PeterL: so I'm looking at houses near some of the jobs I'm applying for, I know I really don't want to live inside Detroit, but 15k for a 4br/2ba house seems tempting
ascii_field: (must confess that i have not tested that particular incarnation, however. but my pogo has not once overheated or shown any signs of hardware failure. has been running more or less round the clock since purchase.)
ascii_field: jurov: it's unstable << i'm gonna guess that the unstable part is the proprietary nas app that comes with 'pogo'
ascii_field: 'multisig' << can we start saying 'key escrow' whenever some moron put the word 'multisig' ?
assbot: The Great SIM Heist: How Spies Stole the Keys to the Encryption Castle ... ( http://bit.ly/1AanO7k )
Apocalyptic: "right now I'm trusting Gemalto" lel given https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/
pete_dushenski: let's say in the soviet style used for nukes and satellites
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: now that's a different story
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: how about hypothetical enemy who is competent who just wants to straight up smash bitcoin
jurov: ^ apparently this ships in the EU
pete_dushenski: so in your hypothetical gavin doesn't suck at life ?
thestringpuller: humor me hypothetical of MP and Gavin joining forces after declaration of war?
pete_dushenski: but as with nazi case, the tune can change if a suitable use case is found
PeterL: pete_dushenski: "not that this is the worst thing to be have foisted upon you" << lose either be or have
pete_dushenski: trusted parties will stick together and only play nice when it's +ev
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well allies and enemies are generally relative. I think La Serenissima creates a republic where it dictates the scene.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The way it is hard makes it fun. Eating pinecones also hard, not fun.
PeterL: thestringpuller: is it worth watching?
assbot: Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1zqMHIf )
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ping http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/#comment-11108
thestringpuller: plot ensues from there
ben_vulpes: but ffs read tlp - there's no actually knowing anything about the numbers or what they mean
PeterL: but the birth rate is going down
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: the cryptopaladin!
ben_vulpes: a something-or-other
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you can google yourself, i'm not actually in a theological debate here.
pete_dushenski: but the literary flourishes were less so
pete_dushenski: i'm sure the counts were reliable
ben_vulpes: and how reliable were the counts
PeterL: maybe somebody mistranslated a time unit somewhere along the way?
thestringpuller: and letting them guzzle high fructose corn syurp
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: mk well, rock of salt the size of an asteroid and all that.
ben_vulpes: medicalization of individuality factored out, if the numbers are to believed and aren't a cultural artifact i'm guessing that increased age of conception is driving some of the increase (if it even exists)
thestringpuller: before the Ark.
thestringpuller: didn't people live to be like 300 then tho?
ben_vulpes: as the machinery wears out, it...wears out.
PeterL: You might be thinking of Down's Syndrome, that has a higher occurrence in older mothers
PeterL: ben_vulpes: my nephew is the oldest in his family, has autism but younger siblings don't
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: my mother was nearly 40 when she had me. no autism here.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << isn't the best way to achieve this to have kids while the womb in question is young, flexible and healthy and the sperms ibid?
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> [] decimation> that should be the bar for voting - if you don't have your $185k, you can't vote, because you are literally a bum << Maybe there should be trophies for certain people who inflicted directly and personally more than that damage on the fiat system without being politicos? << most offensive thing about being born here is how one's effectively born into slavery for others obligations.
pete_dushenski: the moat is too deep
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: dunno how they are able to keep up with demand given...snow and stuff
BingoBoingo: cannabis and silver are largely the same thing monetarily, inflation a huge problem. Gold less so. Bitcoin far less so.
NewLiberty: But having minted a fair share of silver, I have some opinions on the use of "dollar" as that paper drek
NewLiberty: "bitcoin will kill the dollar"
NewLiberty: But the word is not what is commonly referred to as a dollar
NewLiberty: The current proposal is a software engineering approach to a science problem
pete_dushenski: right now you're saying 'just the tip'
NewLiberty: "If this forks as currently proposed, I'll be selling all my BTC on Gavin's fork and mining on the other. I suspect I will not be the only one."
assbot: Increasing the block size is a good idea; 50%/year is probably too aggressive ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lf0uXV )
pete_dushenski: wondering if ross j anderson is in the right direction...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
NewLiberty: I use bitcoin in commerce, and yes, would rather not have to outbid folks to get my transaction in
pete_dushenski: jurov: if the cc fraudsters who pwned maison de btc are any indication, i'm sure mike_c can jump that hurdle
mike_c: jurov: yeah, the ones i am looking at don't require that. eurodns is offering them for sale, I have just never heard of them.
pete_dushenski: wondering when he "went mole" so i can spare myself reading anything thereafter
BingoBoingo: I'm concerned by the lack of names
pete_dushenski: ^they accept btc donations :)
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pete_dushenski still has yet to play with much other than debian on vps for node
BingoBoingo is rather happy with OpenBSD's handling of laptop
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It seems a variety of places. It isn't the biggest spike, but it definitely is one.
pete_dushenski: do you run them both atm ?
pete_dushenski: speaking of asciilifeform's piece, is it fair to assume that other unix-likes include debian and osx ? what of gentoo ?
lobbes is orgiginally from MA. Was amused by the abundance of Jesus billboards and anti-abortion propaganda littering the sides of roads
BingoBoingo: lobbes: A bit wester and still further middle
lobbes: BingoBoingo: Weather here in the Middle West is nothing if not inconsistent << whereabouts are you? Ohio-bound over here.
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BingoBoingo: Also looking forward to the buyer's remorse this next US election cycle when everyone gets to see that of the two Bush brothers the dumber, less capable one actually was President for 8 years.
BingoBoingo: It's under 0 degrees F here atm. Two weeks ago the high was over 60 degrees F.
BingoBoingo: One day I wanted to take the hajj to Florida to watch the spring training games. At the moment though it is a reminder it will eventually stop being balls cold.
BingoBoingo: In other news today Pitchers and Catchers report to Spring Training. Baseball season is almost upon us.
brendafdez: hah, I linked to the shadow foundation on a mailing list and a facebook group recently, but it falls on deaf ears
chetty: join the real one :P
brendafdez: if I say not at all, it's like I didn0t make it in their eyes, im missing out on being part of the foundation
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Just say you are liking the shadow foundation more lately
brendafdez: and they are convince the "president of the Argentine Bitcoin Foundation" really matters. It's amusing that said foundation doesn't even exist. But I get asked all the time if i'm part of it, they take me more seriously when I say yes xD
BingoBoingo: You just have to remember that New York has become more third world than even Nuevo Laredo. They don't even has cash in New York anymore.
brendafdez: they love anything that can be portrayed in a bad light as the shady things that happen in this third world country. Like using bitcoin to avoid selling the usd to the government and then selling the bitcoins in the street
brendafdez: we're meeting now in an hour at a local 'Subway' and then they are coming with me seeing how people buy and sell bitcoins for stacks of cash, which always amuses them, they love seeing the 'stakcks of cash', which is not uncommon here with the largest denomination bill being 8 USD
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Of course they would take you most seriously if you mention it. Their political officer is definitely aware of qntra.
chetty: now that would indeed be a super cool event, I'll buy the lunch if you pull that off
brendafdez: they won't mention it as anything other than a website from 1993, it's above their head, they only realize it when it's too late. They wouldn't take me srlsly if i show them that xD
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: I will be very grateful if you get them to mention the great multinational journalism venture qntra which is eating their lunch on the Bitcoin subject, and they follow through by mentioning it in their piece.
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: It will probably ingratiate you to no end with the NYtimes people if you point out that noone in Argentina seems as dangerous as that NYPD street gang
BingoBoingo: It was indeed. That approach helped S.Dice Erik tremendously when the SEC knocked his door
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Point them to this one in particular maybe? http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institutions-a-guide/
chetty: brendafdez, just point the guy to MP article, save everyone a lot of time (after you get your free lunch of course)
brendafdez: Well, if I ever get into the adware business I'll package it as a 'miner' and sponsor bitcoin conferences, no doubt
BingoBoingo: Nah, it is what it is. Natural hazard of the Windows ecosystem.
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brendafdez: amazon still has it in their kindles
BingoBoingo: brendafdez: Sony actually used to have an option (extra $50 US or so) to not have factory adware on your computer when they ship it
brendafdez: Having the adware preinstalled sort of spares the user the time and ensures they get a consistent experience with a box compromised from the get go. It's an integral part of the user experience, they wouldn't feel right without the bloat and the ads.
brendafdez: Last time was also Pete from Coindesk, he interviewed all the poeple claiming to run 'exchanges' here. There are a huge numer of such 'exchanges', most of which don't even exist like coinmelon (refered to by mp as coinmuon bc of the sign at the doorbell). Then there's Latincoin, which is also there athe 'embassy' and also doesn't even exist and is only piching to 'investors' to get money with no product. Last time they were asking for $7
brendafdez: I didn't ask him what move him. He's very interested in 'seeing the black market in action'. They see it in an amusing light, as if that's a bad thing or something, like going around the city with stacks of cash. And that's actually the closest it gets to bitcoin in fiat.
BingoBoingo: <brendafdez> it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here << Thet tend to suck at identifying that, but it could just as much be the orders they recieve from their political commisar
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i wonder how much money that nets them << You probably missed this because winblows free, but for the longest time it was impossible to get computer with winblows that did not have factory installed malware. Popular advice of the time was "reinstall winblows onto new computer"
brendafdez: it's the second time he's in Argentina interviewing the people he *thinks matter in bitcoin here
brendafdez: I'll be seeing a journalist from the NYT today, I was thinking of telling him about b-a
jurov: if it's possible to place 4 such transistors on mm2 then z80 would fit into 20cm2
jurov: lol good discussion started from the z80. now, what if we start with piece of germanium/galena/carborundum/whatever
punkman: cazalla, the pay-per-install stuff always seemed like a bad deal to me, did it work for you?
cazalla: bringing in the bins and what do i see? another scary australian spider staring at me http://i.imgur.com/LUZC73X.jpg
punkman: this might be fun "Comingle.io’s Firaz Peer and Andrew Quitmeyer are developing the prototype for the Electric Eel, a condom that has conductive leads embedded in it for small jolts of stimulation"
mircea_popescu: so if they sold 1mn computers and 1bn ads got replaced somehow that's worth... umm... 50 bux ?
punkman: there's a lot of malware that just replaces ads on google/facebook/etc
mircea_popescu: i wonder how much money that nets them
decimation: the guy's solution was pretty clever - build an oven out of fr4!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still when I look at teams to be on for the next year I consider the players they own paramount.
decimation: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/alien-neill-blomkamp-set-for-new-film-in-iconic-sci-fi-franchise/ < lol. maybe the Aliens will be derpy rhodesians who crowd around in slums
BingoBoingo: I merely hypothesize RGIII as inpet enough to miss mocsony's men definitiomn
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha - i was referring to the earlier mocsny quote
BingoBoingo: RGIII was indeed the physical equivalent of a -CURRENT branch until... his knees
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: RGIII is the strong plowhand carrying you local foosball
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform lives where people behave roughly like mocsny described << You are double fucked. Negro and the turdmaster...
decimation: heh "People who enjoy going to stadiums and cheering on their sports heroes are feeding the monster which torments their genetically disadvantaged offspring." < so true
mircea_popescu: bus driver with person that just got on, that they never met before ? fuck traffic, they're only doing 60 mph in the middle of town in a sardine box.
mircea_popescu: middle of the street ? fine. clerk and person in supermarket queue ? fine. fucking policeman will stop mid arrest and chat with the victim for half an hour.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mocsiny should move to argentina. these derps have no fucking problem striking conversations with complete strangers that take any length of time in spite of not having any content.
mircea_popescu: go to the sauna.
mircea_popescu: "Go to a gym, for example, and see how few of the dozens of men and women there are actually talking to each other." who the fuck wants to talk to some guy in a gym wtf.
mircea_popescu: "When a man sees another man he doesnt know, there isnt usually that studied indifference. If you look at the guy, hell look at you back, and its obvious from his body language that he knows you exist and you could talk to him if you wanted to."
asciilifeform: (related how? in context - missing from archive - of that thread, he theorized that the behaviour spoken of therein was due to the 'misinterpreted' thing mentioned here)
mircea_popescu: hard my foot, ask the same people a useful question instead of a dumb one.
mircea_popescu: how about asking men and women about how many cases they themselves witnessed involving OTHER people ?
mircea_popescu: a) the difference is not even significantly above statistical noise ; b) significant fudge, such as, "women are more likely to self-flatter themselves this particular way" not accounted for in ANY manner.
mircea_popescu: -based study, which found that around 90 percent of women reported that their friendliness had been misperceived at least once in their lifetimes, on average 2.7 times in the last year, with about 70 percent of men reporting having experienced this."
mircea_popescu: "The results were overwhelming: 88 percent of women reported having experienced at least one incident in which their friendliness was misinterpreted as sexual interest by a man, and on average it had occurred about 3.5 times in the last year alone. Men also reported experiencing sexual misperception, but the rate 70.6 percent was far lower. These rates were pretty similar to what was found in the original, U.S.
asciilifeform: when you are discussing a particular bullet fired by the enemy, rather than enemy per se, you may safely assume that it is not intelligent, and thus is the cock of particular rather than universal thread.
asciilifeform: which is possibly the only verdict more dire than 'np-complete'
asciilifeform: the thread-will-meet-the-arse-correctly-but-without-foreknowledge is called 'intelligence' and folks call any solution that calls for it 'ai-complete'
asciilifeform: the cock thread - has to match
decimation: yes, the problem of 'jamming' arbitrary comms (unknown to the designer) is quite difficult
asciilifeform: the ancient ru proverb re: 'for every sly arse, there's a threaded cock' is the relevant one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i sat down originally to write the piece specifically about that
asciilifeform: it cannot know where in the circuit it will be placed
decimation: no, but if you could buy your dies at costco, the enemy would have trouble diddling
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either... << One would rip and sell Gameboy and TI-86 ROMs
asciilifeform: but if 'playing fairly' and using the kind of semiconductors one could hope to produce in jungle workshop, you won't have identically-specced tileable bare dies either...
BingoBoingo: Short answer all the DB's are fucked
decimation: it's kind like the 'punch-out' fpga we were discussing
asciilifeform: rather than naked transistor
asciilifeform: but turns out other folks like to imagine it too
asciilifeform: and who has not heard of craftsmen 'horseshoeing the flea' etc
asciilifeform: the equipment involved is scarcely even electric
asciilifeform: the mechanicals can be driven with astonishingly small steps, as is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: arbitrarily fine placement is mainly a question of the guidance optics
asciilifeform: (helps if there's some redundancy)
asciilifeform: place the dies, obviously, robotically
mircea_popescu: but foir the sake of argument, made by hand from discrete semi parts.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is thinking of soviet-style metal 'tin can' transistor as being used in the pdp, and is correct
decimation: if you allow logic gate ic's you could reduce the transistor count
mircea_popescu: you kidding me, the thing had glass diodes.
mircea_popescu: no they're not!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the 2 gram shits i had as a kid ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'The backplanes contain 230 cards, approximately 10,148 diodes, 1409 transistors, 5615 resistors, and 1674 capacitors. Cards only used for interconnect were not counted.' << the important point is element miniaturization then vs now. at the time, 1k transistors > 100 lbs. today, 1k tranzistors < 1oz.
decimation: I would be interested if you could feel a blank pcb and a pile of random parts into a machine, press the magic button, and pop out an assembled board
asciilifeform when makes pcb at home, uses the ancestral method - like b&w photo
asciilifeform: whores for the horses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'if wish were horse' etc << if wish were whores they'd be hoarse for the horses ?
BingoBoingo: <decimation> although I would not want to breathe the copper/fiberglass fumes << Better than cold sea sponge farts
decimation: there are a few cnc machines marketed for this purpose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: you can't draw a circuit on a sheet of copper with nonconductive glue either... << don't oppress my genius! if you CUT the copper and the substrate is Conveniently Chosen (TM) it might work!
decimation: there is a funny thing about 'professions'. if you like to kill animals, being a vet is a great idea
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah it would be depressing either way
BingoBoingo: I'm still jsut amazed by the difference between 8 yo scared of other people and labeled autistm-ish vs. HS lots of social connections constantly tired West nile and no one cares
decimation: if I were a psychiatrist I would be all about treating 'needy' suburbanites rather than being part of the urban internal security service
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might as well put my name on the wot job. looks like i'm doing it.
decimation: well, as has been covered by tlp, there is much profit to be made in labeling pathologies
BingoBoingo: I tend towards much of the "diagnosis" that begets pathology not being such at all
decimation: perhaps 'geek parents' having children at >35 has something to do with the autism rates
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism' << For a period of time my parents thought they autism'd me with vaccines
decimation: I would bet that if you asked the parents of the non-vaccinated, they would say that they want to 'prevent autism'
asciilifeform: but ended up being 'don't play with rotting corpses in the streets'
asciilifeform: to go with the plague thread - it was meant to be a summary, of sorts, of the pathology;
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mike_c: <+BingoBoingo> http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. << I agree. awesome article asciilifeform.
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping << This part, also vermont which threatens dpb directly
asciilifeform: the funny part is that it is mostly the children of the less-poor (california, clustered around enclaves of mega-bezzle) who are dropping
BingoBoingo: Rights is exactly the wrong argument here
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think a better solution is to hide sick people away, checking in on them every week and not letting them return to society until the illness is gone << You forget water is one dirty bitch
mike_c: the vaccine isn't 100%. i'm not that crazy about it though. i figure a few more outbreaks and this no-vaccince fad will go away quickly.
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/your-disk-controller-and-you/ << Prolly the best qntra so far. Imminently applicable to bio chamistry
trinque: two generations out of a high child mortality rate and people think they're bulletproof
mike_c: not most of them
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone. << That
mircea_popescu: it's bs like zona zooster and flu "vaccine" that ruin the otherwise reasonable shit for everyone.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> because of the uncomfortably high chance of acute brain infection leading to permanent damage << Why I don't get measles chickenpox comparisons "But they both itch"
BingoBoingo: <decimation> when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio << k vs M situation
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hanbot: where are the 11 billion encephalitis cases 1850-1950?
mike_c: hm, maybe the acute brain infection will improve your situation
decimation: when the salk vaccine came out, it gave 40k people polio
decimation: there are some who transfer traditional ira/401k to roth, and then withdraw the 'contributions' after 5 years
decimation: 'hsa' is the only tax free money you can withdraw before retirement
ben_vulpes: !up thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: i plan to burn the whole thing down this year.