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884103 << i think the logs reflect my thinking similarily at first ; but kinda dropped it also.
mircea_popescu: time exists in the mind.
mircea_popescu: Mocky we're in the same time distortion field. i recall people dead for centuries as if we just interrupted a coffee conversation days ago ; i forgot idiots i met yesterday as if milennia had passed.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:18 asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884196 << the point isn't the "monetary" cost, they have 0 money anyway. the point is the intellectual cost -- they're monkeys, they barely got enough brainpower to cluck at the shiny, what computer, what computers.
mircea_popescu: poor danielpbarron, i'm starting to understand his problem : specifically because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 ie much lower intellectual bar, it is actually WAY THE FUCK EASIER to sell his church than the republic, to the sort of random interneteer. memory vs thought, hands down easier to memorize than structure the world.
mircea_popescu: and "most irc people" is an undefined symbol. there's the lordship and absolutely nothing else. there's no "irc people".
mircea_popescu: random schmuckette futzing with her phone "losing" her nudes is of no consequence, she is a party favour anyway, whether she knows this or not.
mircea_popescu: stratum we are only interested in destroying the capacity of posturing of the "state actor" known asw the usg.
Mocky: unrelatedly, it's strange time distortion to be a newb and compress the reading of back #trilema & #ba logs into 8 months and then see http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884140 and realize the fella (and plenty others fresh in the mind) hasn't even spoken here for a year
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i wonder if the fella knows just what's behind the door he's walked into.
asciilifeform: the appropriate tech 'for the billions' is prolly the ox-plow ( and with proviso that they turn into a moar manageable 'millions' )
asciilifeform: stratum: tech 'for the billions' remains a questionable proposition even in re 100 y.o. techs. 'the billions' still have trouble with not dropping running toaster in bathtub.
Mocky: are you an advocate on behalf of the billions?
stratum: If individuals want to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet to avoid NSA goons, that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see that happening for the billions any time soon.
stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
asciilifeform: except where yer lock aint a lock at all, but instead is rather more similar to the plastic amulets 'boko haram' hands out to soldiers 'to stop bullets'
Mocky: more like the tsa luggage locks
stratum: I doubt any locksmith, who knows how easily they can be defeated, is arguing against locks for the average person, grandmas, and such. It seems like the argument against https from the likes of dpb is an argument of this type, in my opinion.
asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
stratum: Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.
asciilifeform: stratum: so enlighten me, what's the logic -- you can't afford to plug in 2 boxes , but want to tell self stories at bedtime re 'secure anyway' ?
Mocky: also re bot, I do see the underlying problem that is revealed when someone says "oh hey, never thought of..."
stratum: If one can afford the money, time, and hassle, nothing.
asciilifeform: the notion pushed by reich where 'it is cheaper to only work against jackass' is fallacious, your cpu can bear the load.
stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
stratum: I think most IRC people would be more concerned with some random internet jackoff fucking with them than GCHQ.
asciilifeform: stratum: given that the most active criminal is the nato reich itself, what exactly is the worth of pkiistic 'sekoority' where they have master key ?
stratum: In some cases, which do not involve a determined attacker or state actor, https can prevent man in the middle attacks, the capture of full browsing sessions, and, while unfortunately involving untrusted third party mega corporations tied to the security state, one can be slightly more assured you're talking to the actual website you intend to.
Mocky: unfortunately my cpp skills are not there yet
Mocky: yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience
mircea_popescu: stratum and who might you be then ?
mircea_popescu: from the gimme a second ima clean up this bimboconvo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the 'steam engine is 'the workerz' 'but minus the drinkin' and unionizin''' pov ?
mircea_popescu: (and yes, republican bot is ==== imperial "we the people", no question about it.)
mircea_popescu: there's no serious reason to write our poor people in the way THEIR poor people would like our poor people to work [for the transparent reason that thusly, our poor people won't outcompete and drown out their poor people].