mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
decimation: I guess in the end it doesn't much matter
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?
ben_vulpes: ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a meta sense, the way we write had been a wot all along.
TheNewDeal: That was some of the finest erotica Ive ever perused
mircea_popescu: if you look at the link thrown around in here a coupla days ago when it was being discussed, has a bunch of bibliographical wankery i snipped.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the bozo went and chugged through most of my www in an effort to appear interested (it comically failed)
ben_vulpes: i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.
ben_vulpes: what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the way it looked, mr moarspam was sent here specifically for me. (why? ask him)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who was that pauper on your blogroll with the great eMacs text. Debate tournament judging text finally cleared and I'm ready to splurge on paytext.
ben_vulpes: by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?
bitcoinquestions: mircea_popescu: alright I'm on it, also you asked me what I thought of b-a before I got disconnected - it's a breath of fresh air from the mass stupidity
mircea_popescu: btw, someone edit that wiki page to reflect the assbot wotness ? who got perms ?
assbot: Shooting Assbot - The air ride group Wiki
mircea_popescu: people could buy/sell them.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i had a whole digg thing for the .ro market, ran on "credits", backed by paypal.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It does when your need to breach the border with your contraband in your breech
BingoBoingo: Just imagine a palm sized box with rs-232 and the entire 1980's inside
BingoBoingo: <jurov> lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across << Also this.
jurov: lol at 15nm process the die would prolly come out few micrometers across
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Mouser Sells Classic 6502 "Antique" Processor << If they cranked it to 1.5 GHz+ would be more excited
asciilifeform: then nm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i haven't / don't intend to because a) anyone who can grasp the abstraction already knows it ; b) anyone likely to benefit from the description probably can't read.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
cazalla: please just let me take solace in the one fucking thing my missus can do right
BingoBoingo: <IHB> i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality. << Not an unreasonable thing. Settlement happens on the blockchain small amounts dick around on distraction chain.
IHB: i would be happy just holding my bitcoin. but only if there was a way to get all this other stuff done, you know the stuff we call bloat
IHB: i can't weigh in with my opinion. i will leave up to you guys. my stomach tells me the blocksize should not be raised and if people want to do other stuff they can peg their btc to a sidechain, if that ever becomes reality.
mircea_popescu: and there's obviously no defense. valid txn will be relayed.
mircea_popescu: very cheap way to attack the gavincoin, too. 20-1 = 19, so then each day costs an extra
BingoBoingo: IHB: And the thing is it is a one time cost to the attacker to attack by committing bloat
mircea_popescu: if they end up being larger, it becomes more of an attack. if they're large enough, sure, you can deny usage of the network this way.
IHB: so if we don't have the cap it is possible for a miner to load blocks up with spam? and this in turn will weaken the network?
assbot: The New York Times urmeaza exemplul Trilema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNHvnR )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/the-new-york-times-urmeaza-exemplul-trilema/ << this is from back when nyt introduced their beta paywall.
BingoBoingo: I believe the 1mb limit was only put in out of fear to protect us from a potential attack. << Was explicitly put in place to make attacks by bloating the blockchain uneconomical
mircea_popescu: also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's.
mircea_popescu: as a general rule : strike out all paragraphs that contain the pronoun "I" see what's left.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/ has threatened to bring the house down and if he is successful, then so be it. << IHB you prolly want to link MPEx.co as the actor and particular trilema pieces justifying the MPEx position
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean me and eight other dudes get to vote on how to use gavin's wife.
mircea_popescu: sure, 9 out of 10 people enjoy themselves at any gangbang.
IHB: @petertoddbtc @trilema @oocBlog @BryceWeiner @JustusRanvier @fredwilson @balajis In regards to scalability and the perceived threat facing the bitcoin ecosystem I am still not convinced we have a problem here. Gavin has been talking about this for a little while now and it shouldn’t surprise anyone of us that he is publicly trying to get a proposal ready so the full nodes can vote on it. 1. If 80% of the full nodes v
cazalla: IHB, i mean, i gotta use 3 finger scrolls to get to the meat of it.. i don't even give the missus that much
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You ever try reading coinfire on Mobile? We're kicking their ass on pnoHe friendly layout nao
mircea_popescu: who keeps upping the tards.
BlueMeanie4: then somewhere between '13 and '14 they want batshit insane about all these other ideas
BlueMeanie4: its starting to become clear that the whole thing was a ponzi to begin with
TheNewDeal: I think gox falsely propped it up to the previous ath, not to say anything about a possibility of return to said prices
BlueMeanie4: so who thinks bitcoin is going to crash further?
nanotube: yea not quite the full fancypants xml-wot from the ideal world, but this will go most of the way and be much more likely to actually happen.
BlueMeanie4: what are the prices for that
mircea_popescu: http://sexylosers.com/228.html << this might be the most obscene thing i've seen this year.
BingoBoingo: Another drug related mega lol http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/suboxone_could_help_heroin_addicts.html << Suboxone is not merely buprenorphine, also impregnated with naloxone in indigestible shell to prevent crushing
BingoBoingo: How phundation handles the different Openssl libraries nao https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/f19dded6e4bf6b5a345de899863310281846eb61
asciilifeform: sic transit gloria spam-mundi then
mircea_popescu: and the LAST thing she's looking for tuesday mornings is seeing her name on my blog in that context.
mircea_popescu: ie, less effecvtual than the tardstalk forum police.
mircea_popescu: rural policeman reported the attempted bribe by some guy that cut 1.7 cubic meters of wood illegally.
mircea_popescu: i know they don't, but that is quite besides the point innit ? http://www.dgipi.ro/articole/articol.php?idarticol=1233 << this is their latest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu also knows that they give a damn ?
mircea_popescu: i don't infer they didn't.
mircea_popescu: i know they didn't know.
mircea_popescu: as they DIDNT know.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the so called "Departamentul de Informaţii şi Protecţie Internă" ie, informations & internal protection dept is the biggest loser here.
asciilifeform: from the story told thus far - what else.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point here being : we investigate too.
asciilifeform: the latter
asciilifeform: or was the pw 'we are orcs'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Perhaps, but it would be very un-USG of the era to not be running trials in parallel with minimal disclosure
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, much of the meth toxixity literature is from 1940's and 1950's when it was prefered USG go pill before being replaced by gentler amphetamines
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run << afaik no one has conclusively shown that it's the methyl rather than the sleeping-once-a-week, rotgut booze, and vd
BingoBoingo: "This dilemma is particularly strong for researchers in the areas of operating systems and networking, two areas in which Windows NT is considered to be especially weak. With DARPA project lifetimes typically in the two- or three-year range, PIs must swallow hard before agreeing to take two giant steps back in order to begin their research on a Windows NT technology base."
BingoBoingo: ardware operating systems for naïve users. The reason, however, is irrelevant, because the fact remains that users are using Windows."
BingoBoingo: "For all intents and purposes, it is reasonable to assume that all of DARPAs customers already use computers in their work. Furthermore, they have been using computers for years. They have developed their own procedures and policies that are not conveniently switched to a different operating environment at the drop of a hat. And they are all using Windows. They are all using Windows because it is the superior choice for Intel-h
BingoBoingo: As to why ritalin is not an amphetamine, simply compare its picture to the ones asciilifeform posted https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylphenidate#mediaviewer/File:Methylphenidate-2D-skeletal.svg
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc. << Methyl group makes it have a greater affinity for particular subsets of norepinephrine and dopamine receptors. For some reason the methyl group makes it more toxic to neurons in the long run
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << SOrry thought you said Ritalin. Adderal is a racemic mixture of Levo and Dex amphetamines. The levo reduces the "abuse potential"
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> no adderall is pretty much meth << Not even a proper amphetamine
mircea_popescu: you know, somebody should do this as a service. comic strip summarizer. watch them all, pick the i dunno, 1% worth a chuchle.
mircea_popescu: Naphex timisoara deliveries are... ONE HOUR. i lulzed my ass off at them.
Naphex: bitcoinquestions: so where do you get the money from?
bitcoinquestions: yeah that's the point
mircea_popescu: this is riotously funny. so how does b-a look to the mit cs/econ (?!) undegrad doing a pizzforpusha startup ?
bitcoinquestions: i will be very happy if we get to the point where amazon cares about suing us
asciilifeform: what of the startup? what's it do
bitcoinquestions: asciilifeform: sure, I'm an MIT dropout (or well taking time off at least) doing my own startup and collecting bitcoins along the way instead of paying tuition. I heard about b-a in an article in the nakamotoinstitute
bitcoinquestions: but I'm guessing your article just dives deeper into the same thing I just said right?
thestringpuller: i reference the attack in my article bitcoinquestions
gribble: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/>; After Survery Vessenes' Foundation "Pivots" | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/after-survery-vessenes-foundation-pivots/>; asciilifeform | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/author/asciilifeform/>
bitcoinquestions: If the blockchain were to fork into 2 chains. 1 chain where the blocksize limit was the Gavin scam and 1 chain where it was kept at 1MB, can't everyone just profit by selling their coins on the scam chain and rebuying back the coins on the old chain?
thestringpuller: They don't matter in that context. Ever.
thestringpuller: Given we know 1% own 99% of the wealth
mircea_popescu: i definiely need their vote to be happy, and if being rich were allowed (it isn't) then DEFINITELY the only way to get rich is to sell fifty billion fucktards stuff for a quarter each.
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, reddit doesn't JUST think bitcoin is democracy. everything is democracy. according to redditard lore, i need their vote to get laid.
thestringpuller: "Remember student council, and individuals running for student office. It was a popularity contest right? Well did those elected have any real power other than in name?"
thestringpuller: d00d the pseudo argument of "Bitcoin is a democracy" is starting to irritate me
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to zap anyone.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if lizardhitler picked the currently usg-'blessed' varieties of dope to zap folks prior to reproductive age, he needs to fire his chemist
taub: i just never botherd
cazalla: thestringpuller, reminds me.. you seen that video of the black kid in the arcade who actually looks like he is on drugs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee8-wRHCCg4
asciilifeform: i.e. the 'before and after' faces found in various usg propaganda depict people who not only took $dopeoftheday but were perpetually pickled, smoked everything and anything that burns, contracted every known vd, etc.
taub: when you take your adderall like prescribed by the doctor, i think its a pretty safe drug tho
mircea_popescu: what else ? shoot them ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness : the only practical way to reduce the 7-8 bn to the more sane lower tens of millions is this.
thestringpuller: The whole bart simpson era of "troublemakers" which I really don't understand since most of them do coke to work their 80 hour a week jobs.
thestringpuller: Did the feds think, "You know who is doing drugs these days, kids in the arcades with no parental supervision."
asciilifeform: i'll let BingoBoingo explain how one has faster blood-brain penetration than other, lipid solubility, etc.
TheNewDeal: Its the dumbed down version
asciilifeform still thinks it's reddit, not the dope, that gives us the 'nobody born after '90 is worth talking to' situation.
cjc: eh, oddly enough -- once my friends from high school started having kids and telling me how the doctors wanted to pump them up with pills as soon as they were school age..
mircea_popescu: otherwise local druglord' be all "hey kid, want some drugs ?" and you'd be "huh ?"
cazalla: always found it bizarre "winners don't use drugs" would appear in the arcade games i played here, didn't even know what drugs were at the time
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, there's a bitcoin kink group. 90 guys of which 50% over 50, 10 gals, of which half from thailand.
cjc: When you describe the black sponge cake from scratch... it sounds like you have happy and well kept slaves.
TheNewDeal: Deserts not a bad meal either
cjc: dessert, rather?
cjc: No reason for asking other than salutations.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, fine. why ?
asciilifeform: think this way, the moving charge in the superconductor is analogous to the motions of other bodies which do no 'work' in the thermodynamic sense
mircea_popescu: don';t bust the dream. mebbe 2nd law is repealed :D
mircea_popescu: if only there was semiconductor
cazalla: i'd just as soon throw it in the bin but.. missus demands to keep it for some reason despite the fact it will eventually go into the bin yet take up freezer room for fucking years to come
mircea_popescu: sawed it right off. then this guy was about to kill the driver while waitig for ambulance
cazalla: funny you mention that, a slice and the topper of son's first birthday cake is in the freezer.. will remain there for god knows how long
cazalla: while i sit here and eat the carrot cake i made last night and enjoy a cuppa, you know what would be really good? a cake tin that bakes slices of cake so that every slice is an end bit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: SOP in chinese crap. but traditionally there is a blob of black epoxy over them. in this case - starvation-cheap, omitted the epoxy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm just wondering why they included the bare silicon die sitting atop solder balls. I know their goal is "cheap" but it seems like they crossed over into "cheap"
mircea_popescu: you know, the entire point of the "hypocrisy" of civilisation, and the accumulated pile of ridiculous, wrong and stupid
mircea_popescu: just, it pulsates around a different pole these days is all.
mircea_popescu: well yes. an anal ring is, the usual cellular chemistry, and biodynamics.
asciilifeform: all i can see (with admittedly untrained eye) is the usual daily anthill
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, frantic activity is not just a cover-up for impotence. it is also the first step towards acceptance.
thestringpuller: The idea is not to prevent bitcoin but to empower it."
thestringpuller: "No, Gavin said this can still run on a normal internet connection. Other alt-coin have "master node" and all that crap. Nobody force anyone to be a full node, and nobody that is currently running a full node is complaining.
mircea_popescu: there's little funnier than watching the socialist/libertard lot coming to terms with the notiopn that their collective anal rings are gripping on my cock whenever i feel like.
thestringpuller: "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier
thestringpuller: just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit
thestringpuller: i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"
mircea_popescu: practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"
pete_dushenski: lol this cult is the best choir though
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something.
asciilifeform: the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak.
pete_dushenski: "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"
mircea_popescu: so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.
mircea_popescu: you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.
asciilifeform: (to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.
mircea_popescu: dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.
asciilifeform: foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow.
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes, and 1 second ago: <PeterL> My wife's bike was once stolen out of our garage ... whoever took it left their bike sitting in our yard. It was the weirdest thing.
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/germany-austrias-project-bitcrime/ ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore
asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word.
mircea_popescu: well, so you can have them post-usg
mircea_popescu: hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.
asciilifeform: the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design.
asciilifeform: i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg.
asciilifeform: 'dog in the manger'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources
asciilifeform: somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user.
asciilifeform: the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.
asciilifeform: by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc.
pete_dushenski: latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to
asciilifeform: instantly - msdos and then winblows
asciilifeform: when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard
asciilifeform: there is also a parallel, historical explanation
mircea_popescu: odd that foss got a lot further in latin america.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.
asciilifeform: because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software
asciilifeform: why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread.
asciilifeform: as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace.
mircea_popescu: ie, that's the best that can be had.
asciilifeform: the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima'
pete_dushenski: turtle swimming through the stars...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs
pete_dushenski: just my reading between the lines
mircea_popescu: but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.
pete_dushenski: and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"
mircea_popescu: why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.
mircea_popescu: so then sit in your locale and be happy
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: because the hero is not yet born.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one.
mircea_popescu: after all, "the net effect is same"
asciilifeform: but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it
mircea_popescu: moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"
asciilifeform: not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing
pete_dushenski: not like ilfak is lobbying the state
asciilifeform: 'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider
mircea_popescu: this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.
mircea_popescu: THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.
asciilifeform: it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots
mircea_popescu: well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.
asciilifeform: (he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!)
asciilifeform: best theory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?
asciilifeform: moar like 'it is not possible that the burst of suction came at just the ideally convenient time, direction, and vacuum pressure.'
mircea_popescu: "it is not possible we just simply suck. our excellent goodness is hidden somewhere. if we coud just unleash the real we..."
mircea_popescu: "the good tzar"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to this day there are rumours that the food was 'hidden somewhere' by usg stooges to cause shortages.
mircea_popescu: it has the look.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the vid is actually quite credible.
pete_dushenski: oh and another scoop from yesterday: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/08/this-is-how-it-feels/
pete_dushenski: "of course the usd was going to vanish!"
pete_dushenski: and wikitardia is saying that aa was part of the "big five"