decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah the high deductible/hsa hack is a good deal
ben_vulpes: give it three years i won't be able to get the hypothetical children on a plane because the measles risk from unvaccinated retards is too high.
mircea_popescu: jurov: "any number of small independent problems can be solved by one complex interdependent solution" << basic retard motto. "solve everything throiug the group yo! socialism ftw!"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;; later tell PeterL : <mircea_popescu> PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer." << Sigma charges $336/gram for blow... get in on that shit.
mircea_popescu: PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? << "A lot of money, and I am open for an excellent offer."
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2015 06:15:04; ben_vulpes: 'fyiad' << worst part about living here is the misery endured to scrape food credits together
ben_vulpes: this is the one small win in my life
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You are they guy who doesn't realize he isn't even shoveling coal
ben_vulpes: this healthcare thing is a shitshow but i think i found the hack
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: How else do you disarm a population than by feedint its replacements shit and making them love it?
BingoBoingo: I have yet to determine though whether "web application development" or "introduction to cataloguing" was worse for the soul.
BingoBoingo: Instructor was not very happy in cataloging class when I suggested I turn in my homework on cassette tape as it resembles the media most that MARC was made for.
BingoBoingo: Other library school particular onstacle to windows exodus is catalogging class with OCLC turd
asciilifeform: aha assumed 30 or the like given 'odometer rolled'
asciilifeform: then again, also don't need voting for anything in particular
BingoBoingo: At this moment I am convinced that even in the absence of a crypto exploit for multisig the PR campaign persists to standardize a set of worst practices as "ISO"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein i thought chomsky had pretty much the best points.
BingoBoingo: i.e. Actual bum on the street who racks up 15 millions in US deficit via ER frequent flying gets a trophy.
BingoBoingo: decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos?
decimation: that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum
decimation: mircea_popescu: "what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"" < aye, and he should have said "I cannot accomplish that which you desire"
BingoBoingo: trinque: But some months are much slower than the ones that follow. November 2013 sucked. December 2013 zipping by.
BingoBoingo: Could you imagine if the pdp-8 got full of ocelot dander?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today. << I was more concerned with the 'actual' smells.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Well I was off by 100,00 blocks, but looking at the blocksize chart it is really hard to say.
asciilifeform: and who among us (other than possibly mircea_popescu) would not rather do something involving a pdp-8 than what they did today.
asciilifeform: (other thing about pdp-8 - ferrite bead 'core' memory. what is one to substitute for it, if avoiding modern ic?)
asciilifeform: last thing i'll say about this for now is that it is a grave mistake to rebuild these starvation-camp machines as 'dawn of year zero.' these impossibly cramped programmable calculators are how we ended up with a braindamaged computing stack in the first place
asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.'
asciilifeform: http://www.pdp8.net/straight8/functional_restore.shtml << pdp-8 made of discrete transistors in the first model. note the details:
asciilifeform: another thing to remember is path delays...
asciilifeform: ^ has others
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'm running at about a block every 45sec to 1:30 on 339018 << Are you really sure you want to be using btcd instead of bitcoind then? November 2013 was the most brutal month I've sync'd so far this round and no where near that bad on this wimpy machine
BingoBoingo: I was more loling at libertard reddit suggesting the rice trick attracts azns to fix the phone. But yes. Clumsy then toasting phone then bragging suggests compiled in the womb without the -SHAME flag set
asciilifeform: do these folks have sense of shame wire crossed with something ?
asciilifeform: if i lost xx btc by tripping over a cord, or the like, last thing i'd think to do is to publicly 'brag'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers? << Sometime in 2013 on Tardstalk to celebrate advent of the "ASIC Age" I drunkenly pr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts << here i am, lol
asciilifeform: jurov: z80 is closer to teletype than to any modern cpu << again nope. here's a suggested exercise for everyone: take the z80 (find a die shot or whatever) and zoom it out to make the transistors discrete. how much physical space will this occupy? how many tonnes of copper wire? how many hundreds kWatt of power used? for chillers?
asciilifeform: jurov: ... say it takes 10 cycles per average instruction, at 8MHz, ecdsa is about 500k steps << memory is by far the more merciless constraint
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost << absolutely. but it is important to understand that a z80 (or even intel 4004) is far, far closer to the 'pentium' than to anything that has ever been built entirely at home from discretes
asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either...
mod6: one turd to rule them all...
jurov: inb4 "Our SystemD in the clouds, hallowed be zer name, zer kingdom cometh...
jurov: and all the incantations before it
cazalla: going back to the circle selfie request from earlier, wonder how much of this they get https://www.reddit.com/comments/2wai34/slug/cop45k9
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PeterL: oh, and their website requires flash, which is no longer supports Linux systems or MacOS < 10.6, bleh (I ended up using my smartphone instead)
trinque: PeterL: "I would prefer to hear your offer and work from there."
PeterL: "I made X before, but I expect to be paid 2X (and I would take the job if you offer me 1/2 X)"
PeterL: and I hate the question "how much did your last job pay, and what do you expect to get paid"? Are they going to throw out my resume if I say too high a number? Obviously they won't go above the number I say, right?
PeterL: a couple jobs ago, when I interviewed the guy grabbed a random coworker and asked "don't you like working here", they were like "ummmmmmm, sure?" that should have been a sign, but I took job anyway
lobbes: after one of my last interviews I almost would've preferred that; the dude was so dejected it was depressing
PeterL: what is the world coming to when you talk to a computer instead of a person when interviewing for a job?
PeterL: just did a "digital job interview" with BASF, consisted of just recording a video of me answering the typical interview questions.
pete_dushenski: fuckin eh this silbert guy thinks that he can avoid the fate of hearn and gavin
pete_dushenski: and alan "not a us agent" silbert is already pleading ignorance: "I don't recall- has the market ever gone down AFTER these auctions occur? B/c I don't think anybody buying at auction would dump them on mkt"
mike_c: they've sold what, 80k so far?
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mircea_popescu: dude, seriously, they need a lot better content, wtf.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: it was gpg rules everything around me GREAM...get the hashes crypto crypto crypto coin. iirc
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: cause zhe is like all into scrabble and hates the lack of zwords so zhe made zsome.
mircea_popescu: btw, i bet you half a dead badger someone ejaculated on vs any trading card mythological beast that this entire z-ification of words is a ploy by some well connected (online) otaku to improve the scrabble board.
mircea_popescu: it's a concept hard to zunderstand zfor zthe zretard zcrowd, however let us say it's "sort-of like likes", in that there's kind-of a limited supply.
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:53:13; ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
mircea_popescu: plus the beard.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: it's a hobby << you and danielpbarron have a lot more in common than either of you realise.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck seriously thinks the their in "everyone must have their books" could possibly mean "all the books"
mircea_popescu: no. this is the king's english.
ben_vulpes: bring back the rota
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens once mp refuses to fork english to make the pronoun blocks more inclusive ?
kakobrekla: that could be punishing the readers
kakobrekla: anyway theres 20 bashes waiting for moderation if someone wants to give it a go..
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:49:27; nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023575 << and zher rather than zhis is obviously because the argument isn't what it's being presented as, but something quite else entirely.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << conversely, if some hehigh officialman such as the manpresidentguy fucked a dog^H^H^H bitch
mike_c: ben_vulpes: that was when I was auctioning off options in channel. the good old days.
mircea_popescu: gotta preserve the stupid!
mircea_popescu: because that's the libertard thinking, if anyone makes fun of his idiocy then therefore they may no longer exist
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: probably because the last thing i recall doing on github had something to do with making fun of gender pronouns << certainly.
ben_vulpes: all the points.
ben_vulpes: it was in the bash at one point
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-02-2015#1023516 << i don't uinderstand... why making a statementy and signing it with the key in question is no good ?
ben_vulpes: i kinda stopped watching the bash when my great bashes all got flushed
assbot: Logged on 18-02-2015 14:19:21; ben_vulpes: that's like the second eyeroll i've had cuz of irc in 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: brendafdez: I was wondering if the Wordpress pingback DDoS is still an issue << it was never fixed. they just "Refactored" the code to preserve all th bugs but break people's ability to find them. someone in the comment section did the work and identified the new form of the ancient bug.
mircea_popescu: either this chick has the most bizarre sense of humor that also happens to not translate well, or else she's insane.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez :I could be running some shady business there instead... << wut ?!
mircea_popescu: ie, "gotta do all the running you can just to stay put" thing ?
ben_vulpes: peacock feathers, gate sizes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: either a 'loose lips' or - more likely - ancient disinfo reworked for www << that.
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the prices for slaves would look like if the market was suddenly deluged with 300mn lazy, self entitled, "Consumers have come to expect" ish people.
mircea_popescu: or if not, we're repossessing all of the person's 5 billion cars, or whatever, 200 billion ipads.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, one could pay in heads of cattle. fifty billion of them or so.
kakobrekla: Adlai there doesn't have to be a difference to argue about it. See http://pwbelectronics.co.uk/whatamess.html
mircea_popescu: ie, every single us citizen is to hang for the debt. himself. personally. for the whole sum of it, 50 trillion or w/e it is.
nubbins`: might as well blame the wind. what's to gain?
mircea_popescu: i do not mean "the public" collectively.
nubbins`: blaming the public is kinda pointless too
mircea_popescu: and his point is entirely valid : when it comes to idiocy, blaming obama is pointless. blame the public.
mircea_popescu: what he is saying is, "you can not give me an unbounded task and then expect me to reason about it. you already set the tone as metaphysical by your task description"
Adlai: note that in this case both would technically be "organic", but one side has the moral superiority of whatever the "organic" buzzword stands for
mircea_popescu: decimation: < 'leadership' at its finest << no, he has a point, and it's perhaps the first time i've seen obama say something intelligent.
Adlai: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: spies are worse than they ever were in the history of the world, with the exception of 1200.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it generally is.
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure the us had this too, even if i wasn't there t o witness, for reasons like the beginning of gate's career, when he was a whiny turd outcast at computer conventions.
mircea_popescu: it's not so much a "i want those guys back" as it is "i want the situaiton where being 20 and into computers was more distinctive than any other thing - and you could spot a govt mole from a mile away"
jurov: well, i know some too. very few of them improved so much that they would be able to implement bitcoin
jurov: lol you idealize it. they were involved exactly because it was simple, unlike any crypto
mircea_popescu: the reason z80 era was secure was because governments, generally, COULD NOT be involved
mircea_popescu: a large portion of the insecurity today is due to the fact that people like poettering CAN be involved.
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mircea_popescu: not exactly. but to reconstruct the universe of people who made and played those, and their thoughts and ideas.
mircea_popescu: i did. but nobody had a clue to tap them.
jurov: as long as you made no transactions involving wires or floppies, then yes.
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nubbins`: ;;google "death comes quick for these types"
mircea_popescu: then...
mircea_popescu: but regardless, that's not how death comes to it. death comes to it like bitcoin came to the usd : first, it's a toy.
jurov: there is. teletype and such
mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't hardware you can trust.
jurov: what specifically "there isn't"?
mircea_popescu: jurov there isn't.
jurov: when there's a restaurant 1000x faster?
mircea_popescu: if the only way to make a secure signature is to take a day to do it, heck, you'll take a day.
mircea_popescu: this is false : when there is no alternative, no one "doesn't use" it because aesthetics.
mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion is along the lines of "nobody will use bitcoin if transactions take > x arbitrary time"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: but to somehow lay out electrical logic elements at the customary densities << you're right that it's the wrong thought, and also, "customary" - honestly even making something like a z80, as long as it can be made at home, with equipment costing about what a z80 cost, is well worth it.
mircea_popescu: holy shit trilema was discussing the "hard drtives discovery" a year ago ?
mircea_popescu: "Yet another article describing what we've known for a while : secure computing is in fact rendered impossible by the hardware itself, what with DMAi, what with defective separation of controlii with CPUs embedded in all the peripherals anyway and so on and so forth."
jurov: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: run away further!
mircea_popescu: it's probably the antichrist.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: safe and secure in the ca government's hands. << fountains gotta fountain.
PeterL: I gave it to her/him/zhim, the thing was hers/his/???
mircea_popescu: the dog treat[ment]!
PeterL: "she was walking her dog down street, gave her a treat", "he was walking down the street with his dog, gave him a treat"
PeterL: myself, I sometimes use the pronoun "e" in place of he/she
PeterL: I seem to remember in middle English they used something like "hir" for both genders?
nubbins`: thestringpuller "trusted" is a relative term, yo!
PeterL: !up thestringpuller
nubbins`: "The thing is, I don't think there will ever be mass adoption of the system as it exist today. The 'average Joe' will be using some payment processor and not the blockchain directly. So the blockchain will have transactions from payment processors and early adopters/enthusiasts. The rest will be in closed systems and/or side chains that can solve a lot of the volume issues."
nubbins`: maybe if you just come to the community and openly admit you spent 10k btc on cocaine
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dunno that they are awake yet
nubbins`: "wow, there must be millions of cod in those waters"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kinda speaks to the need for a disposable btc addr you can use to get yourself !up
nubbins`: asciilifeform maybe that's the exuberance
kakobrekla: actually that is quite an achievement for the pos bcore and rpi are
nubbins`: that's how they get ya
nubbins`: in fairness, the same dollar amount is worth less each time you buy one 8)
asciilifeform: pay same, get half, then half again...
asciilifeform: which eventually ended up with 2MB in which no linux of the time would sit down
asciilifeform: incidentally, the ram penny-pinching ought to be familiar to veterans of the old linksys wrt linux router
asciilifeform: i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD << when this is through there will be no need to boot from anything but the internal eeprom
kakobrekla: but version number just tells you the version number
asciilifeform: yep but it has twice the memory << unfortunately, not so simple. the -previous generation- of both devices cost the same and had 2x the ram. they are no longer available new anywhere i know of
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: My keys are airgapped, as in I am physically separated from access cause I don't have something secure to shuttle them en-mobile. I.e. cardano....
asciilifeform: the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA << correct. costs ~$6 less
jurov: !up thestringpuller
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'bury brigade' is slacking today...
kakobrekla: i actually compute the neg rates atm, just dont show em
jurov: kakobrekla: yes you can. but if you don't bother to run the query, make the NULLs recognizable
nubbins`: danielpbarron now there's a torrent i'd seed
nubbins`: also i think the purple logo won't boot off an SD?
ben_vulpes: what's up with your keys, thestringpuller?
nubbins`: well that's the one i have
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ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller
nubbins`: as an aside, the pogoplug MOBILE (blue logo) does NOT accept SATA
jurov: kakobrekla okay then, it can be queried extra
nubbins`: there's also arch linux arm
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BingoBoingo: Nah, see the canonical example "It puts the lotion in the basket." "It puts the lotion on the skin or it gets the hose again"
ben_vulpes: google in the red, and aws barely ekeing out 6.9
jurov: The zh words would help refer to God: for Zhe is just, and Zher love for humanity endless, and we worship Zhim
ben_vulpes: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/02/tech-leads-the-way/ << look, microshit beat facebutts!
nubbins`: i prefer to use "they" as a gender neutral pronoun
BingoBoingo: Seriously when people insist on gender neutral pronouns your choices are it in the singular and they in the plural. Or... nouns still exists.
nubbins`: "everyone must have zher books" is categorically NOT less awkward than any other english sentence that does not contain the "word" "zher"
BingoBoingo: "And if some high official, such as the president, says it will use gender-neutral pronouns for its own writing, and ask that those writing to it do so also, that would provide a powerful boost." << Ther fixed with objectification
nubbins`: Save us from confusing grammar such as “everyone must have their books.” Make it instead “everyone must have zher books.” It then becomes clear that each person must have one’s own book and not the books of all the others. It is also shorter and less awkward than having to say “his or her” all the time.
nubbins`: "And if some high official, such as the president, says zhe will use gender-neutral pronouns for zher own writing, and ask that those writing to zhim do so also, that would provide a powerful boost."
nubbins`: "The pronoun “one” would not do here: “One was walking one’s dog down the street and then gave one a treat”"
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kakobrekla: also the bibletronics
ben_vulpes: utf-8 all the things