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hanbot: <mircea_popescu> to get a 45% result you need to include the phrase "not that there's anything wrong with that" / ftfy
asciilifeform: that massaged them for surrender for half a century.
mircea_popescu: no, they surrendered to the best wot to be had at the time.
asciilifeform: they surrendered to the one and only mega-empire of the period.
mircea_popescu: why would the us surrender to china.
asciilifeform: there's no usg wot tho << closest thing to a format usg wot may be the infamous 'plum book'
mircea_popescu: there's no usg wot tho, is the problem.
decimation: mircea_popescu: even judges want to feel like they are in the usg wot
assbot: Gavin and the CIA : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zNE79Z )
mircea_popescu: hanbot: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vjzk7/gavin_and_the_cia/ << reddit suppression brigade hard at work. cause keeping the sheep in the dark is a winning strat now. << to get a 45% result you need something like 20 votes cast, 11-9 unless my math's deceiving me.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 17:34:08; ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
mircea_popescu: "i bet you mp wouldn't say the USG gets to make classified filings"
mircea_popescu: the logical segue is, "well it's a LOT better to publish the stuff on the internet than to submit it to a court"
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2015 15:54:47; asciilifeform: 'Based on the public record, the Court finds that the Plaintiffs have failed to establish a sufficient factual basis to find they have standing to sue under the Fourth Amendment regarding the possible interception of their Internet communications. Further, having reviewed the Government Defendants’ classified submissions, the Court finds that the Claim must be dismissed because even if Plaintiffs coul
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2015#1015762 << this is lulzy. what it essentially says is, "this court will not protect the defendant's rights"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems.
mircea_popescu: for the record it's /mode #bitcoin-assets -b *!*zip55413@pdpc/supporter/bronze/kermit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: if every male in usa had been secretly wanking to chicom gurlz under his blankets since... 1920s? - then we'd have an analogous thing going
mircea_popescu: the romanian folklore has the exact discussion of this behaviour, as folklore.
mircea_popescu: even the people who could readily realise it'd be them, didn't care.
mircea_popescu: so that's not a major driver of the behaviour.
mircea_popescu: this was a major propaganda point (soviet propaganda had the unique distinction of actually being mostly true). nobody cared.
decimation: eh, as long as everyone in the us has a full belly nothing is going to change
mircea_popescu: the guy who has to choose between "VC shot" and "WoT"
mircea_popescu: it wasn't the man in the street. it was EXACTLY the famished student.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the "man in the street" in russia STILL has batyushka portraits!
asciilifeform: and as far as 'man on the street' in usa is concerned - the opposite of usg is 'mad max'.
mircea_popescu: necessity is the mother of invention. and also, stupidity.
asciilifeform: decimation: mr mold had enough brains to understand that his entire edifice falls apart without the answer to this riddle, but was unable to come up with a plausible one
mircea_popescu: the matches are numerous.
decimation: moldbug had a piece on this, then tried to invent some 'tarded 'antiversity' thing
mircea_popescu: they did it on hearsay. right ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most importantly : note that at the time they surrendered en masse, less than 1% of 1% had BEEN THERE
mircea_popescu: so yes, the reagent is there.
asciilifeform: that it is true is about the same kind of 'secret' as the 'missing $maxint'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as they see it, because fucktarded politburo is poisonng gender relaitons.
asciilifeform: (in usa they have secondary anti-handling detonators)
asciilifeform: because they never learned to safely unscrew the detonator ?
mircea_popescu: for one thing, women are easier than ever. and they're mostly affraid of them. why ?
asciilifeform: they're drooling over fast car, easy women, etc. - not wot
mircea_popescu: how they call it is irrelevant. note what they substantiall say.
mircea_popescu: notice what they express.
mircea_popescu: do the experiment yourself. ask peopel what the ideal world is.
asciilifeform: i mean, in the lands of barbarism
asciilifeform: (a largely imagined animal, you pretty much have to have been there to grok this)
mircea_popescu: well... certainly no the 1920-1970 continuum
asciilifeform: to the 'human' (vs 'orc') world where they 'know how to live'
mircea_popescu: to "the world"
mircea_popescu: it wasn';t the levy's, not at all.
mircea_popescu: everybody drooled over THE WOT.
asciilifeform: everybody who drooled over the 'levis'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it was centered on the aspirational class. as typified by gorby.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what triggered me was the 8chan pic. seeing how
asciilifeform: surrender of ussr wasn't the least bit centered on the brass
mircea_popescu: as i have told them to do already.
mircea_popescu: the us can surrender to the most serene republic
asciilifeform: but the illusion was convincing enough
asciilifeform: and they eagerly did.
mircea_popescu: why didn't the politburo just corvee it out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but if your corvee theory is correct, why exactly was it that one could buy rusting cccp subs on the open market in 1991 ?
asciilifeform neither expert nor has access to the proper intel, however
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asciilifeform: decimation: but they have an understanding with the specialist guilds.
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm not so sure about that. the folks you mention are not exactly used to physically compelling people to get what they want
asciilifeform: if tomorrow these things are not procurable with usd, they will be procured using direct corvee
asciilifeform: the money - is a proxy
asciilifeform: decimation: only the flow of the yachts, hookers, coke
asciilifeform: decimation: they don't give a fuck re: the flow of money
mircea_popescu: "Guy exposed a cabal of users taking over reddit yesterday, spawned a watchdog subreddit of 2500 subscribers overnight, was then banned by reddit's admins, all the subreddit's mods then banned, admins won't say why, and now they're handing the subreddit to the corrupt cabal of users who were exposed."
decimation: worrying about the flow of this money is the business of those folks in potomac
asciilifeform: the rest of us don't particularly care where the aethereum goes, as mircea_popescu put it
asciilifeform: to the folks paid to give a fuck - yes
mircea_popescu: because crediblity in the state media is desirable now.
asciilifeform: (either one is meant to conclude that the figure is wildly implausible - or - realize that patients are not walking off with 2m each, and therefore xxx, and xxx is not a subject that can be discussed publicly in usa while retaining credibility in the state media)
mircea_popescu: them redheaded hussies!
mircea_popescu: them redheaded
mircea_popescu: assbot: The Lesbian Jewish Leftist Conspiracy Tearing Reddit Apart, Untangled << this i meant.
mircea_popescu: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!" << ahahaha epic.
decimation: "The amount[of medicaid fraud], just in New York, is estimated by Issa’s committee to be in excess of $15 billion, equivalent to $1.9 million per patient per year!"
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mircea_popescu: would you / me / qntra / anyone give a shit about how many ether coins were "Stolen" ?
mircea_popescu: it's the simple knowledge that the usd is just a scam altcoin anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not the abundance that makes them not news worthy.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat << funny how that works, in retrospect huh.
asciilifeform: the $maxints that simply vanish into the mountain of paper, where a missing $bil in the balance sheets isn't even interesting to the accountants - to the extent the sums represent real, vs. imaginary buying power -
decimation: everyone else in wash dc is just the help
decimation: yeah, they are closest to the money that spews forth from usg
asciilifeform: the actual slurping black hole at the center of usgalaxy.
asciilifeform: -this- is where the usg budget actually goes.
asciilifeform: cutting straight to the chase - the folks at the management layer of all of these bezzlatrons are kept in mansions, boats, 'hookerz and blow', expensive lawyering, investatron fuel rods, etc.
decimation: someone has to 'provide' the muscle, buildings, etc in all those third world countries usg mucks with
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=potomac | The "Darkhorse" of rich American towns, Potomac is, based on per capita income , the richest community in the Country. While it is often believed that Greenwich ...
asciilifeform: decimation: virtually none of the real 'winners' are on civil service payroll
decimation: lobbyists, lawyers, contractors who 'bill' usg for their services
decimation: asciilifeform: yes but most of those 'usg employees' are not actually on the official payroll
decimation: as I recall mike tyson had a mansion there, had real tigers
asciilifeform: the mega-bezzle isn't simply buying carriers, it's buying countless yachts, mcmansions, etc
mircea_popescu: much like the russian leftovers.
mircea_popescu: the thing is, a destroyer "cost" a coupla bil, and will sell for what, 10-20k btc.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between "keeping boat afloat" and "correctly filing form GX-22"
asciilifeform: if you want to see usg spending, visit the 'potomac' quarter of d.c. area, for example
mircea_popescu: the other 50% is spent on imaginary things that meet no pactical verification
mircea_popescu: decimation but it's about 50% of the spending that actually does something, you see.
asciilifeform: but it would be grand to see old 'movers and shakers' of usg row until the end of their days.
decimation: actually the carriers and the entire dod welfare parade is only about 17% of the total usg spending
mircea_popescu: take it to venezuela and bombard the capital.
asciilifeform: slaves to crew the boat, pull the hydrocarbons out of the ground, everything in between.
mircea_popescu: only provided they're allowed to roll debt.
mircea_popescu: the incas carried out considerably longer on that principally because they weren't trying to keep carriers afloat.
asciilifeform: will chug on until the conquistadores show up.
asciilifeform: the incas carried on considerably longer than that...
PeterL: at that point they will need to speed up the presses and hyperinflate out of debt
decimation: the fed will just print more bezzlars and loan them at whatever rate is our choosing
mircea_popescu: sure, it's not a problem. but there's no paying for anything either.
decimation: liberals think now, they would say 'that's not a problem'
mircea_popescu: does that include the belgium trololol ?
decimation: well, the way all the 'smart
mircea_popescu: yes, but it's a fairly major player in the financial markets.
mircea_popescu: if the chinese go 8% or fuck you, that's the end of paying. for anything.
mircea_popescu: the entire non-"government shutdown" is predicated on rolling debt at 0.2% or less.
mircea_popescu: decimation if the chinese shock the market (putting obama in the position of putin), they won't have what to pay for limo gasoline with.
asciilifeform: decimation: they're working on a smooth transition to straight inca mode
decimation: now, the problem that usg has is that in 30 years, they might not be able to pay for missiles or soldiers
mircea_popescu: let the social studies experts rot in tokyo
mircea_popescu: but that's "why" : let the engineers move to st petersburg.
decimation: I don't think china has the balls to start a missile war with usg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would not take either.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda close to them
mircea_popescu: i wonder, which way they;'d go.
decimation: nah, the prc doesn't really have a blue water navy
mircea_popescu: if they do that russia can simply move into poland. or japan.
mircea_popescu: and about 50 to 70% of the rest of the fleet ?
decimation: of course, if they are too poor to pay anyone...
mircea_popescu: lose 6 of the 10 aircraft carriers ?
decimation: I don't think the us military would give up hawaii without an actual war
asciilifeform: another factor is that the 'middle kingdom' has yet to invent the modern military golden toilet.
mircea_popescu: decimation if they're going to be a bitch they might as well suck the shorter, better paying cock.
mircea_popescu: ask anyone working for military tech, they'll tell you 2/3 to 90% of the chinese performance is due to "Stable financing"
decimation: if they became 'independent' they would just become someone else's bitch
decimation: hilariously, the actual hawaiian islands are 100% dependent on usg military, etc for income
mircea_popescu: decimation they could get it next year if they cared enough.
decimation: well, if they have the patience to wait 100 years they might get it
PeterL: decimation: next bombing of Pearl Harbor comes from the east?
decimation: there has been 'debate' for years on whether the 'native hawaiians (korean slaves)' should be considered 'indians' and given bezzlars
mircea_popescu: you know they want it. you know they could actually get it.
decimation: speaking of predictions: I predict that hawaiians will be considered 'official indians' and be put on the bezzle dole http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/china-threatens-arm-hawaii-separatists-who-want-ki/
asciilifeform: as written in n. barber's 'the sultans' and other classics
mircea_popescu: the traditionally highest priced white chicks in arab slave markets
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you call these people in english anyway ?
PeterL: mircea_popescu: but this sentiment is not reflected in the US press
mircea_popescu: PeterL this would be the general sentiment.
asciilifeform has blood relations there, ditto
PeterL: I have a friend from Crimea, he still has family there, says they are all grateful to Putin for saving them from the fate of the rest of Ukraine
asciilifeform: kiev 'idea' was 'let's shell'em a bit and they'll pack up to ru, then we get cities, factories that we had no part in building, gratis, free of ru speakers, we can settle in our west ua orcs'
mircea_popescu: perhaps because of all the derpage about "women slave markets in the middle east"
mircea_popescu: i dunno dude, i seem to have missed the 500 headlines a day about how kiev is atrocious.
asciilifeform: anyone who gives a fuck can get a live video feed of the 'fun'
mircea_popescu: but somehow the us propaganda machine seems to have never heard of this.
asciilifeform: via shellings, rather than gasenwagen, but quite deliberately
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know. i'm the one with the intel.
mircea_popescu: it's like the loser husband with a smal penis - always beats the wife.
mircea_popescu: i have never known of a militaristic regime that was frustrated in the field / widely inept military that didn't start massacring civillians.
mircea_popescu: this is my ukrainian prediction : that before the decade is out a) kiev will be widely reported to have run atrocious concentration camps and b) the us/nato will be misrepresenting themselves as "against this" and russia as somehow related to it.
mircea_popescu: PeterL not those rebels, the other rebels. the derps in kiev.
PeterL: in Ukraine the rebels are terrists
mircea_popescu: i can almost feel this coming, you know, by 2018 it will be "these ukrainian rebels that did ATROCITIES!!! that russia invented!"
asciilifeform: aha just like the friendly mujahedeen
PeterL: now they are saying that the friendly syrian rebels are different from ISIS
mircea_popescu: once they start gasing people ?
asciilifeform: the usual afghani switcheroo.
mircea_popescu: so what about the ukraine rebels ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't the party line that isis is really friendly ?
asciilifeform: decimation: it belongs in roughly the same circus of lulz as, e.g., microshit's offer of 50-100k usd for 0days that are each worth a million pwned boxes, and the like.
Adlai: disclaimer: ideas produced on or around 4:20 are to be considered as highdeas, regardless of the author's actual mental state (in this case, drunk)
asciilifeform: ^ amusement but not as author meant. 10btc is a laughable bounty for the problem posed.
decimation: the shitgomes at google and facebook manage to 'sync' your account across many machines without revealing your ip to anybody
decimation: only the endpoint server to which you are connected has any business knowing your ip
decimation: in this way, the docsis design is at least a clean sheet without layers of 'channelized data' thinking
decimation: there's plenty of shitgnomery in telco deployments
asciilifeform: may as well also be said about tcp over lan, where no packet ought to ever drop unless the place is on fire...
decimation: I'm pretty sure "internet disconnected" meant that the pppoe session was down
decimation: no it was disconnected at the modem
decimation: re: ddos < last night I noticed my internet had been taken offline by ISP, and I wonder if somehow the ddos'er can hack cloaks
decimation: asciilifeform: I second request for the likbez, would be useful to link
PeterL: I like the imagery
asciilifeform: the suction cup fish.
asciilifeform: yes, them.
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PeterL: maybe if kicked then assbot also bans for n minutes? (n=30?)
asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline.
asciilifeform: exempt folks in wot, these must face actual judgement of their peers
danielpbarron: or maybe the reverse; assbot autobans, and if it was a mistake someone can !unban
asciilifeform: (assuming it wasn't already somewhere down on the list)
asciilifeform: just putting the concept on kako's radar.
PeterL: so you are suggesting putting in a join/part cap autoban now, to stop potental attacks in the future?
PeterL: I guess it would be different with a concered attack rather than one idiot with a bad connection
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 02:58:05; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, cazalla, other writery folks: anybody up for writing a basic likbez for the 'unified theory' of amplification attack as it applies not only to boring ddos but to gavincoin and in general to any system where some bozo can inflict cost C on you by spending c where c < C
danielpbarron: hey that was a different quit message; i think he got the message
danielpbarron: it's the same message over and over so it should compress well :p
asciilifeform: as it is, it's one of the silent remoras that may just as well be the ddosbot
PeterL: I feel like I need an explanation, wth are they doing?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 454.36058 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 98962.6777544 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0182 seconds
cazalla: TheNewDeal, coinbr
cazalla: but if anyone meets the criteria, there are more than enough bids on s.qntr to make it worth your while, bingoboingo and i can't cover every single one so there is room
danielpbarron: and reading (the logs)
PeterL: the drink forces its way down your throat?
cazalla: thestringpuller, you're so mean :\ i should negrate you for victim blaming, it's not my fault i drink to excess
gribble: The operation succeeded.
PeterL: the level of competition is not hard to surpass
trinque: or will the thing eventually step forward
mike_c: oh, and thanks for the link!
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trinque: thestringpuller: haha!
trinque: there's a whole universe out there to piss on and claim as one's own
trinque: the Elon Musks
trinque: or rather, the ones that do lack real power
trinque: seems like the modern powerful lack any imagination
BingoBoingo: The Enclave and the BoS seemed to do pretty well for a while.
trinque: maybe when drunk on that much power the only thing that'll really get you off is risking it all
cazalla: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/ lol @ USGavin pumping satoshi for his dox straight off the bat
PeterL: It's all a ploy to get more tax dollars funneled into the military-industrial complex.
BingoBoingo: Well the important thing is all three are forced by their interests to stay in a constant state of tension
trinque: seems one could stage something that'd pit the other two against each other
BingoBoingo: trinque: I dunno. It seems at the moment the most beautiful thing in the world is the constant three way tension between USia, Russia, and Chinasia
trinque: they must just be convinced that 1) that could *never* happen 2) if it happened we'd win
trinque: BingoBoingo: I suppose of the goal is an eventual war
BingoBoingo: trinque: They prolly just wedged a stick in there hoping it hold the course
trinque: well, someone must be making the decision to shove military bases up russia's ass
trinque: BingoBoingo: doesn't seem at all that there is
BingoBoingo: trinque: No one's at the "helm"
trinque: the thing must just be rotten throughout and falling to corruption on all sides
trinque: who the fuck is at the helm of the usgov
trinque: so another war eh?
danielpbarron: "i am become death...the destroyer of purrs" << LOL
trinque: hegemoOn: hey, let the poles be on the giving side of hegemony for once
BingoBoingo: hegemoOn: Puppies. Or animals with legs too short for their bodies generally.
hegemoOn: At first it was hegemon, but as there wasn't nickserv back in the time on ircnet, a polish guy used to sqat it, so i decided to add an 'O' and since then, never changed back
BingoBoingo: Ah, I read that as Hedgemon at first. Hedgemon is my favorite cock fighting simulator from the late 1990's. Gotta Oppress then All, Hedgemon!.
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for BingoBoingo from 2 to 3 with note: I get along well with this guy; very knowledgeable and serious.
mircea_popescu: how about the security measure of DO NOT USE A PROPRIETARY DEVICE.
mircea_popescu: heh busting out of appos jail is like... the easiest thing.
mircea_popescu: "I don't know what to think, really. I have AppOps active on my phone, apps are forced to request access to whatever resource they want to use... clearly none of my security measures helped."
mircea_popescu: jurov: i'm curious what will come out of this << lol the defense mechanisms of these people.
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