asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps the ancient art of 'sword test' will be revived one day.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, humans aren't "bare flesh" in the sense of, overgrown squid. it's really quite well designed a mechanical apparatus. not least designed to... withstand swords.
mircea_popescu: etc etc. one who's never butchered - say game - doth not readily feel the difficulty of the problem)
mircea_popescu: also trivial to break it, say in the lumbar spine.
mircea_popescu: (for instace : it's trivial to get a blade stuck. say in the rib cage.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strictly... to the skilled hands << against bare flesh ?
mircea_popescu: the ak-47... less strictly so.
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: University Shootings: I'm Sure It's All Just A ...: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/university_shootings_im_sure_i.html>
mircea_popescu: ;;google Dec. 6, 1989: Gamil Gharbi, 25, engineering student at the University of Montreal, kills 13 women and wounds others (he released the men.)
gribble: San Diego State University shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Diego_State_University_shooting>; Frederick Davidson | Murderpedia, the encyclopedia of murderers: <http://murderpedia.org/male.D/d/davidson-frederick-martin.htm>; 3 on San Diego State Faculty Fatally Shot - Los Angeles Times: <http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-16/news (1 more message)
thestringpuller: I was gonna visit you up in the great NW when I was out in SF in March since its a train ride away.
mircea_popescu: kinda discretely fart while standing, right in the face of seated ppl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i lived there i'd prep my girls with a literful of it in the rectum before going to a student party in one opf those cramped apts like they do.
mircea_popescu: whoops... in which we find tlp has 75% fewer comments than trilema over twice the period ? this sucks.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laughers can get all the laughing gas they could wish for, yes. i often see these bottles - emptied - lying on the kerb, fallen out of upturned student house dumpsters.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: "Inflammable Means Flammable? What A Country!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1CBlB1K )
mircea_popescu: unrelated lulz : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/04/inflammable_means_flammable_wh.html#comment-39883
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can only speak for my case, but yes, the culinary shops sell NO2. where i live - in small cylinders approx. the size of a shotgun shell. i know full well which gas it is, because my sole use of it is in a miniature cutting torch.
xuthus: then you are forgiven
mircea_popescu: mike_c http://thetarpit.org/posts/y01/031-bitcoin-as-infrastructure-iv.html#fn1 << check it out, you had at least one fad!
ben_vulpes: lots of lulz and drama to be had there.
mircea_popescu: that's a theory...
Adlai: after he's done betting enough that he also wins the billion dollar bet bet
PeterL: so mircea_popescu, when are you going to start pushing up the bitcoin price so you can win the berkshire bet?
mircea_popescu: HE FORKED BITCOIN INTO STAYING THE SAME!
mircea_popescu: my dream is that at some future point two groups of people will beat each other up to cries of "the asshole's a romanian gypsy!" "no he's an argentinian commie!"
mircea_popescu: how about "I am blocking you due to your association with a argentinian ass bag named MirceaPopescu who has stolen the personal information of many people on fet life and posted it to a web site."
PeterL: has nothing to do with solubilizing in the cream
mircea_popescu: i guess this drama's dried up, need to move on to something else to keep the btc price up.
PeterL: so to finalize where I was going, since n2o goes through the gas/liquid transition you can squish much more into the can at a reasonable pressure than n2, and so you get fluffier cream when it comes out of the can. n2 whipped cream would not be fluffy.
mircea_popescu: obviously current fem derps would very much like to think so, mostly because it involves people they like to promote.
nubbins`: in the 70s
nubbins`: also MFW i realized the "machismo" of north america in film, tv, commercials, etc etc was a response to second-wave feminism
nubbins`: there ya go
nubbins`: birds as in, of a feather
mircea_popescu loathes canned cream.
PeterL: room temperature is much higher than n2's critical point, but below the critical point of n2o
mircea_popescu: Adlai they totally did actually, if i recall my biographies correctly.
nubbins`: i think this is the second time mp tried to tell me my subective experience was incorrect
Adlai: trivia: n2o and n2 were both isolated in the same year, by different chemists. i hope they had a shitfest over who had really isolated nitrogen before realizing they were distinct compounds :D
nubbins`: oh hi, the rest of freenode
mircea_popescu: shut up and let the chemist investigate
nubbins`: nevermind that you're literally rupturing the canisters with a fuckin spike
mircea_popescu: yeah, because totally, pressure is unavailable industrially. nobody ever used 2x the pressure to save on 90% the c ost.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, Adlai: in fact, you need 2x the amount of pressure to keep n2 liquid.
nubbins`: if you're quick, you can spray some into your mouth and breathe fire
Adlai: now let's talk about how danielpbarron passed off diethyl ether as moonshine
Adlai: yeah but nubbins` seems set on convincing you, rather than trolling along...
mircea_popescu: nubbins` our options are, 1) two buck a can items are made with the cheapest possible thing and 2) two buck a can items are made with expensive medicine, because there's a conspiracy to keep kids entertained while they can't legally as much as buy a drink.
nubbins`: (2) does sound like the more reasonable one
nubbins`: so our options are: (1) n2o is actually n2o and there's a reason why n2 won't cut it. or (2) all n2o is n2, without exception, and every single person who knows this secret isn't telling.
mircea_popescu: 'new formulation, protects the engine!11"
mircea_popescu: tho they claim it.
mircea_popescu: no, but it doesn;'t "protect the engine"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` can we now move on to the wrestling dispute ?
nubbins`: so the premium fuel i'm putting into my car is actually regular grade?
mircea_popescu: PeterL yeah. i r physicist not chemist. and a theoretical one at that >D
mircea_popescu: not a single fmcg item is properly labeled if the dispute is "get nubsy to think it's better than it is"
nubbins`: i'm not sure why you think there's an industry-wide conspiracy and that all whipped cream canisters are intentionally mislabelled?
mircea_popescu: (kinda why co2 is used in "beverages" - acidity there's a plus)
nubbins`: i'm no chemist, but maybe if we asked someone qualified, they'd be able to give an actual answer
nubbins`: of course o2 isn't there
mircea_popescu: notice 02 wasn't there. it's obvious why not : fucking expensive. because reactive.
nubbins`: "it produces whipped cream four times the volume of the liquid, whereas whipping air into cream only produces twice the volume. If air were used as a propellant, oxygen would accelerate rancidification of the butterfat; nitrous oxide inhibits such degradation. Carbon dioxide cannot be used for whipped cream because it is acidic in water, which would curdle the cream and give it a seltzer-like "sparkling" sensation."
Adlai wonders whether anybody bothered to read william james's gassy babblings. tl;dr: "There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."
PeterL: I just don't understand how the world works?
nubbins`: foaming ("whipping") it in the process
nubbins`: when this is released into the atmosphere
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish to visit the industrial plants artists would make to support their independent nation
PeterL: it needs to be non-soluble to make the bubbles
mircea_popescu: for that matter, co2 is not bread soluble either, works just fine to leaven bread.
mircea_popescu: kinda why druggies try to steal from hospitals rather than police stations or courthouses.
mircea_popescu: also regulated, amoing other things, to not be dispensed otc / to unlicensed physicians ?
Adlai: fwiw, there's "automotive-grade" and "food-grade" nitrous. the latter is (supposedly) regulated to contain nitrous and not whatever else is cheaper.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im more talking the industrial side of things here.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu while co2 canisters are popular, they're a different size and generally used for paintball/bb guns
Adlai: they are *different*
Adlai: i'm sorry, but if you can't distinguish o2 deprivation from n2o intoxication, then you've never intoxicated on n2o.
nubbins`: the trip lasts almost precisely as long as you can hold your breath.
Adlai: how on earth (the planet with an atmosphere full of nitrogen) would nitrogen gas get you anything other than sober / oxygen deprived
mircea_popescu: and you still think the can's pressurized with n2o ?
nubbins`: ...they are.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda illogical to tell me you actually think billions of gallos of heavy duty intoxicant are being sold otc all over the world.
Adlai: the default high, if you will.
mircea_popescu: i thought they use simple N2 in those cans, not NO
nubbins`: Adlai i can recall trying to explain to someone what it's like being put to sleep by "gas" when in the hospital
assbot: Erowid Nitrous Vault : The Subjective Effects of Nitrous Oxide, by William James ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJqRnt )
nubbins` highly recommends Sagan's "the varieties of scientific experience"
nubbins`: hey, it ended with a quote from "the varieties of religious experience"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: why did this man feel that taking 400mcg of LSD, alone, in a rowboat, in the middle of a lake, in nepal, was a good idea?
nubbins`: actually i guess i can do this myself right on the page
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Not Competent To Make Medical Decisions? ... ( http://bit.ly/1AJpvcB )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes speaking of that : http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/01/not_competent_to_make_medical.html#comment-26
jurov: almost all alternative cancer treatments i saw had some emdee face from the US attached
nubbins`: "Have you ever traveled, beyond all mere metaphors, to the Mountain of Shame and stayed for a thousand years? I do not recommend it."
ben_vulpes: "Why, he will be castigated by the authority, cast out by the other doctors, and no longer be able to call himself a doctor." << rarely happens in the ussa, but this place is a hellhole.
mircea_popescu: not even the worst offender, that one.
mircea_popescu: Adlai http://trilema.com/2015/this-is-why-medicine-is-not-a-liberal-profession-but-a-servile-career/ << funnily related, fresh off the presses.
Adlai likes mckenna's "If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on."
jurov: -query thestringpuller
nubbins`: "I can think of no right more fundamental than the right to peacefully steward the contents of one’s own consciousness."
Adlai left out the part about sam doing this on a rowboat in a nepalese lake
Adlai: "I ingested 400 micrograms of LSD. I was twenty years old and had taken the drug at least ten times previously. What could go wrong?" lol
Adlai: or, to bastardize sam harris, 1000 years at the Mountain of Shame
PeterL: so I just applied for a job at a company, their hr is handled by SilkRoad.com , made me lol
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nubbins`: $15 a tab seems to be dark-market standard these days
Adlai: "Interestingly, the $10/100mcg price is approximately what the research chemical firm Sigma-Aldrich charges (Product Link). I'm guessing the main expense is regulatory compliance. $1 for the chemicals, $99 for filling out NIDA paperwork."
nubbins`: but yeah, straight up, the actual cheapest drug to produce once you're set up
nubbins`: actually maybe that was their wholesale rate
Adlai: the price of lsd is an interesting topic, given that once you pass some rather priceless hurdles, the actual cost of producing a kilo of the stuff is epsilon
nubbins`: now when you buy LSD from a guy off the street, it's actually LSD.
nubbins`: anyway. silk road came along. it died, others followed.
Adlai: yknow, reagents existed even before the internet itself
nubbins`: and people stop misrepresenting what they're selling.
nubbins`: always sold as LSD, because who the fuck wants to buy something called 2-5i-NBOMe?
nubbins`: active at very low doses -- enough to fit on blotter -- and similar enough to LSD that those who hadn't dosed before could mistake it for the real thing
nubbins`: in 2006, 2-5I-NBOmE or however the fuck it's spelled was created
nubbins`: Adlai i mean the RCs on SR were mostly fake.
Adlai: bulk research chems were sold on the open internet long before sr existed
nubbins`: kept young white kids outta the hard parts of town
nubbins`: it was DESIGNED for the petty stuff.
nubbins`: 1) hit up the park and ask the hippies 2) hit up the alley and ask the sketchbag 3) pop on SR and purchase from a trusted vendor with a list of ratings
BingoBoingo: Or you tattoo he shortchanges onto his forehead in the back of a van.
nubbins`: because there's nowhere i can "leave a rating" in meatspacethat will follow him around?
nubbins`: generally the purchaser in a face-to-face transaction is at a distinct disadvantage.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well the risk for the in person personal weed deal is functional. It keeps everyone honest.
nubbins`: that the two activities carry significantly differing levels of risk is worth noting, but this point aside, they're equally nonsensical.
nubbins`: consider: what is every dark market currently selling as their #1 product?
nubbins`: (but so did dpr, in the end)
nubbins`: also FWIW i think mp et al precisely misunderstood the function of silk road
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession <<< if he'd stuck to website admin, his actual job, he'd prolly still be out there
nubbins`: *:asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc <<< i rage-smashed a set of folding binoculars at around age 8, broke the little compass on top. wept bitterly at the loss, resolved to only smash things i didn't value from then on
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: My naive understanding is that older client just see it as noise. Like the multisig stuff.
mike_c: i want that to be cute but i can't tell if there's a death struggle going on.
hdbuck: danielpbarron yea i like that article, read it already when it came out, anway gotta go, thanks for the heads up. ++
assbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don't matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jmlxw7 )
hdbuck: eh, thats just stating the obvious. not that anyone could do anything about it. cycle of life.
assbot: Fact of the matter is, the infrastructure was not ready pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/17hfEhY )
BingoBoingo: DPR, literally the guy who wasn't good enough to sling dope as a profession
hdbuck: so whatcha gonna do when coinbase/TBF/bitpay/bitfury/KNC/ and all the usg rapist unite to promote the fork?
Adlai: although i guess the correct plugal would be pogī
Adlai: tbh for both of the last links
cazalla: mircea_popescu: But legal driving limit is usually .08% <<< here, 0.05, learner or provisional driver? 0! bad luck if your medication put you over the limit!
mircea_popescu: this is the most moldbug-like tlp article so far.
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/03/a_primer_on_pedophilia.html << for the reason, the guy has omfg no idea what he's talking about.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: You've made the bed. Enjoy dying in it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19mO58w )
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell joecool http://trilema.com/2015/youve-made-the-bed-enjoy-dying-in-it/ << you've made trilema!
mircea_popescu: read one police report of crime x, you've read half of them. read ten, you've (practically) read them all. clinical psychology is only interesting to the patently insane, as a practice. otherwise all the notes say endlessly the same five or six things. there just aren't that many things to say.
mircea_popescu: a lot of neuropathy to "explain" and justify it all, sure. but google can sort through all that pretty fast, especially because it being psychogenic rather than rational it is dreadfully boring and entirely predictable.
mircea_popescu: now imagine that, through technological advance, there is actually no real job for any of the kids to do. so jimmy does not quit. and consequently jodi has nobody to marry. so she does not. so twenty years later, they are still in that garage, still with that guitar.
mircea_popescu: and in fact more funding is issued by the long suffering parents, either directly (as is the case in romania) or through collective buying (the state ->taxes->etc in the us).
asciilifeform: 'insufficient number and quality of bicorns issued to the napoleons'
mircea_popescu: the process is wholly self-referential. it is in no sense different from the goings on in any insane asylum. you are essentially asking "ok, the sanitariums of the world hold a supply of at least 5000 napoleons. why is there no glorious history being produced ?"
asciilifeform suddenly grasps what the story was probably about
asciilifeform: that was the question
mircea_popescu: if that happens im fucking defecting, because srsly. finding just one cockroach in the kitchen is one thing, but here we have found a cockroach inside the cockroach and no sign of any kitchens.
mircea_popescu: imagine you were going to war in afghanistan and discovered the centcom thought afghanistan is actually in zanzibar ?
asciilifeform: what would have been the purpose of such an exercise ?
mircea_popescu: he failed, at the end of the reporting period, to have met the bare minimum level of achievement of finding out that the girl was actually working.
mircea_popescu: one particular schmuck formulated plans for at least 24 months, at the rate of one a week, to TALK TO this particular whore.
mircea_popescu: well im sure they all maintained metabolic balance throughout.
asciilifeform: as the necessary 'instead'
asciilifeform: i mean, it is approximately correct to say that it is discharging heat in the time between ticks
mircea_popescu: instead of what lol. that's the clock rate.
asciilifeform: heating the room.
mircea_popescu: what is the pentium 1 doing "instead" ?
asciilifeform: at some point you end up wondering what they're doing instead
mircea_popescu: ok. let's put it in perspective. at some point i ended up peripherally involved in the "Art" scene by virtue of fucking in it.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you actually understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: just to underscore the sheer level of the braindamage i've uncovered - the thing won't build on any box with past 2+ yrs of glibc.
asciilifeform: where are the fossilized traces of folks doing it in insane matter, for lunatic reasons?
joecool: google moved away from unique strings over the past few years... moved to signals, will match synonyms and areas to a query
asciilifeform: so the 'google finds unique strings' thing, sure - can we conclude that i'm the only one alive trying to build 'gnat' on 'gentoo' ?
punkman: purpose being "find out where that other guy spams links, so you can do it too"
mircea_popescu: yeah. big business, giving idiots in cubicals something to do with their time that looks more srs bzns than facebook
punkman: there's at least a dozen of those mega-crawlers
mircea_popescu: let them crawl lol.
mircea_popescu: i never bothered.
mircea_popescu: they do crawl.
punkman: no they crawl
asciilifeform: the thing has a thoroughly spamatronic feel to it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, in one sentence it'd be "for the sheer frequency with which rare associations that match types they only see in quality text are seen here"
asciilifeform: for all we know, they favour #b-a log on account of the sheer frequency with which sp4mz0rz and sc4mz0rz are mentioned here.