diana_coman: with the standalone encapsulated dynamic lib approach, I got it to work
diana_coman: in other eulora-client headaches: to get the cpp client to use my ada lib (that I want to keep separate! away from cpp swamp!), it seems I need to make my lib "standalone encapsulated dynamic"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:36 asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885092 << i have a couple and the first one i bought i think had that issue, i didn't bother replacing it, and after first cleaning i believe it went away, or possibly i stopped noticing. the one at my office definitely has clean clicks on all they keys, so if it bothers you perhaps worth replacing
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 16:45 asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885844 << you can also switch between three acceleration modes by, i believe, holding middle button and clicking right button (or similar, should be in the manual)
a111: Logged on 2019-01-09 04:53 hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-09#1886041 << not a bug anymore (last year it was printed as a warning with no effects on the patch, effectively forcing newline always. i then adjusted vdiff to put correct "\ No newline.." directive, while vpatch knows to omit final newline when that directive is present)
lobbes: ty for helping me think this through trinque (and for the work on cuntoo in general. I'ma keep at this thing)
lobbes: trinque: I agree that I could use a more substantive grasp on the script as a whole (and will indeed study moar), however I want to say I'm at least understanding the bit in "create_user.sh" where it calls useradd and passwd, and then adds the $USER to etc/sudoers. I'm just missing -why- the user/password I set through useradd/passwd wasn't working when trying to login. Probably something elementary
a111: Logged on 2018-02-25 19:25 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1785986 << i thought that it was just a helpful warning, but upon reflection i realized that this is actually a bug. investigating it further i took a wrong direction on a diff's command line flag switch, and as it stands if you see this warning it
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 04:31 billymg: hanbot: i put together a patch for the svg links mentioned earlier: http://billymg.com/2019/01/mp-wp-vpatch-update-internal-image-references-to-point-to-svg-extensions/
hanbot: billymg, phf: in billymg's latest mp-wp vpatch (http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885285), i see the old "\ No newline at end of file" spew on two of the touched files (was symptom of bug last yr: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-25#1786014). still indicative of proablem with presser/patch?
trinque: it's not as if the script's setting anyone's password on anything; it's just calling the util that does.
trinque: I recommend you read it, understand what it's doing, and then talk about it from knowledge of substance rather than knowledge of surface.
lobbes: trinque: fair enough, but then I should be able to login with that user right? Or at least chrooting in and setting the root password should've worked (I'd imagine)
trinque: lobbes: why didn't you read the script..
BingoBoingo: Well, in 2014 the screws hadn't much been turned at all
mod6: *nod* I appreciate that asciilifeform, your eyes on such things always are a Good Thing. Not long after I post it, I'll be looking for people to help test the updated HOWTO guide too if anyone feels so inclined. (Please reach out if interested.)
mod6: And I think that makes sense, this isn't my personal project. How this work was done for the foundation should be a public facing thing, and reviewed by people before vpatches published.
asciilifeform: trb has , what, 3x the # of patches, so it'll take you 30m at most.
asciilifeform: mod6: at the risk of sounding like mircea_popescu in earlier thread -- why is this a mega-project ? i reground ffa to keccak in about 10minute (after getting hold of a working keccak-vtron)
mod6 has been working on the big blog post that outlines my work to create the keccak regrind for trb.
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if this is how it worked, "lenin without the nieces". but historically...
asciilifeform: tho not only ( also talked to ben_vulpes and other folx who tuned in prior to asciilifeform )
mircea_popescu: it's still the context. 2014 mp actually talked to ~those~ dorks.
asciilifeform finds good % of the 2014-prior l0gz to be indigestible. (tho regularly goes to read'em anyway)
a111: Logged on 2014-03-18 09:39 LordPutin: what do you mean they haven't? Are they facing legalaction?
mircea_popescu: in other news, reading old logs is something else, my the snr has changed. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-18#565157 << back in 2014 dorky kids still thought "putin" is how you say "cool". in the intervening years -- they, changed not at all. everything around them...
asciilifeform: i dun have the necessary figure yet. hence 'i'ma come back'.
asciilifeform: this is the 'pre-sieve' variant contemplated.
asciilifeform: let's spell out the algo. 1. reg := read_from_fg(2048bits). 2. l = gcd(reg, primorial) 3. if l != 1, goto 1 4. mr = m-r(reg, shots) 5. if mr != true, goto 1. 6. reg is probabilistically-prime .
asciilifeform: the ~minimal~ count
asciilifeform: then you only m-r on inputs that already passed gcd
asciilifeform: ~doing~ the gcd pre-sieve
asciilifeform: the opposite
mircea_popescu: what does ? not bothering to gcd ?
asciilifeform: it potentially frees up cpu for moar shots of m-r, was the idea
mircea_popescu: gcding small primes doesn't reduce the m-r constant.
mircea_popescu: why overload the machinery with unreliable testing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform IF rm doesn't take much time, THEN i don't see the point of doing any gcd. because r-m is a complete test for what we need, and gcd is not.
asciilifeform: i'ma come back to this binomial once i have the m-r.
asciilifeform: the interesting thing about m-r however, is that it can make use of any available cpu given to it, to produce smaller probability of death
asciilifeform: ( and that on iron where m-r ends up taking substantially less time than FG takes to fill up candidate reg, there may not be a point to pre-sieving )
asciilifeform: my observation was that on a box with 1 FG, the latter will almost certainly be the limiting reactant in prime-baking.
asciilifeform: of what ? that's the obv. version ( get from rng, until gcd shows that no small factors, and then m-r )
mircea_popescu: i don't see the point.
asciilifeform: well at least not in the initial sieve ( one might still want it for e.g. pocklington's test )
mircea_popescu: the whole idea of prior gcd was to save on rm time.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TkmoM/?raw=true << sneak peek of constant-time stein. ( afaik there isn't one anywhere else on the net, funnily enuff. )
asciilifeform: ( afaik there are no integers that are divisible by small prime (such as will fit in the primorial) and fail ~any~ number of m-r shots.
asciilifeform: nao, philosophical q : does one actually want to gcd + m-r always ? or is it acceptable to reject input after failed gcd litmus, and only ~then~ m-r .
asciilifeform: ( all of this assumes that nothing is parallelized. asciilifeform in particular does not like parallelized subcomponents in rsatron, if it can be avoided , tho there aint anyffin wrong with running ~multiple~ rsatrons , on diff inputs, in parallel , if iron is available )
asciilifeform: on a machine with multiple FG harnessed together, divide the figure by the # of FG in use.
asciilifeform: if primality test ( which consists of GCD ~and~ m-r, in order to constant-time ) does not exceed 0.0356sec, then on machine with 1 FG it can be considered that the FG is the limiting reactant.
asciilifeform: let's say yer baking one of the p, q of a 4096bit rsa mod. it needs 2048bit , i.e. 256byte of FG. a standard FG at room temp shits out 7kByte/s. therefore 256 / (7 x 1024) ~= 0.0357 sec., for a fillup of candidate register.
asciilifeform: on a box with 1 FG, the wait for a random fillup of a e.g. 2048bit reg, i suspect dwarfs the runtime of stein (and possibly even of m-r, dunno yet)
asciilifeform: the catch is that ~all != all.
asciilifeform: ( afaik nobody ever proved that you couldn't, and the nonconstanttime lehmer and variations run in ~O(n) for ~all inputs )
asciilifeform: incidentally, whether it is possible to gcd arbitrary ints in non-quadratic time, is an open problem in numtheory
asciilifeform: in other noose, constant-time stein-gcd aint so bad, 1msec (2048bit operands) , 6msec (4096bit) , 21msec (8192bit), 81msec (16384bit)
mircea_popescu: let's then put the more useful part in teh archive hopper : https://archive.org/stream/bitsavers_burroughsBkComputerSystemOrganizationTheB5700B6700_10821314/Organick_Computer_System_Organization_The_B5700_B6700_Series_1973_djvu.txt
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/01/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-january-february-and-march-1714-part-iii/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of January, February and March, 1714 - Part III.
asciilifeform: ( and it aint a lie, i studied the burroughs arch, indeed was non-overflowistic iron )
asciilifeform: and hey, iirc google (or was it crapple?) occupies the old sgi campus
mircea_popescu: in other sad lulz : etsy moved into the new york building where a scottish immigrant invented the prefab packaging box during the gilded age. who knows, maybe it rubs off ? maybe perhaps http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118604 ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 17:26 mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885903 << 'pile' wento to washington/eurpoistan coffers, kept the reich going 30yrs past its expiration date
asciilifeform: 'There were people working behind the scenes trying to get the Symbolics VLM stuff legitimately released in some way to the hobbyist community - and this is likely to throw a wrench into that effort'
asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' )
asciilifeform: it's exactly scale-model ver of the ru 'privatization' afaik.
mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?
mircea_popescu: it's one hell of an object to contemplate, this evolution, for someone who was there in the 80s. "you mean every penny saved off every old schmuck that died in soviet-style economical health care system / every bled out 1950s style (in the us, heh, http://trilema.com/2009/comunismul-capitalismul-si-oprimarea-femeii/#selection-71.0-71.8 ) woman because contraceptives cost money whereas her slavespawn is worth money, ALL THAT,
mircea_popescu: now it's like... hey, remember when bitcoin had JUST breached 1k and "mp is a billionaire" still "controversial" / difficult to swallow for the tards talking ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, twas a mere coupla billion. which, at the time, was an IMMENSE sum, that ceausescu had gathered together over decades of hard fucking work for his 20mn slavecrop.
mircea_popescu: just about yeah. dood ran off with the commies accounts receivable in 1989, so that isarescu was stuck inventing acreditives for fuel ships to unload rather than leave that winter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was that the ro berezovsky or who
asciilifeform: it's how they od, also
mircea_popescu: the unsteady approach being in itself a great catalyst of both the paroxistic problem encountered and the incapacity for management displayed.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they ~party~ ie, don't keep a ready supply of the stuff (chemicals, biologicals) for whenever feel like, but rather whenever the "pipe" leaks something run out and buy some of each, twice a eyar or w/e.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it seems the reason he didn't pile up 2 dozen stiffs over the years is that same poverty
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't bother them, "hey, our entire understanding of money is, let's get some schmuck a bunch of taxchest so he can http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/ all over."
BingoBoingo: Except cut a couple figures off for the US version
mircea_popescu: precisely the "russian oligarchs" pseudo-economic model, yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure most of their dough comes from bezos
BingoBoingo: Other sources report ~500k still small. More interesting is the information brokerage he sold in his 30's.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this custom, iirc you can donate 1 orcbuck and still show up on 'list of donor'
mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is 30k a sum of money.
mircea_popescu: He formerly served on the steering committee of the Stonewall Democratic Club. He has donated "nearly $30,000" to Democratic candidates like Hillary Clinton, Ted Lieu, Pete Aguilar and Raja Krishnamoorthi as well as the Getting Things Done PAC. << dude give me a fucking break ?
mircea_popescu: the odds a 20something ~black~ ~male~ actually keeping a journal are 10ppm or so ; having the capacity to even in principle do so 0.1% sorta deal
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may think what you wish ; i've seen the fetards and i know better.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, first incident was dismissed after pantsuit outrage over the investigation as an attack on the old dude's lifestyle
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the ridiculous notion " Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male twink" was ~keepin a journal~. srsly ? with what ?
mircea_popescu: in short : it's a wonder there weren't two dozen.
mircea_popescu: well, in all fairness to the http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/ cuck in question -- if your wife fucks a dozen or so "bulls" before they do you in the ass per week say, and it's been a hundred weeks, you're looking at five or so thousand of these having spent a day with you within the past half week, which is the "relation" standard contemplated.
BingoBoingo: White pantsuit hiring black men for sex and hooking them on meth... like that Atlanta dude but with different taste in holes
BingoBoingo: From the text of the Qntra piece: "In the previous incident Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male sex worker's death was ruled a drug overdose following an investigation which found numerous syringes and indicators of habitual methamphetamine use in Buck's home. According to Moore's journal, Buck introduced him to methamphetamine."
asciilifeform: the linked piece read like a 'bugger-for-meth' affair
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ? << Apparently they are just dead sex workers
asciilifeform: but i got the idea from him
asciilifeform: the win is that when you e.g. cad, less muscle aches. ( asciilifeform aint cad'ing currently but expects to again later this yr.. )
mircea_popescu: not proposing this as problems ~with the item~.
mircea_popescu: i get the "takes less space than mouse" etc. it just seems bulky and inconvenient to me. and too high. and so on.
asciilifeform: me neither, until recently
asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are not. here, have a sampler http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufhi6/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: (the first time around, decade or so prior, turkey ss guy intercepted me. like on the street. asked if i'm from the us, i said romania, he said no fucking way, what are you selling me here. was pretty lulzy.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's testament to my famous capacity of fitting in -- comes from the fact i use as main profile pic a shot hanbot took in turkey, where i was being INCREDIBLY fucking fit-in.
asciilifeform: btw are they all xyzpqrDIGITDIGIT ? it's like aol never died
mircea_popescu: lol nope. i said goats are cute but not to the point of fucking one.
mircea_popescu: or, to quote from fetgirl, "mistey25 19F Switch Also an intelegence test? What makes you think you have what it takes to judge if someone is smart or not. Theres a quote from Albert Einstein if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing its an idiot. And youre judging me based off of things youre pulling out of your ass. Why dont I give you a bit of judgement. Yo
asciilifeform: i can see re the biceps tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oars are not merely painful, but also train biceps. mp is not so keep in bicep-y slavegirls, THEREFORE has not oars.
mircea_popescu: (and, for completeness & rounding off [kek kek] of the "dating" reference yesterday : the ~other~ locus of man, other than "doing very well on a date", is sitting on a couch [of power] and pointing at which fancy fanciula he intends to sozomize next. just sayin'.)
asciilifeform: ( i'll observe, mircea_popescu's ship has diesels, rather than oars, last i knew )
asciilifeform: there's also the 3rd, 'make it == x but slightly less pain' but admittedly takes work
mircea_popescu: there's two solutions to "x is painful" : a) make x', just-like-x-but-not-painful ; and b) use it in training, where pain is both desirable, useful and necessary.
mircea_popescu: i mean, if it ~speaks~ it, it could be cooler in the intended market ; but honestly speaking is inferior tech to reading.
asciilifeform: (i.e. plug it in, it 'types' the modulus)
mircea_popescu: pretty cool item, if i do say so myself. the face of all the people who've since got one... worth erry penny.
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean the black business card things ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ?
mircea_popescu: Mocky lol auction off the note, prolly bigbux(tm)!
Mocky: I had the most vivid dream last night that I met mp and hanbot. I shook mp's hand and then I turned and shook hanbot's hand and when I turned back mp was gone but left me a note with his signature and "kek" then I turned and habot was gone too
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/ethereum-classic-experiences-chain-reorganization-100-blocks/ << Qntra -- Ethereum Classic Experiences Chain Reorganization > 100 Blocks
asciilifeform: could say 'golden age over', but i dunthink their goldenage included shotgun bots.
asciilifeform: one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand.
asciilifeform: ( these are standard nao, as i understand, even in flyshit ohio )
a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture
asciilifeform: there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable
asciilifeform: there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it
asciilifeform: (with the possible exception of the cast-iron battering rams, dunno how those'd break)
asciilifeform: them.
mircea_popescu: also the 800 lb incendiary "entry devices" ? lol.
asciilifeform: they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory
mircea_popescu: maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:43 mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs
asciilifeform: moar http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-205.1-217.110
asciilifeform: i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did
asciilifeform: ( or for that matter, whether renesas co. of tokyo was able to swallow usg's intersil co. because jp sent preet his daugher's other ear, or because preet married jp princess and sits on throne there, i also have nfi )
mircea_popescu: remember the famous tito-stalin "leave yugo alone" exhange ? keks.
asciilifeform: i suppose could be 'leave my cement factory alone or i send you yer daughter's other ear'
a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
asciilifeform: i actually have deeply nfi how they were (or are?) obtained, today or 40y ago
mircea_popescu: "but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did ; and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs."
mircea_popescu: now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin".
mircea_popescu: well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall".
asciilifeform: of course there is also mark twain's addendum to this, 'quit drink, quit smoke, you might not live >100 but it will ~feel~ like 1000' or how did it go
a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 17:39 asciilifeform: ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )
asciilifeform: ( it showed up again in modern times, in the form of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-02#1883881 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason there were three religions in the mediteranean was that specifically all three delivered this.
mircea_popescu: as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin".
asciilifeform: the hindu did this even better iirc
mircea_popescu: as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s
mircea_popescu: the (batshit insane, in modern terminology) claim of the xtians that their fsb controls "life everlasting" was ~meaningful~ in times past, and built out of the following articulation of logic :
mircea_popescu: for as long starvation / being eaten alive by wild animals while very fucking cold is not on the table, little slut rosa has other shit to attend to ; outside of deliberate and constructed exclusion of the stupid poor from the workings of society, the stupid poor have no incentive to respect same. and so on.
mircea_popescu: yes, it was an extremely popular delusion in the 90s even, which is to say "within living memory", hence "entrepreneurial culture" and all that wank. nevertheless, delusions, howsoever popular (and therefore osmotically persuasive) they may get, stay delusions.
mircea_popescu: there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's the (heavily promoted, of course) fantasy of the "geek" in mainstream ustard culture, "oh, i'll be SO GOOD IN CLASS little slut rosa's defo gonna get wet for me". as cameron diaz well points out : never gonna fucking happen.
asciilifeform: a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...'
mircea_popescu: and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive ; there's no berths ; you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway.
mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885629 << last anyone's seen, they've so descended, yes.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:25 asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
asciilifeform: thought it'd evaporate with the swallowing.
mircea_popescu: it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was in re hypothetical 'what if republic worked as closed sys'
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:24 asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ?
mircea_popescu: died, cca 2003, like all others.
asciilifeform: i even managed to purchase a cdp1802 baked there, for lulz. but is all.
mircea_popescu: i doubt it was anywhere near any biz, seeing how the warthog withdrawal happened prior.
asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the warthog got withdrawn. ~for lack of that fab~.
asciilifeform: ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )
a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins.
mircea_popescu: they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ ;l same thing really.
mircea_popescu: fat faggot, died recently of faggotry-related health issues. he's been in so many of these...
mircea_popescu: leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?
asciilifeform: they're embers from fire that burned out some long time ago.
asciilifeform: they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it.
mircea_popescu: the spawn's gonna be like mommy.
mircea_popescu: menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite.
asciilifeform: y'know, analogous to the 'sov real budget'
mircea_popescu: yaya. we're back to the "no difference" discussion.
asciilifeform: the one on 'siprnet' etc
a111: Logged on 2018-11-25 06:49 mircea_popescu: oh, and in other lulz http://trilema.com/2017/in-case-you-were-wondering-where-all-the-worthless-nuland-drones-ended-up/ : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter_Extremism_Project
mircea_popescu: i recall recent example i put in, except for the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing.
mircea_popescu: or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-23 23:22 mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://www.trackingterrorism.org/search/apachesolr_search/bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.
mircea_popescu: notice that the collaose of white civilisation happened exactly around the forcelines of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885650 : they ~fucked up~ the publications of the ideal (through efforts very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885267 ) resulting in the collapse of the checking and thus the necessary http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ death.
asciilifeform: the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end.
mircea_popescu: happened plenty of times. aanyways -- what problem is real then ?
mircea_popescu: remember that time corp imploded through engineers invovled telling anyone not to buy product, it sucks, they're making way better one ?
asciilifeform: but the particular problem is imho real.
asciilifeform: i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)
mircea_popescu: imagine this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles. THEY NEVER SPLINTER!
asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing.
mircea_popescu: if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to.
asciilifeform: i dun know how to sign a pipe wrench either
mircea_popescu: dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.
asciilifeform: i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of them ?
mircea_popescu: men alone are not actually alive ; they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive. that's all.
mircea_popescu: the capacity for life of menalone is ~potential~. it is not actual.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation".
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 19:16 mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there is not the object contemplated in the reich : a thinker so valuable in his thinking, usgistic socialism gives him a berth.
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate whether this counts as a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885478 tho.
asciilifeform: in re the mouseball people, there is for instance rumour that they live mainly by selling shipboard ballmice to usg, for submarines.
asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.
asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.
asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )
asciilifeform: i also sadly have artifacts made 'with hr'. that'd be the junk that worx on even-numbered calendar days ( crapple etc. )
asciilifeform: or the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-15#1751813 device. plenty of items right here on my desk.