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(trilema) nubbins`: it's not like that everywhere
(trilema) nubbins`: mjr_: so if i get a kg off some guy and say "sorry dude, i got busted", he's gonna swallow the cost?
(trilema) nubbins`: it would be the end of me
(trilema) nubbins`: i like things too much
(trilema) nubbins`: never tried coke, never will
(trilema) nubbins`: and here it's all pill addicts doing AND selling coke
(trilema) nubbins`: i think the difference between here and nyc is that in nyc it's all rich people doing coke
(trilema) nubbins`: which is why you exit the courthouse after entering your not guilty plea and immediately get a phone call from some guy looking for his $7000
(trilema) nubbins`: which is why nobody is ready for it
(trilema) nubbins`: that's the thing, nobody expects it
(trilema) nubbins`: it doesn't
(trilema) nubbins`: granted, i don't think they intended to kill the guy
(trilema) nubbins`: killing someone makes everyone who owes you $1 pay up
(trilema) nubbins`: it's all skids here
(trilema) nubbins`: must be great
(trilema) nubbins`: i guess people are nicer in NYC
(trilema) nubbins`: i live a three-minute walk from a house where a guy was tied up and beaten to death with a chair leg by a coke dealer
(trilema) nubbins`: and when i say street-level i mean 10kg and below
(trilema) nubbins`: "understanding", "working out terms", are a fiction for street-level trades
(trilema) nubbins`: you threaten to break my bones
(trilema) nubbins`: no, you don't kill me
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, having large amounts of outstanding credit is not a great idea
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's like every coke dealer
(trilema) nubbins`: i have an acquaintance who was caught with a large amount of cocaine a couple of years ago
(trilema) nubbins`: fair enough
(trilema) nubbins`: and you can't pay him for it
(trilema) nubbins`: now you owe some guy a brick
(trilema) nubbins`: because when you get busted
(trilema) nubbins`: no it's not!!
(trilema) nubbins`: whether it's common or not
(trilema) nubbins`: getting a brick on loan is not sensible
(trilema) nubbins`: mjr_: i said any sensible dealer
(trilema) nubbins`: mjr_: in the real world, yes
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: if i had to bet, i'd say it was WAY more weed than coke
(trilema) nubbins`: not getting it on loan
(trilema) nubbins`: any sensible dealer would be paying for supply up-front
(trilema) nubbins`: you need to realize that selling on sr was VERY lucrative
(trilema) nubbins`: pretty good
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: biggest losers were the dealers. thousands of $$ in limbo at any given time
(trilema) nubbins`: sell it for $50 on ebay
(trilema) nubbins`: i suppose i should go silkscreen a huge BTC logo on a nice thick cotton rag paper, and then perforate it into tiny squares
(trilema) nubbins`: blotter artwork is an interesting thing
(trilema) nubbins`: mjr_: so a 3-party tx where the site acts as escrow?
(trilema) nubbins`: nothing of value
(trilema) nubbins`: porn passwords
(trilema) nubbins`: i can't recall
(trilema) nubbins`: mp, before my time
(trilema) nubbins`: although we all know that nobody would withdraw their funds anyway
(trilema) nubbins`: well, they could put the website back up with the listings removed
(trilema) nubbins`: but it won't be fought for
(trilema) nubbins`: we also all know that it's groundless
(trilema) nubbins`: tat, we all know this, yes
(trilema) nubbins`: i advance the opinion that it's not anyone else's place to decide who deserves my money, regardless of where i keep it
(trilema) nubbins`: because they put them on a website where bad people sold bad things?
(trilema) nubbins`: what's the argument for these people not "deserving" their btc back?
(trilema) nubbins`: well, my house is owned by the bank. doesn't mean they can come take my television.
(trilema) nubbins`: future crime!
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov: siezing funds in user accounts is like the cops knocking on my door and demanding the contents of any jars with "to be used for drugs" on the label
(trilema) nubbins`: that judge deserves some bitcoin
(trilema) nubbins`: how about the guy who just transferred 1btc to his SR wallet?
(trilema) nubbins`: jurov: well, an idiot would make a claim for in-limbo funds
(trilema) nubbins`: UNITED STATES v. EVERYTHING
(trilema) nubbins`: users' unspent funds are not the proceeds of crime though, hey?
(trilema) nubbins`: that *is* a comical case name
(trilema) nubbins`: UNITED STATES v. ANY AND ALL ASSETS OF SILK ROAD, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE SILK ROAD HIDDEN WEBSITE AND ANY AND ALL BITCOINS CONTAINED IN WALLET FILES RESIDING ON SILK ROAD SERVERS, INCLUDING THE SERVERS ASSIGNED THE FOLLOWING INTERNET PROTOCOL ADDRESSES: 46.183.219.244; 109.163.234.40; 193.107.86.34; 193.107.86.49; 207.106.6.25; AND 207.106.6.32;
(trilema) nubbins`: "identity hearing"?
(trilema) nubbins`: you'd think they'd at least cc the bitcoin foundation on that complaint
(trilema) nubbins`: now everyone is fat and has heart attacks
(trilema) nubbins`: and it's been salt fish, salt beef, and root veg that whole time
(trilema) nubbins`: whitey has been on this island for 500 years
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: logic has no place in north/south relations
(trilema) nubbins`: traditional food here is root vegetables and salt beef
(trilema) nubbins`: see, traditional korean food is not only delicious as fuck, but good for you
(trilema) nubbins`: all of it, really
(trilema) nubbins`: as is kimchi jjigae
(trilema) nubbins`: dolsot bibimbap is really good
(trilema) nubbins`: it's the only reason i'd ever consider going back there
(trilema) nubbins`: korean cuisine is the best in the world, bar none
(trilema) nubbins`: dinner and some karaoke
(trilema) nubbins`: ^^^ common sight
(trilema) nubbins`: not as repressed as japan, but close
(trilema) nubbins`: honestly, the fact this park exists is extremely bizarre, given their attitudes toward sex in general
(trilema) nubbins`: nah, koreans are too prudish for that
(trilema) nubbins`: prolly cos he's white
(trilema) nubbins`: can't find a pic
(trilema) nubbins`: there was one sculpture that was literally a glory hole
(trilema) nubbins`: doesn't hold a candle to that, i guess
(trilema) nubbins`: some of it is EPIC
(trilema) nubbins`: that lots of couples visit on honeymoon
(trilema) nubbins`: although there is a sex park on jeju island
(trilema) nubbins`: pepero day, everyone gives each other pepero
(trilema) nubbins`: valentines day, men give gifts to women. white day (march 14), women give gifts to men. green day, singles wear green
(trilema) nubbins`: they have colour days at least once a month with the intent of fostering romance
(trilema) nubbins`: it's very stressful
(trilema) nubbins`: the future wife literally cannot be zen until she is married with children
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's not far off from the reality
(trilema) nubbins`: did i mention there are huge alcohol problems?
(trilema) nubbins`: and take care of your parents/in-laws until they die
(trilema) nubbins`: and marry and have kids (bonus points if it's a lucky year)
(trilema) nubbins`: but you can't be zen if you don't pass your government exams
(trilema) nubbins`: well, the goal is zen/nirvana/whatever more often than not
(trilema) nubbins`: in the actual sense of the word, not the misappropriated sense
(trilema) nubbins`: nah, they're all about karma
(trilema) nubbins`: much more laid back than the christian 1/4, which was unwaveringly insufferable
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, only i think 1/4 of the population was buddhist
(trilema) nubbins`: not general luck, or even general academic luck
(trilema) nubbins`: like, specifically, those particular exams
(trilema) nubbins`: you can seriously buy buddhist charms that are supposed to give you luck in your government exams
(trilema) nubbins`: SK as a rule are intensely dedicated to this
(trilema) nubbins`: that's an interesting point
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: you're suggesting that proximity to china/ussr was more of a deciding factor in NK's fate?
(trilema) nubbins`: and best korea would be making kimchi fridges
(trilema) nubbins`: well, if they decided that agriculture belonged in the south, then seoul wouldn't exist
(trilema) nubbins`: and it turned out industry was more of a money-maker than growing rice
(trilema) nubbins`: but then war-by-proxy drew a nice wide line through the middle
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, that GDP chart is more luck than anything. it was decided that the north part of korea would be used for agriculture and the south part for industry
(trilema) nubbins`: it's a country of really odd juxtapositions
(trilema) nubbins`: that old lady selling bugs has a cellphone that can receive live television 200ft underground
(trilema) nubbins`: but even the poor have lots of tech
(trilema) nubbins`: old ladies selling boiled insects on street corners outside 100-story skyscrapers
(trilema) nubbins`: i mean poor
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: large gap between rich and poot
(trilema) nubbins`: they do not fuck around at all
(trilema) nubbins`: and kimchi fridges, which is possibly the strangest home appliance i've ever seen
(trilema) nubbins`: and apartment building complexes?
(trilema) nubbins`: did you know samsung makes cars over there?
(trilema) nubbins`: everybody does
(trilema) nubbins`: not best korea
(trilema) nubbins`: nono, i said second-best korea
(trilema) nubbins`: and i was able to pay off my student loans in only 9 months
(trilema) nubbins`: it was my first time travelling to a foreign country alone, which led to me being bitten by the travel bug, which i consider a huge positive
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm of two minds on the whole thing
(trilema) nubbins`: (half the people are idiots and half your time is wasted)
(trilema) nubbins`: well, that's only half true
(trilema) nubbins`: you can get drunk every night, eat out every day, and still send home $1000+ per month
(trilema) nubbins`: anyway, relatively high pay, relatively low cost of living
(trilema) nubbins`: plenty of "party girls" karaoke bars
(trilema) nubbins`: teaching english
(trilema) nubbins`: same thing every canadian with a university degree was doing
(trilema) nubbins`: which, i suppose, is fitting
(trilema) nubbins`: now the smell of sewage reminds me of bad times
(trilema) nubbins`: while i appreciate the experience, i had an overall negative experience while living in SK
(trilema) nubbins`: the smell still reminds me of that place
(trilema) nubbins`: my apartment in second-best korea was near an open sewer
(trilema) nubbins`: but of course the contractors fucked it up and it's been shut down until it can be fixed
(trilema) nubbins`: TBF they built a sewage treatment plant
(trilema) nubbins`: nah canadian
(trilema) nubbins`: we pump raw sewage into the ocean here, we're probably on all types of lists
(trilema) nubbins`: because americans drink water
(trilema) nubbins`: yeah afaik the usa claims jurisdiction over oceans
(trilema) nubbins`: i used to hang up on calls like this, now i just lay the phone down and let the robocaller time out
(trilema) nubbins`: all i must do is press 1 to participate in a survey!!
(trilema) nubbins`: ooh, i've been selected for a free cruise to the bahamas!
(trilema) nubbins`: mircea_popescu: then how are they supposed to write indignant editorials?
(trilema) nubbins`: "so basically if you abandoned your shopping cart because you wanted a cointerra instead, ken is still counting your order as a sale"
(trilema) nubbins`: sales include promises to buy
(trilema) nubbins`: hahahahahahaha
(trilema) nubbins`: so media doesn't get around to serious coverage til the following monday
(trilema) nubbins`: provincial govt here has a nice trick where they issue press releases at 4:30pm on fridays
(trilema) nubbins`: well, govt is govt
(trilema) nubbins`: <--math degree
(trilema) nubbins`: sometimes you get a royal flush
(trilema) nubbins`: although obv just as likely to happen as any other given 40-roll combo
(trilema) nubbins`: infinitesimally small
(trilema) nubbins`: 40 in a row, though
(trilema) nubbins`: each individual roll is 1:9
(trilema) nubbins`: i mean, 1e-40
(trilema) nubbins`: bonfire night
(trilema) nubbins`: ;;seen dooglus
(trilema) nubbins`: jcpham: november 5, duh!
(trilema) nubbins`: watch what happens when i place a 1btc bet and everyone thinks it's topace
(trilema) nubbins`: topace: you sure can!
(trilema) nubbins`: having no favicon implies boorishness
(trilema) nubbins`: faviconcoin
(trilema) nubbins`: the logo looks horrible in my head
(trilema) nubbins`: y'know, i think everything but the delay could be worked around
(trilema) nubbins`: well, if it's forked, lots of things are impossible
(trilema) nubbins`: it's trivial to verify a legit tx
(trilema) nubbins`: if the transacting parties agree, there's no need for the escrow agent at all, but you're correct in that the system would hinge on having a supply of readily-available escrow agents
(trilema) nubbins`: multi-sig transactions
(trilema) nubbins`: escrow is a problem?
(trilema) nubbins`: Vexual: don't we all?
(trilema) nubbins`: i'm assuming you keep records of who owns what? suppose you didn't have to
(trilema) nubbins`: mpex servers melt tomorrow, no trading; i can still send a dust tx to transfer my colored address shares
(trilema) nubbins`: another tab next to "receive money" on your blockchain.info account
(trilema) nubbins`: nothing that couldn't be trivially implemented in any desktop or web-based bitcoin client
(trilema) nubbins`: without relying on a website
(trilema) nubbins`: the only thing direct shares need is a way to post bids and asks
(trilema) nubbins`: tying assets to individual coins and not addresses doesn't make any sense
(trilema) nubbins`: until they send a dust tx to someone else saying xfer 50 s.gem or whatever
(trilema) nubbins`: no losing them
(trilema) nubbins`: i send a dust tx to address 1abc, with note "xfer 100 s.gem", so address 1abc is assumed to always possess those 100 shares, permanently
(trilema) nubbins`: why not tie the shares to the address, not to any particular coins?
(trilema) nubbins`: i mean, if the idea behind colored coins is that you have to make this huge tree of transactions that have some sort of magic dust in them
(trilema) nubbins`: why can't i just send pankkake a dust transaction with "xfer 100 S.GEM" in the note field?
(trilema) nubbins`: but let's say i own 100 shares in company x
(trilema) nubbins`: separate blockchain would be vulnerable to 51% attacks
(trilema) nubbins`: hash power!
(trilema) nubbins`: and things that don't make sense don't get implemented
(trilema) nubbins`: it's because shit like i pasted doesn't make sense
(trilema) nubbins`: it boggles me
(trilema) nubbins`: but why the fuck would you design it in such a way that the "color of the coins" (i.e. your shares in company x or whatever) could ever be lost?
(trilema) nubbins`: "A valid Bitcoin transaction which does not follow the special colored format, will be recognized by the Bitcoin network, but not as a legitimate color-preserving transaction by the colored coin network. The color of these coins will be lost, and hence users and software clients need to be careful to avoid doing this and losing their value."
(trilema) nubbins`: after an admittedly short search, i wasn't able to find a whole lot of technical info on the theory behind colored coins, but i found this odd snippet in a paper:
(trilema) nubbins`: anyone feel like fielding a couple of questions about coloured coins?
(trilema) nubbins`: huh, virtex is issuing debit cards now
(trilema) nubbins`: f/m^2 as the fucks accelerate
(trilema) nubbins`: "This is a list of non-pornographic, English language films"
(trilema) nubbins`: i thought they were written in RPG IV
(trilema) nubbins`: hard to keep track
(trilema) nubbins`: although i think i recall that in other places red is the right-wing color of choice?
(trilema) nubbins`: i was referring to their strong slant to the left
(trilema) nubbins`: i get most of my news through the glorious red lens of the canadian broadcasting corporation
(trilema) nubbins`: ah! i have so much to learn
(trilema) nubbins`: i thought that was the onion
(trilema) nubbins`: sadly, no :(
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