ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:43:55 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it
BingoBoingo: I far as I can tell the space narrowed to 1. Folks developing for fondleslabs 2. Folks developing for Chrome/Chromium/Webkit 3. Folks developing from the increasingly fractured 3Dgame/steam space and settling for whatever nintendos call themselves today
hanbot: well it's certainly grown in terms of needlessly complex stupidity and cosmetic optionality devoid of substantial difference. it can't grow if nobody remembers what it's for and why it goes a certain way, except for a scant few with entirely other sets of problems.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: From what I've seen the outside world seems to have shrank considerably while trying very hard to appear to have grown.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-06-01 08:46:10 mircea_popescu: i wanted to try the outside world
hanbot: BingoBoingo I haven't touched it --possibly mircea_popescu fiddled in there during his recent game box adventure, but possibly not even.
BingoBoingo: That's kinda what I figured. Now that Adobe Flash is dead and buried, is there anywhere on the toilet-web/appverse that doesn't at least appear to work on Chromium?
hanbot: for which the above is a useful lesson.
hanbot: anyway nicoleci is on a semi-public toilet sorta scheme, iirc, as she works towards understanding why she'd rather not be
hanbot uses death rattles and mournful sighs, for the most part.
BingoBoingo: With that you'd still have Ubuntu under the hood, but hopefully less of the stuff that gets in the way because "Gotta win the desktop for Linux by rebuilding Windows, but more broken"
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: I think Ubuntu even has a flavor that uses XFCE instead of the Gnome crap they replaced their old thing only they used
BingoBoingo: Or the list of faltas
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Or for picking the flavor with Gnome as the desktop. The gnome folks drive much of the "linux gets worse every year" mess that makes a tmsr os rather high on the list of necessities.
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, yeah and i suppose this is actually the cost for updating ubuntu.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: You probably can't afford the time to go full on ascetic putting together a "cleanest" possible linux, but the first couple things that popped up when I looked for "What causes this awful error" were all gnome related.
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, ugh.. thanks for letting me know will look into the intrusiveness
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: You've got desktop weird intruding on your workflow. There's a helper program that was trying to be "smart" for you.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: try again, but this time put on the command line: SSH_AUTH_SOCK=0 ssh you@serveryouaretryingtoreach
nicoleci: BingoBoingo, tried and received the message: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key.
hanbot: mircea_popescu there's maybe some complications in terms of how much he likes you because of what you're saying, but i see.
BingoBoingo: nicoleci: Could you please sign the instructions?
mircea_popescu: hanbot, a dog will agree with on the basis of how much he likes you, not on the basis of what you're saying.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-04-19 11:33:43 mircea_popescu: the problem with this is that it won't allow you to see engineer-politicians, which is ALSO not compartimentalizable : it will force you to beedog, ie, not become as good as expression and telling women's original haircolor as you could, on the basis of your genetics say, actually be.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-22 08:44:59 mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can't establish this until after the fact, he's utterly canine in his use of language.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in haremalia, "remind me when you take your muffins out of the oven, i've made brandied persimmons yesterday"
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/a-little-about-transactional-analysis/ << The Whet -- A little about transactional analysis.
mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can't establish this until after the fact, he's utterly canine in his use of language.
mircea_popescu: !!rate asciilifeform 2 if what you need done happens to be what he feels like doing that day he'll probably make you an excellent piece. if not, there's no recourse, and you can;t establish this until after the fact, he;s utterly canine in his use of language.
lobbes: better than the usual variety at least
mircea_popescu: http://www.krankendenken.com/2019/10/the-cod/#comment-151 << check out the weird spam
lobbes: mircea_popescu: in any case, tonight I plan to throw together a quick article of my notes
lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/introducing-the-logs/#comment-132414 << sounds good. I'll be around tonight; available tomorrow ~same time; unavailable most of sat; available all day/night sunday
BingoBoingo: In local news, the night of November 24th, election night... Bus Driver's will be striking
mircea_popescu: lobbes, arrived here, it's really high time we compared notes. i have that bash thing that takes out the relevant bits in my log format and forms proper lines out of them ; it also chunks up the file by date correctly. now, how do you do the sql etc ? you have all this already so i don't have to re-do it i expect ?
mircea_popescu: in other wtf, awk does not have a native date increment ; people do insane shit like awk -F"\",\"" '{cmd="date -d \"$(date -d \""$0"\")+10days\" \"+%Y-%m-%d %T\"";cmd | getline datum; close(cmd); print $0 ",\""datum"\""}' test.csv > test-increment-10days.csv
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, hanbot the problem with your approach is actionability, i expect.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-21 06:42:27 mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-21#1951673 << I've been trying to avoid argument by analogy and metaphor as part of the post-sadness housecleaning, but I'm not finding a better way to describe my understanding of what an OS is outside of it being the tooling and the organization of that tooling that transforms a warehouse (the computer
diana_coman: trinque: nobody knew what you were doing and that's the problem as far as I see it, not the timeframe.
trinque: you spat on my notion of consulting business, and now you spit on how fast the thing's coming together
trinque: the thing I was doing with deedbot was getting a ticket tracker together so this could actually be managed
trinque: to say nothing of the actual economics of producing and maintaining such a complex item.
hanbot: s such a thing as general reason, the role of people towards machines being the translation between the two, in the first place.
hanbot: i don't know what's wrong with conceiving an os from the known universe at the time of its conception. you have a manifest of ideals and ideas in there, as you necessarily do in your head, and when it changes you're stuck patching. the os should be for a cause, then, but i don't know why the cause(s) can't be explicitly stated, and structured, so you have a tree of reason and not just results. there's no such thing as general purpose, but there i
hanbot: inasmuch as you can't ever completely specify the future, an attempt to state the purpose of an operating system is doomed to fail either by getting something wrong, or by self-limiting solely for the sake of avoiding the first failure prong. i don't see a third path. if honestly all you wanted the os to do was peel eggs you'd make an egg peeler application, not a kitchen; an "egg peeler os" is the second failure prong, even if it's gloriously fr
diana_coman: if I'm to see it as "os for a purpose", then I go full way and it's really machine-for-a-purpose, from hardware up, everything; basically there is no universal computer at all in reality, only various degrees of trying to fit an average (at best) to all sorts of outliers.
diana_coman: ... [thetarpit.org/2018/what-is-an-os/][OS definition & discussion].
diana_coman: hm, I had to read that quite a few times to stop mixing app and os and getting confused there; I tend to think that the OS should not attempt to "for a purpose" mainly because a. still can't know it in advance and no matter how one defines it, in time it will diverge from what's needed and here we go again b. I think the hardware is more of a cause to start from. I went and re-read also spyked's previous attempts at ...
mircea_popescu: moreover, that the end result will be the "discovery" (which of course "nobody could have predicted", as ethical failure ever goes) of the... need for... an os, at the "core" of all these apps. basically we'd just be moving the goalposts, after spending however long making "an os, you mean an app" we'd discover all we get for our trouble is the need to rename our os an app and write an actual os, ie, back at square one
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that "special purpose os" is a contorted circumlocution for "an app". it futher seems to me that the proposition "hey, you know how to do the thing we don't know how to do ? let's do what we know how to do instead and call it good!" is fundamentally weak, ethically (ie, that it's not driven by anything but convenience) ; and that the "make your os for a purpose" thing is undistinguishable from it.
mircea_popescu: it seems to me that the only possible definition of "an os" as counterdistinct from "an app" is : a ~general purpose~ collection of software tooling which ~agnostically~ as to ulterior apps exposes fundamental, inherent functionality and limitation (mostly driven by the very hardware) in an universal, principled way.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in important policy discussions : i've been thinking about bvt's theory, and while i can't say i'm done thinking nor much hope to ever be, here's a major problem i encounter :
mircea_popescu: nfi why or what difference it makes, but the reptile mind perceives it very threateningly.
mircea_popescu: in other news : Eulora server back online, new ip is 79.124.78.188 ; players on the last client will have to edit their data/servers.xml to reflect the new ip to be able to connect. have fun y'all!
mircea_popescu: lol poor guy. why the fuck does he think a domain does anything
mircea_popescu: in the end the timeline is jan 12 2012 - mar 28 2016. introductory article just published.
mircea_popescu: this'd be the last call.
mircea_popescu: trinque, looky here, i have a job that needs done and a bunch of people who are interested in helpinh with it. for the past month i've been considering you to run the doing, however as i sit here i still don't know if you are or are not going to. you've not yet put out a plan for it, you've not said if you will, you've not set a date for it, you're just making occasional, impredictable and ~useless drive-bys
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-15 09:42:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-20 20:51:14 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951637 - ugh, I have them on my list & contacted them via email but they must-account (though they did at least say they weren't all that bothered about actual address iirc).
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-11-21 Jeff78: The reason I'm interested in your project is because I saw the domain eventix.de is directed to your project. I've started my own business recently after I graduated. To take it of the ground in germany I would be in need of the domain that is now pointing to your website. Would you be open to an offer from my side?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-15 09:42:22 mircea_popescu: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-14#1951253 << asia or latam, ideally. the current server's in moscow, so you know...
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951273 << just to address this, I'm in the process of provisioning a rented server in Malaysia. Some company called Shinjiru. I will keep you updated on this
diana_coman: I've moved ossasepia.com to 85.25.134.66 where I hope it will stay for longer really; please update hosts files accordingly and sorry for the repeated moves; I've updated DNS records too but those might take a while, as they do.
BingoBoingo: In Bolivian sadness, 3 tons of Andean snow detained in the port of Montevideo http://archive.is/4lbSe
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-20 12:07:50 mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-20 12:04:40 mircea_popescu: lobbes, by the uselessly vague "barf" do you mean it drops the remainder of the text in whatever chunk it sees it as part of ?
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-20#1951619 << when I make an actual post of an article, it drops the entirety of the content I was trying to post. If I'm updating an article, it drops the entirety of additional content I was adding. Looks like your comment test behaves differently. In any case, it behaves strangely
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/11/some-thought-about-the-situation-in-tmsr/ << bvt's backtrace -- Some thoughts about the situation in TMSR
diana_coman: lol, the phone users.
mircea_popescu: could you replace all instances of 4byte utf with [X ((Symbolic representation of Mother Goddess / Great Inca / USG's State Corporations has been removed.))] plox ?
mircea_popescu: lobbes, by the uselessly vague "barf" do you mean it drops the remainder of the text in whatever chunk it sees it as part of ?
lobbes: My question for you is, do you ~want~ the table/database utf8 charset extended to 4 bytes to store these things? Alternatively I guess I could just strip 'em out
lobbes: Now I've done some testing, and setting both the mysql server and the table to use the utf8mb4 character set allows the eating of such uniturds
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Perfect storm. New monetize the data derps versus the social gospeltards
mircea_popescu: the social gospeltards' main instrument, crumbling into the mud, spit and bullshit it was fashioned out of. and all the righteous morons running around fixing it while denying its broken.
dorion will be more active next week, headed to the woods to deer hunt this weekend.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-16 22:58:47 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, im pleased to report i buried your guy under enough material to last him the month lulz.
dorion: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-16#1951490 << I'm slowly crawling out, delayed a bit by travel ^ prep , but glad to be buried in meaning rather than nonsense.
deedbot: dorion rated dorion_road 1 << my key for the road, 201911-202001
BingoBoingo: Facebook had to buy Instagram when Facebook stopped being cool with the kids
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end...
lobbes: oh, and the whole "text running over the sidebar" issue does indeed seem local to my blog. My css is probably just borked
lobbes: ditto on the table width
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-18 03:14:48 lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-19 11:36:15 mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-18#1951547 : you are misuing the th tag. the th tag is not a kind of td, it's a kind of tr, it's supposed to be the first tr in a table (ie, the title heading).
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: She probably made the North African and Indian population Facebook farms their moderation derping out to uncomfortable.
diana_coman: ahahah, what did the poor IP do!
diana_coman: basically they ...excommunicated her ? lolz
mircea_popescu: in other alt-qntra lulz, instagram banned the accounts of riley reid and juicy bimbo. the "ourdemocracy" efforts towards building a "free world" cuntinue!
mircea_popescu: also you should probably replace the current <table> with a <table width=x"> where x is the implicid content column width for the blog, eg on trilema 560
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-18 03:14:48 lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
mircea_popescu: lobbes, incidentally, re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-18#1951547 : you are misuing the th tag. the th tag is not a kind of td, it's a kind of tr, it's supposed to be the first tr in a table (ie, the title heading).
BingoBoingo: In other news, mebbe this is that same Buttcoin "sciencehatesyou" chick from back when expanding her rounds?
mircea_popescu: but yes, it's a concept from game theory, mosty as an cybernetics application, because people writing programs to power droid fights or whatever need to put something in the if statements, and that something's better be a scalar. this makes no particular sense besides serving that need, and so it became a tongue in cheek reference for "if one had to assign arbitrary scalar values to so and so thing"
mircea_popescu: possibly only ever explicited in http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites-the-dust-bitmarketeu/?b=This%20is%20how&e=prove%20it#select
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-18 11:04:36 mircea_popescu: later today ima put logs up to 28th march 2016 on trilema proper then, should be fun.
spyked: ave1, afaik the term is game-theoretical, i.e. given some "game" scenario involving partial information, where the agent can receive some payoff depending on its actions, it can in principle evaluate an "expected" payoff for some particular actions. since the info is partial, I'm reading "expected" here as "the most likely to occur". but I'd be curious to see a formal definition as well.
lobbes: ave1: expected value. Game theory I believe
ave1: dorion, thx! ev is not in that list. (and so far ev together with energy, equivalent or investment all come up empty)
dorion: ave1 http://trilema.com/republican-thesaurus/ was turned into a "page"
ave1: and I think there was an update on that list in 2018, but I'm simply not finding it....
ave1: I'am looking for a longer description of +ev and -ev. I remember reading about it either here in the log or on trilema, but so far no luck. I.E. it seems to be missing from the 2016 thesaurus (http://trilema.com/2016/republican-thesaurus-with-vocabulary-and-dictionary/).
mircea_popescu: think of "the punic wars". not punac, rite.
mircea_popescu: later today ima put logs up to 28th march 2016 on trilema proper then, should be fun.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, that's the point, trial by fire as it were
lobbes: There also appears to be an issue with the line ordering in places, but I think I know where to look for that
lobbes: I can already see that there are some odd formatting issues with the loglines sometimes overlapping the sidebar, but that may just be caused by my own wp-mp install
lobbes: I'm going to let it run during the night and will hopefully wake up to 4 years of #t logs in a blog. Feel free to poke at it and lemme know if you'd like any tweaks/edits
lobbes: mircea_popescu: in updates, I've got the #trilema back-logs (back to 2016-03-28) importing into my test blog now: http://blog.ericbenevides.com/2016/03/trilema-log-for-2016-03-28/
mircea_popescu: i understand the abstract appeal of, "look here, hash1=hash2". but what this means is things such as "it is not possible to have a timestamp. AT ALL." sure, in many cases timestamps are abused / fucking stupid. but this is not "many cases", this is AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: but yes, getting an ever clearer grasp of the shenanigans is central.
mircea_popescu: so imo the only sane way to approach that sadness is by progressively limiting variance in binaries.
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear to me, to take this as far in theory as it goes, that once we have a literal by-hand re-written compiler it'll be absolutely deterministic. at some point it becomes a question of "branch binaries by X or carry Y spare MB with each binary"
mircea_popescu: as to fixed binary output...i expect that'll take a whole lot of doing, there's mucho "intelligence" baked in even that comparatively early gcc ver
trinque: 4.9.4's the one used in cuntoo
mircea_popescu: ave1, probably some selection of the build scripts is a good idea. even if we end up changing them later, afaik for all the hate nobody builds shit any other way atm
diana_coman: trinque: yay! and thanks for the ping.
trinque: diana_coman: btw you'll notice items filling in at trinque.org/src over the course of the day.
trinque: ave1: I have zero use for anything other than c, c++, ada.
ave1: As for current status, I have a big patch file that works as part of the build scripts. So the genesis is feasible. I could also put the build scripts (and other dependencies) in the genesis but this would need to be discussed in light of the OS setup.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 14:02:37 ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around a number of mb in the genesis.
diana_coman: cool, thanks for the ack.
diana_coman: fwiw I'd rather go with only c/cpp/ada in genesis and then if someone else wants fortran/whatevers, let them patch it on top.
ave1: Come to think about it, it is probably better to first estimate the mbs and complexity involved before even contemplating this question.
ave1: Before or after genesis. In past for other packages this has been 'before'. But it would help to not carry around a number of mb in the genesis.
mircea_popescu: i really don't see the problem with taking anything besides c/cpp/ada out
BingoBoingo: I don't expect GCC is even the place folks would want to run these languages if they were nintendo-izing, but I do wonder how much of a rats nest gcc is.
ave1: Good point, I don't know yet. I was think to remove these before the genesis as the whole thing ways in at 300mb or so. Plus, java and go don't even work as is.
BingoBoingo: ave1: Ah. Are the languages separated enough that an arrangement like ave1 signs a remove-java.vpatch and in the odd case someone wants to turn their system into a nintendo they can do a nintendoist signs a dead end restore java.vpatch? Or are the langs far too intermingled for these cuts to be some clean.
ave1: O, and proposal for drop also had something to do with 5 images in there. I'll just drop those, the documentation can still be read without these.
ave1: The version in gcc looks outdated. I can keep it for now, I agree that dropping documentation is moving in the wrong documentation (even if it is outdated)
ave1: and has been updated in the meantime
ave1: just the number of files and space plus that the STL documention is everywhere and looks generated from something (i.e. mainly clean-up)
mircea_popescu: re documentation, it's an iffy proposition dropping any, seeing how little there actually is ; then again it's an iffy proposition keeping any, seeing how dubiously unreliable it can get. what's it bother as it stands ?
mircea_popescu: ave1, it seems to me we probably want both c and c++ for systems reasons, portions of the kernel / toolset still are in c iirc ; and probably ada since we were doing work on it. fortran possibly not
ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue to do so. But with feedback in the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation tree, can this be dropped? (I would say yes)
ave1: I.e. for including / making it part of the OS.
ave1: As to ownership, I can own gcc 4.9 and would like to work with trinque et. al. on this. The problem here is limited time, so my primary input can be information/communication at this point.
ave1: I tried to make significant time available all week, but failed. And that's probably also the problem. I first want to have x hours available and then talk. Should go the other way, first talk then just go with it.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, im pleased to report i buried your guy under enough material to last him the month lulz.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-broken-windowpane-fallacy-fallacy/ << Trilema -- The broken windowpane fallacy fallacy
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/11/why-i-go-to-the-gym-and-what-i-do-when-i-get-there/ << The Whet -- Why I Go to the Gym, and What I Do When I Get There
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, I supect browser weird or page load/post interruption. Will probably switch out the avatar.png for m actual face sometime by the end of November though.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2019/the-article-that-started-out-as-a-comment-or-paptcrhur-robinson-dorion-salutem/#comment-132332 << Appears my comment got butchered somehere along the line to drop the name and sub the email address
mircea_popescu: they're not needed on trilema, the quotes ; but if used gotta be used correctly else it fucks up the parser
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, <a href="http://trilema.com/2009/fata-satului>village</a> << see the missing endquote ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-15 18:37:16 mircea_popescu: and today, i turned the remainder into ro style refried beans. which holy hell...
mircea_popescu is just back from the evolution of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951430 ; which, together with terrine de canard, dijon mustard an' anchiovies became an absolutely fucking exquisite breakfast.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-article-that-started-out-as-a-comment-or-paptcrhur-robinson-dorion-salutem/ << Trilema -- The article that started out as a comment, or pa&ptCrhuR Robinson Dorion salutem.
diana_coman: ahaha, that ayn rand ref pokes the eye very first, doesn't it; lolz.
mircea_popescu: dorion, turns out i needed a coupla fail tries before i could produce a lierate comment ; plox delete them
mircea_popescu found it through the mp-wp process of ossasepia.com/aspa aka "put in the first few letters of title after domain, mp-wp finds for you".
mircea_popescu: they got a list of like 5 things, and god help you if you're trying to find something other than that. hey diana_coman, what's your article with the woman's difficulties, (sexy, smart) pick one ?
mircea_popescu: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=site%3Aossasepia.com+aspasia&t=ffsb&ia=web << aand of course, the web search doesn't do anything besides feeding chicken pellets,
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, there was a story recorded once, of two women that were married on the same day. one of them was married to a guy who the witness deemed too young, and the other one was sterile.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-16 05:34:08 mircea_popescu: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/11/jwrd-computing-the-why-how-what-and-way-forward/ << o look, basically it's s.nsa but perhaps with a less retarded engineer.
mircea_popescu: and meanwhile in cesspool news, every larger turd splashing in there sends all the lesser turds into a tizzy. who knows, maybe it's their time now ?!?!?! THE TURD'S TIME TO SHINE!!!!
mircea_popescu: http://dorion-mode.com/2019/11/jwrd-computing-the-why-how-what-and-way-forward/ << o look, basically it's s.nsa but perhaps with a less retarded engineer.
mircea_popescu: gotta "actualize her concerns" or how the fuck tlp put it
hanbot mulls adding another nine tenths to that percentage.
hanbot: old women === 99% of "the public"
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's very much a will to relevancy in the irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "the public". === old women
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-15 16:20:21 mircea_popescu: somehow the imaginary "right" of retards to tell you how you should fuck their daughter was struck, but supposedly the imaginary "right" of retards to "border" remains ? what the fuck, it's like going about in tudor style gedups, beyond ridiculous anachronism.
hanbot: le actually like being probed/questioned/authoritized. means they're important and interesting enough to warrant it.
hanbot: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-15#1951420 << recall those several tv channels in .cz entirely dedicated to "women standing around arguing with occasional intervention from men in 'authority' uniform" (incidentally didn't you mention this somewhere? i've been trying to find it for 20mins, fucking hell)? i don't think it's so much that people even like playing the role, per se; the public has a MAJOR fetish for it. i betcha most peop
mircea_popescu: they came out fabulous.
mircea_popescu: and today, i turned the remainder into ro style refried beans. which holy hell...
mircea_popescu: in other household news, coupla days ago hanbot made a pot of fasole cu ciolan (ro take on franks and bean, with smoked meat instead of whatever the fuck "franks" are anymore)
mircea_popescu: unemployable old fat failure also unsurprisingly propagates "dark horse" subjective fantasy nonsense. because what's the practical alternative ?
mircea_popescu: there is that.
BingoBoingo: Well, the line for the drag folks seems to hae disappeared as the dreamer pods started filling...
mircea_popescu: yeah, but they generally understand it's performative art, they don't go home as if going to sleep. they go home as if waking up.
BingoBoingo: Well, folks still costume up in anachronism to the point many of them prefer it. Kinda the whole drag/renfair/re-enactment schtick
mircea_popescu: i suppose the future holds a whole boatload of jerry springer shows about border patrols.
mircea_popescu: somehow the imaginary "right" of retards to tell you how you should fuck their daughter was struck, but supposedly the imaginary "right" of retards to "border" remains ? what the fuck, it's like going about in tudor style gedups, beyond ridiculous anachronism.
mircea_popescu: "oh, lithuania". bitch, nobody asked you anything, move over. it's the great wasteland, you're a country like second life's a galaxy.
BingoBoingo: Migracciones loves white people, and they especially love European white people that speak English.
diana_coman: eh, last time the Lithuanian border guard was totally disgusted because "it's too old!!!"
mircea_popescu: now this has universally been the case.
BingoBoingo: Uruguay nominally wants at least 90 days before the passport expires, but I imagine the airline will throw a bigger fuss than Migracciones.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: well yes, because had mine too and they can't do both at the same time and etc; around europe I don't need it/care for it but to Montevideo I'd need it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, I don't think there's anything else that'll turn the kid away from thinking marijuana could be cool than a high season visit to Montevideo.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not like I don't want holidays even to visit waste in faraway lands; but that would mean first waiting for the gloriously communist ro embassy to finish futzing with the paperwork and issue my new passport so it can't happen right now anyway.
mircea_popescu: playing this the other way... if you're trying to make your way out BingoBoingo , this'll take you to yurp. from london you can take thr fast train to czech republic, be there in ~a night.
BingoBoingo: This is a point. The effort that goes into covering for what isn't here instead of putting in the effort to have, also a thing that has to be seen to be understood.
mircea_popescu: an experience that can't be acquired through the livresque approach
mircea_popescu: not because of what's there, but becauswe of what isn't.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: ty, I'll try to get it robustly packaged up for shipping by the end of next week.
diana_coman: so then Fedex it will probably be; I'll get to sign an address and all that by the end of this week I should hope.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: The time thing kinda hits hard for either of us. At least at the price it sold for, getting exit papers for the machine will be a non-issue
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Well, their estimate is ~1 week which suggest they are at least flying it rather than boating it.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Fedex wants 453 based on the unboxed dimensions, extra kilo or so thrown in. DHL wants what I initially thought was 436, but it could either be 436 or 536, more probably the later
BingoBoingo: And the four cores in ye olde Qntra/DNS box are still AMD. Just... now I got more drives to throw in it.
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is a good point, yes they sold for ten bux or w/e, but in small amounts inconveniently packaged
diana_coman: not sure how the "won't pay for shipping those all the way from uruguay" directly translates into no value on amd processors; not like I don't have around me mainly amd processors for that matter.
mircea_popescu: there is that
mircea_popescu: i wasn't going to buy alf made crap to piss on it & set it on fire ; but otherwise i have dozens deployed.
mircea_popescu: neways, as it turns out on the autopsy table, management's plan to build perceived market value in the fuckgoats through running republican isp delivered, ~twenny bux of fuckgoats trades for about a hundy in the exact environment a nominal hundred dubaloos worth of generic hardware trades for like twenty. five this way and five that way, not half bad.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'll try to grab some estimates this afternoon. I have a tiny suspicion DHL might beat FedEX crossing the ocean in your direction.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-15 14:13:44 BingoBoingo: Fedex economy came in with an estimate a bit under 300 USD given the dulap's dimensions and bathroom scale weight without packaging. Packaging at this moment is looking like it will end up being mover's foam rolls and improvised cardboard box/wrap held together with substantial tape.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: atm I'm not sure I have many alternatives tbh; mind getting an estimate from fedex/dhl for me? I found this estimate for the US in the logs, but I doubt it will be similar for crossing the ocean.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: FedEX and DHL are the two big ones outbound shippers.
BingoBoingo: Congrats to auction winners. Invoicing will be done later today. I know how jfw and asciilifeform intend to take possession of their puchases. diana_coman and jurov please let me know how you want to receive yours.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1069 has ENDED: Former Pizarro RockChip Plant, no used USB drives; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Notes. Tools In photo are included for scale as the plant as configured requires more than one rack unit of height to mount. Pliers not included in plant, but screwdriver is negotiable. SOLD to asciilifeform for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1068 has ENDED: Two switches used in the late Pizarro's server rack; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to jfw for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 11mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to asciilifeform for 11mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064 has ENDED: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. SOLD to diana_coman for 1mn ecu. Attn: BingoBoingo
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 1 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 1 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 11mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 7mn from asciilifeform outbidding jfw. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 2 mins)
diana_coman: more centralized might be a better description I guess; I mean "more organised" in the sense that it's quite straightforward otherwise but possibly it's just as straightforward in Uruguay too.
auctionbot: Sell order # 1065: Selling the server formerly used for S.MG Testing with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 6mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:11.900525 UTC (0 hours 23 mins)
BingoBoingo: I don't know about more organized. Just seems more centralized if the post office handles dispatch instead of the "dispachante" cartel.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: more organised ie they just want you to pay & go to some dispatch post office; but it all adds up to the point that it's not really +ev
auctionbot: Sell order # 1066: Selling the server formerly used as S.MG Production with FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Heard: 10mn from jfw outbidding asciilifeform. Ending: 2019-11-15 21:38:28.450290 UTC (0 hours 44 mins)
BingoBoingo: Less than an hour. Where the auction snipers hiding at?
auctionbot: Sell order # 1064: Selling the server formerly known as UY1 no FUCKGOATS, no disks; buyer to take possession at his own expense. Opening: 1mn ecu Leading Bid: 1mn ecu Ending: 2019-11-15 21:37:54.887600 UTC (0 hours 49 mins)
diana_coman: for that matter the former smg servers contain FG too but apparently don't quite appeal.
BingoBoingo: Maybe the used ones are more collectible?
diana_coman: atm I don't really see the need for anything more than that anyway; I'll set up again all the data backups anyway, ofc.
diana_coman: re OS the idea was that I'll have to install remotely the proto-cuntoo though, wasn't it?
diana_coman: otherwise yes, at least go for cheapest and that's that; for added lulz, that pretty much ends up in moldova anyway.
diana_coman: the q there was whether it's at least allignable, essentially; the reason why I took a closer look.
mircea_popescu: i don't see the merit. either it's alligned or else it's cheap, what the hell is this "pay us a premium so we can derp". i ain't ever buying "quality" outside of republic, for the obvious reason
diana_coman: myeah, they do charge a lot for very little for sure.
mircea_popescu: basically they're a fine opportunity to pay 2x what your getting's worth for the priviledge of supporting someone else's BingoBoingo in iceland.
diana_coman: well, medium & macro businesses tend to be built around the website from what I can see; so yeah, looked at micro and kind of running out of anything to look at anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway, petty microbusiness isp, there's a derpier BingoBoingo behind the "x tb bw for dedicated" sorta nonsense.
mircea_popescu: cloudflare is the internet equivalent of usg's fatca chantage mechanism. "partner" for protection or else get flooded. i wouldn't hold it against civillians.
diana_coman: does anyone know about/have xp with this orangewebsite provider? they are based in iceland and seem to at least 1. accept bitcoin directly 2. require only email
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is what the jr high game of battleship should have been. because wtf, we got computers, thus therefore are better than the pen-and-paper forefathers. or else, what the fuck's all the toil been for.