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ben_vulpes: in other news, people committing LF only files into client repos today...
nubbins`: kakobrekla i think he's concerned about the fact that the "danielpbarron" behind that link isn't necessarily the one in-chan?
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, they gave me a form to submit my request, and i told them to give me OTP to clearsign, and gave them links to that ^
nubbins`: it bothers me that he insists on capitalizing my name
assbot: REMOVE NUBBINS FROM THE DEFAULT TRUST LIST FOR REPEATED TRUST ABUSE ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaH32t )
nubbins`: gotta sell the shinies to someone 8)
mike_c: gpg sign proves you have the key, not that key & nick are related.
ben_vulpes: asswot either
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well you could visit people at their ICBM address and ask politely
danielpbarron: there's no command or link in w.b-a.link ?
danielpbarron: is there a way to check the fingerprint of an assbot user?
ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
mike_c: the same thing i do every day.. trying to take over the world.
nubbins`: really tempted to buy another settlers of catan expansion
nubbins`: fwiw the second go-around is key for handling slippery laces
ben_vulpes: when doing the loop, again go around not once...BUT TWICE
ben_vulpes: the full 360 prevents slippage while doing the loop
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It is still a think. Wordpress people keep moving where the target is
ben_vulpes: THE ULTIMATE SHOE TYING SYSTEM
ben_vulpes: totally paste the code in
brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue, or was it fixed in more recent versions? I'm running 4.1 and my xmlrpc.php (http://pastebin.com/6s78Hh5c) doesn't even have a reference to $linea. I don't speal PHP at all, so I'm not sure if I should still paste the replecement code somewhere.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo this is about as deserving of a system as the stack of plates in your kitchen cupboard :)
nubbins`: sorta like how nobody actually lols when they say lol.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: By version control I mean how you handle the screens for various stage
nubbins`: also, who in the world uses a version control system for this sort of thing 8)
assbot: Yanis Varoufakis: How I became an erratic Marxist | News | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1LaxErI )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins' Do you call the version control system you use to manage your silk screen projects nubrub?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Apparently he has a keybase.io according to the gitrub
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i did not see his key in the wot
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: from the author of learn2prog.de
assbot: The Story of the First Ultra Modern Phone Cable Ship - AT&T Archives - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lamxz0 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
brendafdez: ;;later tell mircea_popescu You're squatting the channel ;) http://pastebin.com/YNqdarX7 I could be running some shady business there instead...
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Gotta filter that way for the text to be safe for ego.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Wow, filtered to remove the important
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Think of it as a rescue mission. Save the precious BTC by trying to get them to safe private keys out of the web3.0 grasp.
punkman: btw you can find decent tailors for the girlies at lightinthebox.com, even pauper can afford
assbot: What (You Didn't Know) to Look for in a Corset: 5 Popular Myths Debunked I The Lingerie Addict ... ( http://bit.ly/1CHmqsB )
punkman: in other news, I got those "English Accent Knives", plenty sharp and they did in fact survive accidental drops.
punkman: cazalla, do they still have you at $500 limit?
BingoBoingo: Maybe they had a "Pls don't let Mike ID be stolen here" flag set
punkman: they event stopped sending me SMS codes for every login/deposit
cazalla: strange, i never had to send them a selfie
asciilifeform: (or in the original rhyming proverb, 'доверяй но проверяй')
mod6 thanks asciilifeform for building the portotronic & build script
asciilifeform reminds all therealbitcoin folks to 'trust but verify'
ben_vulpes: i was taking classes in chaos theory, control theory and installing machines for a biologist at the time.
asciilifeform: but my understanding is that they were placed by hand.
asciilifeform: the transistors ?
decimation: asciilifeform: were they individually packaged?
asciilifeform: legend also has it that one of the items secretly salvaged by h. hughes's 'glomar explorer' mega-ship was a collection of such circuits
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before i fall asleep, i remembered to tell, that there actually were 'integrated circuits' in ussr that were built in the way you suggest
ben_vulpes: there was a chinese restaurant up the way that had a drum of cooking oil
ben_vulpes: to find the electric ones
ben_vulpes: made the quarter.
ben_vulpes: someone took pity on me in the warehouse as i worked my way through quarter inch plate with a hand cutter and provided me with an acetylene torch.
asciilifeform: that ought to be obvious to anyone who walks into the workshop
asciilifeform: i did learn the hard way what it does to a grinding wheel
ben_vulpes: the hack was finding the sweet spot in race/bearing hardnesses.
ben_vulpes: there are a few different hardnesses one can achieve.
asciilifeform: even for (what may be) world's smallest lathe
asciilifeform: where it doesn't matter one lick whether material is hardened
asciilifeform: i still think it's odd that the americans never really discovered electrolytic milling
ben_vulpes: 'twas a fine introduction to what could be done in a garage without the military overhead.
asciilifeform did not have the honour of partaking in any such thing
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: minuteman << did you ever read into the 'amateur' rocketry group with whom i dorked around for a while in undergrad?
asciilifeform: that i am having them build simply to see what comes of it
asciilifeform: they skin you on pcb
asciilifeform: anyone's bet whether they'll ship on schedule, and, if so, exactly -what-
decimation: did they charge reasonable prices for the non-'house' parts?
decimation: and then replaced after some operating time presumably
asciilifeform: had to spin up 'when politics were hot' or the like.
asciilifeform: that it was not deemed economical to use jewelled bearing, as americans did, and the oil of a certain inedible bean (forget which) was employed as lubricant
asciilifeform: decimation: there is a legend about this
decimation: I wonder how often they failed
decimation: apparently the gyros operated continuously while in the silo to reduce launch time
decimation: ah "Batteries: There was a battery at the top in the G&C section and also used to power stage III, a battery in the middle stage II and at the bottom for stage I. There was an umbilical cable at top and bottom, from G&C and stage I, to provide silo “battery” power for checkout."
ben_vulpes: if the goal is "compute by the yard", make more yards, not smaller compute.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory. << for the record, this is a hobble.
asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www
asciilifeform: ^ very interesting link, one of the designers spills various technical beans
asciilifeform: but these things had mechanical disks (!), ferrite bead memory (2nd ver.), mechanical vanes, etc
asciilifeform: if you've a way to reliably chill the cold end of thermocouple - sur
decimation: heh yeah probably not for the logic of that day
asciilifeform: that'd be the logical thing.
decimation: I'm surprised they didn't use the heat coming off the nuclear core for some purpose
asciilifeform: my guess is that the rocket itself was viewed as 'redundant'
decimation: well, there are two in the unit "A" and "B"
decimation: well, maybe that's why there are two 'squibs' to release the electrolyte?
asciilifeform: (one might imagine a museum exhibit could have been 'censored' but there is no obvious place in the guidance barrel for a second)
decimation: asciilifeform: I like how the internal schematic is etched on the device
assbot: UK flights chaos: Air traffic control computers using software from the 1960s - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1CH8RH5 )
decimation: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/aviation/11291495/UK-flights-chaos-Air-traffic-control-computers-using-software-from-the-1960s.html < " Prof Thomas said the NAS system was written using a now defunct computer language called Jovial, meaning Nats has to train programmers in Jovial just to maintain the antiquated software. "
mod6: the last 3 commands of that build script never seem to run for some reason
asciilifeform: and is 22mb the stripped elf ?
decimation: maybe the next version will include an ascii-art image of dr. mccarthy
decimation: asciilifeform: did you know that the latest C++ standard includes a lame implementation of 'lambda'?
decimation: I use a BlackBerry mainly because I’m so restricted in what I can do that it’s basically just messages, and it’s still easier for me to tap off the [BlackBerry]. But basically most of my non-work-related stuff, I’m working off the iPad."
decimation: "And you’re still with the BlackBerry, right?
decimation: "So there’s no scenario in which we don’t want really strong encryption. The narrow question is going to be if there is a proper request for … this isn’t bulk collection, this isn’t sort of fishing expeditions by government."
decimation: "I’m as strong as I have been. I think the only concern is our law enforcement is expected to stop every plot. Every attack. Any bomb on a plane. The first time that attack takes place in which it turns out that we had a lead and we couldn’t follow up on it, the public’s going to demand answers." < 'leadership' at its finest
decimation: "Let’s talk about encryption. What’s wrong with what Google and Apple are doing? You have encrypted email — shouldn’t everybody have encrypted email, or have their protections? Everybody should. And I’m a strong believer in strong encryption."
decimation: 'no one' in the sense of anyone employed directly be usg
decimation: it's that no one knows how they work exactly
decimation: indeed, the problem with the machines isn't that they are broken
asciilifeform: so are, one might note, their machines.
decimation: 'the old boys' are retiring
asciilifeform: for the 'old boys'
asciilifeform: other than that, looks perfect
decimation: apparently the 'new' system is a complete rewrite in ada
decimation: yeah the ibm 9020 was programmed in JOVIAL
decimation: back then they were using ancient mainframes that were pitiful in their capabilities
decimation: another example is the 'next gen' faa routing system
decimation: wouldn't you put it in the 'algol' family?
decimation: "23-Jan-2015 MILITARY STANDARD Sixteen-Bit Computer Instruction Set ArchitectureMIL-STD-1750A, dated 12-Apr-2010, remains inactive for newdesign; however, the document is valid for use."
asciilifeform: and guess which are the only two programming languages to have 'rationale manuals' for every aspect of the language ?
asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the ada-related material is thoroughly public
asciilifeform: considering that the sole remaining makers of the product described in that one are chinese...
assbot: The Boeing 777 Flies on 99.9% Ada ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQmXtd )
decimation: http://archive.adaic.com/projects/atwork/boeing.html << "For these projects, Honeywell purchased DDC-I, Inc.'s Ada Compiler System, using it as the front-end source for Honeywell's symbolic debugger. "
asciilifeform: gnat/gcc lacks support for some of the more exotic chips used
asciilifeform: but this being one of the only two programming languages in existence which are -standardized in their entirety-, in principle there is no reason - aside from retardation - to use a proprietary ada
asciilifeform: there are proprietary ada systems, yes. i have not been able to learn who uses them, and for what.
asciilifeform: at any rate, all of the 'standard library' is public
decimation: no it's the real time os I think
asciilifeform: for which the chumps, yes, pay
asciilifeform: the certificate has nothing to do with ada per se
decimation: I guess the difference is the 'usg certificate'
asciilifeform: (one of the conditions for the ancient usg mandate establishing ada 'foundation' is that the product must be gpl'ed)
decimation: the trouble is that it seems the real toolchains used by these projects are all $$$ commercial
asciilifeform: without the 'bondage & discipline' stylistic aspects
asciilifeform: as in, something that actually provides the same functionality
asciilifeform: i've learned that there is not actually a good substitute for ada, as of yet.
asciilifeform for one would rather not have HF in his kitchen
decimation: but not the orders of magnitude needed
decimation: there have been incremental improvements
asciilifeform: the energy required to melt Si is ever the same
asciilifeform: high vacuum, for instance, is still achieved in much the same ways as in 1930s
decimation: they get more expensive, depending on your inflation factor
asciilifeform: none of the items that comprise most of the expense have changed since day one.
decimation: then again, I can envision a tradition fab becoming cheaper
asciilifeform: good thermodynamic reasons to conclude that it is not doable in the general case
decimation: the alternative would be to have some kind of technology that would enable the precise manipulation of atoms at scale
asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities without resort to a $1B factory.
asciilifeform: we don't necessarily need to 'shrink the classical fab'
asciilifeform: that's the wrong thought.
asciilifeform: the only thing that seems certain imho is that starting from existing concept of ic fab is a dead end
asciilifeform: sucks for exactly the same reasons as ordinary fpga
decimation: what if an actual fab created a grid of transistors, and a home laser could 'blow' the appropriate areas for the wanted logic
asciilifeform: as it demands high vacuum, among other finicky and expensive things
asciilifeform: that'd be the extant 'ion beam workstation'
decimation: the beam would spray 'dope' in the appropriate spots?
asciilifeform: the need for a steerable beam process is pretty clear
decimation: not to mention the provision of masks, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: please make sure the fragile externally linked stuff (marked) is mirrored
BingoBoingo: Cool, I'll get to assembling the package
asciilifeform: but otherwise ready to roll, imho.
asciilifeform: (there are links to linkify and images to imagify)
cazalla: thestringpuller, i thought failure rate due to fraud would be hi gher
mike_c: the body says it is closing for good
mike_c: oh, confusing. maybe just change the title?
assbot: The FinFisher/FinSpy story, for posterity. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/19uwZFR )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The paragraph under this roman numberal? http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-airgap-a-practical-guide/#identifier_6_49997
asciilifeform: can someone dredge up mircea_popescu's old article which mentioned the imperative to use nonstandard computing arrangements to frustrate 'one size fits all' usg idiocies ?
assbot: Deinopis subrufa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/19uvuas )
BingoBoingo: 512 days of history left for 0.7.2 "Why the fuck" edition to sync
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pls GPG the paste site submissions
cazalla: either or
BingoBoingo: just like pete did is fine https://dpaste.de/TXNN/raw emailing photos is is prolly the best way to get them in. emailing text works too.
asciilifeform: but there are thing that ought to be said
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Basically. Your shiva hands are full though. In understand if this is a least interesting problem you could fill them with.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: an article about how 500 other articles sucked donkey balls ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The part where other outlets sucked at covering it.
ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands.
cazalla: i actually saw this the other day https://twitter.com/CAVIRTEX/status/567328589993897984 but let it slide as the website said something a little different (BTC and LTC wallets have been disabled due to a known issue. All customer funds are safe. Please be patient while we address the issue.)and i figured it would turn out as a nothing, way to be wrong eh
mike_c: and that's simply the first one i noticed, i didn't continue to find others
mike_c: note they have same fingerprint, but with chashew the keyid and fingerprint don't match
mike_c: nanotube: here's the weirdness:
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the sheer amount of smoke and misdirection being sprayed over the disk diddler article is epic << Interested in producing a likbez for qntra on this sort of disinformation, in this case specifically?
Adlai: incidentally, she did to, as will the doge
Adlai: the vast majority of the data in memory is hardly ever touched and belongs in some less volatile storage
Adlai: swap is there as a failsafe, it ran just fine 101 days without it, but i'd rather not take chances if things go crazy while i'm asleep
Adlai: it's 3 images for 4 bots, the two on the same exchange share an image; it's currently *possible* to run multiple on multiple exchanges from the same image, see 'lazyness etc'
asciilifeform: (rather than sbcl threads)
asciilifeform: also why exactly are the separate instances running as separate unix processes
Adlai: some mix of: lazyness, the desire to periodically load my code into a fresh image, and ansi cl portability
asciilifeform: at the lowest possible end.
asciilifeform: unless you're in the physics model business, that's -still- enough for any sane application
Adlai theoretically should migrate scalpl to somesuch bare minimum hosting... but the current box hasn't broken yet, so there's nothing to fix!
nanotube: <mircea_popescu> nanotube ^ can two nicks have same gpg fingerprint ? <- nope, gribble checks upon registration if the key is already in use.
asciilifeform: but they've largely succeeded in destroying the 'golden median' between goldentoilet and vm crapola
asciilifeform: now, despite fact that 'you get what you pay,' the sc4mz0rz who try to herd common folks into 'enterprisey' golden toilet service contracts are still scum
Adlai: asciilifeform: ok, $25/mo was seeming awfully cheap for a datacenter where customers visit their inmates
ben_vulpes: ty nevertheless
asciilifeform: Adlai: if it's a vm, it passes all known tests for physicality (incl. timing) and the hypothetical fakers should not settle for the small change of running a hosting co., but go into malware
ben_vulpes: just 'cause this one has css doesn't change the selection process.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did learn how to read a datasheet in the mines.
Adlai: "i'm renting a physical *(yes)* box" <- as in, "have i visited the box personally and confirmed that it occupies the same reality as me? _yes_"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: generally, you get what you pay for and 'tanstaafl.' the 25 usd box (if they've any left) won't be a 64-core pleasureopteron
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not the best shop in the world, but doesn't suck donkey balls in exactly the way most of'em do
pete_dushenski: though they apparently "intend" to "communicate" with "loyal shareholders"
jurov: pete_dushenski: did you mention how many bitcoins(from IPO) have they walked away with?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla i forgot a title! please to consider "CAVIRTEX, the biggest Bitcoin exchange in Canada, closes doors out of embarrassment "
pete_dushenski: ^featuring the late great mike hearn
assbot: The fable of willful ignorance. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTS2Gz )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in yet unrelated, yet other news,
Adlai: gotta push the $ in $napcash
thestringpuller: They need more mone already?!?!?
asciilifeform: but finally agreed to take the money...
asciilifeform: the shop is a very new one ('macrofab') and their ordering gizmo is buggy as all hell
asciilifeform: (these were rng boards, which are analogue devices and for which i have means of testing conformance to spec)
asciilifeform: costing almost exactly their weight in gold
asciilifeform: in other news
thestringpuller: the power rangers have outdone themselves this time...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: holy fuck this thing completely fucks up the blockchain. (0.10)
danielpbarron: also, the links to the public log from s.b-a.link add an extra unnecessary '/' in the root directory
asciilifeform: 'Blocks will be stored on disk out of order (in the order they are received, really), which makes it incompatible with some tools or other programs. Reindexing using earlier versions will also not work anymore as a result of this. The block index database will now hold headers for which no block is stored on disk, which earlier versions won’t support.'
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/v2.log.txt << it looks like the "version 2" thing got up to 5% of the hashrate and then dropped down to 1% over the course of the last week or so
danielpbarron: bu-but.. the forum poll said it had 60% support!? how can this 1% be?
punkman: oh and they are already talking about version 4
danielpbarron: SetBestChain: 1 of last 100 blocks above version 2 << anyone else seeing this in their .bitcoin/debug.log ? does it have to do with 0.10 coming out?
kakobrekla: this takes us another step further away from a potential cross sync doesnt it
mike_c: i'd like to have unique constraint on fingerprint. maybe boot the offending nicks from the db?
kakobrekla: there are?
mike_c: but there are.
mike_c: i want there not to be dupe keys.
mike_c: jurov: but which way do they lean? to kick you or to tell complainer to piss off?
asciilifeform: but this is not a problem i have had the honour of having
jurov: aws will forward them to yo
mike_c: (not sure if aws would either on that count..)
mike_c: did you get abuse reports? did they stand up to those?
asciilifeform: didn't kick, either
jurov: "remained standing" isn't hard. "they didn't kicked me" is.
asciilifeform: the sheer audacity of the industry bamboozlement virtually everywhere - is astonishing
mike_c: the hidden cost is when it eats shit.
jurov: and you're buying, like 10 of them?
mike_c: so if you resold x of them, you could charge $2 per hr / x.
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