decimation: because it could take days for the incompetents to fix the power lines in poor winter weather
decimation: yeah if you have a gas furnace, and you can run the blower, you can save your house water lines from freezing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but what're they used for: typically stands between user and death from exposure. runs furnace blower/igniter in the cold months; a window ac unit in summer; fridge, a few lights, etc.
bitcoinquestinos: mircea_popescu: I know I'm asking what is the purpose of this IRC?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the generators ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they typically have surge rating of 5-7x
mircea_popescu: capacitive charge being what it is, the 2kw would serve for what exactly ?
cazalla: why the demand for s.qntr?
asciilifeform: the candle - cheating!
decimation: re: law enforcement deserts < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8sEJq3jR4 < gentlemen shooting various objects (including propane tank) in the middle of the freakin' desert
decimation: why propane? can be stored for a decade; doesn't leave nasty shit in the engine
decimation: the military has generators in a 'standard container'
asciilifeform: except for poor schmucks who live in flats, those sit out mains outages in their cars.
decimation: re: generators < the power is so unreliable in many areas on the east coast that many folks have a propane or natural gas powered generator permanently installed at their house
mircea_popescu: there you go, asciilifeform, re the orwellworm thread. he perfectly well knows what the problem is.
mircea_popescu: rk that he disapproves of that kind of conducton the contrary, there is a definite strain of sadism in him, over and above the brutality which a writer of that type has to have. Kipling is a jingo imperialist, he is morally insensitive and aesthetically disgusting. It is better to start by admitting that, and then to try to find out why it is that he survives while the refined people who have sniggered at him seem t
mircea_popescu: "It is no use pretending that Kipling's view of life, as a whole, can be accepted or even forgiven by any civilized person. It is no use claiming, for instance, that when Kipling describes a British soldier beating a 'nigger' with a cleaning rod in order to get money out of him, he is acting merely as a reporter and does not necessarily approve what he describes. There is not the slightest sign anywhere in Kipling's wo
mircea_popescu: "Kipling is in the peculiar position of having been a byword for fifty years. During five literary generations every enlightened person has despised him, and at the end of that time nine-tenths of those enlightened persons are forgotten and Kipling is in some sense still there."
mircea_popescu: obviously a scavenger civilisation will hafta be built on top of the previous cities.
asciilifeform: to the point that the limiting factor is finding climate-controlled floor space for them
asciilifeform does not often have praise for usa, but cannot deny that it is a first-class graveyard for surplus golden toilet tech - e.g., machines like the 'tecan 200' (see ancient thread) originally costing 1/3 $mil can be had for ~5-10k usd, etc.
mircea_popescu: if the chinese make it, it can be had here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the thing is, argentina-chinese trade relations are about as close as us-canada
asciilifeform: but wanted to point to the difference between a ubiquitous piece of construction equipment (SOP for electric welders at large sites) and something like a 6-axis cnc mill
mircea_popescu: aha so same thing then
mircea_popescu: this is the important part here. not that "in principle could be had"
asciilifeform: quite a few office parks around here have gensets. through a quirk of bureaucracy, they were made mandatory at one point
mircea_popescu: not these days, notrly.
mircea_popescu: oh well then obv.,
asciilifeform lives outside the city limits of wash.d.c. proper
asciilifeform: lol! everybody on the street (but me, apparently) owns a genset
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except they CANT be had in the us << tell that to kanzure, or any of the ten thousand folks like asciilifeform but moar-loaded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can d << lol, we know these were for friends, not mircea_popescu's house
benjamindees: since I'm not the CIA... no
mircea_popescu: to go from there to fuhrerbunker in less than a decade... you need a real idiot for such a thing.
mircea_popescu: ardly, hypocritical way the British ruling class did all they could to hand Spain over to Franco and the Nazis. Why? Because they were pro-Fascist, was the obvious answer."
mircea_popescu: " In 1936 it was clear to everyone that if Britain would only help the Spanish Government, even to the extent of a few million pounds' worth of arms, Franco would collapse and German strategy would be severely dislocated. By that time one did not need to be a clairvoyant to foresee that war between Britain and Germany was coming; one could even foretell within a year or two when it would come. Yet in the most mean, cow
mircea_popescu: because these logs were INSUFFICIENT i swear. i leave for a full few hours and what do i get ? NOTHING
mircea_popescu: if the whole thing's out of power your problems are probably closer to finding enough ak47s rather than generators.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes perhaps you don't understand what "the town" means.
mircea_popescu: which kinda is what the definition of metal is.
ben_vulpes: once you need it so does the rest of town.
ben_vulpes: how does renting a backup generator by the day make sense?
mircea_popescu: as you might imagine, it's more expensive to run than just use the grid.
mircea_popescu: well i dunno what teh topic really was cause i'm not so sure i said what it seems to be the case i said or something
ben_vulpes: wasn't reaaaally the topic iirc
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the lowest "i did something positive for the world i live in" barrier they'll ever meet.
mircea_popescu: there are, however, bunches (i'm told) of people who would like to do something, but for reasons of barrier of entry, can not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it most certainly cannot be true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in. but quite likely true that he cannot get a pogo shipped in for 18 usd per. <<< it doesn't even reach that. the value of ME running pogos is minimal. there are N+k**p things i can do to halp bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: first gotta resolve the "embedded" vs "external" question
mircea_popescu: that i never ended up using because... there hasn't yet been a power outage.
mircea_popescu: or tell you about how on reports about "power outages" i had all sortos of arrangements in place, including the option to have a container generator installed (worth about 3mw)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i distinctly recall that machine tools are uncommonly difficult to obtain in ar, for example << do i need to show you pictures of the casa del transformador again ?
mircea_popescu: the great debate of "with what" is eagerly awaited. im even working to import two (2) popcorns for the occasion.
mircea_popescu: on the positive side, mining's also nailed down.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but... <<< i come fresh from a three hour session of discussing eulora game model with c people.
trinque: mircea_popescu: maybe they'll crowdsource a sweet name for wwiii from reddit this time
mircea_popescu: trinque: how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply? <<< ww1 was instituted by gallup poll.
mircea_popescu: "oh i hate shootin gelephants and the empire is too heavy ; oh how the latrines stink" is really not adequate for one over the age of about 15.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he could have been lord curzon II, or else he could have been the Russian Lafayette.
mircea_popescu waves at all the people.
asciilifeform: (would lose the occasional bits)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: this kind of thing was not unheard of in the old days of windowed uv-erasable eprom.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: unusually chinese ic package, would be a reasonable hypothesis.
adlai: so at this point i'm working further on my code, and waiting to see if anybody interested in using it has terms in mind already
adlai: i'm not set on a specific configuration for how such terms would look; i'm interested to see what works for them. mircea_popescu outlined the terms he offers people who manage profit centers, and it seems that he's not willing at this stage to risk an amount which is worth my time to manage, and this is understandable
adlai wonders whether that quite does him justice, but arguing on irc gives less of a fuzzy feeling than becoming that someone
assbot: Logged on 07-11-2014 01:18:27; mircea_popescu: there is exactly one avenue to do that : make it so good some actual trader starts using it, after which go work for him.
adlai: ben_vulpes: context is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-11-2014#913052, the thing is usable, i'm trying to get people to use it. maybe not the most tactful, but i don't have my own pr lady (yet)
ben_vulpes: <adlai> [] this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself << i admire the guys persistence
asciilifeform: -everything- is a problem of the poorly networked.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu originally contested the difficulty of importing heavy things, saying it was a problem of the poorly networked
asciilifeform: (see also other threads re: same)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 22:22:37; benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.
assbot: Logged on 29-01-2015 06:26:04; mircea_popescu: i live in the sticks.
asciilifeform: notice that the author had no trouble procuring modern tools
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: at the risk of circularity, the place where you can easily make the kind of arrangement pictured in the film.
asciilifeform: and what provides for security is that he lives in (laugh, but) the civilized world
asciilifeform: i don't know the author personally, no. he's just a blogger.
asciilifeform: it all exists, yes. and the folks who live there are almost qualified to graduate out of usa.
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asciilifeform not so foolish as to think about 'homogeneous enforcement environments', knows that there are, e.g., vast deserts in usa where folks set off trucks full of dynamite for amusement, etc.
asciilifeform: i mean, to keep the space for pleasure
ben_vulpes: which makes sense, coming from an inhabitant of the Forbidden City
asciilifeform: sounds very spiffy, but i notice ben_vulpes is referring to this business arrangement in the past tense
ben_vulpes: i grow to suspect that you see all of the ussa as a homogenous enforcement environment.
ben_vulpes: and the guy who ran the place had his own out-of-sight apartment that was rarely shown to other tenants
ben_vulpes: granted, we had to run it from the mains entry point *ourselves*
ben_vulpes: and yes, there was 3-phase.
ben_vulpes: people lived there yeah
asciilifeform: e.g., were you free to live in and legally receive mail there, if you wished ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: your warehouse had heat? 3-phase current? private apartment out of sight of other tenants ?
asciilifeform: but the workshop fella posted that to 'youtube' and was not afraid of being robbed. (however, long after, he since moved, to a larger space, iirc.)
ben_vulpes: subspace in busy warehouse, not much by way of rent or opportunities for theft.
ben_vulpes: what is different there? why no orcs or plunderers?
asciilifeform: but notice that the pictured workshop is not built into the man's home, presumably he is not present there 24/7.
ben_vulpes: out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.
thestringpuller: it's okay to shoot a nigga in the hood.
asciilifeform: perhaps if the tresspasser is white/anglo, it is overlooked.
ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too
asciilifeform: not much of a door, either
ben_vulpes: i did notice the door was unlocked.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one could get a similar space in some parts of usa, but it would be under 24/7 orc siege and security costs for parity with the pictured workshop would dwarf the rent
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the non-obvious tidbit in the film is that the man can afford those digs without being especially loaded
ben_vulpes: but uh normally the fab does not produce hipsters, no.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: D1X can do strange things to a man.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 06:06:39; mircea_popescu: ironically, irc was a big thing when i was a teen. then pretty much forgot about it. only rediscovered it in a frustrated attempt to make sense of the ever mounting idiocy that bitcoin appeared to be.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
thestringpuller: really would love to watch a Comedy show inspired by the work of ALF
ben_vulpes: i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head
asciilifeform: if anyone is confused about this mechanism, please say. because it is quite central to the whole thing.
asciilifeform: the act of toggling versions of libs breaks into these two things, headers (.h) and the libs themselves (for linker.)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see the vars set in build.sh; then look at the top of makefile.unix (bitcoind)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: limiting the conversation to gcc variants, the command line lib and include flags take precedence for search paths
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: study the example in 'portatronic'
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform: forgive my naivte, but what's the recommended approach to efficiently toggling between versions of libs for compiling cturds? in particular, ssl for bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: failure of imagination ^ here. more interestingly, we could, say, go on a 'disappearing' plane. or, more comically, turned out on the return leg: 'we've never heard of you, go and starve in mexico city where you came from'
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
adlai is a fan of dropping in a url and letting assbot do the heavy lifting
adlai: by that logic, world war iii is the 'war on drugs'
trinque: how many countries have to be fighting a war for the phrase "world war" to apply?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so << pretty much here already in the states
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ruling elite of his time/place showed every symptom of having 'lost the mandate of heaven', to use the chinese term of art tailor made for this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the historical picture in my head is incomplete, but i just can't grasp the portrait of orwell as cockless worm.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2014 17:33:21; asciilifeform: people don't seem to grasp the fact that the situation in 'shall be delivered' is as inevitable as that first street drunk who electrocuted himself in the 1870s (?)
mircea_popescu: is well... laughable. good luck wioth that, you only have one life and when that's finished there you go.
mircea_popescu: charlie going "i am willing to work with planes as long as either the light stays on or x or y"
mircea_popescu: and to "fuck you charlie, read or don't read but the light stays out"
asciilifeform: ialism. As it is, the aeroplane is primarily a thing for dropping bombs and the radio primarily a thing for whipping up nationalism. Even before the war there was enormously less contact between the peoples of the earth than there had been thirty years earlier, and education was perverted, history rewritten and freedom of thought suppressed to an extent undreamed of in earlier ages. And there is no sign whatever of these te
asciilifeform: 'Some months ago, in this column, I pointed out that modern scientific inventions have tended to prevent rather than increase international communication. This brought me several angry letters from readers, but none of them were able to show that what I had said was false. They merely retorted that if we had Socialism, the aeroplane, the radio, etc. would not be perverted to wrong uses. Very true, but then we haven’t Soc
mircea_popescu: the plane CHANGED their life. it didn't come about to make 1900 a more-1800-than-1800.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, by 1950 the vast majority of the utility of planes was dropping bombs on people's heads.
mircea_popescu: the generalexpectation being, that it will meld into people's lives as they are, making them more so.
mircea_popescu: when the airplane came about, everyone hailed it as a "great civilizing factor"
asciilifeform: but does this resolve to 'will work for them' ?
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, relish the notion of lasers-at-dawn
asciilifeform: if anything, they may (depending on inclinations) cower in feat of the inevitable laser pistol battles
adlai: if it's an unconscious expectation, then i'm not conscious of having it :)
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 20:09:21; mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
asciilifeform: the 'work self' thing i remember, but still find it bizarre
mircea_popescu: italians, as their states were disintegrating, called this spezzatura
mircea_popescu: however... not trying it, is the real performance.
mircea_popescu: ANYONE Could be an actual star/paratrooper/president if they actually tried.
asciilifeform: that's kinda how i pictured the narcissism working - you play 'paratrooper' and imagine that you are in fact a ww2 hero
mircea_popescu: game much more serious, because not being the work self, it actually therefore must be... THE REAL ME
asciilifeform: another matter entirely to lazily play game 'paratrooper'
mircea_popescu: adlai equally harder the smarter you get.
adlai: well you can catch yourself being stupid before you "open your mouth and remove all doubt", although i guess it's harder the stupider you get
asciilifeform: but from where comes the fear, when no one is looking and the maths are safely under your blanket in the cover of night ?
mircea_popescu: they know enough to steer away from those places where they can most easily be caught being stupid.
asciilifeform: into the skip, it goes.
asciilifeform: confirmed, netpgp uses openssl for the actual maths.
adlai: don't worry, i believe the same nonsense about my discovery
mircea_popescu: adlai i think pretty much the entirety of the problem stems from your outright bizarre expectation that bitcoin will somehow suit you. the correct approach is exactly the opposite : change yourself to suit exactly.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 18:14:06; jurov: so, let's do s.mpoe first then
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011857 << i'm interested in doing this, but it requires either collaboration with an mpex account holder, or the fabled coinbr api...
punkman: (been there since 1999)
punkman: speaking of baggage, there is a type of gpg packet that can cause an infinite loop in version 1.4.16 and before
mircea_popescu: the choice of screening assays employed. For this reason, investigators have developed specialized collection devices that enhance the level of antibodies, particularly IgG, in oral specimens, ensure sufficient specimen volume, and include reagents to prevent microbial growth and proteolytic breakdown of antibodies. In general, this has been accomplished by collecting oral fluids enriched in gingival crevicular fluid
mircea_popescu: "This is due, in part, to variations in the type and volume of oral sample collected, how the sample is handled prior to testing, the concentration of immunoglobulin (Ig) G present, and if testing methods have been modified to accommodate the use of oral fluids. In early studies that reported poor sensitivity, whole saliva was used and there was little consideration for the volume and condition of the sample needed and
asciilifeform is behind the times
mircea_popescu: logically, the antibodies are not often found where the virus is not often found. the human machine is still a machine, trying to be economical if possible.
asciilifeform: so concentrations of virus in fluid for the purpose of transmission - yes, extremely low to none
mircea_popescu: they are still large, and not particularly saliva bound.
asciilifeform: but for the antibodies.
mircea_popescu: at least it's my off the cuff math
mircea_popescu: your test will probably be in the double digit failure rate, which is laughable. i suspect it is impossible for chemodynamic reasons to make it single digit, which makes it impractical
mircea_popescu: at the size of the proteins involved, there's not really THAT many billion units in a saliva sample.
mircea_popescu: not by any means to the same degree.
mircea_popescu: half the claim in article.
asciilifeform: (see old thread on the subject)
asciilifeform: likewise, device requiring drops of blood is a nonstarter from the perspective of thermonuking the contagion.
asciilifeform: Cheap Smartphone Dongle Diagnoses HIV And Syphilis In 15 Minutes << sham. not in that the tech doesn't work (it does) but in that it is the ordinary single-shot immunoreactive test, but for some (chumpatronic) reason someone bolted it on to a pNohe.
adlai would rather not be liable for ancient sea creatures running off with your bit-gold. placing bad trades is another matter, but this is measurable with much more resolution than solvency
jurov: so, let's do s.mpoe first then
adlai: this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself
Dimsler: lol looks like mircea made it on reddit on the feminist board
pete_dushenski: the world doesn't revolve around me, i'm told
jurov: if it was extra asset with stipulation "if buttfinex fails, tough luck" then that's naother thing
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski to quote adlai above, as far as the young actors are concerned, "it'd take half the theatre to make it worth their while" :D
pete_dushenski: and i think my reservation lies mostly in the lack of commitment
pete_dushenski: for those interested, venus in fur is apparently playing pretty well everywhere these days
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski part of your disbelief also comes from you thinking in plain terms of d/s whereas the show seems to be thought more in terms of "a coupla switches get together".
adlai has lost money from garbage data spewed by finex's "trading engine" during extreme load... but he's also making >⅓% daily there, which has its charms
pete_dushenski: only to fall head over heels for a slightly more verbose version of the same thing
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu which is precisely what the male protagonist bemoans in the opening scene of the play
jurov: well, not all of them are based on reusing previously published gnarly code
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008292 << this works, low volume but still enough to profit. haven't tried paymium yet but volume there is still very low. what about buttfinex?
pete_dushenski: as if confidence didn't translate into the real world
pete_dushenski: having been written in the last decade, though, it's no huge surprise that venus in fur was timid at best
pete_dushenski: interesting idea and even some shining moments, but the script was out to post-post-modern lunch
adlai is one of the youngest folks around here, to his knowledge...
adlai: or 100% of the profit from using my own 10btc
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007145 << for it to be worth my time at this amount, i'd want half the profit.
mircea_popescu: rday's proved-to-the-hilt atrocity story can become a ridiculous lie, merely because the political landscape has changed."
mircea_popescu: f his own side, without ever bothering to examine the evidence. Recently I drew up a table of atrocities during the period between 1918 and the present; there was never a year when atrocities were not occurring somewhere or other, and there was hardly a single case when the Left and the Right believed in the same stories simultaneously. And stranger yet, at any moment the situation can suddenly reverse itself and yeste
mircea_popescu: "I have little direct evidence about the atrocities in the Spanish civil war. I know that some were committed by the Republicans, and far more (they are still continuing) by the Fascists. But what impressed me then, and has impressed me ever since, is that atrocities are believed in or disbelieved in solely on grounds of political predilection. Everyone believes in the atrocities of the enemy and disbelieves in those o
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 03:20:14; asciilifeform: let's rip out openssl in the simplest way
punkman: "It's not maintained by enough people, given how big it is, and it contains a lot of old cruft that should be gotten rid of. When it got re-engineered from version 1 to version 2, version 2 got re-engineered in this abstract way [so] that it's hard to figure out what's going on on the back end."
punkman: "Matt Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, said he has looked at the GnuPG source code and found it in such rough shape that he regularly assigns chunks of it to his students for review. At the end I ask how they felt about it and they all basically say: 'God, please I never want to do something like this again'"
mircea_popescu: oh i had the wrong talk :p
asciilifeform: punkman: my www is largely about these particular things.
punkman: I remember his "The Future of Programming" talk, made me sad
mircea_popescu: otherwise, absent one of 3, it's "normal"
mircea_popescu: bitcoin - error only counts if generated by the right software on the right hardware on the right data spot.
asciilifeform: i may never have sat down to play with it had the library not thrown out (yes) the only book on it therein.
mircea_popescu: but in any case - i'm perhaps the worst market for any language. sort-of like a grasshopper is no market for leather goods.
mircea_popescu: i don't write any c, either, or c++. i've never written either java or javascript. i sometimes to a little bash, and always to dig up natural language strings in natural language dialects. or otherwise mess the mup.
mircea_popescu: imagine me like a guy that has no poem to write. k ? so i don't write in italian. splendid language for the best of poems, and even for talking melodicly about the tv shows.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: nah, I'm writing something now for other reasons, will link when finished if you've not.