mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that bit of russian gets spit out as "tvnz" by google translate << it's not russian ye kook, it's the hammer and sickle sign
mircea_popescu: it looks like a pretty good attempt at being the onion
mircea_popescu: jurov "Behind the scenes, however, some new that peace was definitely not secured."
mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/df2fcf02fd786b354f2a5578d437180d/tumblr_mxfx4rar6b1srb2awo1_500.gif << acquiring viral samples in the wild.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
fluffypony: further to asciilifeform's point, containment is critical
mircea_popescu: about as much as they know about psychiatry : everyone has his own story.
asciilifeform: jurov: it even mailed it back to me, but not showing in the www.
asciilifeform: jurov: can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates << same as 'bitpay' but spammier flavour. and same problem. you can't bitcoinize a fiat business relationship not because of the funny green usg money but because it is wotless
jurov: looks good, you can look up the coupons someday
nubbins`: ^ some of the homesteading blogs are rad too
nubbins`: "The Multiplatform Edition contains files for each year of the magazine in a format that can be transferred for viewing and searching on multiple devices. The content can only be viewed and searched year by year. • The Classic Edition provides a browser-based interface for accessing the archive on your desktop computer or laptop. You can do advanced searches and view content from the entire 44-year archive, all at once!"
gribble: Shopping - Mother Earth News: <http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/home.aspx>; MOTHER EARTH NEWS Archive 1970-2013: Multiplatform Edition: <http://www.motherearthnews.com/shopping/detail.aspx?itemnumber=7210>; Mother Earth Tour - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Earth_Tour>
nubbins`: ;;google mother earth dvd
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:nubbins`: what's a young anti-consumerist to do ;/ << shit look at that, "mother earth news" is actually a thing. <<< print issues are a bit lacking these days, but for the $20/yr or w/e...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;; later tell pete_dushenski How do you know the ferguson drama wasn't to keep Africans from wanting to go to Middle West?
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 05:32:09; asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good ind
BingoBoingo: decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future << So far surprisingly predictable
BingoBoingo also offer that the qntra principles could likely drink any other "BTC News" venture under any table.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric. << Scary thing is the longer this goes on and the harder we look for news, the less news words there seem to be to write in my observation. As time goes on I hope pieces like 'Your Disk Controller and You" Take an
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it << ALso can't seriously discount the glory of major sharholders split across 3 continents. GAW could prebtebd to sue coinfire, Qntra???
BingoBoingo: mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares? << Beauty of MPEx is neither you nor the pederasts can truly be sure.
assbot: Logged on 22-02-2015 03:06:06; decimation: nah, the whole 'd1scr1m1n4t10n!!!111!!' has everything to do with the general divide & conqueror the kulaks program, and nothing to do with the exercise of actual power
BingoBoingo: "I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES." How the British controlled hundreds of millions in india with hundreds of their own
jurov: got curious about bingo's books and unearthed this: http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Perspectives_1/Willie_Lynch_letter_The_Making_of_a_Slave.shtml
BingoBoingo: Nice boobie trap trigger too, no nipple will not engorge when the capacitor shorts
BingoBoingo: decimation: fluffypony: what about rhodesia? << meatspace friends blessed me with three rare books as birthday gift "Slave to her nigger", "Temptress in the Slave Quarters", and "A Craving for Black Flesh" these people know me too well
chetty: All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius// which makes stupid ideas like min wage even more ridiculous
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: this doesn't include private 'consulting' gigs, also, which many of these folks take part in << Seriously perverts rents. All around the country bubbles aroud various installations push rent up $BigInt for $ConvenientInt radius
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, decimation: the point that i was trying - and failing - to make, was that a fundamentally fiat-based business arrangement like renting a house from a fella on opposite end of continent who you've never met and never expect to meet, cannot be 'bitcoinized' in the sense of turning you loose from usg financial jail << Even when "fiat poor" developing "escape WoT" is obstacle
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: nubbins`: elementary fact is that i can only keep my wot obligations (s.nsa) if i have present level of equipment and time << When BTC funded taxi leaves USia, maybe missile takes it down in interesting place and we all meet the "boys from brazil"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << Beautiful, but there's going to be some very sad japs who still can't netbsd up their pogo next to their toaster because nand
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: so far i don't disagree - the problem i described could indeed be magicked away entirely and semi-permanently by judicious application of ~100k usd << 100k usd seems to be "magic number" in USia's /etc/moduli
jurov: ^ lol asciilifeform can ask them for stuff and pay in bitcoin... but quite bezzle rates
pete_dushenski: the midwest is just... dull
thestringpuller: as you further state here asciilifeform >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817449 << the real escape has costs and stuff
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform either way, i figure the burden is on you to prove air tightness, not me to disprove
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: which << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2014#770561 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2014#817435 << those two in particular. i guess no one wants to be in gulag, but stories like this REALLY make me not wanna be in US gulag. The latter means once prisoner of US gulag, US polezei will toss you back in as the feel like it even if you escape.
asciilifeform has read the complete tlp
pete_dushenski: the last psychiatrist, chris ballas
pete_dushenski: not that seriously, but not that jokingly either
asciilifeform: the stopper on ua bottle - in english - is nearly airtight
pete_dushenski: in the olden days when ebola was scary...
pete_dushenski: if you're traveling to africa, you can probably afford to stay out of the anonymous ditch
asciilifeform: depending how the dice fall
asciilifeform: stay as the roadkill
asciilifeform: (why piano keys - story for another day)
pete_dushenski guesses that asciilifeform isn't much for aesthetic diamonds
pete_dushenski: there's >1bn 'lives' in africa
pete_dushenski: it isn't to me either
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i can only guess at why they do, but the human roadkill thing isn't so surprising
pete_dushenski: you have a lot less time to fuck around worry about someone else's problems in a country where there's not 50x more wealth than needed for sustenance.
asciilifeform has not even yet been in the jail
asciilifeform: it goes flatter, spins around now&then
asciilifeform: http://schoolsites.schoolworld.com/schools/Cheltenham/webpages/rwilman/files/kurt%20vonnegut%20-%20mother%20night.pdf << l33t w4r3z copy
pete_dushenski: (from the armchair)
asciilifeform: felt about the same.'
asciilifeform: within an hour I did the very same job once to Hoess and once to my suitcase. Both jobs
asciilifeform: The catch on my suitcase was broken, so I buckled it shut with a big leather strap. Twice
asciilifeform: 'After we finished hanging Hoess,' Mengel said to me, 'I packed up my clothes to go home.
asciilifeform: a job to do, and no job was any better or any worse than any other.'
asciilifeform: was hanged,' he told me, 'the strap around his ankles I put that on and made it tight'
asciilifeform: And he didn't do it with testimony, either. He did it with his two big hands. 'When Hoess
pete_dushenski: but yes, the routine is something like 1) publish, 2) self-scoop, 3) catch-up
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller lol except that was from this morning!
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if vonnegut wrote the leather suitcase strap scene in his 'mother night' after reading that orwell piece
asciilifeform: but the piece is relevant
asciilifeform for the record, does not agree with mr. o
pete_dushenski: other than less gasenwagen
pete_dushenski: how is ignoring the best first largest cult 'more clever' ?
asciilifeform: brother
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 3 for adam_obrien with note: the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.
asciilifeform for some reason only remembers the chinese quarter with the monstrous fish hanging in the market
asciilifeform went there, once, as a schoolboy
pete_dushenski: i should say, one of the only that i'd live in and not have need for car
pete_dushenski: sure, i just thought they mostly lived in montreal
asciilifeform: believe or not there are such people
asciilifeform: the woman - doesn't drive
asciilifeform: the former
pete_dushenski: !rate adam_obrien 3 the kid can hustle. cad-btc broker.
asciilifeform is not 'car guy' despite - or perhaps because of? - spending a rather extraordinary amount of time in cars
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller not so surprising really
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later << can't find one that's bene taken care of
asciilifeform: there is only fuji heavy industries.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is no firm 'subaru'
thestringpuller: and was still running, had been driven all over the country
pete_dushenski: saving the volvo idea for later ?
thestringpuller: all these unicode characters!
asciilifeform: and couldn't be arsed to take the mobo out beforehand
asciilifeform: bottom is molten slag because i tried the traditional hot air reflow machine repair method
pete_dushenski: thx for the offer though
asciilifeform: (it being the original series)
asciilifeform: sadly it's the former.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform ok, so here's the air display situation: if you have the 1280x800 screen, i'm out of luck, if you have the 1440x900 then we're good!
asciilifeform: i'm actually the only person i know who keeps an apple box 'for testing xxxx on apple once in a blue moon' without sitting on it all the time
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform danke for the offer at least!
asciilifeform: the bottom half is melted
asciilifeform: the whole machine!
asciilifeform: the only apple box currently in my collection is a circa-'09 'air'
pete_dushenski: the screen on this 'air' is already mroe borked than us science
pete_dushenski: and while the new stuff is faster, it certainly isn't built to last
asciilifeform: and thereby know
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform:it's about the get-the-microshit-out-of-my-fucking-face-i-dont-care-what << now, as ever
mircea_popescu: hegel and shaw were great friends of the third reich,
mircea_popescu tries real hard to imagine the next generation shamir putting to paper the 'friend of the us' string.
asciilifeform: 'we don't need no stinking jew crypto here in the reich'
pete_dushenski: us just wants to bury its head in the sand
mircea_popescu: "As a friend of the US I am deeply worried that if you continue to delay visas in such a way, the only thing you will achieve is to alienate many world-famous foreign scientists, forcing them to increase their cooperation with European or Chinese scientists whose countries roll the red carpet for such visits. "
mircea_popescu: In my humble opinion, we are heading toward a disaster, and I have heard many people, among them our top scientists, saying that they are not willing anymore to visit the US, and collaborate with American scientists, because of the difficulties.
asciilifeform: 'In July 2013 I told the NSA-affiliated conference organizers that I was having some problems in getting my visa, and gently asked whether they could do something about it. Always eager to help, the NSA people leaped into action, and immediately sent me a short email written with a lot of tact: The trouble you are having is regrettable
Sorry you wont be able to come to our conference. We have submitted our program and
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asciilifeform: for other banned folks
asciilifeform: in a von neumann machine, you'd have to individually address and ask each cell what its output is, to take the sum, like a total idiot
asciilifeform: (i'm nearly certain we did these here)
asciilifeform: back to thread, momentarily, before i nod off to sleep; certain problems (i dare say most of the 'big ones') in algorithms magically dissipate when you burn the retarded von neumann thing
asciilifeform: does the string 'spaghetti sort' occur in it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look at the result
asciilifeform: where you can determine precisely what objects are live simply by... forming electric circuit (yes) from the root node
asciilifeform: i'll add that neither 'mark and sweep' (stop-the-world in its basic form) nor 'reference counting' are necessary on a dataflow machine
asciilifeform: 'stop the world' is also called 'semispace'
asciilifeform: literally, like keeping two flats, occasionally taking useful objects from one to the other, then setting off dynamite in the old flat.
asciilifeform: but yes, garbage collection will have a terrible reputation for at least another half century on account of the state-of-the-art half a century ago when john mccarthy invented it, 'stop the world'
asciilifeform: the ultimate mega-death-star reference work on the subject is 'garbage collection algorithms for automatic dynamic memory management' (r. jones & r. d. lins)
mircea_popescu: i think you see my point. well "my". porobably the oldest point in computing.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: beg to differ. there are very good algos for garbage collection with hard real-time guarantees. they are complicated and i know of no system other than common lisp where they are implemented with any quality.
mircea_popescu: i can follow that logic there. "for ten cents we can't be bothered, write your own damned card"
asciilifeform: c doesn't do the garbage collection thing at all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money. talk to a 30+ year apple user. the kind that stuck to it 'through thick and thin'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller reddit runs out of 6k a month worth of servers ? impressive if true.
mircea_popescu: they can afford a pointless "repair"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> to avoid winblows. << it could be because they don't givew so much of a shit about the money. if he/she could afford a pointless masters,
asciilifeform: which would be, on such systems, the only means for crafting a self-referential data structure
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i have no idea what that is. what's a reddit gold ? a dollar ? 2 ? 10 ?
asciilifeform: !s fork in the eye
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: ?
asciilifeform: i suspect that a sizable majority of apple users, if offered the choice between using winblows and being buggered with a thermos, complete with handle, every night,
asciilifeform: for the record, it is very important to understand why folks put up with this.
asciilifeform: 'My wife got through her Master's on a G3 iBook, and we paid to have its motherboard replaced twice for the same graphics issue, a little over a year apart. Having to pay for the first repair sucked, but sometimes those are the odds. Having to pay to repair it a second time due to identical symptoms a couple of months after the initial repair warranty was up was a kick in the teeth, and was a good indicator that there was some
asciilifeform: on the strength of a reputation that has long been entirely, thoroughly baseless.
asciilifeform: the 'secret' is that *no one* is making quality hardware. but apple is the most egregious sc4mz0r, for continuing to maintain the pretense.
asciilifeform: the screen developed a hairline crack right in front of my eyes
asciilifeform: it was precisely the gpu thing that cured me of the 'omg only apple knows how to make Quality Hardware' (tm)
asciilifeform: if it doesn't - that is to say, doesn't match fucking 1980s state of the art - it's a turd.
asciilifeform: whatdidjathink, they'd run a one-off with leaded solder just for you?
asciilifeform: and the repairs -are a scam-
asciilifeform: the apple gpu thing is a true plague
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell mike_c most qntra shares in coinbr custody was claimed and afaik sold already. And I promised 14 day delivery of the rest on request, so prolly not what you want
asciilifeform: jurov: last i checked, they are already able to buy coffee, lol
jurov: thestringpuller: MPEx may one day allow redditards to buy coffee << lawl
asciilifeform: hence the david moon anecdote.
asciilifeform: they will not get collected - ever.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reference counting... [david moon tale] ...but sure, it'd be great if it worked << there are quite a few systems which used reference-counting in garbage collector (other than in the demented c++ and apple systems, it is generally used in a garbage collector to determine 'what's garbage?'.) appears in, e.g., wolfram's 'mathematica.' down side: cannot have circular data structures.
decimation: the lawsuit alleges (based on what evidence?) that the gpus on the macbook pros would heat too rapidly for the lead-free solder, and would thermally shock it, causing cracks
thestringpuller: "/u/thestringpuller has helped pay for 216.25 minutes of reddit server time." << badges now cause reddit can't pay the bills. derped into socialism...
asciilifeform: (don't have any here, either)
decimation: speaking of which, did you see the apple macbookpro recall ascii?
asciilifeform: for the record: this is not needed on 'production' units! only for folks actively screwing with the os
asciilifeform: anyway, whoever wants to prepare conductive glue can follow simple recipe, epoxy resin and aluminum powder. heavy on the latter. but don't say i didn't warn...
asciilifeform: decimation: they were on my unit
decimation: asciilifeform: are the pogo serial port 'holes' filled with solder?
mircea_popescu: so then stop bitching lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's making a poc, for himself, as the first thing. he can solder later if he can't solder now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits... << l0l! or were you just thinking of the 'non-marginal' folks who don't 'depend on paycheques'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this theory is in fact long standing practice, it's just that the derps filling up the www with their words don't know what they don't know
decimation: re: qntra > I guess my thinking is that he is using pretty speculative thinking about the rate of dilution, who knows how management is going to act in the future
mircea_popescu: this is true but misleading : in fact you know the fiats will inflate to all shit. and you know start-ups will dilute to all shit. in absolutely no proportion to "Words added" or any other sort of metric.
asciilifeform: mod6: thanks for posting a tarball << it contains a 12MB turd (mostly nulls) that can be booted to show that netbsd boots on pogo and diddles the network. that's all
mircea_popescu: the qntra dilution argument is similar to the bitcoin inflation argument, saying something like "bitcoin is set to inflate at a fixed rate, fiat currenciesa are not"
decimation: the 'proper' solution would probably be to solder the 1mm pin headers you mention in your photos and then use a ribbon cable with pin-header plugs
asciilifeform: (and if not today then tomorrow when room temp changes)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: you want the serial.
asciilifeform: it is very spiffy but you probably don't have the required machine to connect to it
asciilifeform: jtag is a protocol for directly reading/flipping bits in the cpu, eeprom, ram.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: correct? << nononononono. 1) you want serial, not jtag 2) the jtag in my photo is wrong
mike_c: anyway, i'm a qntra fanboy for the record. g'nite all!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so I was getting beer with Pierre_Rochard the other night, and got on the topic of off "blockchain solutions" in relation to derps wanting to buy coffee on blockchain. so eventually came to realization MPEx can do what Coinbase does but better. PUSH is free of charge, so in theory persons with MPEX accounts could make payment processing network with various bank thingies. they take derps money, put in mpex, and
decimation: well, I would assume that the policy of share dilution would end at some point, and would not approach infinity
decimation: mike_c: how would you evaluate the 'worth' of a company? ben graham?
mike_c: because dilution. for the next year, massive dilution.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: it's because you are thinking of what the company is worth, not a share. For many companies this is a simple calculation. not so for qntra.
thestringpuller: "squelch the truth"
mircea_popescu: but your point seems self contradictory to me. on one hand, oh, this is irreplaceable, on the other, oh, this is not worth its market value
mike_c: it's not like the domain is worth anything. so it is unbuyable, and the market cap is not related to its worth yet.
mircea_popescu: mike_c you wouldn't need to hire them specifically, but you would need someone. and as there's very few people outside of b-a with brains working worth two shits...
mircea_popescu: there's really no logical reason to buy it unless you got a better way to run it
mike_c: it's like a very early stage startup, you really can't just buy the whole thing yet because the founders are so critical
mike_c: this is more and less true for different companies, but generally it's the ballpark.
mircea_popescu: i think you at least theoreitcally could make a buyout offer.
mike_c: in a lot of public companies the market cap is related to what you could acquire the whole company for.
mike_c: who knows. lots of straws on the camel back today.
mircea_popescu: dun mind me then, i was merely conversin'.
mircea_popescu: well, in the sense apple coudl buy russia
mike_c: obviously, since you can't buy the company for 8k.
mike_c: i see the stock price right now as one of two things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspek jurov is perhaps in the best position to write you a short of some kind.
thestringpuller: you could say the same for changetip :P
mike_c: too high as compared to the discounted future cash flow.
thestringpuller: damn. where did all these bids come from?
mircea_popescu: mike_c the 50% owner's chunk you can't acquire tho.
mike_c: plus whatever they get for being authors
mike_c: ^ that should just be what they have from being owners, no?
mircea_popescu: mike_c 158k includes whole shebang, 50% are issued, i'd guess 20-30k more likely for either cazalla or bingo
mike_c: a lot can change in a year. but i don't think there are enough shares in existence to make it worth it anyway. i mean, what, bingo maybe has 50k shares?
thestringpuller: "This brings the total shares issued to 158`788"
mike_c: I don't think we'd have the same quantity or timeframe in mind.
thestringpuller: funny what a little demand will do to the price of something
mod6: <+asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in other news, i got netbsd ramdisk to build. << great work! & thanks for posting a tarball.
decimation: unfortunately it seems that here in the us there is much less clarity about how to be 'fully legal'
adam_obrien: I don't. I have never liked cavirtex and haven't used them since there was other options
adam_obrien: Hmmm. I haven't heard that. I think they are having issues in Russia. But in Canada everything is all good :)