thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this article is gold. Dave Baggett elaborated more in the comments.
asciilifeform: more valuable than any particular microscope, even the rarest, is the -idea- of a microscope
thestringpuller: "this ruins the microscope"
asciilifeform: you can see the results in museum
asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling'
thestringpuller: the PS2's C++ interface was...not fun...
thestringpuller: i see. i just found it amusing game developers would rather not write C++ at all
asciilifeform: i, for one, didn't fully grasp the difference until i heard that charlatan (baggett) speak
asciilifeform: which is entirely not the same thing as a product developed and shipped in a standardized, adult common lisp system (what naggum earned his bread with)
asciilifeform: also note that that outfit, like many others (yes, it isn't in 'nyt', but still existed) wrote a miniature 'college' lisp-flavoured scripting language inside their normal runtime
thestringpuller: this is why Naughty Dog builds the object layer in LISP
asciilifeform: the language 'naked' is entirely unusable
asciilifeform: is still there.
asciilifeform: my brother, for example, had one
asciilifeform: talk to a game dev who was active in the '90s
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender << this, especially.
asciilifeform: you can't really pull out 'boost' and retain the naked-eye-plus-patch-util sense of 'this is visibly bitcoind pre-$10-per but with minor changes' thing
thestringpuller: i kno rite? funny how these kidz praise satoshi's "code know-how" yet all these things...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if you're gonna go to that level of mutilation, may as well abandon the pedigreed-descent-from-0.5.3 thing and go for rewrite
thestringpuller: moar frankensteinian would be ripping out Boost completely, not that that is feasible (but neither was reanimating the dead)
asciilifeform: less said about these, better sleep at night, l0l
thestringpuller: the splitting image of Dr. Moreau! :D
asciilifeform: especially ones i fished out of the sewers in a hurry, for purposes of experiment.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: in general, i'm opposed to patching in gavinisms of any description
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's correct
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: the idiot crashy one ('classic', with memleak) or the one with questionable patch ('orphanage burner') ?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the chick's clever enough to have done this deliberately.
mircea_popescu: i mostly quoted it for the sudden turn towards "breaking out of shells"
hanbot: please tell me the response is "i'd put on my robe and wizard hat"
mircea_popescu: then and I'm curious how you would go about breaking me out of my shell?"
mircea_popescu: "I'm an 18 year old currently in my first semester of college at UNM (Studying medicine). All my life I've been a very good girl, pro-feminist all my life, I was in the girl scouts growing up, I got straight As, I don't drink or go out to parties. I found your tumblr the other week and at first I was offended, I don't see how any woman would subject herself to such treatment. I've visited your page multiple times since
asciilifeform: as in, there is not a 'free world' si fab.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see the problem from the perspective in which it actually -is- a problem: not that a billion people own computer that is not a computer (nowhere is it written that we have to care about this) but in the elementary lack of a practical alternative.
mircea_popescu: fuck, ten billion boxes are pretty much permanent thralls to the first taker on the grounds that there's more holes than fixes.
asciilifeform: interestingly, intel and microshit have been salivating for a decaee+ over the concept of a cpu that runs not merely mandatorily-signed but encrypted code (to internal key)
mircea_popescu: the point is not saving some vague and uninteresting group.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: hijack all the ships.
mircea_popescu: well no, the idea is, most of the state effort consists of effort that really helps the republic.
mircea_popescu: in a sense, so far they're really cutting out our rouad for us.
mircea_popescu: course, the measure will backfire,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bullshit bios problem is actually quite serious
asciilifeform: 'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way.
asciilifeform: (those who believe that it does not matter what is in the bios so long as you can boot your favourite unix, are mistaken. not only can bios diddle your drives pre-boot, but it isn't even necessary - routines like smm handler run continuously, outside of os)
asciilifeform: ^ the 'won't boot anything not signed by key in antifuse rom' thing - finally arrived.
asciilifeform: rs possibly to be exactly that. Whether that is the case is what I want to find out."'
asciilifeform: 'Other Emacs stakeholders responded with confusion how this could be "a systematic effort to attack GNU packages" and also raised points on how Emacs has support for Microsoft Windows and OS X but wouldn't consider a basic patch for enabling the LLDB debugger to be used. Stallman followed up to say, "These are not similar cases. Neither Windows nor MacOS was intended to push major GNU packages out of use. What I see here appea
assbot: RMS Feels There's "A Systematic Effort To Attack GNU Packages" - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JIxb )
asciilifeform: incidentally, folks recommending freebsd as an escape should remember that it's been colonized: gcc is no longer installed by default there, nor are system bins built with it
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 17:21:36; asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.)
asciilifeform: chetty: there is a specific, highly-ritualized architectural style:
asciilifeform had a colleague once who -did- go, by making wrong turn in traffic, and -did- end up 'a big delay to others' as he was frog-marched into a guardpost and searched
asciilifeform: 'If you're invited to the NSA, pay careful attention to the instructions given. If you do not, you will be a big delay to others. If you're not invited to the NSA, please do not go, unless you want to see the Cryptology museum, which is a fascinating place.'
asciilifeform: 'The parking lots are very large and crowded. It is hard to find a spot, even working the night shift. I think Obama should invest in a parking garage. It is a bit creepy inside the buildings, too.'
asciilifeform: knew about it for a decade, but somehow can't bring myself to set foot there
asciilifeform: it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa << reminds me, one of these days i gotta pay a visit to... their museum
mircea_popescu: why exactly is the state and its corporations allowed any protection ? worst thing to aid and abet.
mircea_popescu: it's about plainest morals : please consider if your duty to yourself, as a free man worth two shits doesn't require you to publish all the shit you know.
mircea_popescu: except it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa, nor about the long dead us generally.
mircea_popescu: to quote rms, "To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example."
hegemoOn: i agree about the natural selection process
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will be fine. there will be carnage in its wake, but that in itself is a positive outcome.
mircea_popescu: gavincoin will, because gavincoin is fundamentally predicated on the broken proposition of adjusting to the world.
hegemoOn: and bitcoin will face the same trouble when going to retail world
mircea_popescu: if you don't hurt the things you don't like, you're not really a man.
mircea_popescu: hegemoOn if you feel like writing out the details, qntra is looking for more "fiat sucks" failure stories.
hegemoOn: 120 peoples working on this platform and only 10% skilled enough to understand what they do
hegemoOn: guess who worked to parse all the log and worked with bank to recoved the money from auth message during 3 weeks ?
hegemoOn: exemple of failure : transaction processor which doesn't listen to commit acknowledgment of the sql database
asciilifeform: ^ this fact became popularly known on account of the joe stack rampage
asciilifeform: in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer << not in usa...
hegemoOn: and the golden era of computer guy was gone
hegemoOn: which sells them back legion of low cost computer guy
hegemoOn: and then bank/insurance create service company
hegemoOn: in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer
hegemoOn: exactly the same happened in computer land
hegemoOn: and even getting money back as far as they were paying for a service to a company they owns
mircea_popescu: same tiems when the cattle's "turned loose"
mircea_popescu: just like whores are only allowed to work "on their own" in those situations where there's not enough food to go around.
mircea_popescu: hegemoOn but you understand there's something fundamental about the occupation that makes them servants to the club, right ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, if individuals had direct control of their wealth, accounting would get quite complex
mircea_popescu: decimation the point for the accounting is to not be simplified. it would also simplify accounting if the two jews "selling" each other the same painting just wrote random numbers of paper.
decimation: decimation: it would simplify accounting if your salary just went directly to the local land baron
assbot: What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFxuaD )
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ << moar scriptures for the cult bible.
hegemoOn: in the 90 most bouncer were freelance
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it goes to the thread a few weeks ago about why does usg even bother to tax at all
asciilifeform: re: programmers, the inescapable conclusion is that in usa, their $xxx k-usd salary is merely a 'money laundry' vehicle for real estate racket
mircea_popescu: why were romanians willing to shiver in the winter in 88 ?
decimation: if that's true, then why are the chumpers willing to work for $60k (and pay $60k to live)
mircea_popescu: <decimation> replacement by an indian, either on or off shore << this is like saying your trophy wife that if she quits you, you'll replace her with a masturbation aid.
asciilifeform: decimation: as i understand, everyone who could easily be 'replaced by indian' (not always from india proper, but often east eu, etc. and the 'orc' world in general) - has been
asciilifeform: would they each pick a village and duel to the death with any other who decides to come to town ?
decimation: replacement by an indian, either on or off shore
asciilifeform: it would be interesting to consider what 'refusing to be the duck' would mean for the programmers
asciilifeform: to follow mircea_popescu's 'ducks and hunters' analogy, the ducks cluster in a flock and get shot together
decimation: asciilifeform, all these high salaries 'create jobs', you see
asciilifeform: if they all moved to the actual detroit, the chump harvester would simply move with them
decimation: asciilifeform: most of them would agree with moldbug's analysis that they believe paying tax is 'i gave at the office'
asciilifeform: but somehow continue to studiously dance around the subject of the disease that's actually killing them
asciilifeform: the folks in that thread appear to be entirely willing to be depressed
mircea_popescu: because the ydo not wish to be depressed.
asciilifeform: i.e. what remains after -all- the taxation?
asciilifeform: 'In Silicon Valley, my startup offers over the past two years have ranged from $160-250K with 0.5-0.75% equity.' -- from one comment in above link. and folks read this, and think he's paid 250k in actual money
asciilifeform: tale was re: usa rather than mpex, aha
mircea_popescu: whoever reads the term sheets knows.
decimation: "If your gut (or someone you trust) tells you that ANY ONE of the Founders is a bozo, forget it and walk away. They will take you and the company down."
decimation: got nothing because of liquidation preferences and other things. "
decimation: apparently in new york the situation is a little more harsh: "In New York, people have given up on equity. I hear this time and again in the NYC tech scene - building a company is hard in NYC because people don't believe equity is worth anything because of the bullshit that happened in the first bubble. In New York especially, there were a lot of shenanigans with equity in 99/00 bubble/crash era where companies got sold and employees
mircea_popescu: "o no, it would capsize the economy"
mircea_popescu: imagine the market chilling effects of these derps having to actually ask the girl from her father.
decimation: yeah some of the comments are amusing
asciilifeform: decimation: low pay is not the only way to be poor
asciilifeform: decimation: they were 'working for nothing' long ago, by way of giving up most of their salary to the local real estate chumpatron as a mandatory matter
mircea_popescu: so it's "about 3% out of the first 100k that self identify as female and self identify as under 30yo". for all we know two thirds of that are all labrador retrievers.
mircea_popescu: there is no way to list it but not list it. they could in principle not list it at all - the problem then becomes that, for our needs, they actually ARENT female.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is it theoretically possible that the 3% figure is off on account of gurlz refusing to indicate their sex (or somehow listing it in non-readily-machinereadable form in 'about' biographical box, etc. - is there one?)
mircea_popescu: jurov this is quickly developing into my fatal flaw, so i can be like a villain in the movies.
decimation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9052727 < lol, listen to chumps stuck inside the silly-con valley startup chumpatron grind and squeal about the sudden realization that they are working for nothing
jurov: i'd suggest mircea to hire someone reliable to do the dividend payouts
jurov: also, i can't relate the bitbet dividend (3.21579681) to S.BBET monthly statement that says:
decimation: asciilifeform: win from the thrashing - if it is a public one << "maim one, educate one thousand"
mircea_popescu: should appear from thenceforth
mircea_popescu: jurov there was an error which we've meanwhile fixed
asciilifeform: even if there is nothing sentient in the muppet that would win from the thrashing - if it is a public one, it will do some good for those who yet might
mircea_popescu: only if they're more than meatpuppet.
mircea_popescu: ascribing intent to happenstance is like ascribing causation to correlation, or ascribing life to movement : it soothes the brain, it makes the world "friendlier"
asciilifeform: 'nobody ever got fired' for being a meatpuppet who blindly imitates their immediate neighbour - yes
mircea_popescu: the ibm thing is just a subset of this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'my educated guess that the search is not offered because they couldn't support it, technically, not for any high falootin' ethical considerations.' << lol, like the thousands of dissertations on 'use of light and shadow' in sistine chapel ceiling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for instance http://www.notjustbitchy.com/clearly-there-are-too-many-women-on-fetlife/
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ?
mircea_popescu: god damned it they have decided fetlife is not to be searched. how dares anyone change this, and how dare they be someone specific!
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly, it's kinda fun to watch the slowly seethin anger or "secret" girly venues at this INCREDIBLE IMPROPRIETY.
mircea_popescu: they even have a 5 second delay "connecting" to the "correspondent". who is like, fifty feet away.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlfkutB-PcE << this is epic. so some derp from alba (roguhly romania's equivalent of Indiana) has been a fugitive sought for proxenetism and "creating an organised crime group" for over a year. he's put some derpy rap thing on youtube, and the tv chicks are creaming their pants because "over 1000 views". literally, "peste o mie de vizitatori" = over 1k views.
mircea_popescu: nobody actually knows. that pic is about as old as cable modems, but its context lost to the world.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/28d2bb2ffbc641518a3674b8fe676582/tumblr_ngz20w8Rmh1r6nfu5o1_500.jpg << and the worst ropework ever award goes to...
mircea_popescu: i dunno... kids breaking into the movies seems pretty civilised.
mircea_popescu: the stormteens ?
mircea_popescu: but that was the camels/donkeys thing exactly.
kakobrekla: i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes
Vexual: Anyway I'm off to sleep in the dirt
Vexual: The block reward gets smaller, fees will come into it
thestringpuller: I've never used the built in raid controller. I dunno if I could find the software needed to run it that way since I'm pretty sure the mainboard company is now defunct ~_~
Vexual: Back in the day. Crossroads of storage
thestringpuller: The computer is a decade old Vexual
Vexual: What are you running it on thestringpuller?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Well, you can restart it nao. The memory consumption was fatherless bastard blocks. Should restart with low RAM usage before creeping up and needing killed again. This can be repeated until you reach the present.
Vexual: I guess x11 is the sameish
Vexual: They are glittery worky nao tho
Vexual: I stopped buying macs when they went intel
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What about setting a process memory usage limit and scripting the restart process after it gets killed?
BingoBoingo: Haven't tried don't have any PPC macs around at the moment
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: What are you running bitcoin on?
BingoBoingo: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/02/13/rapamycin_and_aging_the_spotlight_shines.php
punkman: fluffypony: did the usg agent choose surface mail too?
fluffypony: Vexual: yeah, the cheapskates that chose surface mail had to wait 3 months for their stuff to arrive
Vexual: What happened with the ocean surface?
BingoBoingo: Only the left one
BingoBoingo: And about opening sales to the lowest common denominator
BingoBoingo: 211165 and still going on latest sync test. Will try to ride this one to the present
Vexual: yeah you print the hole to suit
Vexual: You can have holes that fit the screws you own
Vexual: A well designed shelf bracket will be better and stronger than the hardware shop equivalent
Vexual: Hopefully ba has a thingiverse better by then
Vexual: I mean easier to use at the expense of actually working well
Vexual: Like the builder who presents a nice archicad flythru then blames the concreter for everything that follows
Vexual: Poor lady had so many more police holes than baddie holes in hostages in the recent terry wrist thing
Vexual: Sounds a lot like the police commissioners job
punkman: "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one." << it's a great timesink, especially if you enjoy flapping your hands wondering why the fuck it's not printing or why it's on fire again
BingoBoingo: Well, the person getting buggered probably has an idea
BingoBoingo: Vexual: The Buggering bu Internal Affairs you say?
Vexual: Theyre busy investigating all the unwarranted bugging by the internal affairs of the next commissioner now. Printers prolly gone
mircea_popescu: so in the end... she enjoyed it ?
ben_vulpes: Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once asked a female engineer who had just been a victim of this if it bothered her. "Yes, it really annoys me," she said. "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: aside from having the thing actually be programmable, but that's apparently a nonstarter in our world.
asciilifeform: (the reason why it is possible to learn photoshit without reading docs is that the controls are there on the table, so to speak)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the only pills i'm aware of are pouring capital into refining the interface and training the intended customers.
asciilifeform: someone might say 'key mappings' but this neglects the explorability aspect
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: on the subject of 'gimp'-like proggys with terrifyingly layered menus - this is a well-known plague and there is no, afaik, ready pill for it.
ben_vulpes: i'd no idea that compiling a static bitcoind would take quite so much memory. then again, it's loading all of boost and dbb and openssl - does all of the above need to reside in memory at the same time?
ben_vulpes: (subject of the portatron: "g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) ")
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and did you spend a similar amount of time attempting to 'work' the same way in 'the gimp'?
decimation: there's another angle to the 'open source cad' thing: autocad refuses to release the spec for their full-feature 'save' files
decimation: asciilifeform: actually I think the best explanation for 'why hypercard had to die' is that apple discovered that you could sell software to chumps at huge profit, whereas actually competing on hardware is a low-margin miserable business
ben_vulpes: one of the things that gently nudged me into my current slavery
ben_vulpes: the best part about labview is how once a person builds a reasonably complex thing in it they and only they can really understand where all the pipes go and where all the data is and how control moves around
decimation: lolz I didn't look at the comments
asciilifeform: decimation: if you'd like a canonical list of those turds, of several years' vintage, read the comments to 568.
decimation: except they cost $, are not reliable, and are less useful than hypercard was
decimation: actually even the html/css shitstack has grown its own quasi hypercard https://ifttt.com/
asciilifeform: ^ was ludicrously popular on account of intelligent folks who were 'afraid of programming' and agreed to try it out because it didn't pattern-match their phobia
asciilifeform: in an earlier age, 'hypercard' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << my article on the subject) filled a similar niche
decimation: Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library
decimation: I find his idea that someone actually uses labview for something other than to waste the taxpayers' time & money amusing
asciilifeform: 'openscad' if mathematically-inclined, 'freecad' if used to traditional gui
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: on the other hand if all you want to do is to define some geometry and run a lathe, there are tolerably sane proggys around
decimation: https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy << trololol
ben_vulpes: "does it fit" << doubly so in the context of assemblies.
ben_vulpes: 6-axis doolie to move the object around in space; select faces and planes on which to draw shapes and sweep/extrude them through space.
ben_vulpes: decimation: it's actually very fast and intuitive once you've learned the interfaces.
decimation: well, there's certainly a 'does it fit' aspect that is visual
decimation: I mean that the brain's language 'co-processor' (as ascii desribed it) can be used
ben_vulpes: decimation: they both support defining parts parametrically.
decimation: ben_vulpes: do either of those systems accept 'scripting' inputs, such that you could describe the parts with a textual interface?
decimation: yeah my understanding is that solidworks is kind of the 3d hill and autocad is king of the 2d hill
ben_vulpes: last time i checked the answer to "assemblies?" was "lolwut" and i stopped paying attention.
ben_vulpes: it has been a few years since i looked at the "open" cadcam "solutions".
ben_vulpes: although the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy