mike_c: one-time not the right word. it's $2/hr if any, but not per-box.
mike_c: down the road, with a bit of scale, you could sell him dedicated instance without ruinous one-time cost aws imposes
mike_c: customer's don't know what they want
asciilifeform: no lie there - i told everyone it's languishing on aws.
asciilifeform: to paraphrase the poet
asciilifeform: i do not want it in the zoo,
mike_c: and the service is: computing power for btc
mike_c: it won't be cheaper. for the same reasons.
mike_c: i am arguing that the service will be more reliable and easier to run on aws than colo rack.
mike_c: if you buy a rack in a colo you'll never have the same kind of reliability
mike_c: but the difficulty of IaaS is why reselling aws makes sense to me.
mike_c: and does all the time. and is replaced trivially
mike_c: why? then when your actual hardware eats shit you're down.
mike_c: (in the future)
mike_c: well, that's why jurov resells them.
mike_c: the cost for dedicated is amortized across all your dedicated instances
asciilifeform: afaik no one is offering - or -has ever- offered these - for btc...
jurov: and back to topic, currently i'm about reselling aws stuff, that's a start. i know some trustworthy people here that do vpses, i'll ask them for cooperation
lobbes: jurov: thanks for the link. I got my own VPS to fuck up, though. ;)
jurov: https://web.archive.org/web/20140207213824/http://simpleshell.com/ << twas this. clicking on the button gave you real shell
lobbes: asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor << Fair enough. Point taken
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm simply used to seeing that phrase as shorthand for 'it's ok for me to utterly fuck this up, right, because results couldn't possibly be important, aha?'
asciilifeform: but rather something that has to actually work...
asciilifeform: unless i misunderstand, jurov isn't opening a clinic for the poor
lobbes: I wouldn't add much value, but I'd work for free as an extra set of hands/eyes. You'd still need someone that knew what they were doing, of course. Plus I wouldn't be available 24/7 so maybe I'd be no use lol
asciilifeform: call ft meade, they'll work for phree
mike_c: you could hire a service to handle tier 1 monitoring and wake you up if there's an emergency.
jurov: namworld is not with bitvps anymore, and they're imo pretty lame
jurov: i see this is serious and there's interest. but the last obstacle is i must do this together with someone, it needs someone on duty 24hrs
mircea_popescu: but then you gotta commit to make it a job. i think there's a pretty decent living in it, but whadda i know.
mircea_popescu: if you want, i can front you the capital to colo a few servers wherever you want, and work off that.
jurov: i have plenty experience with using VPSes, not with running them
jurov: have to make some dough first, then i can finally fix it
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mircea_popescu: jurov you know, the signed commits thing
asciilifeform: surrounded by heads of the fort defenders
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: freebsd's been a total loss since the llvm thing
mircea_popescu: punkman jurov's maintaining the pride list.
punkman: where is the open source shame list
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of the authors.
asciilifeform: and they tend to recurr
asciilifeform: for some reason we hardly ever hear the names
asciilifeform: the folks responsible - have names.
mircea_popescu: considering another 2 in 5 exist on paper only, as some sort of scheme defrauding the public treasury,
mircea_popescu: "1 in 5 pieces of software in the US are unlicensed. Be part of the solution." holy shit, that bad ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's not a problem of technology asa much as ideology, you realise. currently, if you ask consumer why X item exists, it's because "that's what the factory makes". "and it has to be sold^H^H^H^H marketed to me". as opposed to, you know, because this is what I WANT.
mircea_popescu: the traditional paradigm was artesanal - objects exists because someone willed them into existence.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the industrial paradigm is not any one particular thing, but the idea that the production of material artefacts is the result of a process not of a will.
ben_vulpes: now, i beg pardon for my ignorance, but could not this model be adapted to the cd rw?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he had another book where computing happened by specially trained singers belting out gregorian-style chants
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: destroying the "industrial" paradigm << expand on this. recall also the thread where we discussed how pashtun blacksmiths can make kalash, yes they can, not not one of them can make a single 7.62x39 round from brass scrap
mircea_popescu: (i don't care either way, each works, but i was lulz'd at your militant stance)
asciilifeform: but eliminating stock ram is three or so notches of crackpottery above the rest of it, even.
mircea_popescu: why do you want ddr2 is the question ?
asciilifeform: but in practice, it has. i have a $$$$$ fpga board gathering dust because realized that it is impossible to implement ddr2 controller (and drive any available memory of reasonable density) without reversing the entire chip
mircea_popescu: but completely rather than just "progressively".
mircea_popescu: in any case, strategically speaking, it will be a lot easier, cheaper and blood-economical to unseat the fiat atrocity supporting the welfare state by destroying the "industrial" paradigm.
mircea_popescu: the basic idea of a computer ALSO hasn't changed.
asciilifeform: since first one was built from resistors in the '30s
asciilifeform: tempting example, but not a very good one - the basic idea of a dac hasn't changed
mircea_popescu: the item in question, as kako points out, is still the shit. not because it plays the ghz&poettering game.
asciilifeform: ^ there we go
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asciilifeform: but what was the music box ?
mircea_popescu: start it from something that's derpy but works, i say, rather than something that's clever, but doesn't.
mircea_popescu: for that matter ... recall the discussions even here about the purely resisitive musicbox ?
mircea_popescu: after all the disk is flat.
mircea_popescu: it isn't, but then again maybe it could be.
mircea_popescu: i just meant, use the items somehow.
asciilifeform: intrinsic spiral pattern in the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: as in, build it from garbage up, exactly how the current stack was built.
mircea_popescu: you can then make an item that looks sort-of like an 1990s "art" installation, except it does logic ?
mircea_popescu: is there some way to make this actually BE junk ? like, for instance, make an item that prints logic gates on cds, old abandoned cds ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypothetical chip fab experiment does not require new computer.
mircea_popescu: ironically, it may actually have a lot in common with the cd-r burner.
asciilifeform: that would have considerably less in common with the existing one than 'cd-r burner' with pressed aluminum disks, or '3d printer' with injection mold press
asciilifeform: PeterL: emphatically not. not 'smaller cheaper' what-they-do-now.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the folks mentioning clean rooms show symptoms of not having understood
asciilifeform: have to reinvent the entire stack.
mircea_popescu: proof of this being the cosmic space.
ben_vulpes: also, depends on the degree of cleanliness required.
asciilifeform: the thing that absolutely must be understood by anyone with any inkling of an interest in the subject is
mircea_popescu: the problem with clean is largely a matter of size. it's easier to keep a large space clean.
mircea_popescu: depends on how big the fab is
asciilifeform: PeterL: any fab process that requires clean room is ipso facto irrelevant to the question of 'home fab'
lobbes: lol, there ought to be a '!up all' function
asciilifeform: chip fab << i've been doing some (mostly theoretical) work on the subject, for some years. it's a guilty pleasure of mine.
ben_vulpes: they do anyways
mircea_popescu: all these fucking hysterical jokes that are only funny to me
mircea_popescu: is nowhere to be found on the public trackers <<
ben_vulpes: from the piracy lulzmine: Patton's /Peeping Tom/ is nowhere to be found on the public trackers, yet trivially available on UToob
ben_vulpes: this is ridiculous on the face of it, but young american men are more interested in solving simple nonexistent problems with tech than solving big complex hairy ones.
ben_vulpes: just the USian bias - herr presidente sez no guns, ergo it's impossible to get guns
mircea_popescu: i am certainly more interested in a "print your own chips" road to freedom than in the "print your own guns" approach.
mircea_popescu: jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density << easier to do on the disk than on the ic, but you have a good point there.
mircea_popescu: "This position can be in house or freelance. Must be local to the area to discuss projects. " "we never heard of pgp, what is it, italian shoes ???"
mircea_popescu: in other news, the "toilet seat debate" has been resolved. http://38.media.tumblr.com/a3df8a95aba72f77c3dd84453d8e0201/tumblr_n4q32bciEb1st3pp0o1_400.gif
mircea_popescu: anyway, the misfortunate eu allies of the us are now getting in greece the argentine beauty come to roost.
mircea_popescu: just, there's a difference between isis becoming so infested with westerners it starts thinking like them and isis simply being mistranslated.
mircea_popescu: i have no wonderment for how anglos are reinterpreting arab ideas in their own framework (which, for this purpose, is strictly millenarism)
punkman: , whose eventual death— when just a few thousand jihadists remain—will usher in the apocalypse."
punkman: "Musa Cerantonio, an Australian preacher reported to be one of the Islamic State’s most influential recruiters, believes it is foretold that the caliphate will sack Istanbul before it is beaten back by an army led by the anti-Messiah
mircea_popescu: i thought they started more from jihadish ideas.
punkman: that's where they started isn't it
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 01:41:05; asciilifeform: hdd firmware << 1) snore. revealed definitively in doc. ~month ago, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-01-2015#981436 2) proven as concept in 'linux on hdd head controller' ~2 yrs ago 3) experimented with privately by numerous folks, incl. yours truly, for a few years before 4) mostly a snore, even the best hdd diddle falls down in a raid5 system
asciilifeform: most egregiously in the english-speaking press: 'crank bait' sensationalism - 'every box on the planet is owned!' designed to chip away at the credibility of kaspersky
asciilifeform: ranging from mere omission of the fact, certain as daylight, of it being a usg production (with no attempt whatsoever inside to disguise their characteristic turdware tradecraft, note)
asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic.
lobbes has fuzzy memories being drunk in the DR; buying a kebab from some street vendor. Probably over-paid
cazalla: the fuck is a donair
cazalla: this is one of those, i sorta know the answer to my question but im gonna ask as if im clueless anyway
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=tmw | Shorthand for "Too Much Work". Used to describe situations or happenings that are just too much work to bother doing or participating. Also goes by TMW, or tee ...
lobbes: naw I'm just fucked in the head
cazalla: well ya wanna be a true blue fair dinkum aussie cunt ya gotta get ya such is life tat to go with your southern cross tat
cazalla: bogans get it tatted across their chest or tramp stamped if woman
lobbes: jurov: lobbes it's matter of degrees, the more deeper you go, the less you think you know << yeah, that seems to be the theme of everything I learn. Which plays into the 'addiction' point MP made. "There's more to learn!"
jurov: when i chose not to avoid them, there's other kinds of frustration but not the "everything goes to shit" feeling
mircea_popescu: wtf was that uberridiculous site back in 2012, that people ended up signing up as other users etc ? bitdaytrade ?
mircea_popescu: "progress" or w/e they call it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general << i thought this was naturally a part of the aging process. i.e. "the old man".
mircea_popescu: lobbes yes. the problem with it is that it's addictive, and soon enough you'll be pretty disatisfied with the world in general.
lobbes: can't wait until I know what I'm doing enough to throw off the 'windows shackles' altogether
lobbes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021517 << Thanks! I'm starting to realize the value of it over the winshits and macshits; that being having control over your computing.
cazalla: damn susan sarandon is not a bad piece of ass in rocky horror, nothing on magenta but better than the pixelated c64 shit back in the day
jurov: they say bluray has pit size 150 nm, track pitch 320 nm.. allows for quite a density
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2015 17:35:31; danielpbarron: maybe there's something to what MP is saying; I can get pretty high from holding my breath while standing up suddenly
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Adlai: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-02-2015#1021145 << incidentally, whippits are also sold in sex shops. surely the local systemd has monetized pleasure?
assbot: Positive Research Center: The research: Mobile Internet traffic hijacking via GTP and GRX ... ( http://bit.ly/1v9Nm4h )
punkman: cazalla: a wiki of bitcoin companies, who was involved, when they launched/closed etc etc, edited and maintained by a select few << I pitched this idea a couple times, guess the time has come for it?
mircea_popescu: except "we" haven't come. THEY have gone
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: He's the FCC commisioner
pete_dushenski: i have no interest in paying for a wsj sub to see the rest of that article, however
mircea_popescu: by the way, as commenter points out. https://github.com/FetLife << ruby/mysql running on ubuntu.
pete_dushenski: "The Great Internet Power Grab: We’ve come a long way from Steve Jobs as ‘phone phreak’ to Tom Wheeler as ruler of the Internet." << should i know who tom wheeler is ? if he's someone, why isn't he here ?
mircea_popescu: ""Our idea was, if the first hash means 'unregistered' in English, would it be possible that the second hash means 'unregistered' as well, but in Arabic?" Steube said. "So we tried to download some Arabic expansion packs for [website commment app] vBulletin, which is the forum software that was attacked here.""
mircea_popescu: did they also catch some "russian sleeper agents" through the time honored spycraft of hussling random vacationers ?
mircea_popescu: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5"
ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
ben_vulpes: qa for the foundation - what a gig
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Alright Just wondering, because my personal 0.7.2 WTF build should sync sometime next week at the latest
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i'll let you know when i get there
pete_dushenski: http://www.kasperskymotorsport.com/fileadmin/content/images/slideshow/2015-scuderia-ferrari01.jpg << for motorsports fans, kasp logos can be seen on along the side and top of the front nosecone
ben_vulpes: so the towelheads humilated kaspersky, sending him to twitter for help?
pete_dushenski: as alf would call it, it's "security theatre"
pete_dushenski: they don't need to actually work
pete_dushenski: *these
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell the_scourge hey ninjashogun managed to crap more lines into the log over a longer time than you. howzat feel?
pete_dushenski: out the plaintext behind the hash e6d290a03b70cfa5d4451da444bdea39 was غير مسجل, which is Arabic for "unregistered". The hex-encoded string for the same Arabic word is dbedd120e3d3cce1."
pete_dushenski: "Researchers for Moscow-based Kaspersky Lab spent more than two weeks trying to crack the MD5 hash using a computer that tried more than 300 billion plaintext guesses every second. After coming up empty-handed, they enlisted the help of password-cracking experts, both privately and on Twitter, in hopes they would do better. Password crackers Jens Steube and Philipp Schmidt spent only a few hours before figuring
pete_dushenski: "Unraveling a mystery that eluded the researchers analyzing the highly advanced Equation Group the world learned about Monday, password crackers have deciphered a cryptographic hash buried in one of the hacking crew's exploits. It's Arabic for "unregistered." "
ben_vulpes: there was this hilarious embedded ram arms race
ben_vulpes: also had all the sony cd players that did mp3s before portable hdds were a thing
cazalla: i opted for the creative jukebox.. what a piece of shit that was
ben_vulpes: gotta leave something between the lines.
mircea_popescu: not just one guy. one guy who systematically hit everyone over the head with crazy ed's snippers encased in concrete
ben_vulpes: now ives is steering things and they're trumpeting their solar deals, working on 'watches' and spreading rumors about tesla acquisitions.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> those early ipods were phenomenally well designed. << yes. because they were built around exactly one core value. "what's that for ? fuck you, you're not putting that in here."
mircea_popescu: It's debatable whether keeping potential terrorists in Cuba is a good idea. But when the State starts using pyschiatry to manage their population... I know you think I am exaggerrating. I'll bet you're not poor.
mircea_popescu: The system is designed with simply one outcome in mind: keep the poor with high recidivism rates and minimal social resources in jail-- a sort of half-way house for the disenfranchised-- until you can't possibly justify it any longer, and then give them a quick trial, accept the guilty plea ("what guilty plea?") and sentence them to time served and probation-- where you can add further controls.
pete_dushenski: that was the first one i had too
ben_vulpes: ah, no it's there
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the best being ?
ben_vulpes: http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT1353 << this page is actually omitting the best ipod that was ever released
pete_dushenski: and they fetch a pretty penny now too
pete_dushenski: i have 11.0.1 on this machine and even it's far messier and more byzantine than the older versions i seem to recall
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ben_vulpes: http://www.goethe.de/ges/umw/prj/kuk/fot/roj/enindex.htm << apropos of nothing, really
ben_vulpes: whatever the fuck that means
ben_vulpes: this is topologically identical to the "Surface" shitshow, where when the retarded windows touch ui gets in your way you can get rid of it and go back to classic windows, with which one interacts with a stylus.
ben_vulpes: and the old ui returns, nearly unmolested
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights the next album, displaying its tracklist.
ben_vulpes: another amusing tidbit from apple's wholesale collapse in quality on the desktop: no longer does the right arrow in iToonz skip to the next track.
mircea_popescu: i remember the times i could safely eat oxtail soup
BingoBoingo: It's alright. The US peanut butter salmonella scare was traced back to birdshit in the peanut processing plant
BingoBoingo: People catch Brucellosis in "Brucellosis Free" states. If I accept the meta-NSA exists its common name is most likely the United States Department of Agriculture.
decimation: in the us
decimation: some folks think that there are beef cows with cjd too
BingoBoingo: Brains and eggs I remember as being good, but since this continent has deer with CJD and the UK had mad cow, have to settle for making it with pork brains.
BingoBoingo: If there is a part of the cow that tastes more like beef than the tongue I have yet to meet it.
mircea_popescu: do they have cake delivery where you live ?
BingoBoingo: I don't recall. I'm still deep in the libations that are getting me over the meat odometer rollover.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if metansa exists, that's why he disappeared : they hired him.
mircea_popescu: who owns it, becomes a little lord. You want money? They demand your service. It is the opposite of owning a stock, where you demand their service. It's more than just a concentration of wealth among the few. It is also a concentration of control, and, more importantly, risk. You may not be able to profit from it, but if something goes bad, for sure you'll be asked to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: But now things are different. Not since the 1980s, and before that never, has there been this much M&A activity, share buybacks and privatization. While this boosts share prices in the short term, as privateers bid up the price in a takeover, there's a huge downstream cost: the company is no longer public. You don't get to profit from it unless you work for it. Each privatized company, or the private equity firm
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:35; decimation: that once they are not in the job any more they realize they don't have nearly as many friends as they thought they did. The smarter ones do know this. And that's why so many[?] hang onto power. "
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 01:42:33; decimation: then I heard this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2013/02/glenn_reynolds.html << "Guest: It's funny--one of my friends, who has been a long-term, upper level bureaucrat in Washington said to me his favorite phenomenon to see is these people coming through these usually politically-appointed jobs and, he says: They think everybody loves them. And then they leave the job and they realize that eve
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?"" << AKA argument by "FYIAD"
mircea_popescu: In other words, is it possible that our enemies judge us by our actions, regardless of intent-- and if you support Ahmadenijad on TV, then that counts-- while we retreat into the narcissists' hideout of identity-as-declared, where any actions can be disavowed as "not who we are?""
mircea_popescu: asking here-- that we are the only ones who don't believe these statements were meaningful?
mircea_popescu: "Here's the part Americans can't get: why would Iran put them on TV when everyone is going to know it was forced? Unless you are saying that the Iranians, and only the Iranians, are so completely delusional that they actually believe the servicemen were thankful and apologetic, then this show had to appeal to some broader audience. Other people had to believe this was the real thing. Is it possible-- and I'm just
mircea_popescu: Iranians, and they are not heroes. But I can see that it is ego protective, I can see why they might take this perspective."
mircea_popescu: hose soldiers were thinking, "look, I know who I am, I know I'm not a coward, I'm not helping the Iranians, but I have to do whatever is necessary to get out of this mess." What they are saying is that they can declare who they are, and what they do has no impact on it. "I am a hero, regardless of how I act." That's the narcissist fallacy. Whatever they may think about themselves, the fact is that they did help the
mircea_popescu: "Here's an example I fear no one will understand. The Iranians took 15 British soldiers hostage. The soldiers surrendered without a fight (ironically, so as not to start an international incident), and then pretended to go along with the Iranians. They did the song and dance "we are bad, we are imperialists, Ahmadinejad is good, we're sorry, thanks for being so nice to us" and were eventually released. So I'm sure t
BingoBoingo: Under 100,000 blocks left. OOM kill happened in the interim
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/05/the_wrong_lessons_of_iraq.html << this one's fucking exquisite.
ben_vulpes: these unqualified pronouns don't work too well
decimation: if you go to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com in your browser you can read the past logs of this channel - it is recommended reading
decimation: ah, well this is the right place to learn
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mircea_popescu: im sure that's not what's the impediment
decimation: it's odd that google didn't see fit to send an intern or two over there to digitize what the national archives has
asciilifeform has never yet been to a library where patrons are arse-searched, but there's always a first
decimation: asciilifeform: clearly what you need to do is fashion a tool to 'capture' the microfiche screen
mircea_popescu: well, im pretty sure assbot won't allow it for the future. i didn't know gribble did
decimation: actually there's already a business where people 'resell' 'free' usg records - ancestry.com
BingoBoingo offers for people stuck in USia smelt from the great lakes as small inexpensive oilfish to play with by the pound
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what is remarkable in the above clips ?
asciilifeform: a usg 700k quote magicks into $0 for the right folks, yes.
decimation: "Records of the German Foreign Office Received by the Department of State. Microfilm Publication T120. 5,485 rolls. (Includes records of the German Foreign Office, 1867-1945, and records of the Reichs Chancellery, 1919-1945)." << $685k
asciilifeform: would happily pay this for the nsa papers, but they are not (presently) listed for sale.
asciilifeform: good bit of nsa pile in there also, according to legend
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the 'national archives' nearby your house contains microfiche of captured WWII nazi records?